Sad: Steffi's new facelift

[Ulysses]

Doesn't even look like the same woman. Here's Andre and Steffi in
Hamburg this week for a charity event:

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Editor/Img/Tennis-Stories-img10005_668.jpg

[Ulysses]

Her real face before the unnecessary cosmetic work:

http://www.abendblatt.de/img/wirtschaft/crop105582020/8400692446-ci3x2l-h307/graf-HA-Wirtschaft-Herzogenaurach.jpg

[soccerfan777]

On Apr 25, 11:20 am, Ulysses <ulys...@mscomm.com> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 9:14 am, Ulysses <ulys...@mscomm.com> wrote:
>
> > Doesn't even look like the same woman. Here's Andre and Steffi in
> > Hamburg this week for a charity event:
>
> >http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Editor/Img/Tennis-Stories-img10005_668.jpg
>
> Her real face before the unnecessary cosmetic work:
>

> http://www.abendblatt.de/img/wirtschaft/crop105582020/8400692446-ci3x...

The baldie might have made her do it. She will never do that on her
own. Time to dump the fool.

[Ulysses]

LOL! I don't think Andre would care one way or the other. He's not had
work done on himself (yet).

[soccerfan777]

Andre would definitely care. He is still an attention whore.

[Ulysses]

I'll never argue that. His endless interviews lately about that new
weight lifting machine he's marketing with Gil Reyes are quite
nauseating. But I have always had the impression he sees Steffi with
rose-colored glasses. I can't see baldie badgering Steffi to get a
facelift. She has money, fame and a far more successful career than he
had, she would probably just tell him to go to hell. No way can he
punk her.

[TennisGuy]

This is all window-dressing!

I'm still waiting for the main event.

Their two children are getting close to debut age as pro tennis
players.
In just a few years we could be seeing super-humans taking to the
courts and blowing away all previous tennis records. :)

[Court_1]

On Apr 25, 12:52 pm, soccerfan777 <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The baldie might have made her do it. She will never do that on her
> own.

That is a dumb claim Raja. Nobody knows what Graf would or would not
do in the real world. Don't be a nut like Max and claim you know
exactly what Graf would or would not do. You DON'T know her personally.

[Court_1]

On Apr 25, 12:20 pm, Ulysses <ulys...@mscomm.com> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 9:14 am, Ulysses <ulys...@mscomm.com> wrote:
>
> > Doesn't even look like the same woman. Here's Andre and Steffi in
> > Hamburg this week for a charity event:
>
> >http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Editor/Img/Tennis-Stories-img10005_668.jpg
>
> Her real face before the unnecessary cosmetic work:
>

> http://www.abendblatt.de/img/wirtschaft/crop105582020/8400692446-ci3x...

Actually I have to say, she looks better in the first picture than she
does in the second. Nothing wrong with a little maintenance as long as
you don't go too far.

[Whisper]

Yeah she looks more feminine in 1st pic.

Maybe she's just had a bit of botox in the forehead? The rest could be
just make-up, lighter hair & few cheescakes.

[Court_1]

There is no question that she has had botox or fillers to put some
volume back into her face. It looks like she has either had specific
eye work done, where they lift the upper lids and suck the fat out of
the lower lids or a mini face lift where they concentrate on the upper
facial area and not the lower face and neck area. In any case, she
definitely looks fresher and it is not overdone which is good.

[Dave Hazelwood]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:14:16 -0700 (PDT), Ulysses <uly...@mscomm.com>
wrote:

>Doesn't even look like the same woman. Here's Andre and Steffi in
>Hamburg this week for a charity event:
>
>http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Editor/Img/Tennis-Stories-img10005_668.jpg

Looks like Hillary Graf !

[Ulysses]

On Apr 25, 8:05 pm, Dave Hazelwood <fedna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:14:16 -0700 (PDT), Ulysses <ulys...@mscomm.com>

> wrote:
>
> >Doesn't even look like the same woman. Here's Andre and Steffi in
> >Hamburg this week for a charity event:
>
> >http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Editor/Img/Tennis-Stories-img10005_668.jpg
>
> Looks like Hillary Graf !

I'm not arguing that Steffi doesn't look better facelifted than in the
semi-hideous second photo I posted of her (pre-facelift). My argument
is that she looks totally different, which isn't good. Why would
anyone want to totally alter their face that they've always had!?

[Court_1]

I don't think she has altered her face too much at all. Here are some
pics of celebs who went too far with plastic surgery:

http://famousplastic.net/category/courtney-cox/

Curtney Cox was a pretty girl what the hell was she thinking?

Or how about Meg Ryan who was cute as a button in her day:

http://starplasticsurgery.blogspot.ca/2013/01/meg-ryan-plastic-surgery-before-and.html

[Court_1]

On Apr 25, 11:47 pm, Court_1 <Olympia0...@yahoo.com> wrote:


> Curtney Cox was a pretty girl what the hell was she thinking?

Oops typo, I meant Courteney Cox not Curtney!

[Dave Hazelwood]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:28:11 -0700 (PDT), Ulysses <uly...@mscomm.com>
wrote:

i think she looks worse facelifted. like hitlery clinton wif those fat
jowles.

[Whisper]

No, she definitely looks softer, more feminine & pleasing to the eye.

You prefer the masculine look. Not surprising given your track record
with trannys.

[ahonkan]

> http://starplasticsurgery.blogspot.ca/2013/01/meg-ryan-plastic-surger...

Is it bad manners to mention Michael Jackson? His plastic
surgeries were the ultimate horror story. Courtney Cox is
practically unrecognizable & Meg Ryan probably gives MJ
tough competition for the worst cosmetic job ever!

[Dave Hazelwood]

fuck off you abo

[Iceberg]

thought it was personality that counted, not looks.

