Frederico and his damn front pin.
Travis Higdon
Clipped from the "push shot" thread...
>You are right, no one is copying him because they can't. Why, because the
>front pin shot is not an easy shot to learn especially the way Frederico
>dances that ball around.
Okay, I've heard nothing buy praise for this shot, and now I want to see it.
The front pin is one of my favorites simply because I don't have a clue how
to execute it with any results. Frederico gets props for mastering this shot
and I would love to see some video footage of it. Does anyone know where
some downloadable movies could be found? I'm not quite to the stage where
I'm buying foos videos, but it may come to that.
Thanks,
Travis
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The Bryn
center as you might expect, and the videos have many close ups of him shooting
and scoring with amazing proficiency.
The Euro pin is the shot of the future for all of us. The pull and snake shot
just don't cut it when compared to the Euro pin. I should also warn you that
the shot is incredibly difficult to learn. I have been practicing it for weeks
with only a slight improvement.
Frederico is the future of the game, although this opinion has as much to do
with his incredible all round game as it does with just one shot, expecially
his ability to pass from the 2 to the 5-bar.
Until you get the video, here are the basics gleaned from many rewinds and
frame by frame looks from the 1999 Worlds. Pin the ball in front like the
american front pin, snake or rollover. Grip: thumb on top of the handle,
forearm straight up and down, fingers wrapped around underneath. Grip the fat
part of the handle. To shoot, move the rod either toward or away from you such
that the man is no longer touching the ball and is free to shoot. Do this
slowly at first and use as much distance on the table as possible. Allow the
ball to roll toward where your man is waiting to shoot. Extend the fingers such
that they are pointing straight down, and push your hand straight down about an
inch to an inch and a half. This will result in the man moving behind the ball.
When the ball is in front of your man, simply to lift the hand straight up and
catch the rod with the fingers. This should propel the ball into the net. This
type of shooting motion is often called the palm roll. Practice, practice,
practice.
But get a video 'cause there is so much more to this shot than just the act of
shooting it. Collignon throws in fakes, taps and spins that could drive a man
to drink.
Hope this helps.
Bryn
Travis Higdon
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Thanks for the highlights. I think I have the mechanics of the shot down,
it's just difficult to execute in a game setting. Do most front pin shooters
shoot open handed (palm roll)? I've seen a few shoot it closed and they
shoot pretty well.
> But get a video 'cause there is so much more to this shot than just the
act of
> shooting it. Collignon throws in fakes, taps and spins that could drive a
man
> to drink.
Yea, this is what I'm really after. I want to get a feel for some of the
options with this shot and see why it's so lethal when done right. You're
not the first to recommend this video, so I may have to break down and pick
it up.
Thanks again,
Travis
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"Travis Higdon" <hig...@u.arizona.NOSPAM.edu> wrote:
> The Bryn <bawa...@ucalgary.ca> wrote in message
> news:387ABBD4...@ucalgary.ca...
>
> Thanks for the highlights. I think I have the mechanics of the shot
down,
> it's just difficult to execute in a game setting. Do most front pin
shooters
> shoot open handed (palm roll)? I've seen a few shoot it closed and
they
> shoot pretty well.
Go to www.bonziniusa.com for some really informative front pin
techniques and tips.
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Before you buy.
Bruce Nardoci
complained about the Tornado table's lack of certain playing
characteristics on here several times in the past, and indicated that
playing on tables that allowed additional characteristics (such as the
French style Bonzini and Rene Pierre) made the game much more complex,
much more "mental", and a lot more variety, all of which leads to a
better and more enjoyable game for both players and spectators. No one
believed me, because the only experience the vast majority of foosball
players on this newsgroup have are with Tornado tables, so they couldn't
truly understand what I was saying. Now that Frederico is showing you
SOME of what I'm talking about, I hope people can start to grasp what
I've been talking about and that what I've been saying will start to
take hold.
BELIEVE ME, the front pin stuff you're seeing Frederico do is just the
tip of the iceberg of the things that are possible to do on foosball
tables that have the additional playing characteristics I've been
talking about (things like consistent banking, pin passing, and various
other capabilities addition control affords you to do. The game is just
so much more fun with these additional capabilities. I urge players to
demand that manufacturers add these capabilities to their tables if they
lack them. The world of foosball will be much better for it.
BTW, I don't think you'll see the front pin become a major shot on
Tornado tables, for a couple reasons 1) its an extremely hard shot to
learn to execute (much easier to learn a competitive rollover or pull),
and it is doubly worse than other shots like pulls and rollovers because
its so easy to have "tells" in your motion that will tip off a good
goalie as to where you're going to shoot (this isn't a problem for
Frederico, because he's good enough at the shot that his tells are
minimal, and mainly that Tornado goalies don't play enough against that
shot to recognize the tells anyway); and 2) the shot is very hard to
shoot effectively on Tornado (even for players that have been shooting
that shot on other tables their main shot all their lives) because the
table doesn't afford enough "grippiness" to execute the shot fast and
wide enough on changes of directions, which are much more easily
possible on tables that have this grippiness like the French style and
Lowen Soccer, etc. Before anyone says what I'm saying is not true
because of what Frederico does, be aware that he is a unique exception
(there are MANY other Europeans who shoot essentially as well as
Frederico on their tables, but are reduced to novices by the Tornado
table's playing characteristics).
There are several other ways to do the front pin besides the way
Frederico does (closed hand vs palm roll, pull series vs walking in the
middle, etc.). Actually, each person who shoots the shot usually gives
it their own distinctive style (of the players I've been playing against
for a long time, I can usually tell who's shooting (on video tapes I
have) without being able to see the person, just from their subtle
"style" differences. Its a very fascinating and complex shot.
As to where to see the Front Pin in action, besides the Inside Foos
videos that have Frederico on them, http://www.bonziniusa.com will soon
be selling a CD-ROM on the french style of play ("Encyclopedia", which
includes demos of the basic shots, etc.), and you can download/view
"trial" portions of it for free at the site (see the "Accessories"
page). Also, stop by a Bonzini USA tournament sometime and see it (as
well as the other playing capabilities I'm talking about) in person. Oh,
for a more detailed description of the additional playing
characteristics I'm talking about, see the "French vs. German" link on
the home page of the Bonzini USA website.
End of soapbox for another year.
> But get a video 'cause there is so much more to this shot than just the act of
> shooting it. Collignon throws in fakes, taps and spins that could drive a man
> to drink.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Bryn
>
> Travis Higdon wrote:
>
> > Clipped from the "push shot" thread...
> > >You are right, no one is copying him because they can't. Why, because the
> > >front pin shot is not an easy shot to learn especially the way Frederico
> > >dances that ball around.
> >
> > Okay, I've heard nothing buy praise for this shot, and now I want to see it.
> > The front pin is one of my favorites simply because I don't have a clue how
> > to execute it with any results. Frederico gets props for mastering this shot
> > and I would love to see some video footage of it. Does anyone know where
> > some downloadable movies could be found? I'm not quite to the stage where
> > I'm buying foos videos, but it may come to that.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Travis
> >
Roy Gourgi
Is this shot supposed to be more effective than the snake on the Tornado or
just on the Bonzini and Rene de Pierre. I believe that maybe it might be
more effective on the Bonzini or Rene de Pierre but certainly not on the
Tornado.
I used to do the Euro pin first and unless I was not doing it properly, I
found that the snake is much deadlier simply because it is faster to
execute. Common sense tells you that if you make a full circle vs making a
half circle one way and then the other way, the former would be faster.
My snake shot is pretty deadly with cuts on either side and it is second to
none (trust me on this one), though I admit I prefer the cut on the push
side then on the pull side.
On the Bonzini or Rene de Pierre table it might be a different story though
because the tables are different and the men, shapes and weights are
different. Furthermore, the snake is not as efficient as it is on the
Tornado.
The Bryn wrote in message <387ABBD4...@ucalgary.ca>...
LV
else than the, what you call European Front Pin, and like he said, there are
a tremendously numbers of players, who realy can compete with Frederic
Colignon. However I must admit that he's the best player in our country for
the moment, but he can be beaten, certainly in a double's play. The fact
that he became the world champion for the 2nd time, gave everybody the idee
, that we players from Belgium must be the foosball country in the world. It
is just a pitty that you don't know our fabulous foosball-tables Jupiter,
with wooden men and cork balls. If you wan't to learn more about Belgian
Foosball, check out this website http://users.skynet.be/btlba and follow the
results of Frederico's team (MTV Kortessem in one of our National Divisions)
Roy Gourgi <ro...@sympatico.ca> schreef in berichtnieuws
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Roy Gourgi
no way in hell that Frederick would be able to do Euro pin on this table and
score on me. I would destroy him hands down with my snake shot.
LV wrote in message <85il7q$hhq$1...@news0.skynet.be>...
