I doubt that seriously. I think he'll retire from the ATP when his
body goes out on him, or G*d forbid if some tragedy occurs in his
family life. The guy loves playing.
--
When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he
was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to
say but what is equally true is that he also wants Republicans to
fail. If Republicans succeed if they govern successfully in office
and negotiate attractive compromises out of office Rush s listeners
get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio
less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.
-- David Frum, conservative speechwriter and author
++
1. Health - seems to weather whatever comes well
2. Injury - so far so good... his decade long work with Pierre
Paganini has been a key for his longevity...
3. Motivation - Winbledon record, FO wins to fully establish clay
greatness, Olympic singles gold at Wimbledon 2012 and more cycles of
career slam possible
I have no doubts that the 2012 seaons will be ALL ABOUT winning the
Olympic singles gold... he'd have the singular distinction of having
won singles AND doubles if he were to do that... and no matter how he
phrases his chase of the record book and various 'individual marks of
sporting distinction' he'd LOVE having both singles and doubles
gold...
As we all know winning another Wimbledon would be a priority, I would
have to guess... one more gives him 7 to tie Pete... he's likely got 3
or 4 shots to get one more, so he could do it...
And I REALLY think winning a second FO is very important to Federer...
I suspect he doesn't want to have anyone suggest he was 'just lucky'
to get the one he's got and certainly he'd like 2 cycles of the career
slam, though that would just be a nice bi-product of having won 2
FO's...
So, something like 20 slams as a nice round number... or just getting
to the 20 slam winning threshold for men in the Open Era... might
become a narrative line if Federer were to win another couple of
majors...
P
++ soooooooooo... 4 more seasons???
P
more like 10.
Yeah I'm thinking the earliest Federer retires(barring a serious
injury or family tragedy) is end of 2014.
He will play for many more years. Even after losing his touch Rogi
will still be the man on the circuit with the slams.
Wheelchair experts keep saying that this or that player should retire
because he/she does not perform to the expectations of these losers.
How stupid can they get?
They know that they lose their appeal after retirement and the public
soon forgets them dragging them out for special occasions but that is
not enough for a top professional. It is not enough even for weekend
warriors who dream of dropping dead at age 80 after hitting an
incredible winner.
agassi played until he was what ? 36? 37? and at that he probably only quit
because of his back being so bad. Imagine if he had no back problem? how long
would he have carried on? Imagine he actually LOVED tennis and had no back
problem, how long then ?
Ok, so if Fed is 100% healthy and LOVES tennis why would he of all people quit
before he was 36/37? I can't see it happening. In fact I can see him playing at
40 still.
Nothing new. I said this 5 years ago already.
Hope he doesn't lose to Berdych-Blake-types when it truly matters...
Or Soderling types for that matter -- that would be a disaster don't
you think?
It probably would not make much difference. I am saying this in
general because Rogi, whom I promised not to call a jerk any more, is
not my favorite. So what if he loses to some upcoming players? He
could still win a slam or two and a few other tournaments. He could be
a top 10 or even below player and could still play. What is there to
do after retirement? Watching his arteries harden or Mirka get fat and
whine about not getting enough attention? Being on the tour must be an
incredible experience.
>
> agassi played until he was what ? 36? 37? and at that he probably
> only quit
> because of his back being so bad. Imagine if he had no back
> problem? how long
> would he have carried on? Imagine he actually LOVED tennis and had
> no back
> problem, how long then ?
But Agassi didn't have kids until later; when he quit they were just
approaching school age.
>
> Ok, so if Fed is 100% healthy and LOVES tennis why would he of all
> people quit
> before he was 36/37? I can't see it happening. In fact I can see
> him playing at
> 40 still.
>
I do not think Federer will want to travel the world alone while his wife
and kids are back in Switzerland. At some point, they will have to make
some hard choices: either they home-school the kids, or Federer quites, or
they have to resign themselves to spending a lot of time apart. Federer
and his wife have basically never been apart since they met in 2000.
wg
>
> Yeah I'm thinking the earliest Federer retires(barring a serious
> injury or family tragedy) is end of 2014.