[Dave Hazelwood]

it's the mouth and the snatch actually.

[Dave Hazelwood]

dat reminds me of a old joke about what kind of woman makes the best
wife?

a deaf and dumb blind girl with no teeth and a flat head you can set
your pint of beer on!

ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[Iceberg]

hahahahhahaha!

[Whisper]

Why blind & deaf? You want her to be able to hear your instructions &
see where she's going.

[drew]

On 26 Apr, 05:34, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:

>     Is it bad manners to mention Michael Jackson? His plastic
>     surgeries were the ultimate horror story.

Jackson got what he asked for. Unfortunately you can always find a
cosmetic surgeon who
will perform procedures against his better judgement.

Courtney Cox is
>     practically unrecognizable & Meg Ryan probably gives MJ

>     tough competition for the worst cosmetic job ever!-

People must remember that there are risks associated with even minor
procedures. Actors
have it tough because their careers will end if they start looking old
or undesirable....so they
sometimes end up regretting ever having surgery when the results are
not positive.

Beauty may be only skin deep but skin itself if highly variable in
thickness and support. A surgery
that may be successful and beneficial to one person's look may end up
making another look really
strange. You can get nerve damage, scarring and infection from these
'simple' procedures. At some
point you WILL look older so you have to accept the limitations of
repeated cosmetic surgery.

Jackson wasn't comfortable in his own skin and with his own identity.
It was going to take more than
cosmetic change to fix Michael. Cosmetic surgery helps a lot of
people gain confidence and for those with
real reparable defects it can make a great positive difference.

It's best to delay cosmetic surgery if you can because when you repeat
a procedure you double the chances
for problems to occur...you reduce your chances for success
progressively. So if you can tolerate your aging,
do so, and get a face lift or whatever when you are considerably
older....by that time you might find that you don't
mind your look so much.

[pltrgyst]

It is a very old joke, and you didn't even come close to getting it right.

-- Larry

[soccerfan777]

Don't assume all women are "Captain of the Ship" like you. Steffi was
very dependent on her dad in her 20s. She used to call her dad before
buying stuff like winter jacket. Now she is dependent on Agassi to
make decisions in her life.

[soccerfan777]

She is 40 year old who played gruelling professional tennis for almost
17 years. Give her a break. Don't call her hideous.

[Ulysses]

I said the PHOTO of Steffi presented in this thread was SEMI-hideous.
I have never called HER hideous!

[Iceberg]

but Court1 is like one of those Hollywood kids, she been having
plastic surgery since she was about 15!

[Calimero]

On 25 Apr., 18:14, Ulysses <ulys...@mscomm.com> wrote:
> Doesn't even look like the same woman. Here's Andre and Steffi in
> Hamburg this week for a charity event:
>
> http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Editor/Img/Tennis-Stories-img10005_668.jpg

Courtie, why do you hate this woman so much?
What did she do to you??


Max

[Calimero]

> facial area and not the lower face and neck area. ...


LOL, you are hilarious, Ulie ...


Max

[Calimero]

On 25 Apr., 18:20, Ulysses <ulys...@mscomm.com> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 9:14 am, Ulysses <ulys...@mscomm.com> wrote:
>
> > Doesn't even look like the same woman. Here's Andre and Steffi in
> > Hamburg this week for a charity event:
>
> >http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Editor/Img/Tennis-Stories-img10005_668.jpg
>
> Her real face before the unnecessary cosmetic work:
>
> http://www.abendblatt.de/img/wirtschaft/crop105582020/8400692446-ci3x...

That's from 2010.

And here is Steffi in 2009.
http://autoimg.sport.de/themenarchiv/steffi-graf-bilder/0x0/steffi-graf-t2989.jpg

And hey, here we have Steffi in 2011.
http://www.klatsch-tratsch.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/1_Steffi_Graf_Ein_Portrait.jpg

One facelift every year, at least ... lol ...


Max

[Court_1]

Meg Ryan is not quite in MJ territory but she is edging up there.
There are a lot of actors and actresses in Hollywood who have had
terrible work done and gone way too far. Lara Flynn Boyle is another
case of a celeb who went way too far. She was such a pretty woman
before she started to have too much work on her face.

http://chatterbusy.blogspot.ca/2013/02/lara-flynn-boyle-plastic-surgery-before.html


Robert Redford is an example of an attractive guy who has had terrible
work done.

http://celebrityfacelift.blogspot.ca/2013/02/robert-redford-facelift-before-and.html

[Calimero]

> http://chatterbusy.blogspot.ca/2013/02/lara-flynn-boyle-plastic-surge...

>
> Robert Redford is an example of an attractive guy who has had terrible
> work done.
>

> http://celebrityfacelift.blogspot.ca/2013/02/robert-redford-facelift-...


There are always dickhead "plastic surgeons" who "detect" plastic
surgery everywhere to make insecure people like you think that plastic
surgery (or botox injections) is the best thing since sliced bread.
But hey, tell us a little bit more about how gay Tom Cruise is ...
lol ...


Max

[Court_1]

On Apr 26, 9:02 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:

> People must remember that there are risks associated with even minor
> procedures.  Actors
> have it tough because their careers will end if they start looking old
> or undesirable....so they
> sometimes end up regretting ever having surgery when the results are
> not positive.
>
> Beauty may be only skin deep but skin itself if highly variable in
> thickness and support.  A surgery
> that may be successful and beneficial to one person's look may end up
> making another look really
> strange.  You can get nerve damage, scarring and infection from these
> 'simple' procedures.  At some
> point you WILL look older so you have to accept the limitations of
> repeated cosmetic surgery.

Yes, the problem in Hollywood is the pressure put on actors and
actresses to look young. They are pressured by agents and heads of
studios to get procedures done, most are probably paid for by the
major studios before a movie production is started.

