Europaliga vs Europa confrence

[Binder Dundat]

Since the beginning of time people have debated whether the Europa League or the Europa Confrence League is better. If you asked me about 3 hours ago, I would have said, "What the Hell is the Europa Conference League?" and "of course the Europa league is better".

In a very conclusive and scientific study, we can lookk at the two early games today,
Leipzig v Atalanta
and
Feyenoord v Slavia Prague

I watched the Red Bull v Atalanta match. Atalanta should have had a bigger lead than 1-0 at half time and Red Bull will be a bit disappointed they did not have a 2-1 lead at the end of the 2nd half, but in the end, maybe 1-1 was about right.

Now going strictly by the numbers the Feynoord v Praga match was better, three times better, it ended 3-3.

So there you have it all very scientific, but the Conference League is better

EUROPA

RB Leipzig
1
Atalanta
1

HT
Eintracht Frankfurt
0
Barcelona
0
Frankfurt actually doing well and probably had the better chances.


HT
SC Braga
1
Rangers
0

HT
West Ham
0
Lyon
0


CONFERENCE

FT Feyenoord 3 - 3 Slavia Praha
' Leicester City 0 - 0 PSV
Bodø / Glimt 0 - 1 Roma
Olympique Marseille 2 - 0 PAOK

[Jesper Lauridsen]

On 2022-04-07, Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bodų / Glimt 0 - 1 Roma

Bodų already thrashed Roma this season, so why are they playing again?

[Binder Dundat]

So if we take this study to the next level and include all games today, we have

Europa League three 1-1 draws and a measly 1-0 win for a total of 6 points and 7 goals.

07.04.22 19:45 FT RB Leipzig 1 - 1 Atalanta (0 - 1)
07.04.22 22:00 FT Eintracht Frankfurt 1 - 1 Barcelona (0 - 0)
It is already April 7 today! Wow, where did March go? Eintracht with a huge shock result, possibly the biggest shock in the history of football , what is even mote shocking, they were unlucky not to win.

07.04.22 22:00 FT * SC Braga 1 - 0 Rangers (1 - 0)
07.04.22 22:00 FT West Ham 1 - 1 Lyon (0 - 0)

vs a 3-3 and 0-0 draw and two 2-1 wins for a total of 8 points and 12 goals for the Conference.
The science doesnt lie. If we want to be truly all scientific, we would incorporate the next legs results and the amount of games going to ET and PKs, that would conclusively tell us the better liga

07.04.22 19:45 FT Feyenoord 3 - 3 Slavia Praha (1 - 1)
07.04.22 22:00 FT * Bodo/Glimt 2 - 1 AS Roma (0 - 1)
07.04.22 22:00 FT Leicester 0 - 0 PSV Eindhoven (0 - 0)
07.04.22 22:00 FT * Marseille 2 - 1 PAOK

[Real Mardin]

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 9:08:45 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
> Since the beginning of time people have debated whether the Europa League or the Europa Confrence League is better.

More to the point - has the Conference League achieved what it set out to? Perhaps judgement shouldn't be made after only one season but the last 8 seems to have a lot of Europa League level sides and not the "third tier" European sides I thought the tournament was supposed to be giving a chance to?


RM

[Mark]

What the Hell is the Europa Conference League?

Seriously though, I've got no idea!

[Blueshirt]

Mark wrote:

> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 10:37:50 PM UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 9:08:45 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat
> > wrote:
> > > Since the beginning of time people have debated whether the
> > > Europa League or the Europa Confrence League is better.
> >
> > More to the point - has the Conference League achieved what it set
> > out to? Perhaps judgement shouldn't be made after only one season
> > but the last 8 seems to have a lot of Europa League level sides and
> > not the "third tier" European sides I thought the tournament was
> > supposed to be giving a chance to?
>

> What the Hell is the Europa Conference League?
> Seriously though, I've got no idea!

It's taken you the whole season to ask about a competition that's been
sunning since July/August?

