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Will Hewitt Make Tennis Slam History Tomorrow?

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Dick Dietrick

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Sep 11, 2004, 6:00:22 PM9/11/04
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Some small records at stake tomorrow.

* Hewitt could become part of a slam trivia question - who's the only man
to ever lose to the eventual champion of every Grand Slam in the same year?
Sounds like a weird and coincidental type of accomplishment, ie, he would
need to be in the same side of the draw of the eventual champion all the
time unless he kept making finals that year... Of course, this
accomplishment doesn't seem as strange or tricky if it happens that he lost
to the same guy in 3 of those 4 slams (Federer, Gaudio, Federer, ??
Federer??).

* Federer could be the first player to go 4-0 in his first 4 slam finals.

Should be a great match tomorrow. Hewitt is so in form right now, that he
will take the title if Roger has an off day. Hopefully, Roger will raise
his game like he has in his last 10 tournament finals, and lift the trophy.

naniwadekar

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Sep 11, 2004, 6:19:44 PM9/11/04
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"Dick Dietrick" <dikdi...@yahoo.com> wrote -

>
> * Hewitt could become part of a slam trivia question - who's the only man
> to ever lose to the eventual champion of every Grand Slam in the same
year?
>


Lendl came close to this in 1989.


>
> * Federer could be the first player to go 4-0 in his first 4 slam finals.
>

Seles was 6-0 FO 1990 to FO 1992 Slam Finals.

Hops

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Sep 11, 2004, 6:26:43 PM9/11/04
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"Dick Dietrick" <dikdi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Some small records at stake tomorrow.
>
> * Hewitt could become part of a slam trivia question - who's the only man
> to ever lose to the eventual champion of every Grand Slam in the same
year?

Would not be the first. Lendl 1983 lost to

RG QF (Noah)
W SF (McEnroe)
US F (Connors)
AO F (Wilander)

Other OE with 3 losses to eventual champ:

1975 Connors (all in finals, dnp french)
1987 Wilander
1989 Lendl
1994 T. Martin


> * Federer could be the first player to go 4-0 in his first 4 slam finals.

What about Dick Sears? : ) Open Era, he would be.


> Should be a great match tomorrow. Hewitt is so in form right now, that he
> will take the title if Roger has an off day. Hopefully, Roger will raise
> his game like he has in his last 10 tournament finals, and lift the
trophy.


I'm torn - would like to see Fed make history, but would also like to see
all the Hewitt-haters out there (you know who you are), who said he would
never win another slam (or even make SF) dine on a nice helping of crow.
Hoping for a good match - and I think it will be. Both players have already
proven they have champion hearts.

Yama

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Sep 11, 2004, 7:49:53 PM9/11/04
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"Hops" <kev8128n...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm torn - would like to see Fed make history, but would also like to see
> all the Hewitt-haters out there (you know who you are), who said he would
> never win another slam (or even make SF) dine on a nice helping of crow.
> Hoping for a good match - and I think it will be. Both players have
already
> proven they have champion hearts.

Yeah. Good thing they at least got a big matchup for mens final. This is
actually just as big (maybe even bigger) match than Fed-Roddick would have
been. (Federer-Agassi would have been even better but couldn't happen due to
draw). Federer has of course beat Hewitt three times this year already (and
fairly easily) but Hewitt has been on fire this summer and has just ripped
his way through the draw. He is back in the shape he was when he was
dominant #1 before his silly feud against ATP, and he has returned to the
place where he estabilished his elite status. So, if he wins Fed he proves
that Fed isn't quite invincible and makes it a rivalry. If he loses, there's
no doubt anymore and he becomes just another curtain jerker on Federer
Tennis Association. In historical perspective, this match is almost as
signifant as Sampras-Agassi match in 1995 Open.

I think that Fed will win, though. Hewitt will be superbly confident and
pumped, but he will lose in four, yet again.