The problem is not that they get maintenance work done because that is
perfectly ok, the problem is that they go to the extreme and get too
much done too soon and have repeated face-lifts. One face lift done at
the appropriate age does not tend to look bad unless you have a lousy
doctor, but when you repeat the procedure too often and too quickly
that is when you start to look like Cat Woman.

Also the lip injections are a real problem and make many people look
like unnatural clowns. If these actors and actresses just started with
an eye job or partial face lift instead of a full face lift when they
are still relatively young, they would look a lot more natural and
would look better.

Jane Fonda is an example of a celeb who has had very good plastic
surgery( she has admitted having multiple procedures) and she looks
great in her mid seventies! She obviously has a great plastic surgeon
and she was careful about the look she wanted to achieve.

http://splasticsurgery.blogspot.ca/2012/11/jane-fonda-plastic-surgery-before-and.html

[Court_1]

How do you KNOW she is dependent upon Agassi to make decisions in
life? Have you met both of them and seen them behind closed doors?
Because if not, you do not know them. She must be worth about $40
million, if she has to look to Agassi for decisions in her life, I
feel sorry for her. What is the point of having money if you can't
make your own decisions? Money brings freedom. It is not like she has
to depend on Agassi financially. We don't know anybody unless we see
them constantly behind closed doors, remember that. Appearances are
deceiving.

[Court_1]

I have never had plastic surgery, not yet! But there are older people
in my life who have had some procedures, so I know a lot about the
topic.

[Court_1]

Fuck off, I have never had plastic surgery but Steffi Graf clearly has
and don't bother responding back to me, because I won't answer you
again and will go back to ignoring you. I can't stand you, you are a
true nut.

[Calimero]

lol

> and don't bother responding back to me, because I won't answer you
> again and will go back to ignoring you. I can't stand you, you are a
> true nut.

You are dumb and extremely shallow person.


Max

[Ulysses]

Thus speaketh someone whose entire life is jerking off over a
stranger.

Lovely logic!

You could drop dead tomorrow while a Blutwurst is stuck in your throat
and Steffi wouldn't know or give a tinkers damn.

Psst... get a real relationship, Max, where your GF will give you the
Heimlich if you choke on your Leberknödel Suppe.

[soccerfan777]

I agree Max is sometimes too much but he is no worse than TT and
Whisper. Max hardly posts and does not troll like TT, Icetroll, boobs
and Whisper. He doesn't resort to lies. He points out the facts. Yes
he is biased towards Graf, but not in an unhealthy way like Haze, TT,
Icetroll, boobs, Whisper, and Pelle

[guypers]

Agree with the Paki!

[Court_1]

You are wrong. Max is worse than all of those others combined with
respect to his irrational Graf obsession. There are two posters in
this group whom I can't stand. Vlado is one, he is one sick screwed up
individual with dangerous ideas and the second is Max. He is
nauseating with his Graf obsession and goes way beyond what is normal,
more so than even TT does with Nadal if you can believe that. He is
also very sexist and offensive. I feel sorry for his wife/gf. I wonder
if he lets her out of the basement from time to time?

[Calimero]

Lol, now you are answering after all!

> Lovely logic!
>
> You could drop dead tomorrow while a Blutwurst is stuck in your throat

Eww, I would never try to eat Blutwurst.

> and Steffi wouldn't know or give a tinkers damn.

No, Steffi is a nice girl, she would give a tinker's damn.

>
> Psst... get a real relationship, Max, where your GF will give you the
> Heimlich if you choke on your Leberknödel Suppe.

Lol, what would someone like YOU know about a real relationship?
Btw, the last time I ate a Leberknödelsuppe was as a kid more than 20
years ago, in Austria of course (being on a skiing vacation).

Max

[bob]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:51:50 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<Olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Apr 25, 12:20�pm, Ulysses <ulys...@mscomm.com> wrote:

>> On Apr 25, 9:14�am, Ulysses <ulys...@mscomm.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Doesn't even look like the same woman. Here's Andre and Steffi in
>> > Hamburg this week for a charity event:
>>
>> >http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Editor/Img/Tennis-Stories-img10005_668.jpg
>>

>> Her real face before the unnecessary cosmetic work:
>>
>> http://www.abendblatt.de/img/wirtschaft/crop105582020/8400692446-ci3x...
>

>Actually I have to say, she looks better in the first picture than she
>does in the second. Nothing wrong with a little maintenance as long as
>you don't go too far.

you had any? i'm thinking of doing my eyes. ;-)

bob

[bob]

>> > Heimlich if you choke on your Leberkn�del Suppe.

>>
>> I agree Max is sometimes too much but he is no worse than TT and
>> Whisper. Max hardly posts and does not troll like TT, Icetroll, boobs
>> and Whisper. He doesn't resort to lies. He points out the facts. Yes
>> he is biased towards Graf, but not in an unhealthy way like Haze, TT,
>> Icetroll, boobs, Whisper, and Pelle
>
>You are wrong. Max is worse than all of those others combined with
>respect to his irrational Graf obsession. There are two posters in
>this group whom I can't stand. Vlado is one, he is one sick screwed up
>individual with dangerous ideas and the second is Max. He is
>nauseating with his Graf obsession and goes way beyond what is normal,
>more so than even TT does with Nadal if you can believe that. He is
>also very sexist and offensive. I feel sorry for his wife/gf. I wonder
>if he lets her out of the basement from time to time?

max pissed me off last yr but i'm long over it. but raja, he just
doesn't stop! i feel bad that i'm in his head like that!

bob

[soccerfan777]

> >> > Heimlich if you choke on your Leberknödel Suppe.