Pay attention at the back! ;-)

[Werner Pichler]

Personally, I'd say so. The last time one of the eight remaining teams in the competition has won a UEFA title
was Feyenoord in the 2001/02 UEFA Cup, and they haven't reached a European quarterfinal since. It's exactly that
kind of team, usually eliminated in the CL round of 16 or the EL semifinals at the latest (sole exception Marseille),
that the competition was designed for. Overall, the matches have been entertaining and competitive, and there's
nothing not to like about seeing Roma develope a serious rivalry with Bodø/Glimt.

Two things holding the competition back - as I've often said before, it should not be held in the same timeslot as the
Europa League, and not using VAR is a travesty. Slavia's 1-1 equaliser yesterday e.g. was an egregious missed offside
that simply shouldn't happen anymore in this day and age.


Ciao,
Werner

[Binder Dundat]

Wait, whaaat? No VARobots in the Europa Conference liga, no need for any more testing, we have a winner.



>
>
> Ciao,
> Werner

[Real Mardin]

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 5:15:21 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 11:37:50 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 9:08:45 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
> > > Since the beginning of time people have debated whether the Europa League or the Europa Confrence League is better.
> >
> > More to the point - has the Conference League achieved what it set out to? Perhaps judgement shouldn't be made after only one season but the last 8 seems to have a lot of Europa League level sides and not the
> > "third tier" European sides I thought the tournament was supposed to be giving a chance to?
> Personally, I'd say so. The last time one of the eight remaining teams in the competition has won a UEFA title
> was Feyenoord in the 2001/02 UEFA Cup, and they haven't reached a European quarterfinal since. It's exactly that
> kind of team, usually eliminated in the CL round of 16 or the EL semifinals at the latest (sole exception Marseille),
> that the competition was designed for.

I've looked back at some articles from when the competition was first mooted and I'm not sure the competition was originally designed for teams like Feyenoord. The early talk was of a competition possibly exclusively for lower ranked nations to give their teams a chance of a run in Europe. It seems at some stage the idea changed to accommodate teams from the higher ranked nations and teams who've dropped out of the Europa League, which is why we have a last eight with 5 teams from top 10 UEFA club coefficient nations, with the other three coming from top 20 ranking nations.

If the competition had been kept as a genuine third tier tournament restricted to nations ranked (say) below 20, we may have had the opportunity to see teams from countries like Sweden, Israel, Hungary, Bosnia or Finland have a run to the later stages of a European competition. If the first season is anything to go by it feels like it just gives teams from higher ranked nations who've under performed either the previous season or in the current season's Europa League a way of ensuring they're still on our tv screens on a Thursday night.


RM

[Werner Pichler]

On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 12:03:32 AM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 5:15:21 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 11:37:50 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
> > > On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 9:08:45 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
> > > > Since the beginning of time people have debated whether the Europa League or the Europa Confrence League is better.
> > >
> > > More to the point - has the Conference League achieved what it set out to? Perhaps judgement shouldn't be made after only one season but the last 8 seems to have a lot of Europa League level sides and not the
> > > "third tier" European sides I thought the tournament was supposed to be giving a chance to?
> > Personally, I'd say so. The last time one of the eight remaining teams in the competition has won a UEFA title
> > was Feyenoord in the 2001/02 UEFA Cup, and they haven't reached a European quarterfinal since. It's exactly that
> > kind of team, usually eliminated in the CL round of 16 or the EL semifinals at the latest (sole exception Marseille),
> > that the competition was designed for.
>
> I've looked back at some articles from when the competition was first mooted and I'm not sure the competition was originally designed for teams like Feyenoord. The early talk was of a competition possibly
> exclusively for lower ranked nations to give their teams a chance of a run in Europe. It seems at some stage the idea changed to accommodate teams from the higher ranked nations and teams who've dropped out
> of the Europa League, which is why we have a last eight with 5 teams from top 10 UEFA club coefficient nations, with the other three coming from top 20 ranking nations.

It was designed to give the champions of these lower-ranked leagues a much bigger chance to reach a European group phase,
which it did - the champions of Gibraltar, Armenia and Estonia all featured for the first time in their association's history.
But except for those teams, I find the Conference League to be pretty close to the old Europa League strength-wise.

