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Al Kamista

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Mar 8, 2022, 2:29:36 PM3/8/22
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Why not?

LFC (2-0) Inter

A 2-0 lead on a European night at Anfield. What could go wrong? Everything, starting with complacency.

Bayern (1-1) Salzburg

A Salzburg upset would be beyond epic.

Binder Dundat

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Mar 8, 2022, 2:52:52 PM3/8/22
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On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:29:36 p.m. UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Why not?
>
> LFC (2-0) Inter
>
> A 2-0 lead on a European night at Anfield. What could go wrong? Everything, starting with complacency.
Nothing can go wrong, though Inter are a decent team.

>
> Bayern (1-1) Salzburg
>
> A Salzburg upset would be beyond epic.

But not out of the question. Bayern have not looked good lately, Salzburg have some busy and quick attackers, I am predicting at least a draw. It is practically a derby match as well, I dunno, maybe Werner or Jesper or Bruce are there? Could be the last game of the UCL this season?

Binder Dundat

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Mar 8, 2022, 3:14:48 PM3/8/22
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I want to say a terrible dive by Lewandowski, but I just cant say anything bad about the Polish ( it was a clear penal). Lewa converts 1-0. Lots of time left...

Binder Dundat

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Mar 8, 2022, 3:29:28 PM3/8/22
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I cant blame Lewandowski for this penal. I think it should be considered outside the box, though initial contact may have been inside. I was OK with the run up to the kick on the first one, but I didnt like the stop -start on this one. Though not as bad as some he has taken. It dont matter none, he scored again and it is 3-0 after, like 20 minutes.

Time to see if Inter can pull it off.

Jesper Lauridsen

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Mar 8, 2022, 3:35:54 PM3/8/22
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On 2022-03-08, Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I want to say a terrible dive by Lewandowski, but I just cant say
> anything bad about the Polish ( it was a clear penal). Lewa
> converts 1-0. Lots of time left...

I like that Wober guy. One of the Borussias should sign him.

Jesper Lauridsen

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Mar 8, 2022, 3:35:54 PM3/8/22
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On 2022-03-08, Al Kamista <alka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Why not?
>
> LFC (2-0) Inter
>
> A 2-0 lead on a European night at Anfield. What could go wrong?
> Everything, starting with complacency.

Liverpool fielding the A team, so that doesn't seem to be the case.

Binder Dundat

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Mar 8, 2022, 4:02:54 PM3/8/22
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I really like Arnold, a true natural skilled footballer. 0-0, but Liverpool in no harm, meanwhile Bayern 4-0.

Disappointed in Casino Salzburg, Bayern was there for the taking, they got too nervous and fouled Lewandowski too much.

Binder Dundat

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Mar 8, 2022, 4:26:29 PM3/8/22
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Game on in Liverpool.

Binder Dundat

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Mar 8, 2022, 4:28:36 PM3/8/22
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On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 4:02:54 p.m. UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:
Even the Limeys saying the Sanchez red card was harsh. Is Liverpool one of those Russian sponsored teams?

Futbolmetrix

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Mar 8, 2022, 4:38:15 PM3/8/22
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On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 11:28:36 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
> Even the Limeys saying the Sanchez red card was harsh. Is Liverpool one of those Russian sponsored teams?

Even a die-hard ABI like me has to admit that it was no card.
I wouldn't mind Inter dragging it to extra time and penalties, only to go out in the most soul-crushing way possible.

Futbolmetrix

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Mar 8, 2022, 4:43:08 PM3/8/22
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Nice of Liverpool to keep on targeting the goalposts to keep the dream alive

Al Kamista

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Mar 8, 2022, 5:06:59 PM3/8/22
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On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 4:38:15 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 11:28:36 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
> > Even the Limeys saying the Sanchez red card was harsh. Is Liverpool one of those Russian sponsored teams?
> Even a die-hard ABI like me has to admit that it was no card.

I'm trying to be as objective as possible here -

Sanchez did win the ball first, but if you're going to fly into a challenge then the onus is on you to ensure that no one feels their studs on their leg after the fact. A red it definitely was not, but as a yellow I think it was the right call.

