JIANG JIALIANG:
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thicker than 1.2 MM. This has to be a mistake.
The guy just hit too powerfully.
Mike
Larry Hodges
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> Surely someone here can verify that Jian used sponge
> thicker than 1.2 MM. This has to be a mistake.
> The guy just hit too powerfully.
I can't verify it directly. But just from watching him play, and knowing how
his shots came out, there's no way he didn't have much thicker sponge.
-Larry Hodges
John Schneider
1.5mm Butterfly Rein for quite some time. I believe that he has switched
to 1.7mm Rein for the 40mm ball.
* Speaking of these two: http://www.usatt.org/tip_photo/120699.shtml
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have the World achievements of Jiang
Jialiang, his game is very reminiscent of
Jiang's. Powerful forehand kill and block
game. I know Deng Ya Ping used .6 mm
on the backhand (longpips), but would
be very surprised if David & Jiang used
anything less than 1.6.
Mike
Caccobio
Oh my god!!!
Has david seen this?
marco
Larry Hodges
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> >* Speaking of these two: http://www.usatt.org/tip_photo/120699.shtml
>
> Oh my god!!!
>
> Has david seen this?
David Zhuang gave me the photo!
I've always wondered what happened to Lwou Yung Chiang.
-Larry Hodges
Berndt J. G. Mann
Bobby Gusikoff, Adrian Haydon, Jimmy McClure, Dick Miles. Garrett
Nash, Marty Reisman, Sol Schiff, Ferenc Sido, Viktor? Tereba and my
'60s Cleveland homie Sandy Potiker were all capable of pulverizing the
ball. And they did it without any sponge at all.
Berndt
Caccobio
>Nash, Marty Reisman, Sol Schiff, Ferenc Sido, Viktor? Tereba and my
>'60s Cleveland homie Sandy Potiker were all capable of pulverizing the
>ball. And they did it without any sponge at all.
>
>Berndt
>
>
Hitting fast flat balls has more to do with the blade than the sponge. A loop,
on the otherhand, will be faster with thicker songe than with thinner (given
that it's the same sponge and is glued the same).
Speaking of glue, I have a question for Berndt (or anyone). The guys who sold
me my winning np-8 want me to apply it using their glue sheets. But I already
have a detailed description from ttamorak on how to glue hard rubber (scotch
tape and sheet of paper method).
It sounds like using glue sheets might be easier. Have you done it this way?
I'm concerned that if I use the glue sheets the rubber won't feel right. And I
don't have time to experiment...september is approaching.
marco
Larry Hodges
> >Bobby Gusikoff, Adrian Haydon, Jimmy McClure, Dick Miles. Garrett
> >Nash, Marty Reisman, Sol Schiff, Ferenc Sido, Viktor? Tereba and my
> >'60s Cleveland homie Sandy Potiker were all capable of pulverizing the
> >ball. And they did it without any sponge at all.
> >
> >Berndt
> >
> >
>
> Hitting fast flat balls has more to do with the blade than the sponge. A
loop,
> on the otherhand, will be faster with thicker songe than with thinner
(given
> that it's the same sponge and is glued the same).
Jiang was a pips-out hitter (penhold), not a looper, and he's the subject of
discussion.
He presumably would need the thicker sponge for faster counterhitting, not
for looping.
-Larry Hodges
TTAmorak
>way? I'm concerned that if I use the glue sheets the rubber won't feel
>right. And I don't have time to experiment...september is approaching.
from them. Just don't use them, is my recommendation.
I've used glue sheets in the past. While they ARE easier to use,
they don't stick very well. Your rubber will start peeling at
the edges sooner. It will be more difficult to repair the flapping
edges with a glue sheet than glue. And then when you finally
take it off, the glue sheet is more likely to take a bunch of
wood with it. If you use the glue and it's sticking too much when
you're ready to replace, you just need a little acetone (nail
polish remover).
And yes, I think it plays better with rubber cement than with
the glue sheets. But the glue sheets ARE easier to use,
initially.
Caccobio
>take it off, the glue sheet is more likely to take a bunch of
>wood with it. If you use the glue and it's sticking too much when
>you're ready to replace, you just need a little acetone (nail
>polish remover).
your post makes a lot of sense. I'll glue it as you described. Thanks.
marco
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the equipment of a great star like Jiang
Jialiang. I thought by now there's be a lot
more Asian participation on this newsgroup. This must be widely known
in China.