As was to be expected - with the Conference League the number of teams in a European group phase has increased from 80 to 96,
but those extra 16 teams come predominantly from among the champions of countries ranked above #20 (this year these were:
CRO, SWE, NOR, ISR, KAZ, BUL, ROM, POL, SLK, SLO, HUN, ARM, MDA, FIN, GIB, EST). (I say predominantly, because some of those
champions, like Dinamo Zagreb, might have made it to the group phase in previous years as well. But now these 16 spots are guaranteed.)

> If the competition had been kept as a genuine third tier tournament restricted to nations ranked (say) below 20, we may have had the opportunity to see teams from countries like Sweden

Norway not good enough for you? Last time a Norwegian team reached a quarterfinal was Vålerenga in the 1998-99
(last ever) Cup Winners' Cup (although Rosenborg's Champions League quarterfinal two years previously was more impressive),
and so far they've never managed to reach a semifinal. It's a historic chance for Bodø/Glimt - and one that would be seriously
diminished if the competition were as restricted as you suggested.
(Also, back then Vålerenga only had to win two rounds against the cup winners from Romania and Turkey to get to the QF.
Bodø/Glimt's achievement is far better.)

> Israel, Hungary, Bosnia or Finland

A team from Bosnia has so far never reached a European group phase, even under the current easy setup. Don't expect them to
fly high even if you cut out everyone above 20th place.

Generally, if you only want to see those teams between #20 and #55 slugging it out between themselves, may I suggest the early
qualifying rounds each summer where that's exactly what's happening? It's definitely my favourite part of the football season, but
even I wouldn't want to see the usual level of play there rewarded with a European trophy.

> have a run to the later stages of a European competition. If the first season is anything to go by it feels like it just gives teams from higher ranked nations who've under performed either the previous season or in the
> current season's Europa League

That might be applied, at most, to Leicester, PSV and Marseille, and two of those have been drawn against each other. Not so bad.


Ciao,
Werner

[Real Mardin]

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:50:07 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:

> Norway not good enough for you?

Norway would be plenty good enough for me if the other quarter finalists were from similarly ranked nations such as Israel, Sweden, Bulgaria etc. If this season is anything to go by it just feels that Bodo Glimt's inclusion, and also that of Slavia Prague and PAOK, is akin to tokenism in that it allows UEFA to claim that the tournament is for those clubs and nations previously under represented in the Champions and Europa League, whilst ignoring that the majority of the quarter finalists come from top 10 ranked nations. Marseille and Roma have enough recent Champions League and Europa League experience (with the all the revenue that brings) so as not to have required the safety net of the Conference League and even Leicester, whilst not having much of a history of European club football, have three recent Champions League or Europa League group stages under their belts, not to mention they have the massive competitive advantage of Premier League tv money. To my mind these are not the level of club that the Conference League was originally targeted at.

The working title of the Conference League was "Europa League 2" and it kind of tells - so far it just feels like an excuse to give Europa League level teams who haven't done the business on the pitch a second chance at the expense of third tier teams who could really benefit with the experience and revenue from a European cup run.

>
> Generally, if you only want to see those teams between #20 and #55 slugging it out between themselves, may I suggest the early
> qualifying rounds each summer where that's exactly what's happening?

Well quite, but those qualifying rounds are exactly that - qualifying rounds - what is needed is a full tournament where such teams can compete on an equal footing with one another. There is a place and a need for such tournaments, hence why the English Football League Trophy (open to third and fourth tier teams) has been running for so long.


RM

[Binder Dundat]

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 5:35:13 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
> So if we take this study to the next level and include all games today, we have

We will take this highly tactical study to the next level and tactically determine whether the UCL rejects are better than the Europa rejects. It is all about the tactics. Do the scribblers still go on about tactics?


Europa League three 1-1 draws and a measly 1-0 win for a total of 6 points and 7 goals. vs a 3-3 and 0-0 draw and two 2-1 wins for a total of 8 points and 12 goals for the Conference.


>
Europa League three 1-1 draws and a measly 1-0 win for a total of 6 points and 7 goals. vs a 3-3 and 0-0 draw and two 2-1 wins for a total of 8 points and 12 goals for the Conference.