>
> >> I agree Max is sometimes too much but he is no worse than TT and
> >> Whisper. Max hardly posts and does not troll like TT, Icetroll, boobs
> >> and Whisper. He doesn't resort to lies. He points out the facts. Yes
> >> he is biased towards Graf, but not in an unhealthy way like Haze, TT,
> >> Icetroll, boobs, Whisper, and Pelle
>
> >You are wrong. Max is worse than all of those others combined with
> >respect to his irrational Graf obsession. There are two posters in
> >this group whom I can't stand. Vlado is one, he is one sick screwed up
> >individual with dangerous ideas and the second is Max. He is
> >nauseating with his Graf obsession and goes way beyond what is normal,
> >more so than even TT does with Nadal if you can believe that. He is
> >also very sexist and offensive. I feel sorry for his wife/gf. I wonder
> >if he lets her out of the basement from time to time?
>
> max pissed me off last yr but i'm long over it. but raja, he just
> doesn't stop! i feel bad that i'm in his head like that!
>
> bob

I have a strong distaste for worms. And you are the filthiest kind.

[Court_1]

Nope, I have not had any plastic surgery, have not needed any yet. I
really try hard to look after my skin.

When you say you may do your eyes, do you mean upper lids or under the
eyes, or both?

[bob]

don't know, side of eyes i guess, over/under ok. started putting cream
on it a few months ago. i don't have much sun damage, grew up in the
north, but live mostly in fla for 20+ yrs.

send me a pic, let me see your sun damage, i'll assess it. ;-)

bob

[drew]

It's 'dam' ....for the record....the dam is material used to block the
flow of solder during a repair...you can only use it once so it's
useless afterwards...of course both the tinker and the dam are
obsolete...all that remains is the saying...and like most sayings,
they get bastardized...you certainly aren't the only one using 'damn'
instead of 'dam'...this just in case anybody cares... :-)

[drew]

On Apr 27, 9:43 pm, Court_1 There are two posters in

> this group whom I can't stand. Vlado is one, he is one sick screwed up
> individual with dangerous ideas and the second is Max. He is
> nauseating with his Graf obsession and goes way beyond what is normal,

How did I get off of your list?

Max is a right wing nut and a Grafanatic but beyond this he's not that
bad.

Vlado is just unhappy. He has some dangerous ideas but the danger is
mostly to his own health. He'd be quite happy exterminating people
like me for no good reason. His words should be a warning against
anybody who doubts that filling your heart with hatred is a road you
don't want to travel for very long.

Vlado is an unpaid disinfo agent. :-)

Unlike Scott....the paymaster. According to Scott, somebody is paying
almost everybody here to spread disinformation. You want to talk
about pathological mindsets? I just wanna get paid!!

[drew]

On Apr 29, 10:44 pm, bob <b...@nospam.net> wrote:

>
> >> you had any? i'm thinking of doing my eyes. ;-)
>
> >> bob

Beware of getting the surprised look. You might doubt it now but many
(even women) regret the work that they get because it removes the
character from their faces.....not all signs of age make you look bad,
just older. And older is OK.

Even if you could take a 60 year old face and convincingly turn it
into a 35 year old face you still have the rest of the body to deal
with. Something is going to give away your age.

The trick is to be a good 40, 50, or 60 year old...I'm not saying that
plastic surgery is inherently bad....but be realistic about what you
are attempting to project.

There are plenty of good looking corpses out there.
Patrick Swayze took good care of his face....I'm not blaming him for
the illness that killed him but...a little perspective is good as you
age.

[drew]

On Apr 29, 10:44 pm, bob <b...@nospam.net> wrote:

> don't know, side of eyes i guess, over/under ok. started putting cream
> on it a few months ago. i don't have much sun damage, grew up in the
> north, but live mostly in fla for 20+ yrs.

Tretinoin will reverse some sun damage. There's a lot of expensive
stuff out there that promises to do a lot but most of it is bullshit.
Above and glycolic acid will work if you live in a humid environment.
Make sure the tretinoin has sunscreen added because it will sensitize
your skin to UV....you don't want that.

Ultimately you're going to get old. When you look at pictures of
yourself twenty years hence you'll think you looked great....so don't
sweat the wrinkles, you earned them.

[Iceberg]

haven't you had one of those acid face mask things, is that what you
mean by looking after your skin?

[Iceberg]

> >> > Heimlich if you choke on your Leberknödel Suppe.

>
> >> I agree Max is sometimes too much but he is no worse than TT and
> >> Whisper. Max hardly posts and does not troll like TT, Icetroll, boobs
> >> and Whisper. He doesn't resort to lies. He points out the facts. Yes
> >> he is biased towards Graf, but not in an unhealthy way like Haze, TT,
> >> Icetroll, boobs, Whisper, and Pelle
>
> >You are wrong. Max is worse than all of those others combined with
> >respect to his irrational Graf obsession. There are two posters in
> >this group whom I can't stand. Vlado is one, he is one sick screwed up
> >individual with dangerous ideas and the second is Max. He is
> >nauseating with his Graf obsession and goes way beyond what is normal,
> >more so than even TT does with Nadal if you can believe that. He is
> >also very sexist and offensive. I feel sorry for his wife/gf. I wonder
> >if he lets her out of the basement from time to time?
>
> max pissed me off last yr but i'm long over it. but raja, he just
> doesn't stop! i feel bad that i'm in his head like that!

yes, think you've really got to Raja, guys like him from Pakistan
often have very short tempers. Think Court1 is a bit upset Max exposed
her plastic surgery addiction, we should all try to tactful.

[Dave Hazelwood]

>> >> > Heimlich if you choke on your Leberkn�del Suppe.

