Why Chinese Long Pips are better than Japan's
longpi...@my-deja.com
and a few of China's. Japanese long pips tend to be more controllable
at first, with less long pips effect. This is caused by the pips being
spaced widely apart on the rubber surface, it gives more control and
more speed with less of an effect. If the pips are aligned vertically
they tend to be faster. Chinese long pips are very close together on
the rubber sheet, therefore when the ball contacts it, more pips
interact with the surface of the ball creating more effect. As soon as
you get used to the slower chinese pips, they are controllable during
defense or my preference offense. If you're looking for control and
speed choose Japan's long pips, if you're looking for control and
deception (which is what long pips is all about, even with the 40mm
ball) choose Chinese long pips.
List of long pips I've used-Japan
1.JUIC Leggy
2.Butterfly Feint and Feint long
3.Tibhar Grass & Grass Spezial
4.Yasska Phantom
5.Tsp Curl P2 (Very similiar to C-7 but not funky enough)
List of long pips-China
1.PF4 C-7 (illegal now, but they were fun)
2.Prasidha 1615 (Didn't much care for them)
3.RITC 755 (Very deceptive, I play with no sponge able to hit with them
well, extremely funky)
4.RITC 563 (Medium pips w/ 1.5 sponge, not enough effect)
I welcome thoughts about other long pips I have not tried.
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threestar40
sheets in august and currently play with them, It is very interesting what
went on politically with this rubber, I followed it since the aspect ratio
rule. Just follow the money trail and you will see why things are the way
they are.
The new legal c7 plays exactly like the old stuff and it did make the latest
ITTF legal list.
It is not PF4 C7 any more, It has a whole new look.
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long...@my-deja.com
long pips (Butterfly Feint OX and Butterfly Feint Long II OX) and
others. I always liked the control of japanese long pips and I also
experienced more desception from them. I never had any problems playing
against Friendship 755. I don't think that they are too desceptive. I
have most problems against BTY Feint Long II and Phantom 0012 Infinity.
I have played with following japanese long pips already:
Butterfly Feint OX (excellent control with 38 mm ball but not too good
for the 40 mm ball - not too high desception)
Butterfly Feint Long II (excellent control with the 40 mm ball for both
defense and attack and very good desception)
JUIC Leggy R (average Long Pips rubber - medium desception and control)
Yasaka Phantom 0012 Infinity (like Feint Long II but little harder to
control)
TSP Curl P2 (low desception but excellent control - espacially for hitting)
TSP Curl P1 Bamboo (high desception and excellent control for both
hitting and chopping)
I have tried many more japanese long pips but above mentioned are my
favorites
chinese long pips:
Friendship 755 (good control for all type of long pips strokes including
hitting but not too high desception)
Friendship 563 like 755 exept that I had more problems playing against
563 because sometimes they are able to produce some spin too (more than 755)
I don't know where HALLMARK Dr. Neubauer Super Special pips are made.
The company is located in Wales/Great Britain but I don't know if they
manufactore the pips there. There is nothing on the rubber or package
that indicates where the rubber gets manufactored.
However those are the best long pips I ever played for everyting exept
for hitting. For hitting Curl P1 Bamboo are my favorite long pips.
Olivier LONGPIPS Mader
In article <8v1rqa$9u3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
John R. Miller
...
>TSP Curl P1 Bamboo (high desception and excellent control for both
>hitting and chopping)
>> at first, with less long pips effect.
Olivier, when you say "high deception" and longpip_king, when you refer to
"long pips effect" are you referring to:
1) randomization of spin
2) spin maintenance (i.e., returning the other player's spin, sometimes
called spin reversal since when the direction of travel is reversed the
name of the spin is changed even though the ball keeps spinning the same
way)
3) ability to deaden, maintain, and to some extent generate spin depending
on how the ball is hit (so the other player can't depend on getting his
own spin back)
Thanks
long...@my-deja.com
jo...@balconessoftware.com (John R. Miller) wrote:
> In article <8v2ag3$leg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, long...@my-deja.com wrote:
> ...
> >TSP Curl P1 Bamboo (high desception and excellent control for both
> >hitting and chopping)
> ...
> >Olivier LONGPIPS Mader
> >
> >In article <8v1rqa$9u3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > longpi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >> ...Japanese long pips tend to be more controllable
> >> at first, with less long pips effect.