[Binder Dundat]

Europa
Bergamo 0 - 1Leipzig HT
Open match, could go either way.

Conference
PSV 1 - 0 Lester HT

Away goal advantage for Europa so far, but Conference has a big advantage from lst week

Was just watching the weather in Winnipeg, not sure if Micheal is getting the same in Alberta, but the middle of the Iceberg is getting a snowstorm. Not here though. We are getting some rain, but it is relatively mild. You have to remember the iceberg is huge

[Binder Dundat]

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 1:42:25 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
> Europa
> Bergamo 0 - 1Leipzig HT
> Open match, could go either way.

Red Bull leading 2-0 with 5 minutes left. I can only assume this ref is a Dutchman. First he gives a hand ball call for a guy in the wall with his elbow covering his face, none of the Atalanta players were even asking, then on the next free kick, another ball is blasted at a players arm and he doesnt give a handball, but now all the Atalanta players are crying handball, so he goes to the VARobots for 5 minutes, but rightly does not give it, but still he took a long time, just like a Dutchman. Gave Red Bull a PK at the end for a light foul.

>
> Conference
> PSV 1 - 0 Lester HT
>
> Away goal advantage for Europa so far, but Conference has a big advantage from lst week

Confrence wins again
PSV 1 - 2 Lester

[Binder Dundat]

Obviously not a Dutchman reffing this game, proper penalty call after 2 minutes
Barca 0 - 1 Frankfurt

[Binder Dundat]

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 3:05:50 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
> Obviously not a Dutchman reffing this game, proper penalty call after 2 minutes
> Barca 0 - 1 Frankfurt

Great strike for the second goal by Borre, should be an "out of the box" 2 pointer (Mr. Lily White and I have discussed how it would make the game better to change the scoring if you awarded 2 points for an out of Box shot.). Frankfurt might just be able to hang on and pull of the biggest upset in the history of football.

In the big picture Conference 9 - 8 Europa ht

[Werner Pichler]

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 9:05:50 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
> Obviously not a Dutchman reffing this game, proper penalty call after 2 minutes
> Barca 0 - 1 Frankfurt

Don't know where they placed the mics, but it sounds like a Frankfurt home game.
Excellent first half by Eintracht. At first I thought Ter Stegen looked suspect agains Borré's
shot, but that was a perfectly placed rocket.


Ciao,
Werner

[Futbolmetrix]

Not a lot of drama in any of the ties. Only Slavia-Feyenoord hangs in the balance. I guess Barca still with a chance to come back just because they are Barca...

[Binder Dundat]

VARobots have revolted, the Robots refuse to communicate with the humans.

If they give this as a handball, then everyone is a dutchman.

[Werner Pichler]

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 10:18:05 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
> VARobots have revolted, the Robots refuse to communicate with the humans.
>
> If they give this as a handball, then everyone is a dutchman.

Have you now made your peace with the bots?

0-3 Kostić. This tie is not close, but fun.


Ciao,
Werner

[Binder Dundat]

OMG!!!!! This is the biggest upset in the history of football!

Barca 0 - 3 Eintracht 70 min

[Futbolmetrix]

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 4:25:23 PM UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
> > > Not a lot of drama in any of the ties. Only Slavia-Feyenoord hangs in the balance. I guess Barca still with a chance to come back just because they are Barca...

Feyenoord score two which should be enough to put the tie away. And just when we thought there would be no drama, 10-men Braga score and tie it up on aggregate.

[The Doctor]

In article <6310cae1-ccaf-46a7...@googlegroups.com>,

SFs are interesting!
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[Werner Pichler]

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 9:56:34 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 9:05:50 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
> > Obviously not a Dutchman reffing this game, proper penalty call after 2 minutes
> > Barca 0 - 1 Frankfurt
>
> Don't know where they placed the mics, but it sounds like a Frankfurt home game.

After the match:
https://twitter.com/RafaelEscrig/status/1514710774517837824

Estimation is about 25,000 Eintracht fans in the stadium. I guess there will be some serious
discussion about what Barça members actually do with their allotted tickets.