ZeroEffect25
I'm sure Eric Boggan will know. I Practice with him every sunday so next time
I'll ask him.
Garbage........
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We didn't call Eric "the wizard"
for nothing. Thanks for asking, and
please give Eric my regards.
Today was my parent's 50th! I saw family
from far away I hadn't seen in a long time, so that was cool.
Mike
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probably have beaten almost everyone
in America with .4 cardboard. Does
everyone agree on this? Larry?
qqw...@hacc.edu
Jiang Jialiang used Double Happiness 652 2.0 in his forhand sponge and
rubber. His blade is of a Chinese brand called "Shun Feng" or
something like "Smooth Sailing" in English. Nothing is indicated in
the "backhand sponge and rubber" category.
bice...@aol.com (BICENBKS) wrote in message news:<20010809232302...@mb-ml.aol.com>...
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at his overall game, it really didn't look like
he was using 1.3 MM. Thanks for locating
this site. Although Deng Ya Ping used
.6 long pips on her backhand, I don't
believe any modern table-tennis champion
has used anything much less than 2.0
on the forehand. At least I'd be very
surprised.
Baber
John Schneider
bice...@aol.com says...
Depends on what you mean by "modern table tennis champion." If you're
referring to world champions of the last 20 years, you're probably right
(although 1981 Women's Singles World Champion Tong Ling, a chopper, may
have used thin inverted on her forehand). As far as modern U.S.
champions, I already mentioned that David Zhuang used 1.5mm Butterfly
Rein prior to last year. Gao Jun uses Challenger Attack, but I don't
know if it's 1.5 or 1.9 (Larry? Lefty? Julian?). If I recall correctly,
Insook Bhushan used Butterfly Magnitude and Tackiness, but again I don't
know the thicknesses.
John
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> Baber
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used 1.5 until quite recently. He played
very powerfully for someone using such
thin rubber. He uses speed glue as well,
doesn't he?
Mike
John Schneider
bice...@aol.com says...
I believe David does use speed glue, as do some other short pips players
such as Johnny Huang and Liu Guoliang. BTW, some people think thick
sponge is necessary for regluing, but a very pronounced speed glue effect
can be achieved with 1.5 to 1.7mm sponge.
John
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> Mike
>
>
watersl...@erols.com
Gao Jun uses Challenger Attack, but I don't
> know if it's 1.5 or 1.9 (Larry? Lefty? Julian?).
I don't recall, but one thing's for sure -- she doesn't speed glue.
Julian
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Julian. I saw her play once on a Canadian
satellite channel. She's not a real hard
hitter, is she?
Mike (on Gao Jun)
watersl...@erols.com
>
> I really haven't seen her play much,
> Julian. I saw her play once on a Canadian
> satellite channel. She's not a real hard
> hitter, is she?
Much more of a touch player. Mostly varied blocking, working the
opponent around and pick hitting. Of course she's a big strong girl and
is quite capable of hitting hard.
Julian
ZeroEffect25
>I believe David does use speed glue, as do some other short pips players
>such as Johnny Huang and Liu Guoliang. BTW, some people think thick
>sponge is necessary for regluing, but a very pronounced speed glue effect
>can be achieved with 1.5 to 1.7mm sponge.
>
>John
>>
>> Mike
>>
Does anyone know what thickness sponge Johnny Huang uses?
Garbage...
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Gao is quite unique in that she could be described as a "control hitter".
Her blocking technique off the bounce is so deft and varied that she is
really hitting drives all over the table to different spots with different
speeds off both pushes and loops. She was only two points reaching two
games each against US Open winner Niu Jianfeng, wasn't she?
The only two times I've even seen Gao look shaky was against the Chinese
trained Belgian long/medium pips penhold twiddler Ni (sp?) the mere
description of whose game mirrors the mess it really is ....and against
Truksa in last year's teams. She had him down but his cho-laced, self
encouraging, foam at the mouth looping onslaught overpowered Gao as she
could find enough pace or good enough locations to punch through his
energized comeback.
But, against mere 2600 rated hundred American men she can be devastating.
Lefty
watersl...@erols.com
> Gao is quite unique in that she could be described as a "control hitter".
> Her blocking technique off the bounce is so deft and varied that she is
> really hitting drives all over the table to different spots with different
> speeds off both pushes and loops. She was only two points reaching two
> games each against US Open winner Niu Jianfeng, wasn't she?