Brissie

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Sep 11, 2004, 7:46:20 PM9/11/04
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>I'm torn - would like to see Fed make history, but would also like to see
>all the Hewitt-haters out there (you know who you are), who said he would
>never win another slam (or even make SF)

Hewitt can hardly claim having earnt his spot in the final, let along
the SF. He hasn't played anyone

Dick Dietrick

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Sep 11, 2004, 8:17:21 PM9/11/04
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"Hops" <kev8128n...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>
> "Dick Dietrick" <dikdi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns956198A89135Dd...@68.6.19.6...
>> Some small records at stake tomorrow.
>>
>> * Hewitt could become part of a slam trivia question - who's the only
>> man to ever lose to the eventual champion of every Grand Slam in the
>> same
> year?
>
> Would not be the first. Lendl 1983 lost to
>
> RG QF (Noah)
> W SF (McEnroe)
> US F (Connors)
> AO F (Wilander)
>
> Other OE with 3 losses to eventual champ:
>
> 1975 Connors (all in finals, dnp french)
> 1987 Wilander
> 1989 Lendl
> 1994 T. Martin
>

Didn't know Lendl did it already. Thanks for the correction, Hops.

Javier Gonzalez

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Sep 11, 2004, 9:00:44 PM9/11/04
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Yama <yam...@spamyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> fairly easily) but Hewitt has been on fire this summer and has just ripped
> his way through the draw. He is back in the shape he was when he was

What draw? ;)

--
Javier Gonzalez Nicolini
Ingeniero Civil en Computacion - Universidad de Chile

Whisper

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Sep 12, 2004, 12:11:24 AM9/12/04
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Dick Dietrick wrote:

> Some small records at stake tomorrow.
>
> * Hewitt could become part of a slam trivia question - who's the only man
> to ever lose to the eventual champion of every Grand Slam in the same year?


Emmo lost 3 GS finals to Laver in '62, & maybe played him in earlier rd
in the other...?

Lendl in '83 mighta done it - r/up at AO/USO, & lost to Mac in Wim semi
- did he lose to Noah at FO?


> Sounds like a weird and coincidental type of accomplishment, ie, he would
> need to be in the same side of the draw of the eventual champion all the
> time unless he kept making finals that year... Of course, this
> accomplishment doesn't seem as strange or tricky if it happens that he lost
> to the same guy in 3 of those 4 slams (Federer, Gaudio, Federer, ??
> Federer??).
>
> * Federer could be the first player to go 4-0 in his first 4 slam finals.

Ever, or open era...?

David Henry

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Sep 12, 2004, 12:17:10 AM9/12/04
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"Whisper" <beav...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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Pam Shriver said "ever" IIRC. Roger wasn't even aware and said "Thanks for
telling me, now I have more pressure."

Pam could be wrong, too.

Dave


Snapper

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Sep 12, 2004, 12:24:00 AM9/12/04
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Hewitt can hardly claim having earnt his spot in the final, let along the
SF. He hasn't played anyone

He can only play whosever on the other side of the net.

None of those "anyones" were there for him to play.

Haning said that, I hope Federer hands him his head.
>


Whisper

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Sep 12, 2004, 12:35:17 AM9/12/04
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Yama wrote:

> "Hops" <kev8128n...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vtidnWb6kLQ...@giganews.com...
>
>>I'm torn - would like to see Fed make history, but would also like to see
>>all the Hewitt-haters out there (you know who you are), who said he would
>>never win another slam (or even make SF) dine on a nice helping of crow.
>>Hoping for a good match - and I think it will be. Both players have
>
> already
>
>>proven they have champion hearts.
>
>
> Yeah. Good thing they at least got a big matchup for mens final. This is
> actually just as big (maybe even bigger) match than Fed-Roddick would have
> been.


No, Fed v Roddick woulda been more interesting - after that Wim final &
Roddick defending USO champ - tough to top that. Pity Roddick had a
brain fart...


(Federer-Agassi would have been even better but couldn't happen due to


Nope - I wouldn't have watched that.... totally predictable play....

