My impression on Kim Taek Soo ...
Charles LonerSam
that these days, he doesn't tend to win any 'small tournaments at all
... :(
I think he is just concentrating on the big ones like the World Cup or
the ... well, like the past Olympics Game.
I mean, being a penhold looper, he doesn't really have many new 'killer
styles' to evolve to, which would surprise the opponents like when Liu
GuoLiang first became a super star with his 'untraditional' backside
loop.
The way he remains having a comparatively low ranking in the world (not
within top 5 to 7) while he is unarguably a fierce competitor
downheartens me a bit.
What do U think, guys? Any comments and news on him these days?
LSam
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Lawrence Au
Please don't take any offense but Kim is probably not one of my favourite
players. I mean he plays very well but it's his somewhat cocky attitude
that I don't like. In the 95 worlds against Wang Tao (aside from the
illegal glue stuff) he was backing off from the table and Wang was
smashing and Kim was lobbing. This was a crucial point and Kim's lob hit
the edge of the table leaving no chance for Wang. Instead of apologizing
for the fluke, he celebrated instead will a big "YA!" shaking his fist in
the air. He's a great player but I don't like his attitude.
: What do U think, guys? Any comments and news on him these days?
Charles LonerSam
Well, I think it was just the historical thing.
Historically, Wang Tao was never beaten by any Korean players in those
big games and Wang Tao in the 95 World Cup was the top seed for China,
that's why Kim is a bit pumped up. And besides, who wouldn't? They are
all 'fighting' for their countries! :o
Well about that game, it was really the REAL first game which convinced
me that Kim is more then a normal excellent t/t player. If U happen to
rewind the tape to watch that again and again, U would find that the
Korean is tactically, skillfully, and mentally beaten the Chinese.
What I like Kim is:
His skill -- his footwork and his keep-on-fighting mentality. See how
many games that he came from the back from down 8 to 10 pts ...
:)
LSam
G. Liu
lawr...@unixg.ubc.ca (Lawrence Au) wrote:
>Please don't take any offense but Kim is probably not one of my favourite
>players. I mean he plays very well but it's his somewhat cocky attitude
>that I don't like. In the 95 worlds against Wang Tao (aside from the
>illegal glue stuff) he was backing off from the table and Wang was
>smashing and Kim was lobbing. This was a crucial point and Kim's lob hit
>the edge of the table leaving no chance for Wang. Instead of apologizing
>for the fluke, he celebrated instead will a big "YA!" shaking his fist in
>the air.
If he had raised his hand as a gesture of "sorry" as he and others would normally
do, do you think that the very hand is araised to deliver an appology rather than a
signal of celeration one's luck? Luck edges win or lose when a competition gets
that magnitude.
G. Liu
Lawrence Au
: If he had raised his hand as a gesture of "sorry" as he and others would normally
: signal of celeration one's luck? Luck edges win or lose when a competition gets
: that magnitude.
No offense but what are you talking about?
G. Liu
A best win is to win a match by a net or edge ball in deuce in a decider game!
Remember that a competition is to test one's physical capability, performance on
skills, as well as lucks. Since luckiness is part of competition, one does not need
to appologize for his or her lucky shots. Rather, enjoying his luck after a net,
edge, or an amazing shot landing the opponent's table purely by luck is natural and
acceptable. It has nothing to do with player's attitude or sportsmanship. It is
all the competition about!
You may choose to disagree, but it is my view.
G. Liu
Eric K. Lee
From what little I've seen of Kim, he seems like a very hard worker, and
well dtermined player. He is better condition than most players, and
his dtermination at the table is "never say die" Kim would constantly
go for winners whether he was up by 15 or down by 15. I really like
him. He genereally does not seem to have a cocky attitude in general.
Lawrence Au wrote:
>
> Please don't take any offense but Kim is probably not one of my favourite
> players. I mean he plays very well but it's his somewhat cocky attitude
> that I don't like. In the 95 worlds against Wang Tao (aside from the
> illegal glue stuff) he was backing off from the table and Wang was
> smashing and Kim was lobbing. This was a crucial point and Kim's lob hit
> the edge of the table leaving no chance for Wang. Instead of apologizing
> for the fluke, he celebrated instead will a big "YA!" shaking his fist in
Irwin Pui-Yin Choy
>: If he had raised his hand as a gesture of "sorry" as he and others would normally
>: do, do you think that the very hand is araised to deliver an appology rather than a
>: signal of celeration one's luck? Luck edges win or lose when a competition gets
>: that magnitude.
Actually I don't like the term "luck". It is easy to say you lose a
match because you were unlucky and your opponent was lucky if he had
more net cord or table edge wins than yours. But why? Players who go
for the edges have more edge shots, and players who hit low and flat
shots have more net cord shots. They are taking more risk.
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e-mail: pyc...@unity.ncsu.edu, pyc...@usa.net
Master of Parks, Recreation and Tourism Management program
North Carolina State University
Irwin Pui-Yin Choy
"G. Liu" <gj...@iastate.edu> wrote:
>A best win is to win a match by a net or edge ball in deuce in a decider game!
>Remember that a competition is to test one's physical capability, performance on
>skills, as well as lucks. Since luckiness is part of competition, one does not need
>to appologize for his or her lucky shots. Rather, enjoying his luck after a net,
>edge, or an amazing shot landing the opponent's table purely by luck is natural and
>acceptable. It has nothing to do with player's attitude or sportsmanship. It is
>all the competition about!