Maybe our resident referee HASM can weigh in?

The Doctor

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Mar 8, 2022, 5:09:24 PM3/8/22
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In article <4234a9a1-f044-4816...@googlegroups.com>,
ll Liverpool and BMunich more on.
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Al Kamista

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Mar 8, 2022, 5:09:56 PM3/8/22
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On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:09:24 PM UTC-5, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <4234a9a1-f044-4816...@googlegroups.com>,
> Al Kamista <alka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 4:38:15 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 11:28:36 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
> >> > Even the Limeys saying the Sanchez red card was harsh. Is Liverpool one
> >of those Russian sponsored teams?
> >> Even a die-hard ABI like me has to admit that it was no card.
> >
> >I'm trying to be as objective as possible here -
> >
> >Sanchez did win the ball first, but if you're going to fly into a challenge
> >then the onus is on you to ensure that no one feels their studs on their leg
> >after the fact. A red it definitely was not, but as a yellow I think it was
> >the right call.
> >
> >Maybe our resident referee HASM can weigh in?
> ll Liverpool and BMunich more on.

Thanks Doc.

Futbolmetrix

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Mar 8, 2022, 5:23:04 PM3/8/22
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On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 12:09:56 AM UTC+2, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

> > ll Liverpool and BMunich more on.

I see that Inter are going out with their heads held high and all that. Well, good for the Serie A UEFA coefficient (and bad for Inter's opponents in the Serie A race) but a team with Inter's ambitions shouldn't be celebrating a defeat.

HASM

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Mar 9, 2022, 1:57:48 AM3/9/22
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Al Kamista <alka...@hotmail.com> writes:

> Sanchez did win the ball first, but if you're going to fly into a
> challenge then the onus is on you to ensure that no one feels their
> studs on their leg after the fact.

> Maybe our resident referee HASM can weigh in?

That's what I was taught multiple times in refresher meetings. Flying
in, studs showing, can't control leg once in the air, all conditions are
met for it to be either a caution or ejection.

If you look at it as an isolated incident, without the context of when
it happened, it is hard to argue that this is not at least a caution.

I would think most people questioning the caution are doing so because
it is the second caution, resulting in an ejection.

If you don't card this, you're going to have the same amount of people
on the other side complaining just as hard, and, much worse, what are
you going to do when someone on the other team does the same thing 5
minutes later? Recipe for losing control of the match.

-- HASM


Al Kamista

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Mar 9, 2022, 9:13:18 AM3/9/22
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On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 1:57:48 AM UTC-5, HASM wrote:
> Al Kamista <alka...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > Sanchez did win the ball first, but if you're going to fly into a
> > challenge then the onus is on you to ensure that no one feels their
> > studs on their leg after the fact.
> > Maybe our resident referee HASM can weigh in?
> That's what I was taught multiple times in refresher meetings. Flying
> in, studs showing, can't control leg once in the air, all conditions are
> met for it to be either a caution or ejection.
>
> If you look at it as an isolated incident, without the context of when
> it happened, it is hard to argue that this is not at least a caution.
>
> I would think most people questioning the caution are doing so because
> it is the second caution, resulting in an ejection.

Spot on. I think most critics of the decision are subconsciously looking at it as a red card decision, which it wasn't.

Al Kamista

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Mar 9, 2022, 12:31:50 PM3/9/22
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Today's fixtures

Man C (5-0) Sporting

I'm pretty sure City will advance here.

Real M (0-1) PSG

New evil vs. old evil.

PSG and Man U, maybe the only two teams in the world I would support Real Madrid over.

The Doctor

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Mar 9, 2022, 3:59:20 PM3/9/22
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In article <29f6fe1c-bc90-422c...@googlegroups.com>,
PSG up 2 and Man C still up 5.

Al Kamista

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Mar 9, 2022, 4:41:24 PM3/9/22
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Sp PSG with the most epic meltdown.

