m.atanovich <m.ata...@cox.net> wrote in message
As a player I can confidently say that glass tops suck. The worst
(a) You cannot lubricate the (inner) telescopic rod without removing the
glass, so the
bars are usually stiff as ****!
(b) The glare from lighting, or poorly-cleaned surfaces makes visibility
(c) When the ball goes dead you need to lift the table with the rods to
cue badly bent 2-rods in particular as the typical bar player has not the
wit to push them in first.
I think they meant the table surface was glass. It is a local idiom to say
glass top, not to be confused with bubble top. Of course now I have seen
recently a "flat glass" covered foos table and will have to change my way
of talking in riddles/nonsense.
Boris <bo...@netgates.co.uk> wrote in message
One of the tables I learned on (ca. 1970) was a "Vulcan" -- wire-mesh
reinforced glass playing surface, skinny-footed little men, 10 cents/play IIRC.
Push-kick timing (was my shot back then) had to be dead on perfect to go.
Good lesson in timing. :-)
Mostly, though, it was the Deutscher-Meister (sp?) varieties (square-footed
hollow-rodded) that got me going (before there was a Tournament Soccer).
Anybody else play the old DM textured-surface tables (zzzzzip-BANG)?
And while I do like the sound of the whipshot goal on the high-end Tornados,
the old DM "wood-block" goals were loud enough to make the bowlers stop and
look over to see what just broke. :-) Too bad there weren't any round
foosballs before 1996 or so! :-)
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Thanks for the memories! I guess I played my first foos while waiting for
my turn to bowl in Saturday morning league -- would've been '68-'69...
I still remember the game: "Nuts" Knutson asked me to play, and then
stomped me badly with such amazing tricks as "bouncing the ball off the side
wall" and "shooting the ball into the goal." :-)
By the time I got out of high school, I was playing foos instead of going
to class, laying awake nights, practicing in my mind -- I was truly
obsessed. Who knows? If I'd have just stuck with it, I might've made
literally HUNDREDS of dollars by now! :-)
Foosball dried up and blew away for 20 years, or so it seems, and goodness
knows it is hardly the same game I remember. Nobody shoots any curves on
Tornado (can't get the ball to spin sideways like on TS?), and the then-
popular "back-pin" series is more of a joke now than anything... Not
many bank shots, either, at least in my recent experience. (...wonder why?)
I went to play in last year's Iowa State Championships. Hopes were high,
at least on the drive down there. :-) I got to watch Nathan Winter do
his thing. Unbe-freaking-leivable! No wonder he's in the top 10!
In the DYP, I was lucky to play with the very talented Scott Bauer (who
was disappointed, at first, since he didn't know me from Adam.) We
ended up doing just "OK," a spot or two out of the $$$. Great player, Scott!
Now, the question for the group: should I focus on perfecting my Snake?
...or working the Big Pull?
(Heh -- how's THAT for a troll! :-)
Foospaul replies: I played on one of those dynamo glass tops back in
the late 70's as well. As someone already mentioned, the main reason
they are no longer around is due to the fact that the glass top would
eventually shatter into a million pieces (as I found out first hand)
when the ball gets stubbed on a fan shot like a booming pullkick. I
don't think I have ever been in such shock when that top shattered. I
left that arcade in 1 second, if not sooner.
I remember the goals being larger than T.S. tables, and the balls
were pinkish brown, and tackier than the T.S. white plastic balls.
Thanks for bringing back cool memories. Also makes me feel too old
"Foospaul" <spric...@jps.net> wrote in message
Are you sure this was a Dynamo table? Foosmanchu's foosball glossary
Hurricane: The touring tournament table before the TS tables.
Bonzini's "French vs. German tables" document says:
"There are a few tables that have some characteristics of both
styles, such as the brown-top Tournament Soccer...Other tables
that also had some of the characteristics of both included
early versions of Dynamo, and Hurricane and Challenger."
and an old page from Foosball.com says:
"Cabinet-game veterans at the Irving Kaye Sales Corp entered the
soccer table arena in 1969 with their Super Soccer table The firm.
which has been a prominent manufacturer of pool tables since the 50s.
lent its carpentry/amusement skills to the new game concept and came
out with a piece that offered a number of exclusives at that time,
including a slide-out playfield for maintenance ease and a one-piece
The Super Soccer also featured such things as metal ends bolted to the
cabinet corners to insure sturdiness under vigorous play. an all-steel
cash-box and secured ball mechanism. The cash-box could be reached by
the routeman without opening the machine. Kaye's tables were a product
of a company which was a long time in the business of making equipment
for the operating industry and they were well received .
The Hurricane ''American-styled'' table followed the Super Soccer
table shortly thereafter. This line was essentially designed in
response to actual player suggestions on improvements on machines in
operation in American locations at that time. according to Kaye
Company's Howard Kaye. The result was the classic product now well
known to the industry. Weighing in at 375 Ibs. the Hurricane table
features textured glass playfield for better ball control. special
compound balls, counterbalanced ''men'' on the chrome plated rods and
an improved playfield shape to offer players far more accuracy when
banking a shot, according to Kaye . . a result of their expertise in
pool table manufacture."
Those were the days!
There wasn't much I couldn't do shooting the ball on those tables. The
square-toe player figures were so simple and allowed easy execution of any
and all types of shots---and consistency wasn't a problem.
When I started playing on Tornado tables I had a hell of a time adapting to
the curved foot on the player figures.
Now days, Dynamo player figure's are much like the Tornado, but in my
opinion, with several improvements. They squared off the problem
curvatures, which allows for much more consistency.
The only problems with the current Dynamo player figures are that they don't
fit the rods as tightly and consistently as the Tornado figures, which
effects the balls bounce-off. I think they widened the foot slightly as
well, which might help catching passes, but it ultimately adds difficulty
shooting some shots. The wider the player figure the more technique that is
required to square the ball, especially while shooting a pull shot.
Valley needs to fix those Tornado player figures. They know what the
problem is--just don't want to make any changes.
"Torzini Bonado" <torzin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
"G. S. Hayes" <sjde...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
At that time, the newer brown top Dynamo's were available but we all
preferred to play on those older dinosaur foosball tables. They were hard
to find around here in operating condition even at that time. I turned down
offers of $500 for that table the day was in the process of replacing it on
location with the new Tornado. I turned the offer down because I wasn't
completely convinced that the Tornado table would go over here. Eventually,
the Tornado was excepted and those old tables quickly became closet
material. Over the following several years I sold and bought that table
locally a number of times. I bought it back again recently and was thinking
about trying to restore it in someway. Someone contacted me the other day
looking for an old glass-top table so I snapped those pictures of the table
and put them on the site for the interested buyer. Today the table is
probably gone for good, it's over 100 miles away somewhere in middle
Tennessee with a proud new owner.
At a couple different times, I did try to have some retro tournaments. Not
much interest. And those old tables wouldn't hold up to the way players can
play on the Tornado---the player figures crumble.
The inner portion of that table is only accessible after opening a panel at
it's end and sliding the playfield out through it.
Did you notice some of the rods are now on the table positioned wrong?
"Phillip Cantrell" <TuffUz...@webtv.net> wrote in message