>>
>> >> I agree Max is sometimes too much but he is no worse than TT and
>> >> Whisper. Max hardly posts and does not troll like TT, Icetroll, boobs
>> >> and Whisper. He doesn't resort to lies. He points out the facts. Yes
>> >> he is biased towards Graf, but not in an unhealthy way like Haze, TT,
>> >> Icetroll, boobs, Whisper, and Pelle
>>
>> >You are wrong. Max is worse than all of those others combined with
>> >respect to his irrational Graf obsession. There are two posters in
>> >this group whom I can't stand. Vlado is one, he is one sick screwed up
>> >individual with dangerous ideas and the second is Max. He is
>> >nauseating with his Graf obsession and goes way beyond what is normal,
>> >more so than even TT does with Nadal if you can believe that. He is
>> >also very sexist and offensive. I feel sorry for his wife/gf. I wonder
>> >if he lets her out of the basement from time to time?
>>
>> max pissed me off last yr but i'm long over it. but raja, he just
>> doesn't stop! i feel bad that i'm in his head like that!
>
>yes, think you've really got to Raja, guys like him from Pakistan
>often have very short tempers. Think Court1 is a bit upset Max exposed
>her plastic surgery addiction, we should all try to tactful.

Raja is like Malaria. Once you get it it keeps attacking you for life.

[Whisper]

I'm lucky to have European skin & thick hair so most people think I'm a
lot younger. One woman recently was genuinely shocked I had a 22 yr old
daughter. She yelled out 'Wow!' & then covered her mouth in
embarrassment - couldn't believe it.

I have nothing against it but can't see myself ever getting anything
done, simply because I don't care what others think about me. My
daughter jokingly calls me a sociopath - at least I think she's joking?

[bob]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:19:11 -0700 (PDT), drew <dr...@technologist.com>
wrote:

>On Apr 29, 10:44 pm, bob <b...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> >> you had any? i'm thinking of doing my eyes. ;-)
>>
>> >> bob
>
>Beware of getting the surprised look. You might doubt it now but many
>(even women) regret the work that they get because it removes the
>character from their faces.....not all signs of age make you look bad,
>just older. And older is OK.

i saw an 80 yr old relative last wk who had a MAJOR facelift, and as a
middle aged woman, was attractive - now she looks like a disgraceful
clown.

i was just trying to, at 49, do the slightest skin tightening around
the side of eyes. everywhere else, skin in good shape.

>Even if you could take a 60 year old face and convincingly turn it
>into a 35 year old face you still have the rest of the body to deal
>with. Something is going to give away your age.

to be honest, from the next down i'm in excellent shape. 15% bodyfat
this wk, but think i'll be 12-13 by summer as I started hitting it
hard again last month and already dropped 2%. no aging on the
shoulders, etc...

>The trick is to be a good 40, 50, or 60 year old...I'm not saying that
>plastic surgery is inherently bad....but be realistic about what you
>are attempting to project.
>There are plenty of good looking corpses out there.
>Patrick Swayze took good care of his face....I'm not blaming him for
>the illness that killed him but...a little perspective is good as you
>age.

i was kidding about surgery, just going to try a little cream.

bob

[bob]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:24:25 -0700 (PDT), drew <dr...@technologist.com>
wrote:

thanks, i'll check that out!

bob

[bob]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:30:58 +1000, Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com>
wrote:

she's joking. 1/2 way. lol. at 45, i never thought this way. at 49, i
want to get rid of slight eye wrinkle naturally with creams.

i spend 2/3 of my life in florida, many old people, and 1/3 of my life
in the coutries largest college town where everybody in my apt cx and
neighborhood is 18-25 and they have lots of parties, etc.

20 somethings frequently come up to me, no doing of my own, and say,
'if you just got rid of the gray sideburns i'd put you at 30-35,
speaking of which, watcha doing tomorrow night?' not that it's a
habit, cause i avoid these situations, but last couple months
innocently invited to a few parties and get approached often by the
"old maids" of 28 or so.

i just do it to make my gal jealous, cause admittedly i look like her
father.

bob

[bob]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:11:06 -0700 (PDT), drew <dr...@technologist.com>
wrote:

i thought you were dr. drew.

bob

[Whisper]

Young chicks are like that. They see older guys flirting with them as
validation & love the attention, so they'll often flirt to hook you in.
It's win-win.

Unless you're extremely fat, a slob or very short most guys can pull
some impressive looking women - it's a numbers game & plenty of fish in
the sea. Most younger guys are knobs so a refined, more mature guy can
be very appealing by comparison If dorks like Stepanek & Agassi can be
considered 'hot' then practically any guy can do it.

[Whisper]

On 30/04/2013 9:01 PM, bob wrote:

Seems chicks forgive anything if you're considered 'cute' enough, even
mass murderers/terrorists;

http://www.smh.com.au/world/why-all-these-crushes-on-dzhokhar-20130430-2iq0f.html

[drew]

On 30 Apr, 06:30, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com> wrote:

> I'm lucky to have European skin & thick hair so most people think I'm a
> lot younger.

And a lot of people like to flatter.

I get told the same thing. It's nice, but consider the source. And
the next time somebody
guesses your real age plus or minus don't be surprised.

I can almost always tell a person's age within a reasonable margin
and if I'm wrong it's usually with very old, well preserved
individuals.

Very, very few people look more than 10 years younger than their
chronological age, truth be known.
Those who are fooled by a full head of hair and a relatively
unwrinkled face are often not good observers of
other indicators such as the eyes themselves, teeth, skin colour,
typical middle-age fat distribution, gait,
voice, movement, attitude.

A man who goes grey early and loses his hair can add 10 years to his
age easily.....but this same guy may
look that age for another 20 years. I have a sister who is close in
age. Some think she is my mother....but this
is more poor observational skills than anything else...of course it's
never nice to be guessed to be older than your
real age...but in many cases this is a function of weight, hair and
facial skintone...not necessarily always valid
indicators of overall health...but often, yes. A happy person
generally looks younger, too.