Ciara Lynch
It's not often the a player who so dominated the world championships gets so
little respect. I would hope you really do have one hell of snake shot, because
the best snake shots in the world cannot score very often on the great defence
Collignon puts up.
My advice to you would be to get the 1999 Worlds video from insidefoos and
learn a little more before you display more cyber bravado. It truly is an
amazing shot.
The Bryn
foo...@nodamnspam.bellatlantic.net
Roy Gourgi wrote:
> Well I play on a Dynamo Stryker which is very similar to a Tornado. There is
> no way in hell that Frederick would be able to do Euro pin on this table and
> score on me. I would destroy him hands down with my snake shot.
>
Roy, I don't know how often you play on a tornado, to make a comparison like
that but I can tell you that I play equally on each and there is a major
difference, especially when it come to any kind of front pin shot.... The
Striker has more grip on the ball and definetly more ability to shoot a "euro"
front pin.. (I hate the "euro" why can't we just drop it and call it what it is?
A front pin shot...)
Brance :)_S
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>...because the best snake shots in the world cannot score
>very often on the great defence Collignon puts up.
Rob managed 3 in one game - out of 4x 3-bar possessions,
but was outdone by FC's 5-bar and passing.
X take note.
Boris
Rocky Willson
the Euro-Front pin very adaptable to the table. I think the Striker table is
very similiar to the Tornado, but the difference tends toward the tables that
are BETTER for the euro front-pin.
I had a number of players comment on how well I shot my front pin series on the
table. I was beating a lot of players I don't on the Tornado.
With very little practice, I think that Fredrico would do quite well on the
table.
........................................Rocky Willson
Bruce Nardoci
Roy Gourgi wrote:
>
> I have a few questions and reservations regarding the Euro pin vs Snake
>
> Is this shot supposed to be more effective than the snake on the Tornado or
> just on the Bonzini and Rene de Pierre. I believe that maybe it might be
> more effective on the Bonzini or Rene de Pierre but certainly not on the
> Tornado.
>
> I used to do the Euro pin first and unless I was not doing it properly, I
> found that the snake is much deadlier simply because it is faster to
> execute. Common sense tells you that if you make a full circle vs making a
> half circle one way and then the other way, the former would be faster.
>
> My snake shot is pretty deadly with cuts on either side and it is second to
> none (trust me on this one), though I admit I prefer the cut on the push
> side then on the pull side.
>
> On the Bonzini or Rene de Pierre table it might be a different story though
> because the tables are different and the men, shapes and weights are
> different. Furthermore, the snake is not as efficient as it is on the
> Tornado.
>
> (clipped)
The Front Pin shot is only effective (on any table) if it can be done
properly. It is very difficult to do it "properly" on a Tornado table,
so no, it's not a better shot to use on Tornado, simply because you're
not likely to be able to shoot it well enough. It can be done properly
on many other types of tables, like Bonzini, Rene Pierre, Jupiter,
Stella, and a bunch more. The snake shot can also be shot effectively on
Bonzini & Rene Pierre, as well as most other tables (although it is
actually illegal per the Bonzini USA rules since it's considered a
"spin"; but the snake shot is legal per the Bonzini rules used in
France.
On an ideal table where both the front pin and the snake could both be
done properly, which would be the better shot? Well, there are
advantages to both shots. The snake, besides being much easier to learn
and to shoot, is generally a faster shot and is easier to shoot
consistently accurately. However, the front pin has the advantage of
being able to use fakes to "create" holes in the defense, or to maneuver
the ball around in front of the goal causing the defense to have to
adjust (and again possibly cause new holes to open up). With the snake
(or pull shot for that matter), you don't really have a lot of ability
to do such "fakes" and maneuvers, so you're basically trying to hit what
hole the defense gives you, rather than forcing the defense to give you
the hole you want. Also, with the front pin you can shoot cut/angle
shots between the men which adds another dimension to you shooting (and
defensive) options. While you could also shoot cuts with the front pin,
they're not really needed due to the nature of that shot.
As to which shot would be best - I'd recommend the snake, though both
can be equally effective (depending on table, though), since the snake
is so easy to execute. The front pin is a lot more fun to shoot though,
and the mental aspects of trying to force the defense to open up holes
(and conversely on the defensive side trying to outsmart the fakes the
front pin shooter is using against you) make the game more enjoyable and
complex too.
BTW, there's an article on the Playing Tips page of the
http://www.bonziniusa.com web site called "What Shot to Shoot?" that
lists the 10 most popular shot series (including the pull, push kick,
etc.), with the strengths and disadvantages of each, and ranks them in
order rom best to worst.
MMurray943
not going to do the euro pin.
We were playing Frederico and Lafredo and after the match Lafredo was trying it
and could't come close. And there an't nothin he can't do on a table.
But if you learn it, It's almost like a new game but a lot more fun.
Fran (the Man)
wrote:
>Roy, I don't know how often you play on a tornado, to make a comparison like
>that but I can tell you that I play equally on each and there is a major
>difference, especially when it come to any kind of front pin shot.... The
>Striker has more grip on the ball and definetly more ability to shoot a "euro"
>front pin.. (I hate the "euro" why can't we just drop it and call it what it is?
>A front pin shot...)
>
Come on, "Euro" sounds more exotic. I think it allows some players
to pick up more chicks.
Fran
Dave Ziemann
>Striker has more grip on the ball and definetly more ability to shoot a
>"euro" front pin.. (I hate the "euro" why can't we just drop it and call
>it what it is? A front pin shot...)
I agree wholeheartedly; please let's stop the parochial epithets. Otherwise
let's also have American Rollover. Call it what it *is* not where it came
from.
Dave Ziemann
PMGoffJr
>
>> Well I play on a Dynamo Stryker which is very similar to a Tornado. There
>is
>> no way in hell that Frederick would be able to do Euro pin on this table
>and
>> score on me. I would destroy him hands down with my snake shot.
Sorry you all I've been kinda busy, but that is just about the dumbest comment
I've ever read here.
Who are you? Do you believe the bullshit you just wrote? You expect us to
believe you're going to whip the WORLD CHAMPION'S ass?
You need to find a new crack dealer buddy, that shit you've been smoking must
be rat poison.
Travis Higdon
**Cringes as he tries not to get in the middle of this, but just can't help
himself**
I have an even better suggestion. Rather than assuming that every capable
foosball player will jump at the chance to fly out of the country to play in
your garage, how about you bring your game to...say...Vegas. There's a lot
of $ to be won, more than enough to pay for your ticket. And, you can
introduce us to all of these new shots. Poor, poor Frederico. He'll never
know what hit him :)
Travis
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Roy Gourgi <ro...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Tell you what. The next time you come down to Montreal, Canada give me a
> shout and I prove it to you. This is an open invitation for anyone who is
up
> to the challenge.
>
> Just to shed some light on the matter, I have been playing foosball for
> decades and I have yet to meet anyone that can see and play the game as
well
> I can. I can perform shots that you have never even seen.
>
> PMGoffJr wrote in message
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Roy Gourgi
BP
Wanna bet? And the old boring pull shot is the best shot!
Roy Gourgi
beat him on a Dynamo Striker table quite handily. On a Tornado table it
would be quite different because I have only played on a Tornado table
twice. It would definately be more difficult for me to beat him on a
Tornado. I would definately have to spend a considerable amount of time
practicing on a Tornado table, though I will admit that I do not think that
I would ever be as efficient on a Tornado table as I am on a Dynamo. The
Dynamo table is clearly a superior table in my point of view as it has the
best of all worlds. The two times that I played on a Tornado table, I found
the 3 goalie system and the plastic moulding on the sides to be inhibiting
and also the feel and weight of the men not to be as optimal as that of the
Dynamo. I do believe that the Tornado is better suited for the pull than the
Dynamo, though. Other than that the Dynamo is clearly a better table.
Another point I should also mention is that the rules that we use here are a
little bit different than the ones that are used in the professional
tournaments. We do not score from the five and second of all there are no
passing rules/restrictions to adhere to from the 5 bar (why they made those
rules I do not know, since it is equally advantagious to either player)
About 5 or 6 months ago an individual from Florida came to Montreal and I
played him on the Dynamo. I noticed right away that he had a very strong 5
and was a good player. He told me that he placed 25 in the worlds. We played
and believe me he did not know what hit him. It was obvious that he never
played anyone like me.
I have thought of entering in tournaments but as I mentioned I would
certainly have to practice on a Tornado before.
Travis Higdon wrote in message ...
>
>
>**Cringes as he tries not to get in the middle of this, but just can't help
>himself**
>
>
>I have an even better suggestion. Rather than assuming that every capable
>foosball player will jump at the chance to fly out of the country to play
in
>your garage, how about you bring your game to...say...Vegas. There's a lot
>of $ to be won, more than enough to pay for your ticket. And, you can
>introduce us to all of these new shots. Poor, poor Frederico. He'll never
>know what hit him :)
>
>Travis
>
>--
>
>Roy Gourgi <ro...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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PMGoffJr
>beat him on a Dynamo Striker table quite handily.