Up 1-0 (2-0 agg) from teh first and in total control, then.....
1) Donnaruma has a brain fart and gives the ball away, Benzema scores
2) Neymar gives the ball cheaply away for a counter, Benzema scores
30 Verratti gives it away cheaply on the subsequent kickoff, and then Marquinhos gives it away again after recovering it, Benzema scores

3-2 RM on aggregate, 9 min s to go.

Al Kamista

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Mar 9, 2022, 4:43:59 PM3/9/22
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This is all on Pochettino btw. Up 2-0 until minute 75 and he leaves Mbappe, Messi, Neymar all on. Neymar in particular has been woeful all game. No sense of game management. Shockingly naive coaching.

Al Kamista

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Mar 9, 2022, 4:55:20 PM3/9/22
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Old evil beats new evil 3-2.

BWAHAHAHAHA at PSG and their dickhead owners.

Blueshirt

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Mar 9, 2022, 4:55:20 PM3/9/22
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On 09/03/2022 21:41, Al Kamista wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 12:31:50 PM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
>>
>> PSG and Man U, maybe the only two teams in the world I would support Real Madrid over.
>
> Sp PSG with the most epic meltdown.

Isn't that what PSG do in the CL? <shrugs>

Blueshirt

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Mar 9, 2022, 4:59:54 PM3/9/22
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On 09/03/2022 21:43, Al Kamista wrote:
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> This is all on Pochettino btw. Up 2-0 until minute 75 and he leaves Mbappe, Messi, Neymar all on. Neymar in particular has been woeful all game. No sense of game management. Shockingly naive coaching.

An overrated manager at an overrated club...

Man United will probably go and sign Mauricio Pochettino as their next
manager in the summer now!

Real Mardin

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Mar 9, 2022, 5:19:57 PM3/9/22
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Glenn Hoddle was the pundit on BT Sports and I liked his description of PSG's defensive howlers as "school boy errors but by school boys who've never played football before".

Never really been a Real Madrid fan but then PSG and their embarrassment of riches are very hard to root for too. These teams are basically two sides of the same coin, but as it was hilarious watching PSG snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, for tonight I'll say - Hala Madrid!

RM

The Doctor

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Mar 9, 2022, 6:20:50 PM3/9/22
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In article <950e7066-9c74-4665...@googlegroups.com>,
Oiof! RM and Man C in the hat.

The Doctor

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Mar 9, 2022, 6:21:18 PM3/9/22
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In article <t0b7o5$4q1$1...@dont-email.me>,
LOL!

ixion martin - GdBx

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Mar 9, 2022, 7:12:43 PM3/9/22
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Al Kamista a exprimé avec précision :
> 1) Donnaruma has a brain fart and gives the ball away,
> Benzema scores

With a big foul from Benzema.
But it is Madrid so there is no foul.
In the other sens, the goal would have been disallowed.

Usual good refereeing for Spanish clubs.
Usual bad refereeing for French clubs.
Nothing new here.

--
Ixion

Ion Saliu

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Mar 10, 2022, 5:23:26 AM3/10/22
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On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 2:12:43 AM UTC+2, ixion martin - GdBx wrote with random precision:
> Al Kamista a exprimé avec précision :
> > 1) Donnaruma has a brain fart and gives the ball away,
> > Benzema scores

Ixion a exprimé avec précision aléatoire:

> With a big foul from Benzema.
• D’accord, l’axiomatique!

> But it is Madrid so there is no foul.
> In the other sens, the goal would have been disallowed.
• D’accord, le copain!

> Usual good refereeing for Spanish clubs.
• Not really, buddy! A French player badly stepped on Benzema’s foot. Yellow card, at least! NOT! Not even foul!!

> Usual bad refereeing for French clubs.
• It goes both ways. See above. Still, the Dutch referee was so bad, she should be excluded from international refereeing.

> Nothing new here.
• Everything is new –
“We can never step in the same river twice.” – Heraclitus.

> --
> Ixion

• Ion

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Ammammata

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Mar 10, 2022, 6:26:00 AM3/10/22
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Il giorno Tue 08 Mar 2022 08:29:34p, *Al Kamista* ha inviato su
rec.sport.soccer il messaggio news:50b42095-c720-4701-914c-
3146e2...@googlegroups.com. Vediamo cosa ha scritto:

> Subject: UCL 2022/23

2022/23 ?