The worst kinds of plastic surgery for women involve the procedures
that leave the skin on the face smooth yet the neck
appears wrinkled....giving the appearance of someone who just had a
head transplant. It's difficult to tighten neck skin,
and those women who have thin skin are particularly susceptible to
turkey-neck.

A good fairground age/weight guesser can learn this stuff in a
day....and hardly ever gets fooled.

[drew]

On 30 Apr, 07:25, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com> wrote:

> Young chicks are like that.  They see older guys flirting with them as
> validation & love the attention, so they'll often flirt to hook you in.
>   It's win-win.

The more comfortable younger women are around you...the more proof
that they
consider you an old guy who isn't dangerous.

Sorry to break your bubble but I work around women....lots of
them...have done most
of my adult life.....when I was a horny young guy on the prowl they
were friendly but
reserved because they often were trying to protect relationships of
their own....unless they
wanted to fuck...then there was less talk and more action.


Most women, young and old love attention and flattery. And why not?
When you're an older
guy you can give them what they want...either way and you're not
likely to be pushy....so young
girls like that. And if you're older you probably have money...many
women LOVE older guys who
give them gifts....I won't call them whores but sex for money goes
back a long way... :-)

[Dave Hazelwood]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:25:54 +1000, Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com>

so you cheat on your wife then ? no wonder you like rafa.

[Dave Hazelwood]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 06:41:42 -0700 (PDT), drew <dr...@technologist.com>
wrote:

whisper like to think he is God's gift to women but his wife thinks
otherwise (tic).

[drew]

On 30 Apr, 10:03, Dave Hazelwood <fedna...@gmail.com> wrote:

> whisper like to think he is God's gift to women but his wife thinks
> otherwise

People in general like to be flattered. It's the cheapest
psychological trick you
can use and it usually works. If you want something from
somebody....flatter them.

Maybe it's phoney but as long as you're asking for things that you
should be able to get
WITHOUT flattery, just consider it a form of insurance. :-)

[bob]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:25:54 +1000, Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com>

Win-Win!
friggin tier I post if i ever saw it.
that's EXACTLY what's going on.
been going on since new yr!
and i'm a "numbers guy" by nature. lmao.

my trick (no kidding, serious) is to throw a couple cultural phrases
like "wee man" and "yeehooo" (thanks felangey, i owe ya!).....

bob

[bob]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 06:54:01 -0700 (PDT), drew <dr...@technologist.com>
wrote:

>On 30 Apr, 07:25, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Young chicks are like that. �They see older guys flirting with them as
>> validation & love the attention, so they'll often flirt to hook you in.
>> � It's win-win.
>
>The more comfortable younger women are around you...the more proof
>that they
>consider you an old guy who isn't dangerous.

what bout girls in their 20s who ask you, almost forcibly, to have sex
with them? just friendly?

>Sorry to break your bubble but I work around women....lots of
>them...have done most
>of my adult life.....when I was a horny young guy on the prowl they
>were friendly but
>reserved because they often were trying to protect relationships of
>their own....unless they
>wanted to fuck...then there was less talk and more action.
>Most women, young and old love attention and flattery. And why not?
>When you're an older
>guy you can give them what they want...either way and you're not
>likely to be pushy....so young
>girls like that. And if you're older you probably have money...many
>women LOVE older guys who
>give them gifts....I won't c

bob

[bob]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 06:41:42 -0700 (PDT), drew <dr...@technologist.com>
wrote:

i ought post a pic. you first drew. i'll guess your age. but you
already know mine.

bob

[Calimero]

On 30 Apr., 12:51, bob <b...@nospam.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:19:11 -0700 (PDT), drew <d...@technologist.com>

Let me guess - you are American?


Max

[drew]

On 30 Apr, 13:03, bob <b...@nospam.net> wrote:

> what bout girls in their 20s who ask you, almost forcibly, to have sex
> with them? just friendly?

Just your imagination, I reckon.

[drew]

On 30 Apr, 13:05, bob <b...@nospam.net> wrote:

> i ought post a pic. you first drew. i'll guess your age. but you
> already know mine.

I'd have to see you in person.....but really, who cares? I can count
the
number of people who have really surprised me by looking younger than
their
real age on the fingers of one hand.

If you are considering having your eyes fixed, then clearly you can't
look THAT young.

Most frequent are anecdotes about people who look half their
age...it's almost always bullshit.

[Whisper]

On 1/05/2013 3:03 AM, bob wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 06:54:01 -0700 (PDT), drew <dr...@technologist.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 30 Apr, 07:25, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Young chicks are like that. They see older guys flirting with them as
>>> validation & love the attention, so they'll often flirt to hook you in.
>>> It's win-win.
>>
>> The more comfortable younger women are around you...the more proof
>> that they
>> consider you an old guy who isn't dangerous.
>
> what bout girls in their 20s who ask you, almost forcibly, to have sex
> with them? just friendly?
>

Yeah, I get what Drew's saying, but there are also a lot of young women
a lot more overt/blatant that make it pretty obvious they'd like to take
things further - especially after a few drinks.

[Iceberg]

On Apr 30, 6:02 pm, bob <b...@nospam.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:25:54 +1000, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 30/04/2013 9:01 PM, bob wrote:

> >> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:30:58 +1000, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com>

brilliant! must try that out next time some hot chick approaches me.

[Ulysses]

Icey, put modesty aside for once in your life. We all know that hot
babes approach you every few seconds when you're in public. You should
write a book. I mean it!