Hey Zippy, you better get tused to this, they do not build the Dynamo anymore,
period. It's a dinasaur.
>It was obvious that he never
>played anyone like me.
>
Hahaha, I'll bet that's true. Here, block my set pass, oh, we don't count
those....what a bar hack.
>I have thought of entering in tournaments
If you are such a bad-ass, you really need to step up and show us pal. You
might want to learn a legal pass first though.
You might be the best in your little pond buddy, but if you don't test yourself
against the best, how can you run that pie-hole of yours?
foo...@my-deja.com
NOT ONLY WOULD FREDERICO KICK YOUR ASS 5-0 20 GAMES IN A ROW WITH JUST
HIS GOALIE ROD, I'LL BET EVERY PERSON HERE (with the exception of MN
Scott HAHAHAHAHA where are you buddy? :P) COULD BEAT YOUR ASS WITH
MINIMAL EFFORT!!!! KEEP ON HIDING IN CANADA!!! WHEN YOU GET SERIOUS
ABOUT FOOS, AND WANT TO SEE REAL PRO'S PLAY, COME TO WORLDS OR VEGAS!!
JUST CAUSE YOU CAN BEAT NO-NAME PLAYERS YOU PULL OFF THE STREET AND HAVE
TO PAY TO PLAY YOU, DOES MEAN YOU DESERVE TO WATCH FREDERICO'S GAME.
Ahem.
That said, if I recall, Frederico is a World Champion on EVERY table.
Tornado isn't even his table of choice. He plays on MANY tours, not just
one like all the top rated players here. I think Bruce Nardoci could
best respond to this, as he is very involved in other table styles as
well.
X
Roy Gourgi
in your tournaments it does not mean that they cannot possibly be good
players. I admitted that I would be at a definate disadvantage on a Tornado
coupled with the rules that you guys play with, but if anyone of you were to
play with me on a Dynamo with our rules they would get their ass wipped,
including Frederick, hands down.
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foo...@my-deja.com
> You guys are all so full of yourselves.
Yah, so what's your point? :P
>Just because someone does not play in your tournaments it does not mean
that they cannot possibly be good players.
You're right. But if you've never played in tournaments before, you
don't know what skill pro masters are. You may rule your little canada
town, but Worlds is a $120,000 tournament with over 120 tables. Filled
with people who've been playing 1 to 10 hours a day for years. Can you
even imagine that?
>I admitted that I would be at a definate disadvantage on a Tornado
coupled with the rules that you guys play with, but if anyone of you
were to play with me on a Dynamo with our rules they would get their ass
wipped, including Frederick, hands down.
That's the whole point. RULES!!! Real foosers play with REAL rules that
are official. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. "with my rules,
on my hunk of junk ancient table, I could beat anyone!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! Oh sorry, you can't score from that rod!
Oh sorry, in and out goals don't count! Oh sorry, if you score off a
bank, that's 2 points! Oh sorry, if your shot gets deflected in anyway,
it doesn't count! HAahahahah...oh sorry frederico...spinning is allowed!
HAhahahah. I AM THE BEST PLAYER EVER!!!!! HAHAHahahah
It's like this. A minor league baseball player is in the minors because
the Major Leagues is only reserved for the top players. You my friend,
are in the PEE WEES!!!!!! :P You've never seen what we can do at the
speed we can do them. I probably pass harder than you shoot. It's like
playing wiffleball on your table when you could be playing hardball on a
real one.
GUMBY93
tournaments on any other table? I think you must be delusional if you think
your the best player on a Stryker/Dynamo or whatever it is you have up there in
Canada. I've played several tournaments on several different models of Stryker
and Dynamo and its a pretty easy adjustment to make. In fact I played on Dynamo
before I ever played on Tornado.
You say you've been playing for 25 years. Well so have I. The difference is
I've been playing all that time in tournaments all over the country on tables
ranging from Tournament soccer green top, blue top, brown top, 3 different
types of Dynamo, 3 different types of Stryker, several versions of Tornado and
a few others. The key here is the ability to adjust to different playing
characteristics and styles as well as facing top competition on a regular
basis.
If you think your good enough to make statements like the one you've made on
this newsgroup and your actually serious I think you've got alot to learn. Not
only do I think Frederico would easily beat you on Dynamo, I think your welcome
to visit Minnesota where I'm sure we could find a Dynamo and play a few
matches. It gets old listening to dimwits that think their ten times better
than they are just because they can beat people in their area. Normally I would
just ignore a post like yours because I would just think "well, he's clueless".
I must be getting cranky in my old age.
Oh, by the way. I some how managed to win a national championships and World
championships on Dynamo and Tornado as well as singles at the largest Stryker
tournament ever held so I'm guessing I MIGHT be in your league on a Dynamo.
David Gummeson
BeachFoos
wrote:
>You guys are all so full of yourselves. Just because someone does not play
>in your tournaments it does not mean that they cannot possibly be good
>players. I admitted that I would be at a definate disadvantage on a Tornado
>coupled with the rules that you guys play with, but if anyone of you were to
>play with me on a Dynamo with our rules they would get their ass wipped,
>including Frederick, hands down.
>
>
>
Roy
Are there other differences in your rules other than the lack of
passing restrictions and shots from the five-rod don't count? If you
can whip Fredrico's ass on ANY table, with just these changes in the
rules, then you're pretty damn close to being a World Champion!
Trouble is, nobody here is buying it for a second. I too have been
playing this game for 25 years, and at one point thought that I HAD to
be one of the best players in the country. Then I went to a major
tournament, and was brought crashing back to Earth.
You are living in your own little isolated foosball world there in
Montreal, and have NO idea how good the players are in the rest of the
world. If you want to be taken seriously on this NG, then I have some
suggestions for you.
1. Start playing the game by the rules...don't make up your own.
2. Adapt your game to a Tornado. That's the only way you'll be able
to compare your game to the best in the world. If Fredrico can do it,
and you refuse to, then please don't make any comparisons between
yourself and the World Champion.
3. Find a way to start playing against ranked players (maybe at a
tournament?). There are some in the Montreal area whom would be more
than happy to play against you, I'm sure. Please let us know the
results.
We welcome people who talk shit about their game on this NG, but
unless they can back it up, then we consider them a big joke. You've
already got the ego of a pro-master...now we want to see if you've got
the game.
Dan Tyvoll
Roy Gourgi
that there is another factor that comes into play and that is raw talent.
There is no denying that practice makes perfect but not everybody can be a
Wayne Gretsky or a Michael Jordan no matter how much they practice. That is
why I said that I would have to practice on a Tornado with your rules in
order to compete. If we were to play right now on a Tornado by the
professional rules I would probably lose to most of the players, because I
would probably get killed on the 5 bar, but believe me my offense and
defence are second to none. That is not to say that my 5 bar is weak by any
stretch of the imagination and as a matter of fact if there were no rules my
5 bar is as good as any.
Anyhow I would be interested in knowing the exact rules that are pertinent
on the 5 bar. Can anyone tell me what they are? Are there any other rules
that I should know about?
I would like to start practicing them on my table and maybe one day I will
take up your offer and come down to play with you guys. I was in Vegas last
year and I looked for tables but none were to be found. Where are the tables
in Vegas?
Thanks
Roy
foo...@my-deja.com wrote in message <85nomj$7pc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>
>
>> You guys are all so full of yourselves.
>
>Yah, so what's your point? :P
>
>>Just because someone does not play in your tournaments it does not mean
>that they cannot possibly be good players.
>
>You're right. But if you've never played in tournaments before, you
>don't know what skill pro masters are. You may rule your little canada
>town, but Worlds is a $120,000 tournament with over 120 tables. Filled
>with people who've been playing 1 to 10 hours a day for years. Can you
>even imagine that?
>
>>I admitted that I would be at a definate disadvantage on a Tornado
>coupled with the rules that you guys play with, but if anyone of you
>were to play with me on a Dynamo with our rules they would get their ass
>wipped, including Frederick, hands down.
>
David_...@sabre.com
sloppyfoos
laugh so hard, that I just wanted to thank you for making my day!!! :)
Roy Gourgi <ro...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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FoosballGOD51776
>>is
ok. you shouldn't need much practice at all according to your quote. here is a
challege if you what come to billings, montana. enter our local dyp tourney at
bullwhackers. it startes at 9pm on every tuesday. we are just hackers not
even rookies. i'll play you. i used to own a old ass dynamo. i've played on
rene tables. i'm not ranked at all. once i beat you then you'll know you our
just a scrub with no class. most of the guys/gals that read in this post would
rip you a new ass. bring it!
you must start from the bottom. c-ya
ps my front pin is slow and you still wouldn't stop it. just
come on down!!
BeachFoos
wrote:
>I have seen a video of Terry Moore and some other players that I did not
>know and frankly, judging from what I saw there was nothing that really
>impressed me other than their 5 bar. My snake shot is clearly the best with
>cuts on both sides and I even do a release to the push 3 bar and score with
>it.