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Ion Saliu

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Mar 10, 2022, 6:39:54 AM3/10/22
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Correctomundo: 2022/21 <

Al Kamista

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Mar 10, 2022, 8:17:53 AM3/10/22
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On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 6:26:00 AM UTC-5, Ammammata wrote:
> Il giorno Tue 08 Mar 2022 08:29:34p, *Al Kamista* ha inviato su
> rec.sport.soccer il messaggio news:50b42095-c720-4701-914c-
> 3146e2...@googlegroups.com. Vediamo cosa ha scritto:
>
> > Subject: UCL 2022/23
>
> 2022/23 ?

Sorry, Covid has completely skewed my sense of time and years. My wife often reminds me that it's 2022 and not 2021. Looks like I overcompensated and went into 2023.

Al Kamista

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Mar 10, 2022, 8:19:00 AM3/10/22
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On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 7:12:43 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
> Al Kamista a exprimé avec précision :
> > 1) Donnaruma has a brain fart and gives the ball away,
> > Benzema scores
> With a big foul from Benzema.

Yes, it could have been a foul.

But that's not why PSG lost. They lost because they completely lost their heads like a bunch of amateur schoolboys.

HASM

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Mar 10, 2022, 2:00:17 PM3/10/22
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>>> 1) Donnaruma has a brain fart and gives the ball away,
>>> Benzema scores
>> With a big foul from Benzema.
> Yes, it could have been a foul.

I've only watched the first half, then had other things to do and missed all the excitement.

In that first half there were a lot of "that looked like a foul to me" moments, for both sides, and when I saw the 1-1 replay later on I thought it was in that some category.

Consistently lenient, as someone on reddit put it, thus not calling it was just status quo, but this resulted in a goal and with VAR it should probably have been called back.

Actually in Paris this week, could have tried to find Ixion. Games at 9 pm are not as easy to watch as during lunch time in California.

-- HASM

Al Kamista

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Mar 15, 2022, 6:41:20 PM3/15/22
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On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:29:36 PM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
> Why not?
>
> LFC (2-0) Inter
>
> A 2-0 lead on a European night at Anfield. What could go wrong? Everything, starting with complacency.
>
> Bayern (1-1) Salzburg
>
> A Salzburg upset would be beyond epic.

Man U 0-1 (1-2 agg) Atletico

United are a shit team that deserved to go out but Atletico are a disgrace to football.

Ajax 0-1 (2-3 agg) Benfica

538's SPI doesn't look too clever now. Or maybe Benfica is carrying a yet-to-be-known new golden generation. We shall find out soon enough.

The Doctor

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Mar 15, 2022, 7:44:42 PM3/15/22
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In article <8c9633f9-721f-4082...@googlegroups.com>,
REmind who is in the Hat?

I will be watching Arsenal v Liverpool tomorrow!
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Ion Saliu

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On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 1:44:42 AM UTC+2, The Doctor wrote:


> REmind who is in the Hat?
>
> I will be watching Arsenal v Liverpool tomorrow!
> --

They’ve already drawn the quarterfinals in UCL 2022/21? Hmm! Methinks Liverpool advances easily. Arsenal got no chance whatsoever...

The Doctor

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Mar 16, 2022, 10:56:43 AM3/16/22
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In article <ba9d7956-1cde-4c7e...@googlegroups.com>,
With EPL make up games today, I will not be
able to see the UCL games today.

Werner Pichler

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Mar 16, 2022, 5:42:51 PM3/16/22
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I've noticed a severe lack of anti-weauxfing in this thread, and Juve are paying dearly for it.


Ciao,
Werner

Binder Dundat

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Mar 16, 2022, 5:47:33 PM3/16/22
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This lack of away goals has ruined everything. Not one of the eight games going to ET. I was thinking that JJ vs Villa was going to, but that aint happening.