> draw). Federer has of course beat Hewitt three times this year already (and
> fairly easily) but Hewitt has been on fire this summer and has just ripped
> his way through the draw. He is back in the shape he was when he was
> dominant #1 before his silly feud against ATP, and he has returned to the
> place where he estabilished his elite status.

Still hasn't played anyone really big, but he's whipping all the
mediocre guys so good for his confidence....

Darkfalz

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Sep 12, 2004, 1:28:42 AM9/12/04
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> * Federer could be the first player to go 4-0 in his first 4 slam finals.

Hewitt is looking to join him on 3-0 (of course, this means that Fed will go
3-1).


Darkfalz

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Sep 12, 2004, 1:38:17 AM9/12/04
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> No, Fed v Roddick woulda been more interesting - after that Wim final &
> Roddick defending USO champ - tough to top that. Pity Roddick had a brain
> fart...

Fed Roddick would have been a foregone conclusion to Federer, home crowd or
not. Knobbick just doesn't have the brain or skills to compete with a
Federer (or Hewitt for that matter).

> Still hasn't played anyone really big, but he's whipping all the mediocre
> guys so good for his confidence....

I don't think it's that fair to say that.

Haas was looking very impressive, but he demolished him. Likewise, he
domilished the guy who took out Knobbick at his own game. Hard to call them
"nobodies" just because they weren't seeded as high and haven't won any big
tournaments yet, they are hungry up and commers (well, Hass on the comeback
trail) and far from being easybeats, even if Hewitt did beat them easily.


Whisper

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Sep 12, 2004, 1:44:32 AM9/12/04
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Darkfalz wrote:

>>No, Fed v Roddick woulda been more interesting - after that Wim final &
>>Roddick defending USO champ - tough to top that. Pity Roddick had a brain
>>fart...
>
>
> Fed Roddick would have been a foregone conclusion to Federer, home crowd or
> not. Knobbick just doesn't have the brain or skills to compete with a
> Federer (or Hewitt for that matter).


Not on paper, but who knows you could be right...?


>>Still hasn't played anyone really big, but he's whipping all the mediocre
>>guys so good for his confidence....
>
>
> I don't think it's that fair to say that.
>
> Haas was looking very impressive, but he demolished him. Likewise, he


I've never rated Haas highly so wasn't overly impressed with that....


> domilished the guy who took out Knobbick at his own game. Hard to call them
> "nobodies" just because they weren't seeded as high and haven't won any big
> tournaments yet, they are hungry up and commers (well, Hass on the comeback
> trail) and far from being easybeats, even if Hewitt did beat them easily.


Still in a blue chip slam the fans'd like tough opponents in Q/f & S/f....

Darkfalz

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Sep 12, 2004, 1:54:22 AM9/12/04
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> Still in a blue chip slam the fans'd like tough opponents in Q/f & S/f....

They got some tough quarters (with bad results for them, hehe), it's just
the semis which were walkovers for Fed and Hewitt.


naniwadekar

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Sep 12, 2004, 2:24:13 AM9/12/04
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"Hops" wrote -

> >
> > who's the only man to ever lose to the eventual champion
> > of every Grand Slam in the same year?
>
> Would not be the first. Lendl 1983 lost to
>
> RG QF (Noah)
> W SF (McEnroe)
> US F (Connors)
> AO F (Wilander)
>
> Other OE with 3 losses to eventual champ:
>
> 1989 Lendl
>


From 1982 to 1990, except 1988, Lendl either won the
blue chip tournament (FO, Wim, USO) he entered or
lost only to the eventual champion.
Only exceptions are :
1984 Wimbledon - Connors
1985 W'don - Leconte

I just don't remember him losing to Svensson at 1988 FO
but records show he did. And to Becker in 1988 W.


This is mind-boggling consistency. I hated watching Lendl
but he must be given his due.

David Henry

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Sep 12, 2004, 2:26:03 AM9/12/04
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"Darkfalz" <darkfal...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hewitt defeated Haas as easily as he did because Haas still isn't mature
enough to handle adverse conditions. I was surprised at how much negative
emotion Haas showed on court that day. Everything bothered him. Hewitt,
meanwhile, just accepted the conditions and worked around them without
complaint.