Ciao,
Werner

[Real Mardin]

On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 5:17:03 PM UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
> The working title of the Conference League was "Europa League 2" and it kind of tells - so far it just feels like an excuse to give Europa League level teams who haven't done the business on the pitch a second chance at the expense of third tier teams who could really benefit with the experience and revenue from a European cup run.

Of the Conference League quarter finals where clubs from top 10 ranked nations played teams from nations outside the top 10:


Roma 4 - Bodo Glimt 0 (Roma win 5-2 on aggregate)

Slavia Prague 1 - Feyenoord 3 (Feyenoord win 6-4 on aggregate)

PAOK 0 - Marseille 1 (Marseille win 3-1 on aggregate)


So with Leicester that's all four semi finalists from top 10 ranked nations. I have to say the final four would look good candidates for the Europa League in any other season.

For a competition that was supposed to increase diversity in participation and give those teams usually eliminated before they get to a group stage a real chance, this semi final line up is surely an abject failure. Of course, the fact that UEFA allowed teams from top 10 ranked nations and Europa League dropouts into the Conference League shows us there was another agenda at play.


RM

[The Doctor]

In article <fcd03b95-124e-4df3...@googlegroups.com>,

Braga down to 9 . How totally stupid!

Rangers should now breeze through.

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[Binder Dundat]

I think Red Bull vs West Ham and Eintracht v Rangers would have been better pairings, but we will see what happens. I am glad to see Szoboszlai finally getting a start, no less in the greatest, toughest, most prized European club competition of all time. This just shows you the Bundesliga is by far the greatest liga in Europe, maybe even the world?

[Binder Dundat]

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 2:51:32 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
> I think Red Bull vs West Ham and Eintracht v Rangers would have been better pairings, but we will see what happens. I am glad to see Szoboszlai finally getting a start, no less in the greatest, toughest, most prized European club competition of all time. This just shows you the Bundesliga is by far the greatest liga in Europe, maybe even the world?

Plenty of possession for Red Bull, but not much else, 0-0 ht and 1-1 ht in the other game, the Conference league with way more goals, 2.5 times more goals to be exact.

[Binder Dundat]

If we include the pre scripted sports entertainment UCL made specifically for the American and Asian markets with the two real European cups,
the fake liga wins, but it is not real, just including it cus I want to make everyone feel included.
UCL 9
Conference 7
Europa 4

As we all know the perfect game is 0-0 so the actual winner is the Europa. All those goals just cheapen things, like a whore wearing too much makeup, lipstick, hairspray and giant gaudy earrings

[Binder Dundat]

Bundesliga fans rejoice, Eintracht have made the Europa final and RedBull has not.

[The Doctor]

So who are your finalists and when?

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[Binder Dundat]

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 6:14:14 p.m. UTC-4, The Doctor wrote:
> So who are your finalists and when?

Going into the final
Conference 18 v Europa 16

UCL have been eliminated and had all points deducted due to match fixing and predictable script writing.

[Binder Dundat]

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 8:45:15 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 6:14:14 p.m. UTC-4, The Doctor wrote:
> > So who are your finalists and when?
> Going into the final
> Conference 18 v Europa 16
>
> UCL have been eliminated and had all points deducted due to match fixing and predictable script writing.

let me rephrase that from predictable to outrageous script writing, I mean c'mon, you kill the villians 3 times but they are still alive???? Not even the WWE does that!

Roma v Rotterdam
Frankfurt v Glasgow

[The Doctor]

In article <f81934e9-6340-42cf...@googlegroups.com>,

Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 8:45:15 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 6:14:14 p.m. UTC-4, The Doctor wrote:
>> > So who are your finalists and when?
>> Going into the final
>> Conference 18 v Europa 16
>>
>> UCL have been eliminated and had all points deducted due to match
>fixing and predictable script writing.
>
>let me rephrase that from predictable to outrageous script writing, I
>mean c'mon, you kill the villians 3 times but they are still alive????
>Not even the WWE does that!
>
>Roma v Rotterdam

Rotterdam!

>Frankfurt v Glasgow
>

Rangers!

[Blueshirt]

On 06/05/2022 03:50, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <f81934e9-6340-42cf...@googlegroups.com>,
> Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>

>> Roma v Rotterdam
>
> Rotterdam!

