Stiga Allround Evolution vs. Gatien Offensive
Hberlin
Currently, I'm using an allround evolution as my blade. I really enjoy
the control that the blade gives me, but find often that I can't get
enough power into my shots. I was wondering if anyone could compare the
allround evolution with the Gatien Offensive from Yasaka, particularly in
the area of control. any comments would be appreciated.
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Hberlin <hbe...@highway1.com> wrote in article
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The Gatien Offensive is definitely much faster and stiffer than the Stiga
Allround Evolution.
I had used the Stiga Offensive Classic for a couple of years and
experimented extensively with the Allround Evolution and Offensive
Evolution (discontinued). After the Stiga, I've also used the Gatien Extra
consistently for a couple years after giving up a two month experiment with
the Gatien Offensive.
The Gatien Offensive is quite controllable for a seven ply blade but imho
the Stiga Offensive blades are a little more controllable and flexible. I
found it too stiff and fast for my heavily glued game.
I'd suggest that if you're more of a looper than a hitter, stick with Stiga
blades - the Yasaka blades are very fast and stiff. But if solid blocks and
hitting are what you want, the Yasaka blades are pretty good and cheap!
Also, btw, you might want to consider other factors such as the handle of
the blade when you switch. I've always found the Stiga Legend (large flare)
handles to be very nice while Yasaka's handles seemed to be a little too
small for me. My point is that they will feel different from brand to
brand.
Ever thought of going with thicker rubber or regluing if you don't already?
The Stiga Allround Evolution would be great with reglued Mark V GPS 2.0 or
Sriver FX 1.9.
-JOwannabe
Hberlin
> The Gatien Offensive is definitely much faster and stiffer than the Stiga
> Allround Evolution.
>
> I had used the Stiga Offensive Classic for a couple of years and
> experimented extensively with the Allround Evolution and Offensive
> Evolution (discontinued). After the Stiga, I've also used the Gatien Extra
> consistently for a couple years after giving up a two month experiment with
> the Gatien Offensive.
>
>
> -JOwannabe
Thanks for replying. I've basically ruled out the Gatien Offensive, but
how would you compare the Stiga Offensive Classic with the Allround
Evolution? Right now I'm using the Evolution with Yasaka Do 2.0mm on both
sides, and find that I really enjoy the control which seems to be coming
mostly fromt he blade, but can't generate as much power as I'd like to.
I'm thinking of switching to the offensive classic with Tackifire 1.9 on
one side and Sriver-L for the other. What I'm really trying to do is come
up with a blade with comparable but perhaps slightly less control than
what I'm using that is somewhat faster. I do not want to leap to a
ridiculously fast blade with no feel.
Alan & Erin Williams
Hberlin wrote:
>
> > The Gatien Offensive is definitely much faster and stiffer than the Stiga
> > Allround Evolution.
> >
> > I had used the Stiga Offensive Classic for a couple of years and
> > experimented extensively with the Allround Evolution and Offensive
> > Evolution (discontinued). After the Stiga, I've also used the Gatien Extra
> > consistently for a couple years after giving up a two month experiment with
> > the Gatien Offensive.
> >
> how would you compare the Stiga Offensive Classic with the Allround
> Evolution? Right now I'm using the Evolution with Yasaka Do 2.0mm on both
> sides, and find that I really enjoy the control which seems to be coming
> mostly fromt he blade, but can't generate as much power as I'd like to.
> I'm thinking of switching to the offensive classic with Tackifire 1.9 on
> one side and Sriver-L for the other. What I'm really trying to do is come
> up with a blade with comparable but perhaps slightly less control than
> what I'm using that is somewhat faster. I do not want to leap to a
> ridiculously fast blade with no feel.
>
has decent feel, but not great, and you must learn to live with the
reduced response for a few weeks until you get the hang of it.
I play Offensive Classic with Sriver FH/BH and it is plenty fast, but
the short game (esp. push) suffered at first. It's not a blade you want
if you indulge in much 'over the table' play. I dropped a few feet
backward and suddenly liked the Offensive much better than when I was
close to the table.
Alan
Arno Stienen
Hberlin wrote:
> Currently, I'm using an allround evolution as my blade. I really enjoy
> the control that the blade gives me, but find often that I can't get
> enough power into my shots. I was wondering if anyone could compare the
> allround evolution with the Gatien Offensive from Yasaka, particularly in
> the area of control. any comments would be appreciated.
