The most unprofessional act I have ever seen
TBONE
watching the finals of Terry, Bobby, Trevor and Louie. And to know
ones suprise, a little short fragile beak nosed punk that calls
himself the greatest foosball player of all time happen to walk up to
the pit table and started to heckel the team of Trevor and Louie. If i
recall his statement; it went something like this, "You guys will
always be known as the team that got second. Why don't you all go post
that on the web". He said all this while flipping his unemployment
money that he seemed so willing to lose.
Johnny, you are the most pathetic excuse for a Human being/foosball
Player I have ever witnessed. I would like you to know that if i never
see you at a tournament again, it would only be an improvement for the
sport. There are plenty of professional foosball players that set
exsamples for our younger generation of players. Why they ever let
your sorry ass back into the sport we may never know. You do not
deserve to play against players such as Tracy, Terry, Bobby,
Trevor,Tom, Todd, Ron, Adrian and all the other top caliber players
that we have the pleasure of watching.
How can you call yourself the greatest player of all time!!?? I
watched you get your ass whipped in the fifth game by Don Swan. The
greatest player in the world would have never lost.
You know what the bad thing is? You have so much talent. The problem
is you waste most of it talking trash from that tiny little beak
looking for some kind of reaction from the stands that you forget all
about your game.
I have taken all of my tapes with you on them and have set fire to
them in my Backyard. My dog is out there pissing on the embers right
now.
Love,
Johnny Hater
Louis Cartwright
if it was about me he said nah hes just talking. I said right away better
not be about me or id take care of it directly after the match. Believe me I
was in the frame of mind had I known right after shaking hands I would have
grabbed him by the neck and taken/dragged his ass outside and beat the shit
out of him. On another note im calmed down now and glad i didnt=)
Louis
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Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.
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Kyle Stall
After seeing Johnny a few times and playing against him, you'll realize that
it's just another aspect of his game that he has perfected. If you learn
not to hear Johnny when he speaks it can help you play him and not get
intemadated. His foosball skills are why he desirves yo play with the BIG
dogs, not because of his mouth. There are plenty of poeple that maybe
shouldn't play this game because of their actions of the table, Johnny is
just one of them. Did you lose to him or something?
Kyle
Randy Stolzberg
> You know what the bad thing is? You have so much talent. The problem
> is you waste most of it talking trash from that tiny little beak
> looking for some kind of reaction from the stands that you forget all
> about your game.
The above paragraph says it all. The first tour event I ever attended
was the 1994 U.S. Open in Clevland. Johnny just got out of rehab for
the upteenth time and was drinking black coffee all weekend, all he
did was whip everyone in sight,I saw him whip Loffredo and not open
his mouth once, he could have been right up there with Moore and
Loffredo as the greatest of the last ten years (IMHO). I think hes
lost the mental capacity to solely concentrate on the game.
He gets so involved in psychological strategy that he loses his own
center and forgets the primary objective:to give your own best effort
not to sabotage someone else's. He gets so caught up in putting
someone mentally off-balance that in the process he falls off balance
too and it just doesnt work against the top players in Foosball.
T-bone, sign your name to your posts or it will appear that you are
intimidated by him. You'll get no respect by completely dogging
someone anonymously.
Randy Stolzberg
Greg Whiting
who he was looking at, and to whom it was directed. JH looked past
Terry to look at you two. He was DEFINITELY speaking to Trevor, if
not to the both of you. Trevor has had the misfortune of a couple of
double-dips in the Finals of majors and that is what I believe JH was
referring to. You (Louis) have won Major titles, so it might be that
JH was only referring to Trevor.
A lot of people make excuses on behalf of JH that he is really a nice
guy off the table and such, but I have too many times seen and heard
him make comments as the one he made in the Pit and have come to
realize that he is not so much playing to the crowd as he is just
being an idiot (not harsh enough, but will suffice for now). Swan
plays to the crowd and is respectful, JH does not.
I agree with JH (Johnny Hater) that things like this ought to be dealt
with as they have no place in the sport and will do nothing, but give
others the feeling that it is ok to emulate. We somewhat accept JH
because there is only one and we can ignore him. What if he rubs off
on the newer players, or attracts those types, to the game? How easy
will it be to ignore 4, 5, or 10 of him? I, for one, hope I never
have to answer that question.
My 2 cents,
Greg Whiting
TBONE
I' not looking for respect. Obviosly there needs to be more
clarification for my posting. Johnny at one time was one of my
favorite players to watch. As we all know he can put on a great show.