Futbolmetrix

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Mar 16, 2022, 6:22:12 PM3/16/22
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On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 5:42:51 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
> I've noticed a severe lack of anti-weauxfing in this thread, and Juve are paying dearly for it.
>

It was pretty obvious that the match would have been decided on an isolated episode. Two sides terrified to put the foot on the accelerator until Rugani's foul. That's the direct consequence of the abolition of the Away Goal Rule. You get what you paid for.

Football sucks. The Champions League sucks.

Ion Saliu

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Mar 17, 2022, 5:30:43 AM3/17/22
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Axiomatics:

How ‘bout reviving the oldest rule in European football competitions? “A third match on a neutral site.”

For example: 1 – 3 and 2 – 0; aggregate score 3 – 3. A third game followed on a neutral site (different country). More exciting! More football, huh? Third countries from the lower football tiers had the opportunity to witness higher-level football. Like Albania hosting the decisive third match between Liverpool and Inter.

Unfortunately, the governing bodies have crowded the schedules to inhumane levels.

“Football sucks. The Champions League sucks.”

Long live European Super League (ESL)!

Ion Saliu

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Mar 17, 2022, 5:58:49 AM3/17/22
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Axiomatics:

Somebody is playing games in this newsgroup. He/they add some 17 messages from another thread to this very thread. I post the following reply:

“How da hell did these last 17 messages appear in this thread (UCL 2022/23 R16 2nd Legs [R])? Who did it and how da hell did they do it?”

My reply and the 17 extra posts will disappear soon thereafter! It’s insane, pal! Or, is it the hand of UEFA because of my reference to ESL?

The Doctor

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Mar 17, 2022, 8:06:32 AM3/17/22
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So in the hat are

Villarreal
Chelsea
Benfica
Amadrid
Man C
Real M
BMunich
Liverpool

Possible draw

A Madrid vs Man C

B Munich vs Liverpool

Real Madrid vs Benfica

Chelsea vs Villarreal

Ion Saliu

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Mar 17, 2022, 8:51:35 AM3/17/22
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On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 2:06:32 PM UTC+2, The Doctor wrote:
> So in the hat are
>
> Villarreal
> Chelsea
> Benfica
> Amadrid
> Man C
> Real M
> BMunich
> Liverpool
>
> Possible draw
>
> A Madrid vs Man C
>
> B Munich vs Liverpool
>
> 3 Real Madrid vs Benfica
>
> D Chelsea vs Villarreal
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Al Kamista

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Mar 17, 2022, 10:24:54 AM3/17/22
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So the abolishment of an archaic and arbitrary rule, that would have given Juventus a random "lead" in the tie even though both teams had scored exactly the same number of goals, is to be rued because the game was unadventurous?

<insert image of the world's smallest violin here>

:-)

MH

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Mar 17, 2022, 10:56:04 AM3/17/22
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On 2022-03-16 16:22, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 5:42:51 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
>> I've noticed a severe lack of anti-weauxfing in this thread, and Juve are paying dearly for it.
>>
>
> It was pretty obvious that the match would have been decided on an isolated episode. Two sides terrified to put the foot on the accelerator until Rugani's foul. That's the direct consequence of the abolition of the Away Goal Rule.

Interesting that none of the 8 fixtures went to extra time, though.
Let's see what the total is after today's matches.

But I don't see the logic of blaming this on the away goal rule.
Presumably the match would have been equally cautious , with Juve in
particular taking no risks and hoping to score on the counter, and
Villareal only cranking up the intensity in the last quarter hour.

MH

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Mar 17, 2022, 10:58:39 AM3/17/22
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On 2022-03-17 06:06, The Doctor wrote:
> So in the hat are
>
> Villarreal
> Chelsea
> Benfica
> Amadrid
> Man C
> Real M
> BMunich
> Liverpool
>
> Possible draw
>
> A Madrid vs Man C
>
> B Munich vs Liverpool
>
> Real Madrid vs Benfica
>
> Chelsea vs Villarreal
>
>
I would not mind seeing:

Liverpool - Benfica
Chelsea - Real Madrid
Man City - Bayern
Villareal - Atletico

or

Liverpool - Villareal
Chelsea - Bayern
Atletico - Benfica
Man City - Real



Al Kamista

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Mar 17, 2022, 11:13:37 AM3/17/22
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Interestingly, the two CL QF legs sandwich the City-LFC title-edging showdown in April. If one team gets a much easier draw than the other, it could have a profound effect on the EPL title race.

