Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
Roberts
players play for quite intense stretches, but have the opportunity to
sit down between games, but footballers also get the opporunity to rest
when the ball is not in particular areas of the pitch e.g. defenders
will be relatively still when the ball is up the other end of the
field, in attack.
Both athletes tend to do quite a lot of weight training, although it is
probably easier for footballers to conduct fitness programmes than
tennis players, due to more time off between matches.
Tennis players play in very hot conditions, whereas footballers have
the luxury of playing on cooler conditions, and even in very cold
temperatures, the body tends to reach a natural ambience.
I really can't decide between the two.
Sakari Lund
>Tennis players play in very hot conditions, whereas footballers have
>the luxury of playing on cooler conditions, and even in very cold
>temperatures
How is that? Football can be played in almost any kind of conditions,
from very hot, to pretty cold. In tennis the variety is not that big,
but it is actually quite rare when they have to play in very hot
conditions.
Roberts
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On 26 Apr 2005 03:58:42 -0700, "Roberts" <artsm...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> >Tennis players play in very hot conditions, whereas footballers have
> >the luxury of playing on cooler conditions, and even in very cold
> >temperatures
>
> How is that? Football can be played in almost any kind of conditions,
> from very hot, to pretty cold.
Sorry, I should have been more specific- I meant that in Europe anyway,
soccer seasons start in August/September and end in May/June, so the
bulk of the matches are played in cool conditions.
>In tennis the variety is not that big,
> but it is actually quite rare when they have to play in very hot
> conditions.
Not true, the AO and the USO (and also the N American summer HC season)
can be very hot and so can some of the European clay events when the
sun is shining. There have also been temperatures as high as 30C or
more at Wimbledon, although this doesn't happen very often.
Pedro Dias
"Roberts" <artsm...@mail.com> wrote in message
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greater fitness requirements for recreational play. In terms of producing
fitness, tennis is actually quite poor. In actual practice, Borg was one of
the fittest human beings ever, with a resting heart rate of 26; Miguel
Indurain is the only other person I've read of with comparable numbers. On
the other hand, I would expect the average professional fottballer to be
fitter, at least in terms of cardiovascular fitness.
So take your pick.
nemanja
Roberts wrote:
> I'm into both sports and have thought about this quite a lot. Tennis
> players play for quite intense stretches, but have the opportunity to
> sit down between games, but footballers also get the opporunity to
rest
> when the ball is not in particular areas of the pitch e.g. defenders
> will be relatively still when the ball is up the other end of the
> field, in attack.
<snip>
> I really can't decide between the two.
I think it's fundamentally impossible to compare a team sport to an
individual one. These happen to be the two sports I play, so I am
speaking from personal experience, though obviously non-professional.
A soccer player, no matter how skilled, plays a role - defender,
midfield, whatever, so he is usually only proficient at one particular
aspect of the game. Wayne Rooney is extremely fast, but he is not
nimble on his feet and doesn't "see" the game the way Arjen Robben
does. Nor does he need to, he is playing his striker role and does his
job.
A tennis player, on the other hand, has to worry about *every* aspect.
Pete Sampras might have a better forehand than Stefan Edberg, but they
both need to have a forehand, and be able to hit it reasonably well in
order to succeed.
In any case they are both sports, not sheer fitness competitions. Both
sports have had specimens like Maradona and Hingis, considered quite
far along on the unfit scale for a professional athlete, who were
wildly successful.
Nemanja
robins...@gmail.com
Clay court tennis would be at the top of the list, grass court tennis
on the bottom.
Raja
This is a no brainer. Soccer is a much more superior game to tennis and
boast superior athletes. In tennis we have fatsos like Kim Clijsters
and Serena Williams reaching No.1. In soccer, hell no.
dennis smythe
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> Tennis depends massively on the surface.
> Clay court tennis would be at the top of the list, grass court tennis
> on the bottom.
Why? You need far more power to be successful on grass than clay plus you
are playing twice as fast. The strongest, most powerful, fittest tennis
players have always been more dominant on grass than any other surface
including the Williams sisters, Graf and half-man Martina Navratilova.
ag
having packed a few pounds like Kim and Serena, you can do leg splits on the
hardcourts (a la Kim) and you can play a 3-setter of intense, powerful,
mind-boggling hitting tennis (a la Serena against Sharapova).
I feel privileged to have you in our newsgroup, sir, and may I say I look
forward to your next crap --- er --- pearls of wisdom!
AG
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christ...@hotmail.com
> This is a no brainer. Soccer is a much more superior game to tennis
and
> boast superior athletes. In tennis we have fatsos like Kim Clijsters
> and Serena Williams reaching No.1. In soccer, hell no.
Ronaldo? Maradona? Jan Mölby?
Benny
> From : dennis smythe <link...@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk>
>Why? You need far more power to be successful on grass than clay plus you
>are playing twice as fast. The strongest, most powerful, fittest tennis
>players have always been more dominant on grass than any other surface
>including the Williams sisters, Graf and half-man Martina Navratilova.