As far as Hewitt's draw being easy, it wasn't. Moya had the easiest draw and
he blew it. Things could have been trickier for Hewitt had he drawn Nadal in
round 2 as Roddick did or Santoro in round 3 as Federer did.

But it's not like Hewitt had it easy with early rounds against Ferierra, who
always gives him trouble, and Arazi, who demolished him at his peak in '01.
Lopez is just simply tough to play because he's a good aggressive player.

The only truly easy matchup Hewitt had was Beck in round 4, and even Beck
could be dangerous on a good day, as he is a slasher (Beck also defeated
Henman at Queens on grass, so....).

The only person Hewitt really had to fear drawing too early was Agassi.
Nalbandian could have been tough, too, but Youhzny scraped by him. In fact,
a Hewitt - Nalbandian matchup would have been interesting, but I think Haas
would have gotten by Nalbandian, anyway.


Dave

Lindsay

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Sep 12, 2004, 2:55:30 AM9/12/04
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> From 1982 to 1990, except 1988, Lendl either won the
> blue chip tournament (FO, Wim, USO) he entered or
> lost only to the eventual champion.
> Only exceptions are :
> 1984 Wimbledon - Connors
> 1985 W'don - Leconte
>
> I just don't remember him losing to Svensson at 1988 FO
> but records show he did. And to Becker in 1988 W.
>
>
> This is mind-boggling consistency. I hated watching Lendl
> but he must be given his due.
>
> Yes, Lendl far and away the most consistent mens player of the open era.
He just didn't quite have enough weapons to consistently beat the other
great players of his era in big matches. Also, he seemed to get a bit
nervous in those big matches, he made mistakes in them that he just didn't
make when the 'bums" would come and challenge him.
>


Arnie

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Sep 12, 2004, 3:58:33 AM9/12/04
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"Brissie" <bri...@zwallet.com> wrote in message
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Didn't you predict Haas to clean up Hewitt in 3 quick sets? :P


Darkfalz

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Sep 12, 2004, 4:18:00 AM9/12/04
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> Hewitt defeated Haas as easily as he did because Haas still isn't mature
> enough to handle adverse conditions. I was surprised at how much negative
> emotion Haas showed on court that day. Everything bothered him. Hewitt,
> meanwhile, just accepted the conditions and worked around them without
> complaint.

Haas is always like that. He's worse than Safin.


Whisper

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Sep 12, 2004, 5:03:27 AM9/12/04
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David Henry wr

>
> Hewitt defeated Haas as easily as he did because Haas still isn't mature
> enough to handle adverse conditions. I was surprised at how much negative
> emotion Haas showed on court that day. Everything bothered him. Hewitt,
> meanwhile, just accepted the conditions and worked around them without
> complaint.
>
> As far as Hewitt's draw being easy, it wasn't. Moya had the easiest draw and
> he blew it. Things could have been trickier for Hewitt had he drawn Nadal in
> round 2 as Roddick did or Santoro in round 3 as Federer did.
>
> But it's not like Hewitt had it easy with early rounds against Ferierra, who
> always gives him trouble, and Arazi, who demolished him at his peak in '01.
> Lopez is just simply tough to play because he's a good aggressive player.
>
> The only truly easy matchup Hewitt had was Beck in round 4, and even Beck
> could be dangerous on a good day, as he is a slasher (Beck also defeated
> Henman at Queens on grass, so....).
>
> The only person Hewitt really had to fear drawing too early was Agassi.
> Nalbandian could have been tough, too, but Youhzny scraped by him. In fact,
> a Hewitt - Nalbandian matchup would have been interesting, but I think Haas
> would have gotten by Nalbandian, anyway.
>
>
> Dave


Anyway if Hewitt wins this will be his most impressive win. Sampras was
past it in '01, Nalbandian is irrelevant, but Fed could be a top-notch
great if he keeps going, & he's at peak.....

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