I have no issues talking someone out of their game if they will let
you. I try it all the time in fact. Although, the game i'm talking
about he was not part of in anyway, shape or form.
Stolzberg and Stahl, this question is for you (Please don't take this
personal, its not intended that way). What if you were playing against
Terry and Bobby as a team and you had won the winners bracket knowing
that the odds of playing them again are really great???... Low and
behold its the second set of the finals and your down two games and
this individual walks up that has nothing to do with your match starts
holloring that you will always be a second rate player and by the way
he's saying it you know he means it(in a nutshell that you suck and
thats why you can't win first). How would you react?
You guys know our sport has really received a poor image for behavior
like this from past events. In Austin this past weekend i noticed some
high level individuals from IBM in the stands watching this kind of
behavior form one of our Top Players. What kind of taste do you think
they left with in their mouth? Truthfully, if i knew nothing about the
sport and was representing IBM as an observer to see how our money was
benefiting us, I would have second thoughts. We have become fortunate
to have companies giving us huge cash to back these tournaments so
people like you and I can continue to enjoy this sport.
Foosball over the years has dwindeled away. Things are being done by
NASTA and other individuals across the country to make a huge come
back. This means we all must come together to keep this type of
behavior from happening.
I admit things I wrote in my first post may have been a little strong.
But, it just drives me crazy to see alot of people come together to
put on a great show with other peoples money and when they get there
to observe, this is the represention we have to offer.
I have never had an intelligent conversation with Johnny, so i have no
idea what his intelect can carry. Although, i have no doubt in my mind
he can represent our sport just as good as anyone.
And once again, I am not looking for respect out of this matter. This
has nothing to do for respect with me, but it has to do with our sport
as a whole. In the past i have almost lost my marriage my job and God
only knows what else trying to make that DYP or World Championships
with my last penny. All of you out there know what the hell i'm
talking about here. My commitment is there and i will do my part as a
player, fan , contributor or what ever you want to call it.
I think it takes a real man to take resonsibility for the things he
says or does. The thing i posted yesterday about Johhny were out of
pure fustration and i hope i have explained my point in the matter. I
sencerly apologize for venting in such a manor it was not right and i
could have taken a more professional aproach. So, in retrospect, i
accept full responsibility for my own actions.
Tony Martinez
AKA TBONE
weave
> >
Snortin Hortin
Thats what I said good old snorty. Dont get me wrong I have did my
fair share of chemicals playing foos but johnny just dont get it. Its not how
mad your skills are that makes you great. Its evrerything that makes you great
like the way you act. If you put a muzzle on johnny he would be a great player
but as soon as it comes off you would realize that he sucks as a sportsman.
So in other words he is not the greatest player because sometime he wins
cause he talks you out of your game intimidation is the word im searching for
and that is wrong. cmon self proclaimed greatest player in the world act like it
I will bet johnny cant keep his mouth shut and win like a real champion. It is
soooooooo bad for the game of foosball for a player to act like a a-hole like
johnny does I know he is not the only one but he is the worst of the worst.
so my point is johny horton good player bad sportsman very bad for the game
of foosball.
p.s johnny if you hapen to read this a good role model for you to look at
is Ron Sipora or Trevor Park or king Louie i could go on forever but here
is just a few.
weave
Louis Cartwright
Louis
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Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.
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Pat Goff
Thanks for the well written piece.
I am going to attempt as best as I can to put this into some sort of
understandable fashion.
First, I would like everyone to know, that had this issue been brought to
the attention of anyone on staff at the stage, it would have been dealt with
with extreme measures. The first I and others on staff heard about it was
when you brought it up. It will never be tolerated at a NATSA event, by
anyone. Cheering for your buddies is certainly encouraged, but heckling is
never tolerated, ever.
Please, if this kind of conduct is ever witnessed again, please bring it to
our attention, and it will be dealt with.
Again, thanks again Tony.
Pat
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mark murray
teams head is almost secondary.
But as much as everyone complains about him, who's playing the match in the
middle of that crowd? Yep JH
It's kind of like a car crash, nobody seems to like them, but seems
everybody slows down to check it out.
There's tons of guys bad mouthing the other team at the Nationals, let them
know if there going too far and it's going outside, is somebody really
intimidated by him? I mean really he's only what 5'9.