Clearly you don't watch much Tennis. Clay is slower therefore players
don't get cheap points off their serves and the rallies last much, much
longer than they do on grass or any other surface. Sampras was nowhere
near as fit as Muster or Guga. As for the Penis sisters they have only
made the French Open final once, against each other in 2002 while they
have made 7 Wimbledon finals combined. On clay their big serves and wild
groundstrokes aren't as effective. Two players who suffer from as many
muscles injuries as they do clearly aren't fit (and are on the gas).
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Roberts
Don't pay any attention to Raja's comments- he is considered a nuisance
on this tennis ng.
Roberts
the legs like in football- tennis players also put a tremendous amount
of pressure on the upper body, especially the shoulders, and the wrists
and arms get tested a lot also. This exertion of the upper body doesn't
happen in soccer, excpet when they are heading the ball.
I think footballers need to be strong in the sense of withstanding
physical challenges from other players, whereas tennis players need to
be strong in order to help prevent injury and to hit the ball harder.
Scott
is in contrast to sports like soccer which are aerobic.
In tennis, players normally breathe in as the opponent hits the ball. Then
they move to hit it back. Just before impact with the ball tennis players
breathe out.
The result is tennis players are literally playing breathless, and making
very quick stop-starts throughout. Imagine breathing in and then sprinting
10-15 feet over and over again until you've reached a mile. That's what a
long match feels like.
The physical demands on the tennis player are much different than the soccer
player. It is hard to compare the two.
raj_k...@hotmail.com
that's true for the serve as well as for ground strokes. You do not
need to be very fit to do so when the racket is doing most of the work
for you. I am sure plenty here in RST can reach 100 mph on their
serve. The pros differ in that they reach the 120-140 mph range and
they can do so consistently with very few unforced errors. If you
serve + volley on a regular basis like Rafter or Edberg you need to be
fitter and quicker, but very few pros do that today even on grass. So
I would agree with robinson that clay court tennis demands the greatest
fitness, and grass court tennis the least.
Google Beta User
Raja
er no. Navratilova won Wim when she was fat. She could not win FO till
she started training and became slimmer.
Javier Gonzalez
> This is a no brainer. Soccer is a much more superior game to tennis and
> boast superior athletes. In tennis we have fatsos like Kim Clijsters
> and Serena Williams reaching No.1. In soccer, hell no.
In soccer you have to be incredibly talented, and not even then...
Maradona pulled it off... barely, and he was a lot better when he was
fit (compare Maradona from Mexico '86 to Maradona in Italy '90)
--
Javier Gonzalez Nicolini
Ingeniero Civil en Computacion - Universidad de Chile
Whisper
>>Subject : Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
>>From : dennis smythe <link...@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk>
>
>
>>Why? You need far more power to be successful on grass than clay plus you
>>are playing twice as fast. The strongest, most powerful, fittest tennis
>>players have always been more dominant on grass than any other surface
>>including the Williams sisters, Graf and half-man Martina Navratilova.
>
>
> Clearly you don't watch much Tennis. Clay is slower therefore players
> don't get cheap points off their serves
'Cheap'? These are the talented shots in tennis. What's cheap is the
slow clay allowing ordinary players with minimal talent chance to
compete with superstars....
Gordon Cameron
Whisper. It just means that a player with a big serve can usually get
a couple of points per service game without exerting himself
physically, and without confronting the more precarious odds of an
extended rally.
There's nothing "wrong" with getting cheap points -- any tennis player
worth his salt would logically want to get as many as he possibly can.
And obviously it requires X number of hours' practice to be able to
secure those "cheap" points in a match. I don't think anyone disputes
that -- anyone sensible, anyway.
When I watched the 1981 Wimbledon semi between Connors and Borg I noted
one important difference between the two players -- Connors, while
playing like a demon from the baseline, was getting almost no "cheap"
points off his serve, whereas Borg was getting plenty. That might have
made the difference. And credit goes to Borg, of course, for having
developed a stronger serve in the first place.
Benny
>'Cheap'? These are the talented shots in tennis. What's cheap is the
>slow clay allowing ordinary players with minimal talent chance to
>compete with superstars....
Ah you must be the tennis group's resident idiot.
I Saved the Queen
STFU Robbie the Erbert aka Robert Moir
Raja
> > Subject : Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
> > From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>
> >'Cheap'? These are the talented shots in tennis. What's cheap is
the
> >slow clay allowing ordinary players with minimal talent chance to
> >compete with superstars....
>
> Ah you must be the tennis group's resident idiot.
He is also gay and strongly attracted to Sampras. And the reason he
curses clay is because Sampras never won French Open and was a clay
court dummy.
Anway, soccer Rulez. I would take football (soccer to dumbos) over
tennis any time of the day.
Roberts
You're getting him confused with Raja.
Roberts
LOL, on the soccer NG I get accused of being Robert Moir and on the
tennis NG I get accused of being Stephen Jaros.
Why don't both these accusers fuck off!! I am not Robert Moir and I
have no interest in Yugoslavian politics, although I am an Arsenal fan.
Robert is quite a popular name.
Get a clue!
wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
pedr...@snip.net (Pedro Dias) wrote:
> Borg was one of
> the fittest human beings ever, with a resting heart rate of 26;
35 is the usual figure quoted, actually.
wg
Sakari Lund
>>In tennis the variety is not that big,
>> but it is actually quite rare when they have to play in very hot
>> conditions.