What age do kids start school in Switzerland?
wg
I don't know, but I'd assume 4, 5 at the oldest, which would make
Federer 32, 33, I think. A reasonable time to retire. I wonder what
he'll do then.
hey look Fed can afford to hire a full time teacher and bring them on the road
with the family. certainly through their kindergarten and P1/2 years or even
beyond. having 500 million dollars changes things a lot ya know.
4, 5 at the oldest? Here kids start school at 7. I know they start
earlier in many places, but 4 sounds crazy. What kind of school can
that be?
that's right sakari. first grade is normally at age 6 in most places.
4/5 is only pre-school and kindergarten shit.
Catholic school for choirboys?
--
"So the ones who think I only concentrate on Grand Slams are wrong. I
try to win and play well in every tournament. The tough part in
Indian Wells and Miami is that it is best of three and that sort of
knockout tennis is brutal."
What do kids in Finland do for those three years between 4 and 7 then?
Like Dave said, kindergarten and pre-school type of things. But it is
just playing and spending time somewhere while the parents are
working. Maybe it is similar in other countries, but nobody calls it
"school" here. School starts at 7, when you are in classrooms and
study reading and writing etc. (Of course, any half-intelligent person
learns to read at 4, but that's when you officially start learning
it... :-))
Wrong.
I think children learn to read later on average than at 4 years old.
In www.atptour.com , in Federers page there is a video that federer
says he is going to retire when hes about 35
So he'll get to 35 and reassess then. I'm sure by 35 it will be a year-
by-year deal. But for now we've got 7 more glorious years of Federer!
Sounds like we're talking about the same thing. In US, most kids are
in some sort of preschool by 4, definitely in kindergarten by 5, and
in first grade, where they're sitting at desks and learning, by 6.
It's hard choices from here on out. Federer loves to play but at some
point he's going to be losing more than he's winning and he has to
decide if loves playing more than he hates losing. Or just gets bored
by losing.
I'm more curious about what he's going to do after tennis.
Didn't he essentially say recently that he was wants to enjoy the tour
and not worry about winning or losing? He doesn't need the money and I
am sure he can get wild cards if necessary.
Let us see in a couple of years or if he suffers an injury that messes
with his movement. For now, he is the man with 16 slams who has been in
the last 8 slam finals and won 3 of the last 4.
How old will Federer be when getting to the QF of a slam is a heroic
deed? Will he still be playing professional tennis given everything he
has achieved?
Perhaps he can switch to doubles at some point.
--
Cheers,
vc
Well, anyone can say they don't worry about losing but when it comes
down to it ... That said, Federer seems to make transitions fairly
well, although he was testy last year, which could have been caused by
any number of professional and/or personal things.
Like I said, I'm much more curious about what he's going to do after
retirement. He seems more likely than, say, Sampras or Agassi to do
something tennis related.
++ I'm beginning to think he 'believes' in his ability to compete to
win slams for 'many more years" as he says... and yet... were he to
lose in the first or second round of a few slams he might suddenly
short circuit... if you can't be the guy at the the top or right next
to the guy at the top, can one motivate oneself to continue for some
vague "someday" when all the powers suddenly come together and he has
a tremendous tournament, making a run for a slam win...
Perhaps, he can do that... or that will BE ENOUGH for him... I tend to
doubt it... I don't think he like to play having Verdasco types (and
increasingly lesser players) putting the wood to him tournament after
tournament... so, it all depends on how long he can remain at that
absolute elite level of play...
THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION, as far as I am concerned... How long can
Federer continue to play at that absolute elite level?
P
TBd.
Yeah, just like Sampras.
Sampras just retired immediately after winning a slam. Maybe Fed will
do the same after winning #20 against super stiff competition,
realizing he can't cut it anymore against 10-years younger opponents.
Just like. Not.
--
"Ave Rafa, morituri te salutant!"
Would be great if he had cut it against teenage opponents when #1. But
it's ok, I guess nobody's perfect. :(
>TennisGuy wrote:
>> On Apr 3, 8:52 pm, Manco <musefan2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I suspect that he retires the first time he goes an entire year w/o
>>> winning 1 slam.
>>
>> Yeah, just like Sampras.