[bob]

DAMN RIGHT! :-)

bob

[bob]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:12:45 -0700 (PDT), drew <dr...@technologist.com>
wrote:

i'd sleep better if it were just my imagination.

bob

[bob]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:18:51 -0700 (PDT), drew <dr...@technologist.com>
wrote:

>On 30 Apr, 13:05, bob <b...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> i ought post a pic. you first drew. i'll guess your age. but you
>> already know mine.
>
>I'd have to see you in person.....but really, who cares? I can count
>the
>number of people who have really surprised me by looking younger than
>their
>real age on the fingers of one hand.

i don't look younger than my age at all, IMO.

my gal though looks far younger in both pics and in person, and gets
told so frequently and i've seen guys 10, even 20 yrs her jr., hit on
her and give me dirty looks. when i introduced her to family few yrs
back, they thought i was with someone 15yrs younger than myself. so i
guess it can happen. course she never goes in the sun and wears creams
since she was 15.

>If you are considering having your eyes fixed, then clearly you can't
>look THAT young.

i don't - have grayhair too. never said i looked young drew!!

>Most frequent are anecdotes about people who look half their
>age...it's almost always bullshit.

i look about my age IMO, but admittedly, am in pretty decent shape for
my age.

bob

[Dave Hazelwood]

>Icey, put modesty aside for once in your life. We all know that hot
>babes approach you every few seconds when you're in public. You should
>write a book. I mean it!

As for me, i ususlly disguise myself in public to avoid them.

[Whisper]

On 30/04/2013 11:41 PM, drew wrote:
> On 30 Apr, 06:30, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm lucky to have European skin & thick hair so most people think I'm a
>> lot younger.
>
> And a lot of people like to flatter.
>
> I get told the same thing. It's nice, but consider the source. And
> the next time somebody
> guesses your real age plus or minus don't be surprised.
>
> I can almost always tell a person's age within a reasonable margin
> and if I'm wrong it's usually with very old, well preserved
> individuals.
>
> Very, very few people look more than 10 years younger than their
> chronological age, truth be known.

Probably, but I have seen a few.

Have a look at this clip of the Pierces performing on Leno;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F24i6kee42s


The blonde sister is 36, but when I saw this I thought she was about 16.
Blew me away when I googled her details. This is a crappy tv version
so you may not appreciate how young she looks in HD (clip seems to have
been banned from most countries for some weird reason?). I have the HD
version on my HD & she really looks like a teen.

[Whisper]

On 30/04/2013 11:41 PM, drew wrote:

> On 30 Apr, 06:30, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com> wrote:
>
> A man who goes grey early and loses his hair can add 10 years to his
> age easily.....

If you're in your 20's sure.

>but this same guy may
> look that age for another 20 years.

Yeah I have a friend who looked 38 when he was 22 (bald etc). Good news
for him he still looks the same in photos taken 20 yrs later while most
others change dramatically.

> I have a sister who is close in
> age. Some think she is my mother....but this
> is more poor observational skills than anything else...of course it's
> never nice to be guessed to be older than your
> real age...but in many cases this is a function of weight, hair and
> facial skintone...not necessarily always valid
> indicators of overall health...but often, yes. A happy person
> generally looks younger, too.

I guess if you're really fishing for compliments just tell people you're
20 yrs older. If you're 45 tell everyone you're 65 & watch all the
compliments flow. Unless of course no one blinks - ouch : )

>
> The worst kinds of plastic surgery for women involve the procedures
> that leave the skin on the face smooth yet the neck
> appears wrinkled....giving the appearance of someone who just had a
> head transplant. It's difficult to tighten neck skin,
> and those women who have thin skin are particularly susceptible to
> turkey-neck.
>
> A good fairground age/weight guesser can learn this stuff in a
> day....and hardly ever gets fooled.
>
>

Yeah look I don't think anyone should take all this stuff seriously. If
women want to look younger they're better off carrying a few extra
pounds as they age to soften out the wrinkles.

[Whisper]

Mature guys appreciate youth/beauty more than young guys, & young chicks
pick up on this & want even more attention. Younger guys just want to
get their rocks off & move on. That's why you see a lot of successful
older guy/young chick relationships - both parties getting a lot of what
they want.

[Dave Hazelwood]

On Wed, 01 May 2013 19:59:11 +1000, Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com>
wrote:

sure:

young chick gets wined and dined and lots of $$$$ showered upon her
while the old guy gets some great extramarital safe sex at a price he
can afford.

that's true capitalism for you !

you don't honestly think she loves him do you ?

you don't honestly think he loves her either do you ?

let's face it. young guys are POOR. Old guys are RICH.

i mean "relatively".

and, young girls want to be treated like the princess they think they
are. most young guys can not spend lavishly on them like an older guy
can so ...

go to sure

[bob]

i'll have to keep this paragraph, lol.

>that's true capitalism for you !
>you don't honestly think she loves him do you ?
>you don't honestly think he loves her either do you ?
>let's face it. young guys are POOR. Old guys are RICH.
>i mean "relatively".
>and, young girls want to be treated like the princess they think they
>are. most young guys can not spend lavishly on them like an older guy
>can so ...
>go to sure

i think younger men (women) can actually love older women (men) so
long as the older one is still attractive and not hugely older (for
ex, 70-30 ain't happening, but maybe 50-30). if you have
young/attractive with old/unattractive, it's a money issue likely.

and it goes both ways, men/women or women/men.

bob

[bob]

and my boots can use a cleanin btw!!

bob

[Dave Hazelwood]

50-30 can happen sure but as the age difference increases the
"suspicion" also increases as to "why" they are attracted to one
another.

not to say it is inpossible. look at that newscorp guy who was like
70+ when he met his wife 30+. they are still together and have kids
and i think she does love him but in the beginning i thought she was
only a gold digger. Wendy is her name.

well maybe she is just a LOYAL gold digger but that might be ok
because she still loved the guy even if it was for his wealth and
stuck by him through his darkest days (the UK news scandal).