And of course if they draw each other then it could be the mother of all battles between the two clubs - they'll play each other thrice in a week - each game being as big as the other two.

Werner Pichler

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Mar 17, 2022, 11:30:32 AM3/17/22
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On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 3:56:04 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
> On 2022-03-16 16:22, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 5:42:51 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
> >> I've noticed a severe lack of anti-weauxfing in this thread, and Juve are paying dearly for it.
> >>
> >
> > It was pretty obvious that the match would have been decided on an isolated episode. Two sides terrified to put the foot on the accelerator until Rugani's foul.
> > That's the direct consequence of the abolition of the Away Goal Rule.
>
> Interesting that none of the 8 fixtures went to extra time, though.
> Let's see what the total is after today's matches.

Well there have already been a ton of matches played according to the new rules in the qualifiers,
and the percentage of ties that went to extra time has roughly doubled.

> But I don't see the logic of blaming this on the away goal rule.
> Presumably the match would have been equally cautious , with Juve in
> particular taking no risks and hoping to score on the counter, and
> Villareal only cranking up the intensity in the last quarter hour.
> You get what you paid for.
> >
> > Football sucks. The Champions League sucks.

Is there any soul-searching among Juventinos about their SuperLeague credentials
when they now have been eliminated by, in turn, Ajax, Lyon, Porto, and Villarreal?


Ciao,
Werner

Futbolmetrix

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Mar 17, 2022, 3:53:24 PM3/17/22
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On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 10:24:54 AM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

> > It was pretty obvious that the match would have been decided on an isolated episode. Two sides terrified to put the foot on the accelerator until Rugani's foul. That's the direct consequence of the abolition of the Away Goal Rule. You get what you paid for.
> So the abolishment of an archaic and arbitrary rule, that would have given Juventus a random "lead" in the tie even though both teams had scored exactly the same number of goals, is to be rued because the game was unadventurous?
>
> <insert image of the world's smallest violin here>
>
> :-)

This really had nothing to do with Juve being on the short end of the rule change. I have been consistently in favor AGR, even when Juve went out to Lyon and Porto in the past two CL seasons because of AGR.

Futbolmetrix

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Mar 17, 2022, 3:58:48 PM3/17/22
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On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 11:30:32 AM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
> Well there have already been a ton of matches played according to the new rules in the qualifiers,
> and the percentage of ties that went to extra time has roughly doubled.

Yep. In the long run, expect about 15% of ties to go to ET.

> Is there any soul-searching among Juventinos about their SuperLeague credentials
> when they now have been eliminated by, in turn, Ajax, Lyon, Porto, and Villarreal?

Soul-searching about our credentials? Not really. How many other teams have made it to the CL last 16 in each of the past 8 years?

Soul-searching about the decision to bring back Allegri on a 5-year contract with massive wages? Plenty.
(for others: soul-searching about the decision to let Allegri go away 3 years ago...)

Blueshirt

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Mar 17, 2022, 4:00:33 PM3/17/22
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On 17/03/2022 09:58, Ion Saliu wrote:
>
> Somebody is playing games in this newsgroup. He/they add some 17 messages from another thread to this very thread. I post the following reply:
>
> “How da hell did these last 17 messages appear in this thread (UCL 2022/23 R16 2nd Legs [R])? Who did it and how da hell did they do it?”
>
> My reply and the 17 extra posts will disappear soon thereafter! It’s insane, pal! Or, is it the hand of UEFA because of my reference to ESL?

Clearly it's a Russian cyberattack on RSS to deny the liberty and free
speech of us all here to discuss tournaments that Russian teams can't
play in.

I think I preferred it when Donald Trump got the blame for everything
that went wrong in the world though...

Bring back the good ol' days...