>
>You may choose to disagree, but it is my view.
In tennis it is expected that you apologize, however slightly, for a
point won after a net cord hit.
Lawrence Au
: Kim and Wang are long time rivals.
: Wang is known to be especially good against Korean players.
: Just before the quarter final, Wang defeated Kim in the deciding match of
: the
: team semi-final between Korea-China. You can imagine the fierce agony and
: outrage Kim would have felt after the defeat.
Whatever. I see that your name is also Kim. Perhaps you suffered that
fierce agony and outrage at the hands of some Chinese players as well
which is why you seem to be able to understand Kim Taek Soo's situation
so well.
Besides, Wang is a close to
: table attacker who doesn't need to move much, whereas Kim is a hard
: working all court player. Probably Kim will sweat 3 times as much as Wang
: does during their game.
Perhaps. So what?
: Considering that, won't you hail with a big YA if you won that important
: point by such a luck if you're in his position?
The fact of the matter is that his action was unprofessional. Simple as that.
What you are trying to do now is to provide an excuse for what Kim did by
saying it was understandable given the circumstances but that does not
change the fact that winning an important point that you should have lost
on a fluke and then celebrating is unprofessional.
: In addition, it was not Kim but Yoo Nam Kyu in a match with MaWenge in the
: 4th match of team's semi who YAed with the edge ball to win the match by
: 22-20 in the deciding game. Remember, that was not a singles event but a
: team match which was far more important. And Korea was trailed by 1-2
: against the home team China with over 10,000 fans cheering all for the
: home team. If it had been in a singles match, surely Yoo would have
: expressed his sorry for the edge but a team match is a different matter.
So Yoo is unprofessional too I see. I guess we'll never know what Yoo
might have done but that is besides the point. I prefer to analyze what
Yoo actually did. He WON the game on an edge and celebrated. That seems
even more unprofessional to me that what Kim did. I believe that was a
point where Yoo was pushed quite far back from the table as well.
: Of course Kim lacked the political sense to show his compassion to Wang
: after he won the game so that he made the same impression you felt to the
: powerful Chinese officials.
I don't think Wang needs Kim's sympathy.
: As a result he was disqualified because he
: beated their hero Wang. Kim had been using the so-called "illegal glue"
: without being disqualified in the earlier matches until he handily beated
: Wang, threatening the gold monopoly of China because he was the highest
: ranked player in the semis with Kong, Ryu and Ding. I guess Wang would not
: have felt good even if he advanced to semi by the regretful decision of
: the ITTF.
What I heard (in an article by Gary Ruderman in the Paddle Palace
catalog) is that Kim's paddle was tested numerous times before without
any problems and it was only in the match against Wang that his paddle
was found to have illegal glue.
: Kim is the most sincere, hard working, favorite table-tennis player in
: Korea. His attidude towards tabletennis is very much dedicated far beyond
: Be careful when you make a comment against someone like him.
Excuse me?! What did you say?! I made a comment on him about his
unprofessional attitude in celebrating a fluke and you are telling me to
"be careful"?! Is that a threat or something? In your post, you are
accusing the "powerful Chinese officials" of being poor sports and
vindictive crybabies who are out to get Kim for defeating a Chinese
player. I think it is you who should "be careful" when you make a comment
against the integrity of Chinese Table Tennis.
: Dongkyun Kim
Lawrence
Snuttc
Dear Lawrence Au,
Kim and Wang are long time rivals.
Wang is known to be especially good against Korean players.
Just before the quarter final, Wang defeated Kim in the deciding match of
the
team semi-final between Korea-China. You can imagine the fierce agony and
outrage Kim would have felt after the defeat. Besides, Wang is a close to
table attacker who doesn't need to move much, whereas Kim is a hard
working all court player. Probably Kim will sweat 3 times as much as Wang
does during their game.
Considering that, won't you hail with a big YA if you won that important
point by such a luck if you're in his position?
In addition, it was not Kim but Yoo Nam Kyu in a match with MaWenge in the
4th match of team's semi who YAed with the edge ball to win the match by
22-20 in the deciding game. Remember, that was not a singles event but a
team match which was far more important. And Korea was trailed by 1-2
against the home team China with over 10,000 fans cheering all for the
home team. If it had been in a singles match, surely Yoo would have
expressed his sorry for the edge but a team match is a different matter.
Of course Kim lacked the political sense to show his compassion to Wang
after he won the game so that he made the same impression you felt to the
powerful Chinese officials. As a result he was disqualified because he
beated their hero Wang. Kim had been using the so-called "illegal glue"
without being disqualified in the earlier matches until he handily beated
Wang, threatening the gold monopoly of China because he was the highest
ranked player in the semis with Kong, Ryu and Ding. I guess Wang would not
have felt good even if he advanced to semi by the regretful decision of
the ITTF.
Kim is the most sincere, hard working, favorite table-tennis player in
Korea. His attidude towards tabletennis is very much dedicated far beyond
the scope of an amateur.
Be careful when you make a comment against someone like him.
Dongkyun Kim
Snuttc
If you have the video tape from Reflex sports, watch again the game
between Kim and Wang in the 95' world quarter in men's single. And try to
find out whether there was a circumstance that in an important point Kim
lobbed and celebrated with a big YA after the ball hit the edge(which you
call a fluke). Don't accuse a sincere hard-working man "cocky" on the
basis of an imaginary occasion.
Dongkyun