>
> Olivier, when you say "high deception" and longpip_king, when you
refer to
> "long pips effect" are you referring to:
>
> 1) randomization of spin
Rubbers that randomize the spin give me most trouble to play against.
(Like Feint Long II and Phantom 0012 Infinity).
>
> 2) spin maintenance (i.e., returning the other player's spin,
sometimes
> called spin reversal since when the direction of travel is reversed
the
> name of the spin is changed even though the ball keeps spinning the
same
> way)
I have no problems playing against those rubbers because they are
predictable. However - completely dead rubbers like the one I am using
now (HALLMARK Dr. Neubauer Super Special) can give a lot of players
trouble (especially loopers that depend on 3rd ball attack). What I mean
is that for some players those pips have very high desception and for
others very little - it's a real subjective judgement.
>
> 3) ability to deaden, maintain, and to some extent generate spin
depending
> on how the ball is hit (so the other player can't depend on getting
his
> own spin back)
I personally don't have problems against those pips - especially those
which produce constantly "dead" balls. (TSP Curl P2 or Friendship 755
for example). Some of those rubbers are not too desceptive when chopping
because usually you receive dead balls or little spin. However those
pips can be very dangerous when somebody hits with them...
>
> Thanks
>
Olivier LONGPIPS Mader
Boris
>
>>
>> 2) spin maintenance (i.e., returning the other player's spin,
>sometimes
>> called spin reversal since when the direction of travel is reversed
>the
>> name of the spin is changed even though the ball keeps spinning the
>same
>> way)
>
>predictable. However - completely dead rubbers like the one I am using
>now (HALLMARK Dr. Neubauer Super Special) can give a lot of players
>trouble (especially loopers that depend on 3rd ball attack). What I mean
>is that for some players those pips have very high desception and for
>others very little - it's a real subjective judgement.
I'm playing with HALLMARK Dr. Neubauer Super Special, and I agree with you:
This rubber is absolutely predictable, but gives SO MANY SPIN back that most
players understand the spin but can't control the ball in order to get it
above the net / on the table. Usually at the 2nd or 3rd topspin they _sink_
the ball into the net.
>> 3) ability to deaden, maintain, and to some extent generate spin
>depending
>> on how the ball is hit (so the other player can't depend on getting
>his
>> own spin back)
>
>I personally don't have problems against those pips - especially those
>which produce constantly "dead" balls. (TSP Curl P2 or Friendship 755
>for example). Some of those rubbers are not too desceptive when chopping
>because usually you receive dead balls or little spin. However those
>pips can be very dangerous when somebody hits with them...
I have played with JOOLA Antispin Longpips too. The rubber has an anti
sponge: The harder you hit the ball, the less effect you receice. It is some
sort of anti, but you can chop again topspin and get some spin back (this
would be a Japanese type rubber I guess).
It is _very_ slow (this is why I switched), but I think It's worth to test
it if there's a player who want to taste different flavours of longpips,
because this one is a very special one.
I understand DECEPTION as the ability to produce random spin. Correct me if
I'm wrong, please.
boris
Boris
>> they tend to be faster.
Are you sure? I thought there was no difference - please explain.
boris
Savant999
medium pips and is noticably faster, spinnier thus easier to initiate attack.
on the flip side, i have to be more precise when chopping spinny loops with it.
my current strategy is to use 755 when opponent is a spin looper and 563 when
facing a hitter. overall i have most trouble with short pips hitters because
they don't generate as much spin for me to return the favor and can hit hard or
drop shot more easily then smooth rubber players (a real test of my footwork
which has gone kaputt over the last 2 years). i used to loop more and
consistent looping is often effective against short-pips but that will be after
i recover from my shoulder injury.
happy playing everyone.
jason
Group Moderator
> If you're looking for control and
> speed choose Japan's long pips, if you're looking for control and
> deception (which is what long pips is all about, even with the 40mm
> ball) choose Chinese long pips.
First of all identify yourselves & use real names & don't be
anymore of a pathetic spineless coward than you already are
(since all tactical players are spineless cowards) .
Secondly your subject header is incorrect, If you wannabe a
cheating deceptive lowlife tactical player(with no respect or
regard for the sensitive feelings of robotNazis) , at least
use proper headers. It should read "Why Chinese longpips is more
deceptive than Japanese longpips" Not that I agree or disagree.
Thank you. Have a nice day.
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