>
>Just like. Not.
sampras is now washing rogers feet.
er, the Wimbledon king does not wash feet of an inferior Wimbledon champ.
Federer 1 Sampras 0 at the World Championships calls for it.
Sampras never played at world championships.
Toad 1 Federer 0 at World Championships
++ Federer 1 Sampras 0 at Wimbledon
:))))))
P
Just in case you didn't catch it, TT and Prof_X are united in their
efforts to make Exos the primary determinant of pro careers.
Murrsy won Abu Dhabi in 2009 and Nadal won it this year. So they are
joint GOATs.
--
Cheers,
vc
++ Funny you mention that... I just watched the AO final with the
Eurosport broadcast and MAN does that make it 'feel' different than if
one listens to it on the ESPN (US) coverage... I never realized how
close it really was :)))))))))))))))))))
And Wilander is interesting to listen to, especially if one doesn't
get a chance to listen to him very often...
P
This is correct.
Wilander has lots of opinions and he absolutely loves to tell them.
Sometimes he might even get something right. The guy predicted Federer
beating Nadal before FO2008 final.
He was just 1 year and one finalist off. You want to crucify him for
that? He would be a Tier One analyst on rst. They learn to say things
like this:
"He's not a man - a machine. A Terminator. A Cyberdyne Systems Model 101"
"The title is his."
--
Cheers,
vc
Yes, Gofers of Abu Dhabi "Tournament", the ones who work hardest for the
"prize" money.
--
Cheers,
vc
Says someone who hasn't balls to predict a single match.
> He was just 1 year and one finalist off. You want to crucify him for
> that?
His failure was of historic proportions. Can't be more wrong than that.
All it takes to make a prediction is a lack of awareness. Every idiot in
every bar in every town is making a ton of them every day.
You are welcome! :)
--
Cheers,
vc
Prediction can also be based on analytic skills.
Can't see more a poor prediction than watching Federer play his matches
in 2008 FO and watching Nadal's...and come to the conclusion that
Federer should win the final. And Wilander is supposed to be
professional. What do they know, nothing. It wasn't even distantly a
close final. It was the worst trashing of #1 ever in a slam final.
...but it's great that you see yourself as just another "expert" picked
from the bar...cause maybe that's what you are. But a shy one.
Oh, you poor baby. Did someone steal your lunch money?
--
Cheers,
vc
It's ok vari, not all can act like men. Just be the gutless wimp if you
want.
So this is what you need to say to feel more than subhuman. Interesting!
--
Cheers,
vc
You forgot your smiley.
But you haven't managed to rise up to human level, alas!
--
Cheers,
vc
++ Personally, and it's just me, I don't really care about predictions
before big matches... his take on how matches are being played, those
things he looks for in how a player is performing and what he's NOT
doing is interesting... if you haven't heard him a lot, is very
different from many other commentators... and the fact he doesn't
particularily like Federer (though he clearly respects what he's
accomplished) gives his commentary an edge at times...
P
Don't get all serious now. Someone might think you lack sense of humour! :-P
Yes his comments certainly are interesting...I was just questioning if
they're actually that worthy.
>> You forgot your smiley.
>>
>
>But you haven't managed to rise up to human level, alas!
Joe, arnab etc. are having a break, and it is your turn to do these
threads with TT now? Didn't really expect it again. But it looks like
someone is on duty to do it all the time.
++ ... worthy... of what, whom?
P
I'm blessed.
Worthy of taking them seriously.
++ oh... you were being an idiot... duh, i'm such an idiot...
P
Me neither. Someone has to help to keep TT ahead of Whisper and
Hazelwood in the monthly rst races, no?
--
Cheers,
vc
No fear, rst will never run out of idiots.
Interesting is that Vari became obsessed and replying all my posts after
nadal winning mc. sick puppy.
++ TT's not so bad... he over plays 'being unaffected' at times...
but... if everyone agreed with us, with whom would we discuss things
to the ends of futility? :))
P
I bet your plan is to go after dave at all time list.
>On 4/26/2010 1:06 PM, Sakari Lund wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:55:36 -0400, "Vari L. Cinicke"
>> <varie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> You forgot your smiley.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But you haven't managed to rise up to human level, alas!