>
>Not true, the AO and the USO (and also the N American summer HC season)
>can be very hot and so can some of the European clay events when the
>sun is shining. There have also been temperatures as high as 30C or
>more at Wimbledon, although this doesn't happen very often.
At AO it can be hot, although when I was there last year, it wasn't
very hot. At US HC summer season it can be hot, I am not sure is it
always so. At European clay events, it is usually not hot at all. I
remember watching Sampras and Medvedev in Hamburg about 10 years ago
playing with long pants, it was 10 degrees max. At FO it is quite
chilly often. At Wimbledon it is raining and not too warm. And don't
forget that a siginificant number of events is played indoors.
gp calliauw
> 'Cheap'? These are the talented shots in tennis. What's cheap is
> the
> slow clay allowing ordinary players with minimal talent chance to
> compete with superstars....
Lol...
I Will Save The Queen
>
> I Saved the Queen wrote:
> > "Roberts" <artsm...@mail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1114537461....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > > Another imporant point to add is that- as well as putting pressure
> on
> > > the legs like in football- tennis players also put a tremendous
> amount
> > > of pressure on the upper body, especially the shoulders, and the
> wrists
> > > and arms get tested a lot also. This exertion of the upper body
> doesn't
> > > happen in soccer, excpet when they are heading the ball.
> > >
> > > I think footballers need to be strong in the sense of withstanding
> > > physical challenges from other players, whereas tennis players need
> to
> > > be strong in order to help prevent injury and to hit the ball
> harder.
> >
> > STFU Robbie the Erbert aka Robert Moir
>
> LOL, on the soccer NG I get accused of being Robert Moir and on the
> tennis NG I get accused of being Stephen Jaros.
Robert Moir aka Robbie the Erbert has many sock puppets, of which you are
one of them. I don't know about Stephen Jaros, but it wouldn't be hard to
figure out. It fit's nicely within the Robert Moir model however. You have a
history of creating sock puppets to create the illusion of solidarity.
You have way too much time on your hands Robert Moir. Stop staring at the
computer and go down to the gym at Luton, where you are the head Security
Expert.
>Robert is quite a popular name
LOL, Robbie and his Robert Moir account both made the same assumption.
Roberts
You really are a silly cunt: I am not Robert Moir and I don't know who
he is. HONEST TRUTH (although I know you won't believe me): I started
posting in the soccer NG and seem to have got caught up in this rather
one-sided war that you have against this Moir person, just because I
have a similar name.
Don't you think that it is a bit too much for this Moir person to know
about tennis, soccer and Yugoslavian politics?
Now, just leave me alone you fucking cunt.
bob
"Sakari Lund" <sakar...@welho.com> wrote in message
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> On 26 Apr 2005 03:58:42 -0700, "Roberts" <artsm...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>>Tennis players play in very hot conditions, whereas footballers have
>>the luxury of playing on cooler conditions, and even in very cold
>>temperatures
>
> from very hot, to pretty cold. In tennis the variety is not that big,
> but it is actually quite rare when they have to play in very hot
> conditions.
? i don't think there are any european countries minus greece that play
soccer in temps/humidity anywhere near HC season in usa during summer..
bob
Benny
>You're getting him confused with Raja.
No, I'm familiar with Whisper the ape lover from years back.
Hops
"I Will Save The Queen" <godhassav...@buckingham.palace.com> wrote in
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>
> "Roberts" <artsm...@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:1114552712....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> LOL, on the soccer NG I get accused of being Robert Moir and on the
>> tennis NG I get accused of being Stephen Jaros.
>
> Robert Moir aka Robbie the Erbert has many sock puppets, of which you are
> one of them. I don't know about Stephen Jaros,
is that even possible? I thought Jaros was known to entire sports usenet.
Pedro Dias
<wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message
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obviously I misremembered. Still, not shabby, given that tennis isn't one of
the endurance sports that usually produce that type of cardiovascular
fitness.
Whisper
That's correct. I see the low skill dirtballers winning all the cheap
points - ie points where they bring no great skill to the table, just
stamina & 1-dimensional groundies... tennis fans want to see 'tennis',
not a guy running around for hrs like an idiot.
Roberts
Exactly. And the AO is very hot also- I don't know why Sakari is trying
to deny the undeniable.
Soccer seasons in Europe are played between months when the weather is
relatively cool (or at least tolerable), and Greece is probably the
only exception.
dennis smythe
"Benny" <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote in message
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>> Subject : Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
>
>>Why? You need far more power to be successful on grass than clay plus you
>>are playing twice as fast. The strongest, most powerful, fittest tennis
>>players have always been more dominant on grass than any other surface
>>including the Williams sisters, Graf and half-man Martina Navratilova.
>
> Clearly you don't watch much Tennis. Clay is slower therefore players
...get 15 minutes rest between each stroke of the ball while grass champions
have far greater power and play at a far faster pace which is a necessity to
win on grass today.
dennis smythe
"Gordon Cameron" <gcam...@neteze.com> wrote in message
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>I don't think the term "cheap points" is meant as a value judgment,
> Whisper. It just means that a player with a big serve can usually get
> a couple of points per service game without exerting himself
> physically, and without confronting the more precarious odds of an
> extended rally.