I have never had a problem with him in our matches or reffn his games at the
nationals. I hate to admit it but I slow down to see the crash, oops I mean
match.
Mark Murray
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was watching it.
Cptm
gifted foosball player, with many titles to his credit, his behavior is
unacceptable...I have told Beine in the past that I can not beleive he is able
to put up with that for a whole weekend...BUT, I have been to 4 Majors in the
last couple years, and there are MANY Pro-Master players who represent the
sport poorly....whether it is poor dress, Alcohol use, drug use, profanity
etc...there are many that are terrible representatives for this game....this
game needs a few extra Gummesons, McMillans, Beines (soory guys, had to say
it), Moores, Ricos, Fernandos, Trevors, Mares etc...people that act like adults
MOST of the time, and if Stuart Scott from ESPN interviewed them, you would not
be embarrassed to show your non-foosball friends the tape...
ANYWAY, Johnny is over the top, BUT there are many that need to curb their
behaviors...IMHO
Pat Myers
Columbus, Ohio
Boris
weave wrote:
I may be wrong, but didn't JH challenge Frederico (one who, unlike Johnny, is a great ambassador for the game) to
a side bet of $1000 on their match at Vegas last year. Rico won 3-0 (so Rob tells me) - did Johnny pay up?
If the guys from IBM were there, they would, as Tony rightly says, be unimpressed. Aren't there rules - or
tournament by-laws - about this sort of thing?
If not, why not? If so, why are they not enforced?
Yes, the game needs crowdpleasing characters like Johnny, like McEnroe in tennis, and like Alex Higgins in
snooker. But when did you see McEnroe interfering in a game between two other players?
Boris
Randy Stolzberg
Tony, your first post was great and your second post was better. There
was no reason for you to apologize for being too harsh or venting.
Some people might know you as TBONE but I dont, thats why I wanted you
to sign your post.
> Stolzberg and Stahl, this question is for you (Please don't take this
> personal, its not intended that way). What if you were playing against
>
I' m not taking it personally and I totally understand what you are
saying (about how he wasant even involved in the match and walked by
saying what he said).
Firstly, if it was me playing in the match, I wouldnt react at all. I
have a tape of myself playing JH in a mixed match in NY and I wont
even go through the litany of things he was saying directly at me to
try and break my concentration and I did not react once which burned
him up even more. After the match was over (which we won :) he did
come over and say "hey man, great match, everything said on the table
is for the table" this happened to be the tournament where he got
thrown off tour the last time for yelling at a minister or something.
Secondly, when he does something like he did to LC and TP its all part
of a bigger mental game plan, to get in someones head and use it
psychologically in a future match, he probably knows it wont work on
LC but TP is still young, and a top player and JH knows that he needs
any edge he can get if they play each other in the future.
Lastly, I always loved watching him play too, and I believe in
gamesmanship (not trash-talking)(Collignon uses gamesmanship,delays,
arm movements, table taps etc.) but JH crosses the line when he gets
personal and I think its only a matter of time before his behavior has
him thrown off tour again.
Randy Stolzberg
Foosnut2
> Aren't there rules - or
>tournament by-laws - about this sort of thing?
>
>If not, why not? If so, why are they not enforced?
>
Actually, referee Terry Rue DID tell Johnny that if he didn't stop right then
he (Terry) would expel Johhnny from the tournament room. This is an official's
right to remove a heckler from the location or even the hotel, if necessary. I
truly think that it was the threat of being pummeled to death by several
attendees that shut Johnny up. Sad, there's nothing worse than a 40+ year old
child who has nothing to live for except foosball and fading glory years.
Jim (Full-Ninja-Snap) McKenney
mark murray
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Kyle Stall
While I don't agree with Johnny's personal agenda most of the time, I learn
to tolerate it. While Johnny is definately not the class act that Dave
Gummeson or Tom Yore is, his talent on the table is very good for the game.
What they dhould do is fine all offending players for curseing, argueing,
etc. This will stop most of the players, if enforced correctly.
Kyle
Pat Goff
I'm sorry, but this time you are dead wrong. There is no amount of talent
that can justify his actions. When you "tolerate" it, then that's the same
thing as condoning it, and in that warped sense of reality, that's the same
thing as encouraging it.
The only mistake made in Austin was someone not informing the staff of the
incidents. We were all instructed to uphold a zero tolerance for actions
not according, and if we'd have known, he would have been escorted right out
the door. It's unfortunate that the first time I heard about it was here in
the N.G.
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