>
>Anyhow, nobody has answered my question. What are the rules with regard to
>the 5 bar. Are there any other rules apart from that. Please let me know,
>maybe one day I will come down and prove myself and let you know what
>foosball is all about.:)
>
>Thanks
>
>
Roy
Go to www.natsa.org/tornado.htm to find the rules for Tornado tables.
I'm sure we'd all like to get a look at that snake shot of yours which
is "clearly the best". Don't keep us in suspense...come to a
tournament! A shot like yours should make up for the shortcomings of
your five-bar :o).
Dan Tyvoll
Bruce Nardoci
foo...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> (clipped)
>
> That said, if I recall, Frederico is a World Champion on EVERY table.
> Tornado isn't even his table of choice. He plays on MANY tours, not just
> one like all the top rated players here. I think Bruce Nardoci could
> best respond to this, as he is very involved in other table styles as
> well.
>
> X
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Besides his Tornado World Championships, Frederico won the 1998 World
Championship on Bonzini Tables in Doubles, Singles, and Forward
Shootout, and also placed high in DYP and mixed. Bonzini and Tornado are
2 of the big extremes in table design, and if he can win on those it
means he should also be able to win on tables similar to Bonzini such as
Rene Pierre, Stella, LeGrand, Petoit, Jupiter (which is his NORMAL
table, which he plays on in tournaments in Belgium), and their like; and
winning on Tornado means he likely could win on tables similar to
Tornado such as Dynamo, Stryker, Hurricane, Challenger, etc. I know he
goes to Germany and wins on Tornado tournaments there, and I believe he
plays on Lowen Soccer there too (which is like Brown Top Tournament
Soccer tables). The only table with a major tournament presence that I'm
not aware of him playing on (and the one I think he'd be least likely to
be able to win on), is Garlando style tables (FABI, Roberto Sport, etc).
Rocky Willson
boast just like you are doing here. After I had played a year and a half, I
felt the same way. I went to tournaments EXPECTING to come home with some cash
and was sorely disappointed--I got my ass kicked.
But the bottom line is that out of those dozens of people who thought they were
great and could beat anyone, not a single player that was not a tournament
player was even close to competitive with tournament players. Period.
Come to Vegas if you think you are any good. You'll find out just how good you
really are.
.............................................Rocky Willson
Roy Gourgi wrote:
> You guys are all so full of yourselves. Just because someone does not play
> in your tournaments it does not mean that they cannot possibly be good
> players. I admitted that I would be at a definate disadvantage on a Tornado
> coupled with the rules that you guys play with, but if anyone of you were to
> play with me on a Dynamo with our rules they would get their ass wipped,
> including Frederick, hands down.
>
> foo...@my-deja.com wrote in message <85nhdp$1p3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >HAHAHAHAHAH...YOU ARE FUNNY!!!!
> >
> >NOT ONLY WOULD FREDERICO KICK YOUR ASS 5-0 20 GAMES IN A ROW WITH JUST
> >HIS GOALIE ROD, I'LL BET EVERY PERSON HERE (with the exception of MN
> >Scott HAHAHAHAHA where are you buddy? :P) COULD BEAT YOUR ASS WITH
> >MINIMAL EFFORT!!!! KEEP ON HIDING IN CANADA!!! WHEN YOU GET SERIOUS
> >ABOUT FOOS, AND WANT TO SEE REAL PRO'S PLAY, COME TO WORLDS OR VEGAS!!
> >JUST CAUSE YOU CAN BEAT NO-NAME PLAYERS YOU PULL OFF THE STREET AND HAVE
> >TO PAY TO PLAY YOU, DOES MEAN YOU DESERVE TO WATCH FREDERICO'S GAME.
> >
> >Ahem.
> >
Pro Mastr2
competitive level but I can form an objective opinion. I feel the need to let
you know that you must be chemically high if you even had a dream (or nightmare
as the case may be) that you are in the same league as Frederico. JUST NO
CHANCE.
As far as any assertion that you could even play on the same table (no matter
what brand) as Dave Gummison, again, JUST NO CHANCE. Dave, Mr. Gummison to
you, would bend you over and give you the high hard throttle.
These are REAL players in the REAL WORLD. You have NO conception of how
talented these guys are. A good example would be to take a linebacker from a
10 year old little league team and put him in the lineup in the NFL. He would
get crushed on the field as you would on the table.
Cheap Advise: GET A CLUE
Grant Nelson-Learning how to play foos
Roy Gourgi
know and frankly, judging from what I saw there was nothing that really
impressed me other than their 5 bar. My snake shot is clearly the best with
cuts on both sides and I even do a release to the push 3 bar and score with
it.
Anyhow, nobody has answered my question. What are the rules with regard to
the 5 bar. Are there any other rules apart from that. Please let me know,
maybe one day I will come down and prove myself and let you know what
foosball is all about.:)
Thanks
Pro Mastr2 wrote in message
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Matthew Atha
>I some how managed to win a national championships and World
>championships on Dynamo and Tornado as well as singles at the
>largest Stryker tournament ever held so I'm guessing I MIGHT
>be in your league on a Dynamo.
Dave - since when were you relegated to his league? :-)
Boris
Matthew Atha
About a year and a half ago, I thought I was the best thing in Table
Football since sliced bread. I completely whooped ass on anyone I
played - because I had never played anyone (at least not for around 20
years).
After discovering 'foosball' on the internet, I sought out a few venues
including the Rainbow Snooker club in Manchester
(http://www.barfootball.com/rainbow.htm), home of many of the top UK
pros, and got my ass well and truly kicked (this was the first time I
had played Tornado, or seen a 'snake' shot, previously always regarded
as an illegal spin). I had not come across a shot I could not race for
a long time.
I persevered, adapting my own improvised style to the Tornado (and
learning the snake), started to hold my own, and have since done OK in
UK tournaments, and even took an Open Singles game off Frederico in
German (before he woke up!).
You are no doubt a good player, but the only way to prove it is to
practice on a Tornado against good players, come to a proper tournament,
and shut the b*st*rds up!
Vive le babyfoot!
Boris
Eric Dunn
this guy?? I live in Ottawa.
i'm just barely ranked a pro on Tornado, so he should be able to wipe the
table with me eh? B-)
i've played on Dynamo Stryker and didnt find it too different than tornado..
so after an hour or so, of getting used to things, i think i'd be good to
go.
But Roy, could you explain the rules you play by - 5 bar wise (and maybe any
other suprises), and maybe i'll take a drive, and check out the Montreal
foos scene..
5 bar rules i am used to (NATSA rules) pretty much are as follows.
you cannot pass from a stopped ball
you cannot pass from a pinned ball
once a ball is stopped or pinned, you must touch another man before you can
pass the ball.
you have a limit of 10 seconds before you have to get rid of the ball
there are things like adjustments, and limiting the number of wall bounces,
but for simplicity sake, the previous rules are it.
Roy, you sound like your really into the game, and that's kewl.. so even if
you dont want to go head to head, we can just get together and enjoy some
foos.. send me an email..
Roy Gourgi <ro...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Well I play quite a bit myself almost every day (1-3 hrs), but I do must
say
> that there is another factor that comes into play and that is raw talent.
> There is no denying that practice makes perfect but not everybody can be a
> Wayne Gretsky or a Michael Jordan no matter how much they practice. That
is
> why I said that I would have to practice on a Tornado with your rules in
> order to compete. If we were to play right now on a Tornado by the
> professional rules I would probably lose to most of the players, because I
> would probably get killed on the 5 bar, but believe me my offense and
> defence are second to none. That is not to say that my 5 bar is weak by
any
> stretch of the imagination and as a matter of fact if there were no rules
my
> 5 bar is as good as any.
>
> Anyhow I would be interested in knowing the exact rules that are pertinent
> on the 5 bar. Can anyone tell me what they are? Are there any other rules
> that I should know about?
> I would like to start practicing them on my table and maybe one day I
will
> take up your offer and come down to play with you guys. I was in Vegas
last
> year and I looked for tables but none were to be found. Where are the
tables
> in Vegas?
>
> Thanks
> Roy
>
> foo...@my-deja.com wrote in message <85nomj$7pc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >
> >
> >> You guys are all so full of yourselves.
> >
> >Yah, so what's your point? :P
> >
> >>Just because someone does not play in your tournaments it does not mean
> >that they cannot possibly be good players.
> >
> >You're right. But if you've never played in tournaments before, you
> >don't know what skill pro masters are. You may rule your little canada
> >town, but Worlds is a $120,000 tournament with over 120 tables. Filled
> >with people who've been playing 1 to 10 hours a day for years. Can you
> >even imagine that?
> >
> >>I admitted that I would be at a definate disadvantage on a Tornado
> >coupled with the rules that you guys play with, but if anyone of you
> >were to play with me on a Dynamo with our rules they would get their ass
> >wipped, including Frederick, hands down.