Nah, another trophy for Jose here I'd say...

>> Frankfurt v Glasgow
>
> Rangers!

Tough one to call...

[Binder Dundat]

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 6:15:07 a.m. UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 03:50, The Doctor wrote:
> > In article <f81934e9-6340-42cf...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Roma v Rotterdam

So, for whatever reason , the Conference final is being played sometime in the middle of summer, like long after everyone has closed up the football club and gone on summer holidays. No one even knows where it is being played either, it is like no one cares.

> >
> > Rotterdam!
>
> Nah, another trophy for Jose here I'd say...
>
> >> Frankfurt v Glasgow

The most important trophy in Europa liga football is on today and is in beautiful Sevilla. I was just in Sevilla a few years ago, OK more than a few years ago, a few years ago was covid, but not that long ago. People think of Frankfurt as rich bankers and financial districts, but it is actually full of dodgy Heroin addicts and street people. I see Glasgow full of guys in kilts smashing bottles over each others heads, I have never been up as far north as Scotland, but all of Northern England is that way ( sans kilts), so I have to assume Scotland is the same.

Up until now, I have thought Eintracht would lose every round they entered, yet they came through against the likes of Barca and West Ham and Betis. On the other hand I was surprised that Rangers beat Red Bull. Red Bull just looked off in that last game, like they had been drugged or something, which I have to assume is something Glaswegians did to them, you just cant trust the Scots, they invented England you know, how can you trust anyone who invented something as backwards and evil as England!

But yeah, for this game I think Frankfurt might just win, but I really dont think they have a good team, yet I dont really know what Rangers are all about, dont they have Stevie G as manager, he played in finals I assume. It really is one of those matches where I have no team I think will win. I would be draw for this, I give each team a 50% chance of winning.

[Mark]

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 1:14:13 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 6:15:07 a.m. UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
> > On 06/05/2022 03:50, The Doctor wrote:
> > > In article <f81934e9-6340-42cf...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Roma v Rotterdam
> So, for whatever reason , the Conference final is being played sometime in the middle of summer, like long after everyone has closed up the football club and gone on summer holidays. No one even knows where it is being played either, it is like no one cares.

Sounds like the Copa Argentina!

Talking of which, has Argentina officially gone back to a proper season that runs through the calendar year?

On the other hand I was surprised that Rangers beat Red Bull. Red Bull just looked off in that last game, like they had been drugged or something, which I have to assume is something Glaswegians did to them, you just cant trust the Scots, they invented England you know, how can you trust anyone who invented something as backwards and evil as England!
>

Can you back this up with any evidence? If Scotland did invent England I'll be shocked!

[MH]

They didn't just invent England:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Scots_Invented_the_Modern_World

(but to do that they had to invent or rather reconfigure England first).

Not sure how seriously to take it, the book is about the Scottish
enlightenment and its far reaching impact.

[MH]

On 2022-05-18 06:14, Binder Dundat wrote:
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 6:15:07 a.m. UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:
>> On 06/05/2022 03:50, The Doctor wrote:
>>> In article <f81934e9-6340-42cf...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Roma v Rotterdam
> So, for whatever reason , the Conference final is being played sometime in the middle of summer, like long after everyone has closed up the football club and gone on summer holidays. No one even knows where it is being played either, it is like no one cares.
>>>
>>> Rotterdam!
>>
>> Nah, another trophy for Jose here I'd say...
>>
>>>> Frankfurt v Glasgow
>
> The most important trophy in Europa liga football is on today and is in beautiful Sevilla. I was just in Sevilla a few years ago, OK more than a few years ago, a few years ago was covid, but not that long ago. People think of Frankfurt as rich bankers and financial districts, but it is actually full of dodgy Heroin addicts and street people. I see Glasgow full of guys in kilts smashing bottles over each others heads, I have never been up as far north as Scotland, but all of Northern England is that way ( sans kilts), so I have to assume Scotland is the same.
>
> Up until now, I have thought Eintracht would lose every round they entered, yet they came through against the likes of Barca and West Ham and Betis. On the other hand I was surprised that Rangers beat Red Bull. Red Bull just looked off in that last game, like they had been drugged or something, which I have to assume is something Glaswegians did to them, you just cant trust the Scots, they invented England you know, how can you trust anyone who invented something as backwards and evil as England!