How can you hit a ball at 150mph precisely between 4 lines without any
physical effort? Long slow rallys require minimum fitness since you get 15
minutes rest between each strike of the ball. It's much harder to play
sport with skill at a fast pace. Clay players generally don't have the
power or skillset to compete for the number 1 spot in tennis whereas you
would expect expect the best grass players to also win the other 2 majors,
the US Open and Australian Open.
Whisper
> <wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:n7mdnUBY-vF...@pipex.net...
>
>>In article <6fa02$426e4b92$d1cc7975$66...@snip.allthenewsgroups.com>,
>>pedr...@snip.net (Pedro Dias) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Borg was one of
>>>the fittest human beings ever, with a resting heart rate of 26;
>>
>>35 is the usual figure quoted, actually.
>>
>
> You're right. I thought he was right there with Indurain, who had a 28, but
> obviously I misremembered.
You mean you were 'wrong'.....
Are you the Fonz...?
Benny
> From : dennis smythe <link...@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk>
>...get 15 minutes rest between each stroke of the ball while grass champions
>have far greater power and play at a far faster pace which is a necessity to
>win on grass today.
The rallies are longer so how do they get more rest between strokes?
As clay is slower players need to strike the ball that much harder, run
that much longer to make winners. Which grass champions have more power?
Federer? Safin and Nalbandian arguably have more powerful groundstrokes.
Try watching a clay court tournament and stop basing your silly claim on
2 weeks of Wimbledon.
Benny
>That's correct. I see the low skill dirtballers winning all the cheap
>points - ie points where they bring no great skill to the table, just
>stamina & 1-dimensional groundies... tennis fans want to see 'tennis',
>not a guy running around for hrs like an idiot.
Genuine Tennis fans appreciate groundstrokes.
Raja
Benny, you are destroying whatever little reputation Whisper had.
Bravo! We need to borrow you from rss. rst badly needs you.
Whisper
Within reason, yes.
Whisper
I kicked his sorry arse out of here yrs ago. The pain must be wearing off.
Hang on I'll get my steel-capped boots....
ruud
wrote:
>> Genuine Tennis fans appreciate groundstrokes.
Actually genuine tennis fans appreciate players that have all the
shots. One-dimensional tennis (either serve/volley or endless
groundstrokes) is a yawn. That's why the Australian Open is so good to
watch. Anyone can do well if they have a range of shots and can adjust
their tactics to suit their opponent.
Does anyone think the winner of the French Open won't be a Spaniard or
an Argentinian? Yawn.
Benny
>I kicked his sorry arse out of here yrs ago. The pain must be wearing off.
>
>Hang on I'll get my steel-capped boots....
Nice attempt at revisionist history. You're still bitter after all
those years. I wasn't sure it was you at first but the ignorant comments
you posted here made the penny drop and showcase your boundless
stupidity to a wider audience. Your criticism of clay courters is solely
down to the fact that Sampras was useless and exposed as one dimensional
on that surface. Now go and watch re-runs of Wimbledon finals, it's clay
court season.
Benny
> From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>Within reason, yes.
No, not within reason, genuine Tennis fans appreciate grounstrokes.
Roberts
Benny wrote:
> > Subject : Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
> > From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>
> >I kicked his sorry arse out of here yrs ago. The pain must be
wearing off.
> >
> >Hang on I'll get my steel-capped boots....
>
> Nice attempt at revisionist history. You're still bitter after all
> those years. I wasn't sure it was you at first but the ignorant
comments
> you posted here made the penny drop and showcase your boundless
> stupidity to a wider audience. Your criticism of clay courters is
solely
> down to the fact that Sampras was useless and exposed as one
dimensional
> on that surface. Now go and watch re-runs of Wimbledon finals, it's
clay
> court season.
Useless is a harsh term- Sampras could play on clay (he won the Italian
Open) and reached ther SF of the FO, but he just didn't win the FO.
Raja
> Useless is a harsh term- Sampras could play on clay (he won the
Italian
> Open) and reached ther SF of the FO, but he just didn't win the FO.
LOL... He won Italian Open against a bunch of hard courters. He did not
beat a single clay courter in that tournament. That year clay was
playing fast and Becker reached the final. He beat Becker who never won
a single clay court tournament his whole career in the finals.
And in 1996 when he reached French Open semis, the clay courts were
baked dry and played like hard courts. No wonder players like
Kafelnikov and Stich made the finals that year.
Raja
And Sampras won only 1 red clay tournament out of 75 clay court
tournaments he played his whole career - which shows how much one
dimensional he was.
Raja
> Useless is a harsh term- Sampras could play on clay (he won the
Italian
> Open) and reached ther SF of the FO, but he just didn't win the FO.
LOL... He won Italian Open against a bunch of hard courters. He did not
bob
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mine's a 52, but the nurse thought i was more "dead" than "fit"..
bob
bob
>> Subject : Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
>> From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>
>>Within reason, yes.