> >
> >That's the whole point. RULES!!! Real foosers play with REAL rules that
> >are official. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. "with my rules,
> >on my hunk of junk ancient table, I could beat anyone!"
> >HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! Oh sorry, you can't score from that rod!
> >Oh sorry, in and out goals don't count! Oh sorry, if you score off a
> >bank, that's 2 points! Oh sorry, if your shot gets deflected in anyway,
> >it doesn't count! HAahahahah...oh sorry frederico...spinning is allowed!
> >HAhahahah. I AM THE BEST PLAYER EVER!!!!! HAHAHahahah
> >
> >It's like this. A minor league baseball player is in the minors because
> >the Major Leagues is only reserved for the top players. You my friend,
> >are in the PEE WEES!!!!!! :P You've never seen what we can do at the
> >speed we can do them. I probably pass harder than you shoot. It's like
> >playing wiffleball on your table when you could be playing hardball on a
> >real one.
> >
Laahooser
also a top pro, there d's tend to be a little tougher than your local bar
player. playing the guys at this level is a whole new world
Chris Adamantidis
see this..
I thought you were tired man.. you wrote this message about the time that I
left Manny's :) Sponsor? 2.5 hours? Heh, last time I drove there it took
me 1.5.. but if you want to take a trip, I'm game.. hell, I'll even drive..
le gas gratuit as the french say.
Anyway.. to the point of the message:
Arguing about the validity of Roy's statements concerning his overall foos
supremacy over all those who have lived or will ever live on earth is really
a pointless endeavour. He thinks he's the best, and until someone (Eric?)
wipes the floor with him and then does it again for good measure, there is
no way we can convince him otherwise. Hell.. he might even be as good as he
says he is.
Anyway, see ya wednesday or at the DYP at CPW on Friday.
Chris
Eric Dunn wrote in message
Travis Higdon
that I would get my ass on whatever table sponsored tournaments over $100K.
With your "natural talent," making the transition to tornado tables (not
because they're better, but simply because most big $ tournaments are played
on them) should be a piece of cake. Right? I can't imagine being the best in
the world, having tons of natural talent, and still playing on a Dynamo for
no money. I realize foos isn't all about the $, but $ is what you'll get
when you come down here and teach us all a lesson. Heh, heh. Until then,
leave Gretsky, Jordan, and Frederico where they belong...on top.
Travis
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PMGoffJr
>if anyone of you were to
>play with me on a Dynamo with our rules they would get their ass wipped,
>including Frederick, hands down.
It must be really, really cold there, and your blood must be so thick that it
just can't quite get to that melon on your shoulders.
A small thing to consider zippy, Johnny Lott designed the Stryker table to
closely resemble the Tournament Soccer playing charactistics. I have seen what
a expert Euro can do with their front pin on that table. We played quite a few
Swiss and Belgium players in the last two T.S. worlds.
If you gave them a set pass on that table, there wouldn't be enough of you left
to feed a starving warf rat. The only chance you'd ever have with that flop
shot would be on a Tornado table, so I guess you better get to work on that
five man.
By the way, do you have any lost brothers in California that go by the name of
peep's champ? You two might have been seperated at birth.
Roy Gourgi
and get his ass kicked by the grand master of foosball on Dynamo. You guys
can play vicariously through him.
There are no rules except that you cannot score with the 5 bar (the only
reason that we do not use the 5 bar to score is because it forces players to
concentrate on making passes and scoring with the 3 bar instead). It is as
simple as that. You see there should be no rules limiting what you can do
because we are both playing on the same table and what I can do, you should
also be able to do. Heck, if you want we can even play so that you can score
with the 5 bar. It is up to you. Trust me, either way you will succumb to my
prowess.
Sure, we can play for as long as you want until you feel that you have
gotten used to playing on the Dynamo and when you feel that you are ready to
go, we will commence the slaughter.
And if at any time you feel that you have been overwhelmed and humiliated,
feel free to say so and I will mercifully end the annihalation.
By the way you do not need to check out the Montreal foosball scene because
I have played everywhere in Montreal and I have licked everybody, so that
should make it a lot easier for you. Furthermore, for those of you who think
that Montreal is a little town, well try 3 Million people's worth of a
little town. This is just to give you an appreciation of whom you are
playing with.
What I suggest though before you come is that you break your little piggy
bank and bring lots and lots and lots of quarters. It costs $.50 a game
which is not so bad, so it won't cost you an arm and a leg.
I thought about it and if you beat me, my days as a serious foosball are
over. I am 40 years old and I have been playing on and off since the age of
9. We will duke it out mano a mano and may the best man win.
Dominus Vobiscum, (believe me you are going to need it!)
>> >coupled with the rules that you guys play with, but if anyone of you
>> >were to play with me on a Dynamo with our rules they would get their ass
>> >wipped, including Frederick, hands down.
>> >
foo...@my-deja.com
"Roy Gourgi" <ro...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I have seen a video of Terry Moore and some other players that I did
not
> know and frankly, judging from what I saw there was nothing that
really
> impressed me other than their 5 bar. My snake shot is clearly the best
with
> cuts on both sides and I even do a release to the push 3 bar and score
with
> it.
BTW, Grant Nelson, aka ProMastr2, would SPANK you ass too until it
turned red. I doubt you'd even touch the ball other than your drop.
Asides from that, we all know your snake shot isn't as good as a pro
master like Nelson, Mares, or Moore etc etc...but EVEN IF it
was...you're shooting on little Montreal bar hacks like yourself. Try
shooting that on a Pro Master goalie. Damn boy...just shut up already.
:) Hahaha.
Eric Dunn
also, no need to be all serious man.. dont quit if you lose.. i wouldnt
want that.. i am a promoter at heart, so that's the last thing i would want
by playing you.. how bout, we have a bet, that if i win, then you wont
quit, and promise to promote the game in your area.. not just kick ass..
possibly start hosting tournaments, etc..
if you win.. well, you think of something and let me know..
Roy Gourgi <ro...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Average Bar Player
Steve Shiue
Average Bar Player
San Diego, CA
In article <BuRg4.3729$rY2.2...@news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com>,
--
Steve Shiue
Average Bar Player
San Diego, CA
Tim Sheri
>
> ok, you around this weekend?? we'll set something up..
>
> also, no need to be all serious man.. dont quit if you lose.. i wouldnt
> want that.. i am a promoter at heart, so that's the last thing i would want
> by playing you.. how bout, we have a bet, that if i win, then you wont
> quit, and promise to promote the game in your area.. not just kick ass..
> possibly start hosting tournaments, etc..
>
> if you win.. well, you think of something and let me know..
>
> Roy Gourgi <ro...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:KNBg4.722$Se....@news21.bellglobal.com..
him is going to make you look like a beginner. He just happened to beat
Terry Moore to the loser's bracket (by many considered to be the best in
the world) at the Hall of Fame Classic in Vegas last year. So I hope you
aren't real crazy and bet money. Take the opportunity to learn from
someone who really knows how to play and turn it into a positive. I am
real interested to hear about the results. Take it easy on him Eric
HAHA!
Tim
Roy Gourgi
meet at the arcade. The place is called Pinochio Amusements and it is on St.
Catherine Street West (a few blocks west of Guy Street, I do not know the
exact civic address). If you know the old Montreal Forum on St. Catherine
and Atwater it is a few blocks east of it.
What time and what day is convenient for you. Let me know the details.
You do not have to do anything for me if I win because the win will speak
for itself.
Roy
Eric Dunn wrote in message ...
Eric Dunn
Tim Sheri <tims...@planet.eon.net> wrote in message
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>I happen to have seen Eric Dunn play and this "barely pro" as you call
> him is going to make you look like a beginner. He just happened to beat
> Terry Moore to the loser's bracket (by many considered to be the best in
> the world) at the Hall of Fame Classic in Vegas last year. So I hope you
> aren't real crazy and bet money. Take the opportunity to learn from
> someone who really knows how to play and turn it into a positive. I am
> real interested to hear about the results. Take it easy on him Eric
> HAHA!
>
oh great, there goes my cover.. thanks Tim.. no pressure now.. B-)
> Tim
Eric Dunn
that i get lost every time i go into that city..
but i got a map, so i should get there eventually.
but i gotta make sure on a few things first..
this is a Dynamo Stryker table right? not a brown top dynamo??
what's the shape of the table like? rods well lubricated, etc?
what kind of balls are in the table? yellow sticky balls? red tornado
balls? or those yellow balls with the little black soccer patches on them
(that's what they had when i went to baltimore for a stryker tournament a
few years ago - this was the only time i ever played on stryker.)
please dont tell me it has white wax balls!!
does it have telescoping rods?
i just dont want to drive all this way, just to play on some beat up table..
can i be safe in assuming that who ever gets scored on, gets to serve the
next ball??
would it be possible to get a few other local foosers to show up as well? i
wouldnt mind getting some contacts for possible montreal vs ottawa league
matches, eastern Canada championships, stuff like that... i also wouldnt
mind checking out the Bonzini scene while i'm there..