#TRUMP OUT!

Ion Saliu

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Mar 18, 2022, 7:09:43 AM3/18/22
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Axiomatics:

The quarterfinal round consists of 8 teams and 4 matches.

1) Total possibilities where the team order counts:
Arrangements (8, 4) = 8 * 7 * 6 * 5 = 1680 or
Combinations (8, 4) * Permutations (4) = 70 * 24 = 1680.

2) Total possibilities where the team order does not count (as if all 8 teams play on a neutral site):
Combinations (8, 4) * Arrangements (4, 2) = 70 * 12 = 840.

The 2020/21 UCL QF case was analyzed in this thread:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/c7FuYQYcG4A/m/sOn95-YlBgAJ
• UCL Quarter Final draw

All 840 possibilities were generated.

I pit now England against Spain and the one-team countries against each other. The order of the drawing does not count. So –

Bayern – Benfica
ManCity – Villareal
Chelsea – Atletico
Liverpool – Real

Ion Saliu

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Mar 18, 2022, 7:23:09 AM3/18/22
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How about this draw?

Chelsea - Real Madrid
Manchester City - Atletico Madrid
Villarreal - Bayern München
Benfica - Liverpool

It is the REAL one!

Ion Saliu

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Mar 18, 2022, 7:39:28 AM3/18/22
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Semifinals
--------------
• Semifinal #1: Manchester City / Atletico Madrid vs. Chelsea / Real Madrid
• Semifinal #2: Benfica / Liverpool vs. Villarreal / Bayern München.

Very difficult to pick Semifinal #1. For a degree of certainty of 55%:
• Real Madrid vs. Manchester City
The degree of certainty to pick Semifinal #2 is 90%:
• Liverpool vs. Bayern.

Quarterfinals dates
-----------------------
1st leg: 5/6 April
2nd leg: 12/13 April

Semifinals dates
-----------------------
1st leg: 26/27 April
2nd leg: 3/4 May

Final: 28 May (Stade de France, Saint Petersburg... er, Paris)

Al Kamista

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Mar 18, 2022, 10:45:44 AM3/18/22
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I didn't say it did. You were complaining the game was unadventurous. But as MH said, it's debatable if it would be any different had the AGR been in effect. Alegri isn't exactly known for his free flowing attacking football. Was he defending a first leg "lead," Juventus would probably have been even cagier. And Villareal would have probably bode their time well into the second half before exposing themselves in search of a goal. It's a stretch to argue that the AGR would have made this game more exciting. There is no way to tell.

Ion Saliu

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Apr 6, 2022, 5:20:38 AM4/6/22
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> >
> > Chelsea - Real Madrid
> > Manchester City - Atletico Madrid
> > Villarreal - Bayern München
> > Benfica - Liverpool
> >
> > It is the REAL one!
> Semifinals
> --------------
> • Semifinal #1: Manchester City / Atletico Madrid vs. Chelsea / Real Madrid
> • Semifinal #2: Benfica / Liverpool vs. Villarreal / Bayern München.
>
> Very difficult to pick Semifinal #1. For a degree of certainty of 55%:
> • Real Madrid vs. Manchester City
> The degree of certainty to pick Semifinal #2 is 90%:
> • Liverpool vs. Bayern.
>
> Quarterfinals dates
> -----------------------
> 1st leg: 5/6 April
> 2nd leg: 12/13 April
>
> Semifinals dates
> -----------------------
> 1st leg: 26/27 April
> 2nd leg: 3/4 May
>
> Final: 28 May (Stade de France, Saint Petersburg... er, Paris)

Quarterfinals
----------------------
1st leg
-----------
5 April
• Manchester City – Atletico Madrid: 1 – 0
• Benfica – Liverpool: 1 – 3
Subpar games, total boredom.