I would have expected Frankfurt to win this. But on the other hand,
Rangers have got this far by winning unexpectedly against better
Bundesliga opposition than Eintracht - Dortmund and RB Leipzig.

538 has Rangers as very slight favourites but I really don't know why.
The teams is mostly EPL and lower division rejects, plus some promising
young Nigerians. They have been fun to watch - games have been
entertaining because they were pleasantly mistake-ridden. Not for the
purists.

Anyway, I think Rangers have ridden their luck so far, and Frankfurt
have not lost a game yet since the group stage, and have been pretty
convincing so far. Rangers have lost five games, and I dunno how they
will do without home advantage.

[Binder Dundat]

Prett sure it is in the bible and the Scottish book of facts, maybe Tucker Carlson's history of the world as well.

I have just come in from sitting on a lake with a pole in the water and getting drunk, some people call it fishing, but I was under the impression that the press was amking this seem like it owuld be open war between Eintracht and Rangers fans. I am hoping when I turn on the tv that they have pre game Flamenco dancing and stuff like that, not drunks vs Heroinaddicts fighting it out in those little narrow Sevilla street. A lot of peoples without tickets I heard?

[Binder Dundat]

Sevilla is full of Flamenco dancers, I remeber being in a taverna around Christmas and you had half the patrons able to do Flamenco( true story). this is like uncoordinated, fat children moving batons and trying to unveil banners. Just an outrage to any self respecting Flamenco dancer!

[Real Mardin]

100000 (one hundred thousand) Rangers fans in Seville but the stadium capacity is 42000 - you do the math!

RM

[Real Mardin]

Have to say atmosphere wise this looks and sounds like a proper European final - unlike a certain other competition I could mention.

RM

[Al Kamista]

On the other hand, the quality of the football is extremely low.

[Binder Dundat]

You can not pick a winner based upon the 1st half. The ref is actually consistent in not calling anything. I have to laff at the WWEpl commentators goin on about how every foul against Rangers is a certain foul and poor reffin, while every non call foul against eintracht is a good call and good reffin. And what is the deal, the fuckin idiot secondary guy, sounds like a chick!

What kinda wine goes well with Penalty kicks? Spanish, Sevillian Rose? It is either that or Quebcois IPA

[MH]

On 2022-05-18 13:54, Binder Dundat wrote:
> You can not pick a winner based upon the 1st half. The ref is actually consistent in not calling anything. I have to laff at the WWEpl commentators goin on about how every foul against Rangers is a certain foul and poor reffin, while every non call foul against eintracht is a good call and good reffin. And what is the deal, the fuckin idiot secondary guy, sounds like a chick!

Pretty sure that commentator is a woman. Don't like her voice or
accent, but she if often on DAZN, and is on the ball and knowledgeable.

> What kinda wine goes well with Penalty kicks? Spanish, Sevillian Rose? It is either that or Quebcois IPA
>
>

A Rioja or a Guard's Heavy ?
>

[MH]

On 2022-05-18 13:32, Al Kamista wrote:

>>>> I have just come in from sitting on a lake with a pole in the water and getting drunk, some people call it fishing, but I was under the impression that the press was amking this seem like it owuld be open war between Eintracht and Rangers fans. I am hoping when I turn on the tv that they have pre game Flamenco dancing and stuff like that, not drunks vs Heroinaddicts fighting it out in those little narrow Sevilla street. A lot of peoples without tickets I heard?
>>> 100000 (one hundred thousand) Rangers fans in Seville but the stadium capacity is 42000 - you do the math!
>>>
>>> RM
>> Have to say atmosphere wise this looks and sounds like a proper European final - unlike a certain other competition I could mention.
>
> On the other hand, the quality of the football is extremely low.

Well 34 degrees in Sevilla does not help, probably. Tempo has been slow
compared to all the Rangers games I have seen in this competition so far.