>
> No, not within reason, genuine Tennis fans appreciate grounstrokes.
geniune tennis fans prefer a wide variety of shot on display, not repeated
rolling back the groundie til someone passes out from boredom.
bob
Whisper
>>Subject : Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
>>From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>
>
>>Within reason, yes.
>
>
> No, not within reason, genuine Tennis fans appreciate grounstrokes.
>
Yes, reasonable 'up to max 6 exchanges' - 50 is bumrooting & of no
interest to tennis fans.....
Whisper
> Roberts wrote:
>
>
>>Useless is a harsh term- Sampras could play on clay (he won the
>
> Italian
>
>>Open) and reached ther SF of the FO, but he just didn't win the FO.
>
>
> LOL... He won Italian Open against a bunch of hard courters. He did not
> beat a single clay courter in that tournament.
Stuff the Italian, he beat 4 FO champs at FO.
That's more than Lendl I believe?
Whisper
>
>
> And Sampras won only 1 red clay tournament out of 75 clay court
> tournaments he played his whole career - which shows how much one
> dimensional he was.
>
Yes, but it's not like he never won on grass or HC - he's the alltime
king on those surfaces - no one else can be rated higher.
And just for laughs he smashed 7 FO champs on clay lol.... : )
Benny
> From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>Stuff the Italian, he beat 4 FO champs at FO.
>
>That's more than Lendl I believe?
And? Bottom line Lendl made the final 5 times, winning 3 of them.
Whisper
Soft era.
chris m
<scottl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> my tennis instructor has explained that tennis is an anaerobic sport. This
> is in contrast to sports like soccer which are aerobic.
>
> In tennis, players normally breathe in as the opponent hits the ball. Then
> they move to hit it back. Just before impact with the ball tennis players
> breathe out.
>
> The result is tennis players are literally playing breathless, and making
> very quick stop-starts throughout. Imagine breathing in and then sprinting
> 10-15 feet over and over again until you've reached a mile. That's what a
> long match feels like.
>
> The physical demands on the tennis player are much different than the soccer
> player. It is hard to compare the two.
>
>
I think I can compare the two. I am a highly ranked senior tennis
player-top ten in New England for the past 6 years. I am 53 years old.
I am looking to hook up with a recreational soccer team to help my
aerobic fitness. I used to be a competitve runner until my achilles
tendons started to go.
In senior tennis they make us play two matches a day in tournaments.
Sometimes these matches go 3 hours or more. At this levels the players
are so skillful that points can last 20-30 shots. People just don't
miss and they no longer have the power to hit the ball by people. A
standard play is to keep hitting drop shots and then lob over your
oppponets head to burn their legs out form under them. This I think is
the most demanding activity I know of in sports. Its murder on the
body and lungs. And if you win both your matches you have to get up
and do it again the next day. I liken it to running two marathons back
to back.
For the pros playing on hard courts this is much different. Points are
over in 2 or 3 shots. Clay is more demanding, the points last a lot
longer.
Soccer is a series of wind sprints, 20-30 yard bursts, but it isn't as
constant and there is some let up. I want to play soccer again because
its a way of doing wind sprints while having some fun as contrasted to
training which is boring agony.
So you are right, its hard to compare, but senior tennis is the hardest
sport I know.
chris m
Benny
> From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>Soft era.
I agree the Sampras era was much softer, Lendl had to compete against
Borg, Conners, McEnroe, Becker, Edberg and Wilander while Sampras had
Agassi, Courier, Rafter, Pioline, Krajicek and Todd Martin.
Whisper
He lost to almost all of them when they played remotely well - eg 3-0 to
Becker in slam finals.
The more people talk about Lendl the closer we analyse his record, & the
further he plummets down the alltime list....
Leave the poor man alone - it's bad enough he never won Wimbledon. At
this rate he'll be a tier a 4 hacker in a couple weeks....
Pedro Dias
"chris m" <chris....@comcast.net> wrote in message
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top-flight badminton is even more strenuous.
dennis smythe
"Whisper" <beav...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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Lendl was shite whenever he came across class at Wimbledon, he was good
playing against nobodies at lesser events like the french open.
Roberts
Interesting. thanks. I definitely think there are some good arguments
for both sides.
Benny
>Lendl was shite whenever he came across class at Wimbledon, he was good
>playing against nobodies at lesser events like the french open.
He beat Wilander and McEnroe in French Open finals and it's not a lesser
event, all Grand Slams are equal.
Benny
> From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>He lost to almost all of them when they played remotely well - eg 3-0 to
>Becker in slam finals.
13-14 vs Edberg, 11-10 vs Becker, 21-15 vs McEnroe, 15-7 vs Wilander and
2-5 vs Borg during the Golden era of men's Tennis. That's a decent
record against five all time greats.
>The more people talk about Lendl the closer we analyse his record, & the
>further he plummets down the alltime list....
You're confusing Lendl with Sampras.
>Leave the poor man alone - it's bad enough he never won Wimbledon.