>
> The only two times I've even seen Gao look shaky was against the Chinese
> trained Belgian long/medium pips penhold twiddler Ni (sp?) the mere
> description of whose game mirrors the mess it really is ....and against
> Truksa in last year's teams. She had him down but his cho-laced, self
> encouraging, foam at the mouth looping onslaught overpowered Gao as she
> could find enough pace or good enough locations to punch through his
> energized comeback.
>
> But, against mere 2600 rated hundred American men she can be devastating.
Agreed on all counts. She had Truksa beat but he Cho-d and bullied his
way back to win. She was also overpowered by a Korean at the Worlds.
This was the same Korean she had beaten in 5 at the English Open two
years previously. She was overpowered by Ann Boileau in the semis of
that ITTF tournament. In her prime she would have beaten Boileau at 10
or something. As she has slowed down, she has showed that she can be
overpowered or out-quickened, or even out junked (but only by Ni Xia
Lian of Luxenburg), but she still has some of the best touch in the
world. We should always remember that she was once the top penholder in
the world -- world #3 player, behing Deng Yaping and Xiao Hong.
Julian
John Schneider
John Schneider
> Lefty wrote:
>
> > Gao is quite unique in that she could be described as a "control hitter".
> > Her blocking technique off the bounce is so deft and varied that she is
> > really hitting drives all over the table to different spots with different
> > speeds off both pushes and loops. She was only two points reaching two
> > games each against US Open winner Niu Jianfeng, wasn't she?
> >
> > The only two times I've even seen Gao look shaky was against the Chinese
> > trained Belgian long/medium pips penhold twiddler Ni (sp?) the mere
> > description of whose game mirrors the mess it really is ....and against
> > Truksa in last year's teams. She had him down but his cho-laced, self
> > encouraging, foam at the mouth looping onslaught overpowered Gao as she
> > could find enough pace or good enough locations to punch through his
> > energized comeback.
> >
> > But, against mere 2600 rated hundred American men she can be devastating.
>
> Agreed on all counts. She had Truksa beat but he Cho-d and bullied his
> way back to win. She was also overpowered by a Korean at the Worlds.
> This was the same Korean she had beaten in 5 at the English Open two
> years previously. She was overpowered by Ann Boileau in the semis of
> that ITTF tournament. In her prime she would have beaten Boileau at 10
> or something. As she has slowed down, she has showed that she can be
> overpowered or out-quickened, or even out junked (but only by Ni Xia
> Lian of Luxenburg),
Hasn't Gao also been "out-junked" by Geng Lijuan? Of course Ni Xia Lian,
with her short pips/long pips penhold twiddling, is trickier (junkier?)
than Geng, a shakehander with inverted and medium pips.
Larry Hodges
> Hasn't Gao also been "out-junked" by Geng Lijuan? Of course Ni Xia Lian,
> with her short pips/long pips penhold twiddling, is trickier (junkier?)
> than Geng, a shakehander with inverted and medium pips.
I don't know their career records, but the only two times I know of them
playing, Gao won: at the Pan Ams in 1999, both in the singles final, and
again during a key match in the teams. I think Gao also beat her in the
North American Championships final a couple of years ago, but I don't have
time to research it.
-Larry Hodges
John Schneider
http://www.usatt.org/news/panams1999.html
"Despite beating Geng for the first time at the recent U.S. Open, Gao
said she had no confidence against her."
From this I infer that Gao had previously played Geng (however many
times) with Geng winning. BTW, you're right Larry. Gao's (first)
victory against Geng was at the 1999 North American Championships (which,
like this year, were held in conjunction with the U.S. Open). Regarding
my original post, another player who "out-junked" Gao is Tian-Zorner
Jing.
watersl...@erols.com
>
> another player who "out-junked" Gao is Tian-Zorner
> Jing.
She's a chopper. Not a true junker like Ni! :-)
Larry Hodges
So Gao beat her at the 1999 U.S. Open, and twice at the Pan Ams - three
times in a row. Have they played since?
-Larry Hodges
John Schneider
John Schneider
Not to my knowledge.
John
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> -Larry Hodges
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Gao Jun is playing here in the States,
beating almost all the male players here.
Did we establish her sponge thickness
yet? Pips is wicked glued or unglued,
isn't it? Esp. the way the Chinese use
it.
Mike