I'm thinking sunday, 3ish.. know of a good place to eat in that area?
and Roy, stop practicing your 3 bar shots, its gunna do you no good, if you
dont get the ball.. B-)
Roy Gourgi <ro...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Eric Dunn
Average Bar Player <sh...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Hey is this going to be on Pay Per View?
>
if i do end up going, i'll bring my video camera, and possibly posting up
some shots on our league website (http://regent.cc)
Roy Gourgi
pretty good shape. Rods are lubricated but if you have anything that you
want to bring with you, whatever paraphenelia you have, you are more than
welcome seeing after all that you are the pro. The balls are yellow sticky
balls. Forgive my ignorance but what are telescoping rods? (what is this a
shooting range :))
Yes, do not worry, the way that we play here is that the ball is passed by
the other player to the guy that got scored upon.
I will see what I can do to get some other people in there though I do not
know just how interested they would be in any Ottawa-Montreal rivalries, but
I have thought about your advice and maybe I might try to sponsor a
tournament at the arcade where I play. There is a Bonzini table at Cafe
Centrale where there are some pretty good players. Personally, I do not
particularly care for the Bonzini tables because I think that they are not
as good as Dynamo or Tornado, but if you want we can go and play there. Do
you know how to do the so called Euro pin or front pin or whatever it is
that you guys call it. I think that I learnt how to do that shot years ago
before the snake, but I think that the snake is clearly superior on the
Dynamo or Tornado anyways.
Well it depends what kind of food you like. There is chinese, middle
eastern, italien, indien..........
Yes maybe you are right I should try to concentrate on the 5 bar, because I
sure as hell want to get the ball to the 3 bar. By the way you agree that we
will play with our rules which is no rules except that you cannot score with
the 5 bar. If you want we can even try with scoring with the 5 bar
afterwards.
Anyhow I forgot to get the civic number for you. I will call the arcade
tomorrow and get it for you.
Eric Dunn
> Yes this is a Dynamo Stryker table. It is a green top table. The table is
in
> pretty good shape. Rods are lubricated but if you have anything that you
> want to bring with you, whatever paraphenelia you have, you are more than
> welcome seeing after all that you are the pro. The balls are yellow sticky
> balls.
sounds good..
> Forgive my ignorance but what are telescoping rods? (what is this a
> shooting range :))
>
its where the rods dont stick out the other end of the table.. just
curious.. doesnt really matter..
>. By the way you agree that we
> will play with our rules which is no rules except that you cannot score
with
> the 5 bar. If you want we can even try with scoring with the 5 bar
> afterwards.
your rules are fine.. i've never been a big fan of the USTSA rules - plus,
i'm not much of a 5 bar hacker myself..
as long as your not jarring the table and stuff, it should be cool..
>
> Anyhow I forgot to get the civic number for you. I will call the arcade
> tomorrow and get it for you.
great.. thanx..
>
Roy Gourgi
Pinocchio Amusements
1825 St. Catherine West (3 streets west of Guy street near Le Fabourg)
514-934-5334
Also here is my home phone number in case you want to call me before hand.
Roy 514-737-4290
St. Catherine Street is the biggest street in Montreal. Guy street is in the
heart of downtown Montreal.
I am starting to garner interest in our match. It is a good idea to bring
that video camera of yours. Like I said before do not be shy, bring out the
works if you want. Your lubricants, sprays, gloves etc.......... and
whatever contingent of friends and partners you can muster up, but I am
afraid my friend that it will all be to no avail.
I already spoke to one of my friends that works there about promoting a
tournament and he sees no reason why his boss would object.
Long live Foosball, babyfoot, billiardini, calciobalilla.
P.S.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes (I am watching you my friend, but who is
watching me!)
Sui generis
Eric Dunn wrote in message ...
>
>Roy Gourgi <ro...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:fYeh4.1348$9o....@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> Yes this is a Dynamo Stryker table. It is a green top table. The table is
>in
>> pretty good shape. Rods are lubricated but if you have anything that you
>> want to bring with you, whatever paraphenelia you have, you are more than
>> welcome seeing after all that you are the pro. The balls are yellow
sticky
>> balls.
>
>
>sounds good..
>
>> Forgive my ignorance but what are telescoping rods? (what is this a
>> shooting range :))
>>
>
>its where the rods dont stick out the other end of the table.. just
>curious.. doesnt really matter..
>
>
>>. By the way you agree that we
>> will play with our rules which is no rules except that you cannot score
>with
>> the 5 bar. If you want we can even try with scoring with the 5 bar
>> afterwards.
>
>your rules are fine.. i've never been a big fan of the USTSA rules - plus,
>i'm not much of a 5 bar hacker myself..
>as long as your not jarring the table and stuff, it should be cool..
>
>>
>> Anyhow I forgot to get the civic number for you. I will call the arcade
>> tomorrow and get it for you.
>
>great.. thanx..
>
>>
>
>
>
Eric Dunn
i'll have my cell with me, so if i'm not there at 3, give me a call, i might
need to be directed in..
(613)-851-9170
i'll see if i can dig up some local talent to come with me..
all i'm bringing is my wraps..
any people out there have experience moving from tornado to stryker?? i
remember i had to change how far behind the man the ball is when executing
brush passes.. anything else? oh my, i might have to remember how to block
banks.. oh wait.. banks are closed on sundays so it dont matter! B-)
Roy Gourgi <ro...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:c8Fh4.3142$y.5...@news21.bellglobal.com...
> The exact name and address and telephone # of the place is:
>
> Pinocchio Amusements
> 1825 St. Catherine West (3 streets west of Guy street near Le Fabourg)
> 514-934-5334
>
> Also here is my home phone number in case you want to call me before hand.
> Roy 514-737-4290
>
> St. Catherine Street is the biggest street in Montreal. Guy street is in
the
> heart of downtown Montreal.
>
> I am starting to garner interest in our match. It is a good idea to bring
> that video camera of yours. Like I said before do not be shy, bring out
the
> works if you want. Your lubricants, sprays, gloves etc.......... and
> whatever contingent of friends and partners you can muster up, but I am
> afraid my friend that it will all be to no avail.
>
> I already spoke to one of my friends that works there about promoting a
> tournament and he sees no reason why his boss would object.
>
> Long live Foosball, babyfoot, billiardini, calciobalilla.
>
> P.S.
> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes (I am watching you my friend, but who is
> watching me!)
> Sui generis
>
> Eric Dunn wrote in message ...
> >
> >Roy Gourgi <ro...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >news:fYeh4.1348$9o....@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >> Yes this is a Dynamo Stryker table. It is a green top table. The table
is
> >in
> >> pretty good shape. Rods are lubricated but if you have anything that
you
> >> want to bring with you, whatever paraphenelia you have, you are more
than
> >> welcome seeing after all that you are the pro. The balls are yellow
> sticky
> >> balls.
> >
> >
> >sounds good..
> >
> >> Forgive my ignorance but what are telescoping rods? (what is this a
> >> shooting range :))
> >>
> >
> >its where the rods dont stick out the other end of the table.. just
> >curious.. doesnt really matter..
> >
> >
> >>. By the way you agree that we
> >> will play with our rules which is no rules except that you cannot score
> >with
> >> the 5 bar. If you want we can even try with scoring with the 5 bar
> >> afterwards.
> >
> >your rules are fine.. i've never been a big fan of the USTSA rules -
plus,
> >i'm not much of a 5 bar hacker myself..
> >as long as your not jarring the table and stuff, it should be cool..
> >
> >>
> >> Anyhow I forgot to get the civic number for you. I will call the arcade
> >> tomorrow and get it for you.
> >
> >great.. thanx..
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
UglyNgoofy
hehe
Bonzini, Rene Pierre,Lowen, Dutchmiester, American, Dynamo, Stryker, Tournament
Soccer, Pro-built or Tornado.. If its got men Ive played on it and won on it..
Its Foosball.
Now bring your game and a Smile... Rico and I will be in Vegas.. Come to learn.
The first beating is for free, the rest will cost ya..
Yours truely Todd L . -=o)
PS... I would'nt be thinking race.
foo...@my-deja.com
> The first beating is for free, the rest will cost ya..
> Yours truely Todd L . -=o)
I want a piece of that action. :)
Foos4fun
>remember i had to change how far behind the man the ball is when executing
>brush passes.. anything else?
Eric,
A couple of things to remember...
The goalie travels past the edge of the goal mouth.
The ball to foot contact is grippier, so if you shoot a pull shot, you may want
to set the ball a little bit farther forward than ususal.
Since the grip is better, you will be able to grab more balls that would be
unretrievable on a Tornado.