He made two finals which is 2 more than Sampras managed at the French
Open.
nemanja
raj_k...@hotmail.com wrote:
> With modern racket technology practically anyone can hit with power
and
> that's true for the serve as well as for ground strokes. You do not
> need to be very fit to do so when the racket is doing most of the
work
> for you. I am sure plenty here in RST can reach 100 mph on their
> serve.
This is one thing I just could not let by without a comment, however
delayed. I am pretty sure plenty in RST *can't* reach 100 mph no matter
how much they tried. In fact serving speed is the area in which rec
players suffer the most delusions about their own ability. Most 4.5
guys will confidently declare to you that they can serve 115 mph, when
in reality, their *top* speed would hardly scratch into the 100s, let
alone their average.
Nemanja
Whisper
>>Subject : Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
>>From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>
>
>>He lost to almost all of them when they played remotely well - eg 3-0 to
>>Becker in slam finals.
>
>
> 13-14 vs Edberg, 11-10 vs Becker, 21-15 vs McEnroe, 15-7 vs Wilander and
> 2-5 vs Borg during the Golden era of men's Tennis. That's a decent
> record against five all time greats.
>
I said when they played 'remotely well'....
>
>>The more people talk about Lendl the closer we analyse his record, & the
>>further he plummets down the alltime list....
>
>
> You're confusing Lendl with Sampras.
Sampras' stature will continue to grow - Lendl going the other way....
>
>
>>Leave the poor man alone - it's bad enough he never won Wimbledon.
>
>
> He made two finals which is 2 more than Sampras managed at the French
> Open.
>
FO is not quivalent to Wimbledon.
Whisper
>>Subject : Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
>>From : dennis smythe <link...@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk>
>
>
>>Lendl was shite whenever he came across class at Wimbledon, he was good
>>playing against nobodies at lesser events like the french open.
>
>
> He beat Wilander and McEnroe in French Open finals and it's not a lesser
> event, all Grand Slams are equal.
>
>
No they're not. Would Stich swap with Johansson?
bob
>> Subject : Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
>> From : dennis smythe <link...@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk>
>
>>Lendl was shite whenever he came across class at Wimbledon, he was good
>>playing against nobodies at lesser events like the french open.
>
> He beat Wilander and McEnroe in French Open finals and it's not a lesser
> event, all Grand Slams are equal.
W is top slam..if you want to equate FO,USO, fine with me..even throw recent
AO in with it, i don't care..nobody (especially lendl) would rather win any
other tournament more than W..kind of sums it up.
bob
Benny
> From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>I said when they played 'remotely well'....
And I could easily say Lendl only lost when he didn't play well. Do try
making a valid point
>Sampras' stature will continue to grow - Lendl going the other way....
They're both in the history books and you can't change history.
>FO is not quivalent to Wimbledon.
Only because Sampras couldn't win it.
Benny
>W is top slam..if you want to equate FO,USO, fine with me..even throw recent
>AO in with it, i don't care..nobody (especially lendl) would rather win any
>other tournament more than W..kind of sums it up.
>
>bob
Nobody expect the clay courters who don't turn up for grass court
season.
Benny
>No they're not. Would Stich swap with Johansson?
Why would they swap, they have a GS each. The FO is more important to
some, Wimbledon to others and the same goes for the US and AO. They
carry the same number of points so what you think, in a lame attempt to
justify Sampras' failure on clay, is totally irrelevant.
Raja
> > Subject : Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
> > From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
Benny, bob and Whisper are the same guy. This guy really likes Sampras
and hates every other player who others try to compare with him.
This guy also knows Lendl has a better record than Sampras, if we
account for the level of competition they faced (Lendl faced all time
greats like Borg, Mac, Connors, Wilander, Becker, Edberg). Sampras only
faced Courier and Agassi who could be called as a "tennis great".
And Lendl comprehensively beat Courier (4-0 head-head lead) and Agassi
(6-2 head-head lead, 2 of those losses coming when Lendl was 33 years
old).
The only way this poor guy can justify Sampras claim as greatest in
modern era is removing Lendl out of the way.
Lendl is the main threat. And he will stoop to any level to degrade
him.
If you look at both of theirs record Lendl is clearly better if you
account for the "softer" era Sampras player.
Lendl: 8 slams, 19 finals
Sampras: 14 slams, 18 finals
Lendl: 5 Masters cup, 9 finals (in a row)
Sampras 5 Masters cup, 6 finals
Lendl: 270 weeks as No.1 (in era when Mcenroe, Wilander, Edberg, Becker
were all at peak)
Sampras: 286 weeks as No.1 ( in a era when no-one was at peak. Sampras
became no.1 only after Courier stopped winning. Agassi played one year
well - 1995 during Sampras time)
Lendl: 94 tournaments
Sampras: 64 tournaments
Lendl: 1063-238 match win-loss (86.1 win %)
Sampras: 762-22 match win-loss (77.4 win %)
Lendl: 81-25 win-loss with 76.415 on grass (his worst surface)
Sampras: 90-54 win-loss with 62.5% on grass (his worst surface)
Lendl played only 25 grass (grass tournaments are few) winning 2 of
them at the London's Queens Club (most prestigious grass tournament
after Wimbledon). He beat Mcenroe 62 64 in 1990 Queens semis, and
Becker 63 61 in 1990 Queens finals. He also also beaten Pat Cash (1987
Wim champion) twice in slams (1983 Wimbledon and 1983 Australian Open),
Stefan Edberg (2 time Wim champion) in 1987 Wimbledon semis and also
beat Micheal Stich (1991 Wim Champion) in 1989 Queens.