As for quality, well, Rangers' best attacking player is Liverpool reject
Ryan Kent, so what do you expect. Although Morelos, Hagi and others are
all injured.

[Binder Dundat]

I was watching RTL initially and they said it was 30C at kick off. Rtl only once steered me wrong and it was when Pigman was pre maturely reported dead.


but I thibk the quality of football has been good for what is a high pressure game for both teams. I t has not been flashy, but it has been a proper final.

The longer this goes on, the lees I know who will win. I normally have an idea who will win, but none in this game

[Binder Dundat]

Wait wahhaaat a Canadian is coming on for Glasgowers???? IOh well, I am all for them to win now

[Binder Dundat]

Did an American just come on for them????? Ohhhhhh I hate them so muuuuch

[Binder Dundat]

If you are playing FF, Knauff will be picked for Germany in the next international break.

Glasgow got like a 40 year old keeper, you cant win a shoot out with an ole geezer. They gotta win it now

And what i the deal with the dude sounds like a lady

[Al Kamista]

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:01:47 PM UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:20:36 p.m. UTC-4, MH wrote:
> > On 2022-05-18 13:32, Al Kamista wrote:
> >
> > >>>> I have just come in from sitting on a lake with a pole in the water and getting drunk, some people call it fishing, but I was under the impression that the press was amking this seem like it owuld be open war between Eintracht and Rangers fans. I am hoping when I turn on the tv that they have pre game Flamenco dancing and stuff like that, not drunks vs Heroinaddicts fighting it out in those little narrow Sevilla street. A lot of peoples without tickets I heard?
> > >>> 100000 (one hundred thousand) Rangers fans in Seville but the stadium capacity is 42000 - you do the math!
> > >>>
> > >>> RM
> > >> Have to say atmosphere wise this looks and sounds like a proper European final - unlike a certain other competition I could mention.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, the quality of the football is extremely low.
> > Well 34 degrees in Sevilla does not help, probably. Tempo has been slow
> > compared to all the Rangers games I have seen in this competition so far.
> >
> > As for quality, well, Rangers' best attacking player is Liverpool reject
> > Ryan Kent, so what do you expect. Although Morelos, Hagi and others are
> > all injured.
> I was watching RTL initially and they said it was 30C at kick off. Rtl only once steered me wrong and it was when Pigman was pre maturely reported dead.
>
>
> but I thibk the quality of football has been good for what is a high pressure game for both teams.

That's probably because you are used to watching low quality football in the Bundesliga.

[Al Kamista]

He looked like a solid prospect but unfortunately he turned out to be the next Aaron Lennon. Quick as a rabbit and a bag of tricks, but little end product.

[Al Kamista]

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:23:50 PM UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
> If you are playing FF, Knauff will be picked for Germany in the next international break.
>
> Glasgow got like a 40 year old keeper, you cant win a shoot out with an ole geezer. They gotta win it now

This part we do agree on. EF has a massive goalkeeper advantage.

But then again, guessing right has more to do with saving penalties than supreme ability.

[Real Mardin]

So as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow a German team will win on penalties?

RM

[Binder Dundat]

you are an idiot

[The Doctor]

Frankfurt 1st confirmed CL team in.

[Al Kamista]

Very rude.

[Jesus Petry]

A big hug to Matthias Mühlich, former RSSer (hopefully still a lurker) and Eintracht supporter, wherever he is these days!

Tchau!
Jesus Petry

[MH]

So the Bundesliga gets 5 CL places next year in the group stage. And
the associated bonus points in their coefficient.
Also means Eintracht will seeded in pot one, right ? That is a bit
unbalancing - I assume most pot 2 and 3 teams will want to draw them.

[Futbolmetrix]

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-4, jesus wrote:
> A big hug to Matthias Mühlich, former RSSer (hopefully still a lurker) and Eintracht supporter, wherever he is these days!

A bit of schadenfreude: glad to see Aaron "I stole my salary from Juve for two years" Ramsey miss the decisive penalty

[Al Kamista]

Wow, looks like the Bianconeri faithful really hold a grudge against Ramsey? (was reading about this elsewhere as well).