Loyalty in fact is EVERYTHING !!!

[Whisper]

That's part of it, but mature guys have a few more tricks up their
sleeves & know how to make the girls feel special. Younger guys tend to
be dumb jocks.

[Whisper]

I remember Mick Jagger being interviewed on 60 minutes & he was asked if
he ever dated women older than him, given his rep for dating young
women. He said 'Sure'.

Next question 'Recently?'. He smiled & said 'er, no.'.

[drew]

On 1 May, 05:59, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com> wrote:


> Mature guys appreciate youth/beauty more than young guys,

I don't know about youth....when I was in my early twenties I was
grossed out by the
idea of sex with a woman over 40. I remember a couple of these
cougars making overtures
and me making lame excuses as the callow youth I was; my loss.

. At that time, an older woman for me was 28...

& young chicks
> pick up on this & want even more attention.

I certainly appreciate beauty more. I can look at a woman's hips and
ass and her hair, her skin and appreciate
the beauty without having the immediate strong desire to jump her and
fuck the daylights out of her. This is a relief from
the libido of youth...overpowering desire to fuck all of the time.
And of course women like this for the most part because
by and large they want a relaxed approach to the mating ritual, not
Boris Becker style, fuck the waitress in a closet...
although I've met enough women who are as randy as men and equally
aggressive.

 Younger guys just want to
> get their rocks off & move on.

I was unnaturally sentimental as a young man. I truly liked the women
I had sex with almost all of the time. I DEFINITELY wanted to
get my rocks off...but I liked to think that a follow up visit would
be mutually beneficial.

 That's why you see a lot of successful
> older guy/young chick relationships - both parties getting a lot of what

> they want.-

Well, I can say that as a young man without great financial resources,
I resented these old bastards with
young women. If I went to a party where there was an old prof. with
a young wife, I'd go out of my way to
try to make out with her just to spite the old fucker.

If that happens to me now....well, karma I guess...

[drew]

On 1 May, 06:39, Dave Hazelwood <fedna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> sure:
>
> young chick gets wined and dined and lots of $$$$ showered upon her
> while the old guy gets some great extramarital safe sex at a price he
> can afford.
>
> that's true capitalism for you !

Somewhat a perversion of nature, no?

>
> you don't honestly think she loves him do you ?

LOVE?? Certainly not in the way most of us dream of being loved. She
loves the
things he brings to her. Perhaps she loves the attention he showers
upon her. But she
would prefer a young, handsome prince with money.

It's like the joke where the woman says "I want a man with lots of
money, handsome, sensitive,
with a good sense of humour, who makes me happy and fulfilled."
Guy in bar overhears and says, "Lady, what you really want is a new
TV."
Or another guy, "Lady, if you find a guy like that, I'LL fucking marry
him."

> you don't honestly think he loves her either do you ?

He loves (craves...needs for his ego) the fantasy that he can still
attract a young woman
with his physical charms.....it's got nothing to do with HER
personally.

>
> let's face it. young guys are POOR. Old guys are RICH.
>
> i mean "relatively".
>
> and, young girls want to be treated like the princess they think they
> are. most young guys can not spend lavishly on them like an older guy
> can so ...

Credit is cheap these days, Dave....so the young guy can fake it for a
while.

I knew this fat fuck, young guy. He didn't have much. Not a good
job, not much money. He
met this beautiful stripper.....I saw her so I know...and the guy was
so captivated he got her to
move in with him....lasted about a month apparently. Not only had she
cleaned him out during the
month...he used up all the money he had....she cleaned out his
apartment...took fucking everything.
And he laughed about it. And I played tennis with another guy who
made a similar mistake only this
silly sod actually had money....stupid cunt married this stripper and
of course it went badly....she took
him to the cleaners when they split.

He told me, "Most expensive piece of tail I ever had....but it was
worth it."

I don't know about that.....

[bob]

On Wed, 01 May 2013 19:41:10 +0800, Dave Hazelwood

Wendy Deng and Murdoch isn't exactly what I had in mind..i've seen
some very hot, say 50yr old women, in the gym, and guys 30 wouldn't
have a problem. but 20yr either direction is, IMO, about as far as it
can go.

bob

[bob]

this is exactly true. and this is really, the pt in a nutshell. but by
older, huge differences and the obvious lack of attraction would kill
it, but reasonable ones, those tricks.....

> Younger guys tend to
>be dumb jocks.

bob

[drew]

On 1 May, 13:46, bob <b...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
> Wendy Deng and Murdoch isn't exactly what I had in mind..i've seen
> some very hot, say 50yr old women, in the gym, and guys 30 wouldn't
> have a problem. but 20yr either direction is, IMO, about as far as it
> can go.

I'm not quite 20 years older than my wife....but it's close.

[felangey]

>
> I'm not quite 20 years older than my wife....but it's close.

....well played!

[bob]

On Wed, 1 May 2013 11:20:04 -0700 (PDT), drew <dr...@technologist.com>
wrote:

then like i said, i'd say you're about at the limit.

bob

[Whisper]

On 1/05/2013 11:37 PM, drew wrote:
> On 1 May, 05:59, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Mature guys appreciate youth/beauty more than young guys,
>
> I don't know about youth....when I was in my early twenties I was
> grossed out by the
> idea of sex with a woman over 40. I remember a couple of these
> cougars making overtures
> and me making lame excuses as the callow youth I was; my loss.
>
> . At that time, an older woman for me was 28...
>
>

Me too. I remember being 19 & these foxy 'older' women (26, 28 lol)
winking & smiling at me in meetings. I wasn't grossed out as they were
quite attractive, but slightly intimidated at their confidence.

[Whisper]

Yep, & she'll be getting pretty horny & start looking around for younger
stuff.