Lendl also made 3 finals in slams played on grass (Australian Open 83,
Wim 86-87) and 7 semis (5 at Wimbledon and 2 in Australian Open on
grass)
Sampras only made 1 semi finals on a clay slam in French Open 1996 in
a year when the clay was dry and fast courters like Kafelnikov and
Michael Stich made the finals.
Sampras on the other hand, played 73 tournaments on clay winning only 3
, only 1 of them on red-clay at the Italian Open in 1994 when the clay
courts were fast and he never met a single good claycourter, facing
Becker in the final who never won a single clay court tournament in his
whole career.
Lendl lost twice in 1st round in Wimbledon, once in 2nd round, twice in
3rd round, twice in 4th round, at 5 times in semis and 2 times in
finals.
Sampras lost thrice in 1st round in French Open, 5 times in 2nd round
at French Open, once in 3rd round. He made 3 quarters and 1 semis
I rest my case!
Lendl is easily > Sampras. And I have a case for Borg as well. If you
look at what Mac did for tennis as well as how much successful he was
in his short career, he also trumps Sampras.
Whisper
>>Subject : Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
>>From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>
>
>>I said when they played 'remotely well'....
>
>
> And I could easily say Lendl only lost when he didn't play well. Do try
> making a valid point
>
You can't because Lendl didn't win the biggest tournament in the game.
The greatest players have to domiante the biggest tournament, else they
aren't the greatest....
>
>>Sampras' stature will continue to grow - Lendl going the other way....
>
>
> They're both in the history books and you can't change history.
Yes, but Lendl is tier 3.
>
>
>>FO is not quivalent to Wimbledon.
>
>
> Only because Sampras couldn't win it.
>
>
Don't be dumb.
Whisper
You're way out of your depth. You're just as dumb as last time.
Whisper
> Benny wrote:
>
>>>Subject : Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
>>>From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>
>
> Benny, bob and Whisper are the same guy. This guy really likes Sampras
> and hates every other player who others try to compare with him.
No we are not the same guy. It's been proven only dickheads think Lendl
was a greater player than Sampras. I'm not joking here - there is a
study & it's conclusive. Lendl is chairman of the committee & he was
biggest Sampras supporter...
>
> This guy also knows Lendl has a better record than Sampras, if we
> account for the level of competition they faced (Lendl faced all time
> greats like Borg, Mac, Connors, Wilander, Becker, Edberg). Sampras only
> faced Courier and Agassi who could be called as a "tennis great".
The competition definitely improved in 90's. I can't see Lendl winning
at all at FO, or USO.
...or AO.
bob
>> Subject : Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
>> From : bob <rst...@NOSPAM.cfl.rr.com>
>
>>W is top slam..if you want to equate FO,USO, fine with me..even throw
>>recent
>>AO in with it, i don't care..nobody (especially lendl) would rather win
>>any
>>other tournament more than W..kind of sums it up.
>>
>>bob
>
> Nobody expect the clay courters who don't turn up for grass court
> season.
and they don't turn up for grass season because they know they cannot win or
come close..not that they wouldn't love to win, but no use chasing a lost
cause.
bob
Jean-Philou
> Tennis players play in very hot conditions, whereas footballers have
> the luxury of playing on cooler conditions, and even in very cold
> temperatures, the body tends to reach a natural ambience.
The footballers start their season by the end of June, or at the
beginning of July, with the pre-season training. And this period of
intensive training is pretty difficult, they prepare all the season
and they run a lot. It's more difficult for them than a football game.
And this takes place during the summer, when the temperature often
reaches the 30°.
chris m
> >
> I dunno. Everything above applies to squash - only more so. And I hear
> top-flight badminton is even more strenuous.
You're right. I forgot. I played squash in college (for Trinity in
Hartford CT the current top team in the US). I remember falling to my
knees and throwing up in buckets after matches and practice. Squash is
demanding. I still dunno though. I remember back to the Borg-Vilas
clay court matches that used to go over 4 hours sometimes, with 40-50
shot points. But they don't play that kind of tennis anymore.
chris m
Benny
> From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>No we are not the same guy. It's been proven only dickheads think Lendl
>was a greater player than Sampras. I'm not joking here - there is a
It's been proven only dickheads like tree climbers who play Tennis.
Benny
> From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>You can't because Lendl didn't win the biggest tournament in the game.
Yes he did, he won the Masters 5 times.
>The greatest players have to domiante the biggest tournament, else they
>aren't the greatest....
As I said Lendl won the Masters 5 times and is the only player to win it
three years running.
>Yes, but Lendl is tier 3.
Then so is Sampras.
Years after Sampras' retirement you still come up with these lame
excuses to justify his failure to win the FO. He wasn't good enough and
no amount of whining on your part will change that so get over it.
Benny
> From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>You're way out of your depth. You're just as dumb as last time.
Typical response from someone who can't make a valid point.