Three bar shots that work on Tornado will work on the Stryker, so start off
warming up and adjusting your brush passes, pay special attention to the lanes,
the wall passes are easier to take away since the bumper compress easier. No
jar passing along the wall ;-)
Hope that helps
Pat Ryan
Roy Gourgi
I will let you know the outcome of the match between me and Eric Dunn.
Anybody have any predictions as to what will transpire? Will he kick my ass
badly? Will I even get the ball to the 3 bar at all or even get a single
goal on him. Am I going to look like a fool for even thinking that I am in
the same league as the world champion of foosball?
Well there is only one way to find out, heh!
See you Sunday Eric.
Tempus Fugit, "2 days to judgment day. :)"
Roy
foo...@my-deja.com wrote in message <869tv7$45c$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
David_...@sabre.com
"Roy Gourgi" <ro...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I will be more than happy to oblige................ but first things
first.
> I will let you know the outcome of the match between me and Eric Dunn.
>
> Anybody have any predictions as to what will transpire? Will he kick
my ass
> badly? Will I even get the ball to the 3 bar at all or even get a
single
> goal on him. Am I going to look like a fool for even thinking that I
am in
> the same league as the world champion of foosball?
>
> Well there is only one way to find out, heh!
My prediction is that Eric will have some difficulty adapting to the
table and rules and will probably lose the first few games, maybe fall
to a 4 to 1 score, but then will probably pick it up and should tie you
at 6. At this point you'll probably both agree the next is the last, and
Eric will win 5-3. Thus defeating and humbling Montral's finest....
-David
foo...@my-deja.com
going to spank you silly. Even if you have to cheat with your made up
rules, he's still going to make you his bitch.
X
BTW, I wouln't pay 50 cents to play on your beat up table with hokey
backwoods made up rules...much less drive all the way up there from
Denver. The "action" I was refering to was to get a piece of this guy
Loffredo I keep hearing about. :P
X
Foos4fun
This match would be one to see. Yes you would lose. Yes, you would be
humiliated. Apparently, you are racking up quite a list of people that are
going to show you how the game of foosball is played at it's highest levels.
Hope you learn something from all of this. have fun foosing!!
Pat Ryan
>I will be more than happy to oblige................ but first things first.
>I will let you know the outcome of the match between me and Eric Dunn.
>
>Anybody have any predictions as to what will transpire? Will he kick my ass
>badly? Will I even get the ball to the 3 bar at all or even get a single
>goal on him. Am I going to look like a fool for even thinking that I am in
>the same league as the world champion of foosball?
>
>Well there is only one way to find out, heh!
>
>See you Sunday Eric.
>
>Tempus Fugit, "2 days to judgment day. :)"
>
>Roy
>
>foo...@my-deja.com wrote in message <869tv7$45c$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>>
>>
>>> The first beating is for free, the rest will cost ya..
>>> Yours truely Todd L . -=o)
>>
>>I want a piece of that action. :)
>>
Roy Gourgi
me. If you are all so sure that anyone of you can beat me then you will be
more than content to show me your bravado rather than your words.
Roy
Foos4fun wrote in message <20000121144334...@ng-bh1.aol.com>...
Roy Gourgi
the last few years. Also, is there anyone from Florida who came in 25th at
the worlds this year or last year. I think that I might have played with you
in Montreal about a few months ago on my Dynamo table.
If this guy really came in 25th in the world then I will tell you what. I
would even be willing to play both Frederico and Alfredo 2 against me at the
same time and I would still win.
If you are lurking somewhere out there no. 25 in the world then would you
kindly tell these make believe players that I am not kidding.
Dan Tyvoll
You guys will spend some time warming up on the table, adapting to the table
and each other's rules, and then play some games. You may win a few of the
games Roy, but at the end of the day, you will admit that Eric is the better
player. I hope that this will encourage you to get out and play more
outside of Montreal, and to promote the sport more within Montreal.
I also predict that both of you will have fun.
Dan Tyvoll
Roy Gourgi wrote in message ...
David_...@sabre.com
foo...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I think after Eric gets used to the table after a warm up game, he is
> going to spank you silly. Even if you have to cheat with your made up
> rules, he's still going to make you his bitch.
>
> X
>
> BTW, I wouln't pay 50 cents to play on your beat up table with hokey
> backwoods made up rules...much less drive all the way up there from
> Denver. The "action" I was refering to was to get a piece of this guy
> Loffredo I keep hearing about. :P
>
> X
Feel free to ignore X, we do...
(damn he suckered me into not ignoring him again!)
-David
Bruce Nardoci
Bonzini & Rene Pierre. The only time I'm aware of you having played on
either table was on RPs at the first (Stryker) Hall of Fame Classic back
in the 80's, against me and some of my friends - you didn't win there
;-). If you've played other times, I'd be really curious as to
where/when and how you did, what you thought of the tables and style of
play, etc.
Also, I understand you played in Europe at least once - could you
describe what tables you played on, caliber of play you saw, how you
did, etc.
UglyNgoofy wrote:
>
> For one thing you thing, you could get my name right by now...its LOFFREDO...
> hehe
> Bonzini, Rene Pierre,Lowen, Dutchmiester, American, Dynamo, Stryker, Tournament
> Soccer, Pro-built or Tornado.. If its got men Ive played on it and won on it..
> Its Foosball.
> Now bring your game and a Smile... Rico and I will be in Vegas.. Come to learn.
>
> The first beating is for free, the rest will cost ya..
> Yours truely Todd L . -=o)
>
David_...@sabre.com
"Roy Gourgi" <ro...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Where is the website where I can find the world rankings from 1 to
100 for
> the last few years. Also, is there anyone from Florida who came in
25th at
> the worlds this year or last year. I think that I might have played
with you
> in Montreal about a few months ago on my Dynamo table.
>
> If this guy really came in 25th in the world then I will tell you
what. I
> would even be willing to play both Frederico and Alfredo 2 against me
at the
> same time and I would still win.
>
> If you are lurking somewhere out there no. 25 in the world then would
you
> kindly tell these make believe players that I am not kidding.
>
> Roy
Roy,
The person who got 25th at worlds could well have been a rookie. Just
because he finishes tied for 25th - 32nd doesn't mean he was that good.
Especially if it was in Open Doubles he got it in. He could have been
playing goal for a very good player. Singles? Still you see many a hack
get up that high. The losers bracket is just 2 out of 3 games to five.
Round ball, square men, anything could happen. I got 5th this year at
Nationals in Open Singles it doesn't make me anywhere near the fifth
best in the nation. It means i had a good weekend and things rolled my
way. As far as being in the top 32 at worlds, i would think at least a
half dozen of these players in singles arent even pros, and in doubles
that would be the top 64 players and of those i wouldn't be surprised
if a quarter of them weren't pros... My point as i ramble? damn i
forgot... Oh well...
Good luck this weekend, I'm sure it will be educational for both eric
and yourself...
Boris
I noticed the absence of Garlando or other Italian tables from that
list. The experience is as different to Tornado as Tornado is to
Bonzini, and they are as common as dogsh*t in many parts of the world.
Have you every played on them socially or competitively? - comments?
Boris
Eric Dunn
Dan Tyvoll <the...@cts.com> wrote in message
news:86ak9a$2m21$1...@thoth.cts.com...
> My predictions:
>
> You guys will spend some time warming up on the table, adapting to the
table
> and each other's rules, and then play some games. You may win a few of
the
> games Roy, but at the end of the day, you will admit that Eric is the
better
> player. I hope that this will encourage you to get out and play more
> outside of Montreal, and to promote the sport more within Montreal.
>
> I also predict that both of you will have fun.
this is exactly what i am hoping for..
the way i see it..
if i win, i get to promote the sport and maybe spread a little knowledge
around, and show more of eastern Canada that NATSA is alive and kicking..
if i loose.. then i found me a partner for worlds next year, and Canada will
kickass!! B-)
joe
I've been to Bullwacker's half-a-dozen times and never lost a game. It is
the place with the little gambling hall out front and the back has some pool
tables and some old Tornado. Maybe there was a Dynamo Stryker there, also.
Anyway, the guy from Whitefish that shoots the roll around Pullkick, sorry,
Charlie, blew you away with any of seven different shots. Fact is, nobody
there had the ball enough to win a game, even if they could have scored 100%
on the three rod. OH, a, by the way, nobody in Billings ever really could
beat me consistently, with one exception: Mike Pissig, when he was livin' in
Bozo (he took thirteenth in singles in TS World's that year)in the late
1970's and early 1980's. Of course, Kim Theiral, who is a salesman at the
Billings Subaru dealership is a past Montana State champ from TS days, when
he was living in Missoula. Who else was good out of
there?????.....OK......memory cells on overload, now.........Kelly, yeah,
Kelly (back pin shooter)and his partner......big guy, used to come down to
Flipper's Billiards in the early 1980's, think he was a college student at
UM. Mickleson....Mike Mickleson....OK....got it now....Mike Kelly and Mike
Mickleson, sorry, they couldn't beat me and Doug Rogers, Me and Kevin
Barber, or Me and Ted Weber, ever.