Aren't the Yasaka frames based on Stiga technologies. So much so, they even
look like eachother!
And isn't the Gatien Offensive "the same" as the Offensive Classic or
Offensive Evolution by Stiga?
Neither of these answers has helped you though. I can't compair them because
I've never played with Yasaka frames. Two Stiga blades are my favorites, the
Allround Classic and the Dynapower.
arNo,
Nederland.
TT Curtis
I played with allround evolution for a little more than a year and liked
it. I than switched to Gatien extra and thought it had the same control but to
me it seemed a little bit faster. I used Mark V rubber with both paddles. I
recently switched toTtibhar Alpha and like it just as much as the Gatien blade
but I prefer the handle of the Alpha because the straight handle is wider and
the Gatien handle is very narrow. The narrowness of Gatien extra was only
thing I didn`t like about it, otherwise it was great. Curtis
Ming ^_^
A good demonstration about the Yasaka Gatien Offensive
will be watching Yan sen , he use a penhold Gatien Offensive
.. according to the table-tennis pioneer 's catalog, it is
a semi-fast 7 ply blade. and above it, there are Gatien Overdrive
and Gatien carbon .. i had a Gatien carbon penhold but it is
really bad. (don't feel like it is a carbon blade) a lot of vibration
and not fast at all although the speed rating was 9.5/10
leonli
Try Butterfly Taksim, it is very fast, almost too fast, I am still trying to
get used to the speed.
(sand off the sharp edge before play)
leon
Ming ^_^ wrote in message <349700...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>...
Ming ^_^
leonli wrote:
>
> Try Butterfly Taksim, it is very fast, almost too fast, I am still trying to
> get used to the speed.
> (sand off the sharp edge before play)
>
> leon
>
I prefer the old Chinese carbon 5000's speed...
Actually the Gatien carbon penhold has a very similar construct
like Taksim, it is also 2 ply carbon + 5 ply wood and the 2 ply
carbon is a mix of wood and carbon instead of pure carbon ..
just like Taksim has carbon + arylate.. But Yasaka did not specify
that in the package or their catalog so when i bought it, i was
assuming it is has 2 pure carbon layer.. i wonder why big company like
Yasaka will not state the detail specification on this product??
Basically i think all Yasaka blade and Stiga are similar... I think they
are from the same factory in Swedeen. most of the Yasaka blades
include mine are also made in Swedeen.
Mikhail Sushchik
Ming ^_^ wrote:
>
> A good demonstration about the Yasaka Gatien Offensive
> will be watching Yan sen , he use a penhold Gatien Offensive
> .. according to the table-tennis pioneer 's catalog, it is
> a semi-fast 7 ply blade. and above it, there are Gatien Overdrive
> and Gatien carbon .. i had a Gatien carbon penhold but it is
> really bad. (don't feel like it is a carbon blade) a lot of vibration
> and not fast at all although the speed rating was 9.5/10
IMO, Gatien Carbon was the best carbon blade I have ever tried. It is
fast and solid (although maybe not as fast and solid as some other
carbon blades) but it also has a lot of control and feel. I usually have
big problem creating enough spinon my loops if I use carbon rackets but
Gatien Carbon seemed very different in this respect.
However I must say that I generally do not like carbon blades or fast
rackets in general and only tried Gatien Carbon for a few minutes.
Misha.
Ming ^_^
Mikhail Sushchik wrote:
>
> IMO, Gatien Carbon was the best carbon blade I have ever tried. It is
> fast and solid (although maybe not as fast and solid as some other
> carbon blades) but it also has a lot of control and feel. I usually have
> big problem creating enough spinon my loops if I use carbon rackets but
> Gatien Carbon seemed very different in this respect.
>
> However I must say that I generally do not like carbon blades or fast
> rackets in general and only tried Gatien Carbon for a few minutes.
>
> Misha.
I do agree Gatien carbon has better control than other carbon, but
the thing that I dislike the blade very much is becasue of
the unacceptable vibrations during ball contact, i had to use
extremely hard sponge to eliminate the vibration. The bottom line
is: A carbon blade is designed for less vibration. But Gatien Carbon
fail to accomplish this. This is my opinion....