Benny
> From : bob <rst...@NOSPAM.cfl.rr.com>
>and they don't turn up for grass season because they know they cannot win or
>come close..not that they wouldn't love to win, but no use chasing a lost
>cause.
>
>bob
A bit like Sampras turning up for the FO then.
Pedro Dias
SUNY Stony Brook, in a time long forgotten. I've played tennis in its
various iterations, I've played squash both hard and soft balled. There's
nothing like softball squash in terms of intensity. Of course, no squash
match is going to last three or four hours.
Whisper
I am over it. FO is not prerequisite for 'best ever' - Wimbledon is.
chris m
In article <d4uf4j$fpk$1...@news.doit.wisc.edu>, DK
<d...@no.email.thankstospam.net> wrote:
> In article <4810c$4270ecbf$d1cc570a$19...@snip.allthenewsgroups.com>, "Pedro
> Dias" <pedr...@snip.net> wrote:
> >>
> >I dunno. Everything above applies to squash - only more so. And I hear
> >top-flight badminton is even more strenuous.
>
> This is the classic example of how badminton and tennis compare:
> (From the following, please note that the badminton players competed
> for half the time, yet ran twice as far and hit nearly twice as many shots).
>
> Statistics don't lie. The speed and the stamina required for badminton are
> far
> greater than for any other racket sport. At the 1985 All England (Tennis)
> Championships, Boris Becker defeated Kevin Curren 6-3, 6-7, 7-6, 6-4. At the
> 1985 World Badminton Championships in Calgary, Canada, Han Jian of China
> defeated Morten Frost of Denmark, 14-18, 15-10, 15-8. The following is a
> statistical comparison of those matches.
>
> Tennis Badminton
> Time: 3 hrs & 18 mins 1 hr & 16 mins
> Ball/Shuttle in Play: 18 mins 37 mins
> Match Intensity*: 9 percent 48 percent
> Rallies: 299 146
> Shots: 1,004 1,972
> Shots Per Rally: 3.4 3.5
> Distance Covered: 2 miles 4 miles
>
> * The actual time the ball/shuttle was in flight, divided by the length of
> the
> match.
>
> And the top shuttlecock speed can be as much as 200 mph...
>
> DK
>
>
Thanks for the info. Absolutely fascinating. Where did you get this
from.
chris m
Benny
> From : Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
>I am over it. FO is not prerequisite for 'best ever' - Wimbledon is.
If you were over it you wouldn't have made a big deal about him winning
the Italian Open.
bob
>> Subject : Who is fitter tennis players or soccer players?
>> From : bob <rst...@NOSPAM.cfl.rr.com>
>
>>and they don't turn up for grass season because they know they cannot win
>>or
>>come close..not that they wouldn't love to win, but no use chasing a lost
>>cause.
>>
>>bob
>
> A bit like Sampras turning up for the FO then.
no, sampras turned up for FO..
bob
I've Saved The Queen
> > > > > Another imporant point to add is that- as well as putting
> pressure
> > > on
> > > > > the legs like in football- tennis players also put a tremendous
> > > amount
> > > > > of pressure on the upper body, especially the shoulders, and
> the
> > > wrists
> > > > > and arms get tested a lot also. This exertion of the upper body
> > > doesn't
> > > > > happen in soccer, excpet when they are heading the ball.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think footballers need to be strong in the sense of
> withstanding
> > > > > physical challenges from other players, whereas tennis players
> need
> > > to
> > > > > be strong in order to help prevent injury and to hit the ball
> > > harder.
> > > >
> > > > STFU Robbie the Erbert aka Robert Moir
> > >
> > > LOL, on the soccer NG I get accused of being Robert Moir and on the
> > > tennis NG I get accused of being Stephen Jaros.
> >
> > Robert Moir aka Robbie the Erbert has many sock puppets, of which you
> are
> > one of them. I don't know about Stephen Jaros, but it wouldn't be
> hard to
> > figure out. It fit's nicely within the Robert Moir model however. You
> have a
> > history of creating sock puppets to create the illusion of
> solidarity.
> >
> > You have way too much time on your hands Robert Moir. Stop staring at
> the
> > computer and go down to the gym at Luton, where you are the head
> Security
> > Expert.
> >
> >
> > >Robert is quite a popular name
> >
> >
> > LOL, Robbie and his Robert Moir account both made the same
> assumption.
>
> You really are a silly cunt: I am not Robert Moir and I don't know who
> he is. HONEST TRUTH (although I know you won't believe me): I started
> posting in the soccer NG and seem to have got caught up in this rather
> one-sided war that you have against this Moir person, just because I
> have a similar name.
>
> Don't you think that it is a bit too much for this Moir person to know
> about tennis, soccer and Yugoslavian politics?
>
> Now, just leave me alone you fucking cunt.
Shut up Robert Moir. TOR isn't unknown to everyone you sad loser with no
life.
http://tor.eff.org/
You use TOR to fool google, sending messages through various servers
worldwide to create the illusion of solidarity whilst conversing with
several of your sock puppets.
Moron.
Now go ahead and create another one to attack Peroneeee and Smitchin with,
cunt face!