>>
>> Joe, arnab etc. are having a break, and it is your turn to do these
>> threads with TT now? Didn't really expect it again. But it looks like
>> someone is on duty to do it all the time.
>
>Me neither. Someone has to help to keep TT ahead of Whisper and
>Hazelwood in the monthly rst races, no?
You are doing pretty well yourself this month for a change.
TT is way better than Hazelwood, that is for sure.
He does tend to get bent out of shape and start cursing when he runs out
of usable mentation, but he seems more honest than Whisper.
And he wears his Nadal-love proudly. That is the redeeming feature, IMHO.
If he can learn something about the game and learn to respect its lofty
practioners, there could be hope for him.
But he tends to get all too emo on rst far too often for imaginary and
imagined slights.
--
Cheers,
vc
Figures I would stock up before my time off! :D
--
Cheers,
vc
Exactly. They take turns getting beaten by myself. :-P
Before Saturday.
++ Of course, imaginary and imagined slights are 'everywhere'... :)
Might be better for someone other than Fed or Rafa to win the next few
slams... that would certainly scare the shit out of almost everyone
around here... though sadly leave the entire website open for 'ocean'
to drown us all in anti-spam...
P
P
I agree.
But the question still remains whether you can take seriously analysis
from someone who gets match like that wrong?
++ I do... you don't... so evidently I can and you can't... now,
whether we should or shouldn't... I'll vote yes and leave the sound
on... :)
P
I listen to him, it's entertaining.
++ Good boy... :)
P
>Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>> He was just 1 year and one finalist off. You want to crucify him for
>> that? He would be a Tier One analyst on rst. They learn to say things
>> like this:
>>
>> "He's not a man - a machine. A Terminator. A Cyberdyne Systems Model 101"
>>
>> "The title is his."
>>
>
>Says someone who hasn't balls to predict a single match.
some people have no confidence in themselves the same way you and i have too
much.
imagine vari as sgt schultz with his hands over his eyes saying "i predict
nothing i predict nothing".
vari is the sgt schultz of rst. enjoy the laugh.
>On 4/26/2010 1:06 PM, Sakari Lund wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:55:36 -0400, "Vari L. Cinicke"
>> <varie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> You forgot your smiley.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But you haven't managed to rise up to human level, alas!
>>
>> Joe, arnab etc. are having a break, and it is your turn to do these
>> threads with TT now? Didn't really expect it again. But it looks like
>> someone is on duty to do it all the time.
>
>Me neither. Someone has to help to keep TT ahead of Whisper and
>Hazelwood in the monthly rst races, no?
i am in no race. if i was, i would win. i can assure you of that for i am just
loping alone here now.
>On 4/26/2010 1:16 PM, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
better at what ? sucking dick ? ok i concede.
>On 4/26/2010 1:18 PM, Sakari Lund wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:13:56 -0400, "Vari L. Cinicke"
>> <varie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/26/2010 1:06 PM, Sakari Lund wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:55:36 -0400, "Vari L. Cinicke"
>>>> <varie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> You forgot your smiley.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But you haven't managed to rise up to human level, alas!
>>>>
>>>> Joe, arnab etc. are having a break, and it is your turn to do these
>>>> threads with TT now? Didn't really expect it again. But it looks like
>>>> someone is on duty to do it all the time.
>>>
>>> Me neither. Someone has to help to keep TT ahead of Whisper and
>>> Hazelwood in the monthly rst races, no?
>>
>> You are doing pretty well yourself this month for a change.
>
>Figures I would stock up before my time off! :D
your annual menses izzit?
vari is in love with words. she likes to show how she can say in 100 words what
you or i can say in 10. amazing talent really.
vari is always going on about how much we post but if you scored in words posted
vari wins hands down.
she is the blowhard of rst.
Indeed. I guess that's why I find it's posts boring as hell. Often Vari
writes a long post while having nothing to say.
>
> vari is always going on about how much we post but if you scored in words posted
> vari wins hands down.
>
> she is the blowhard of rst.
And vari's ashamed of it too, which is pathetic.