But, really, Montana has had a real history of table soccer excellence and
excellent players. Historically speaking, some real veteran's, who helped
form the basis of table soccer: Jim Horn from Townsend Montana just might
have invented the tournament style pushkick, using the dink and long
intermixed from a set position early in the 1970's. From Helena: Greg Moe
(Spiderman), who was, in my opinion, at least, style and tempo wise the heir
apparent to Johnny Lott in the 70's and his partner, Slovack from Helena:
Spider and Slovack. The ever contentious Brian Cripe and John Brophy from
Whitefish: 12th in the World one year, and John Brophy and Ron Taylor
(Ronan) the next year with a similar result. Let's not forget that Lori
Cripe and Marlene Brophy from Whitefish placed in a similar position/level
in Denver. That brings me to Karen Von.......oh come on, shifter, you know
she was from eastern Montana (got it, Sidney), Married a Gilland, oh just
can't remember Karen Gilland. I think she and Billy Sumption won a World's
once. Jim Zellick came from 8-ball in Missoula...played with George Withy
in the old days and later Marcio Boniza (2nd place World's, other excellent
high place finishes one pro-am (Colombus, Ohio first place with Doug Wilson
from Whitefish), toured as a TS exhibition player to europe....took the
Front Pin. Oh yeah, let's not forget Lee Peppard, he might have had some
small influence on table soccer, historically speaking. Many excellent
players who often placed extremely well in the novice and open events: Kevin
Barber, Doug Rogers; Eric Flynn; Dennis (Denny) Hartzell - one armed played
from Missoula; Ted Weber; Greg Lance; Kurt Gokenmower; Joe Withy; Tommy
Sagen; the guy who ran DJ's Downstairs Disco in Butte (somebody has to help
me); there was an optometrist in Bozo - former top ten in TS world's (don't
remember the name - rocky, if you see this look in internet - that name will
jump out at you, I know); Maurice "Moe" Quanbeck, anyway....blah, blah, blah
Oh, one guy from Bullwackers came to Rapid City one night and played at
Fatboy's he had two gloves...and we just kicked his butt, too.
Joseph B. Stone, Shapeshifter
CutBank, Montana 1956 - 1974
Missoula, Montana 1974 -1975
Kalispell, Montana 1975 -1975
Phoenix, Arizona 1975 - 1977
Cut Bank, Missoula, Hot Springs,
Kalispell 1977 - 1978
San Deigo, CA 1978 - 1979
Norfolk/Little Cr, VA 1979 - 1980 - Bruce, I'm a really big Native guy,
who used to hang around Gary's Inn, The Thirsty Camel, and some Castle Joint
in Hampton, I always wore a Billy Jack Hat in those days and ran around with
the amphibious types Europe, Mid-East ...Blah Blah Blah
Hot Springs/Missoula/Kalispell 1980
Bremeton, Washington/Hong Kong/Patio Beach/Sidney Aus Blah Blah Ball 1980 -
1982
Poulsbo Wa 1982 - Big Trouble with the Local Sheriff - Home under cover of
darkness to Montana
Bozeman, Montana 1984 - 1990
Logan, Utah 1990 - 1994
Rapid City, SD 1994 - 1995
Port Angeles, WA 1995 - Now
But what counts is that the Bullwacker's aren't that tough...been
there...bet them
Shifter Later
FoosballGOD51776 wrote in message
<20000114181113...@ng-co1.aol.com>...
>>> Well I play on a Dynamo Stryker which is very similar to a Tornado.
There
>>>is
>
>ok. you shouldn't need much practice at all according to your quote. here
is a
>challege if you what come to billings, montana. enter our local dyp
tourney at
>bullwhackers. it startes at 9pm on every tuesday. we are just hackers not
>even rookies. i'll play you. i used to own a old ass dynamo. i've played
on
>rene tables. i'm not ranked at all. once i beat you then you'll know you
our
>just a scrub with no class. most of the guys/gals that read in this post
would
>rip you a new ass. bring it!
>you must start from the bottom. c-ya
> ps my front pin is slow and you still wouldn't stop it.
just
>come on down!!
>
cri...@hotmail.com
bo...@netN0SPAMgates.co.uk wrote:
> The experience is as different to Tornado as Tornado is to
> Bonzini,
>
>
> Boris,
I do not think you will see very many of the
top ranked American players on the Tornado Tour be
able to make the jump from table to table as easily
as Collignon has. Most Americans have been exposed
only to the "Texas Table" style of play since the
early 70's. The common features of all these tables
is that it promotes a race and reaction style of play.
With the spin shot as an add feature now, the race is
really on. I was in Long Beach, CA back in the mid-80's
for the Striker Tournament held by Johnny Lott. A friend
of mine was asked to ship an RP table to exhibit at
this event and did so. A group of players from the
mid-Atlantic states went to play in Mr. Lott's tournament
and play exhibition matches on the RP. I was fortunate
to be able to play Doug Furry, Todd Loffredo, Steve Simon,
Johnny Valles and other well respected players in the U.S.
on the RP. It was amazing to watch each of their games
attempting to adapt to the table. It was very similar to
the level of competition I faced at Cafe Kick though.
It is unfortunate that the majority of U.S. players have
not had the exposure to a table that allows the front pin
series to be executed to it's fullest extint. Hopefully
our Bonzini events here in the Mid-Atlantic states will
offer that exposure. Doug Furry carried the greatest
presence to the table, Todd Loffredo adapted the fastest
to the table, Steve Simon got the most irritated with
trying to block any shot, and Johnny Valles still owes
me $35.00. As far as I know, there have been no Bonzini
Foosball tournaments in the U.S. until February of 1998.
So if Mr. Loffredo wants to add this table to his resume,
he can knock one out this year. We will be assembling a
U.S. team for the French Nationals to be held in Nantes
in July and would like to see some of the top U.S. players
join us for this trip.
If you talk to Dave Z., Greg K., or Mark F. give
them my regards.
P.S. What was my partners name at Cafe Kick?
It was Nick ________???
Alan
Bruce Nardoci
joe wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> I've been to Bullwacker's half-a-dozen times and never lost a game. It is
> (clipped)
>
> Joseph B. Stone, Shapeshifter
> CutBank, Montana 1956 - 1974
> Missoula, Montana 1974 -1975
> Kalispell, Montana 1975 -1975
> Phoenix, Arizona 1975 - 1977
> Cut Bank, Missoula, Hot Springs,
> Kalispell 1977 - 1978
> San Deigo, CA 1978 - 1979
> Norfolk/Little Cr, VA 1979 - 1980 - Bruce, I'm a really big Native guy,
> who used to hang around Gary's Inn, The Thirsty Camel, and some Castle Joint
> in Hampton, I always wore a Billy Jack Hat in those days and ran around with
> the amphibious types Europe, Mid-East ...Blah Blah Blah
> (clipped)
Joe, Since I live/lived in NC, and VA Beach/Norfolk is several hours
away, I only go there for major tournaments, so I might not have ever
run into you. Did you ever play in any tournaments in that area (besides
the weekly DYP types?). If so, I probably ran into you (and in fact
would most likely have the tournament chart so I could look up how you
did :-).
The Bryn
> still standing?
The Bryn
Dave Ziemann
Café Kick in London:
1st "England" Alan Cribbs & Nik Herm £50
2nd "Italy" Bruce Nardoci & Tow Lawler £30
3rd "Northern Ireland" Martina Bramkamp & Steve Smith £10
Dave Ziemann
cri...@hotmail.com wrote in message <86fg0e$svv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Boris
>P.S. What was my partners name at Cafe Kick?
> It was Nick ________???
>Alan
The results were:
1st "England" Alan Cribbs & Nik Herm
Ł50
2nd "Italy" Bruce Nardoci & Tom Lawler
Ł30
3rd "Northern Ireland" Martina Bramkamp & Steve Smith Ł10
PS - Alan - any chance of those table dimensions for Bonzini-RP? -
nearly completed the comparison table.
M...@me.com
Get the video , his shot is amazing , all the pros are amazing .
If you love Foosball the video is worth it .
I got the 6 hour 1999 World Championship video .
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:57:16 -0700, "Travis Higdon"
<hig...@u.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
>Clipped from the "push shot" thread...
>>You are right, no one is copying him because they can't. Why, because the
>>front pin shot is not an easy shot to learn especially the way Frederico
>>dances that ball around.
>
>
>Okay, I've heard nothing buy praise for this shot, and now I want to see it.
>The front pin is one of my favorites simply because I don't have a clue how
>to execute it with any results. Frederico gets props for mastering this shot
>and I would love to see some video footage of it. Does anyone know where
>some downloadable movies could be found? I'm not quite to the stage where
>I'm buying foos videos, but it may come to that.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Travis
>
>
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