6 April
• Chelsea – Real Madrid
• Villarreal – Bayern München


2nd leg
------------
12 April
• Bayern München – Villarreal
• Real Madrid – Chelsea

13 April
• Atletico Madrid – Manchester City
• Liverpool – Benfica

The Doctor

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Apr 6, 2022, 9:58:24 AM4/6/22
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In article <43a679a2-21ca-4cf6...@googlegroups.com>,
No boring stuff.
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Ion Saliu

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• Chelsea – Real Madrid: 1 – 3
• Villarreal – Bayern München: 1 – 0

The second act of sfartaie fared much better. The first match was quite exciting; the second match had a surprising result. Will the 2nd leg in Munich be another “7 – 1” type of blitzkrieg?

Ion Saliu

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Apr 7, 2022, 6:47:02 AM4/7/22
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>
> 6 April
> • Chelsea – Real Madrid: 1 – 3
> • Villarreal – Bayern München: 1 – 0
>
> The second act of sfartaie fared much better. The first match was quite exciting; the second match had a surprising result. Will the 2nd leg in Munich be another “7 – 1” type of blitzkrieg?
> >

I got me a suspicion. Bayern “plays” with the results; e.g., at Salzburg, at Villareal. Methinks Bayern wants to establish better betting odds. Maybe the players don’t bet openly, but their trusted friends DO!

Bayern’s odds dropped now to 5/1, way behind ManCity and Liver. Pound for pound, however, Bayern is above the two English sides. Bayern also loves to play against English teams. Recent proofs: 7 – 2 against Tottenham on the road, 6 – 0 against Chelsea (2 legs).


Ion Saliu

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Apr 13, 2022, 2:31:45 AM4/13/22
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12 April
• Real Madrid – Chelsea: 2 – 3 (aggregate 5 – 4; Real advances to semifinals)
• Bayern München – Villarreal: 1 – 1 (aggregate 1 – 2; Villarreal advances to semifinals).

Anthological night in UCL! Villareal succeeded in what appeared to be the impossible against the blitzkrieg! Real Madrid – Chelsea was a dramatic game, with another seemingly impossible turnaround.

Chelsea had a 3– 0 lead after that seemingly impossible to overcome 1 – 3 at home. Chelsea even had a 4 – 0 opportunity, but “Kokostirque” Courtois saved the day for the Galactics. Only after that, Real Madrid started to play... football.

Too bad, matches like the two are sooo rare in football!

The Doctor

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In article <7de835f8-48ae-4d8e...@googlegroups.com>,
So we Know RM and villar goes to the Semis. Who do they face?
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Ion Saliu

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Apr 14, 2022, 5:12:11 AM4/14/22
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13 April
• Liverpool – Benfica: 3 – 3 (aggregate 6 – 4; Liverpool advances to semifinals)
• Atletico Mardid – Manchester City: 0 – 0 (aggregate 0 – 1; Manchester City advances to semifinals).


Semifinals
-------------
26 April
• Manchester City – Real Madrid

27 April
• Liverpool – Villarreal

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Ion Saliu

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Semifinals – 1st leg
-------------------------------
26 April
• Manchester City – Real Madrid: 4 – 3
• A match for the history books!

>
> 27 April
> • Liverpool – Villarreal


> Semifinals – 2nd leg
---------------------------------
> 3 May
> • Villarreal – Liverpool
>
> 4 May
> • Real Madrid – Manchester City

Ion Saliu

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On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:57:14 PM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
> Semifinals – 1st leg
> -------------------------------
> 26 April
> • Manchester City – Real Madrid: 4 – 3
> • A match for the history books!
>

27 April
• Liverpool – Villarreal: 2 – 0

Ion Saliu

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> Semifinals – 1st leg
> ---------------------------------
> 26 April
> • Manchester City – Real Madrid: 4 – 3
> • A match for the history books!
>
> 27 April
> • Liverpool – Villarreal: 2 – 0


Semifinals – 2nd leg
-------------------------------------
3 May
• Villarreal – Liverpool: 2 – 3 (aggregate: 2 – 5; Liverpool advances to the final)

Ion Saliu

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• Real Madrid – Manchester City: 3 – 1, in overtime (aggregate: 6 – 5; Real Madrid advances to the final)
• The most memorably-axiomatic event in the club-team competitions
• In the 90th minute, Man City was 1 – 0 ahead and almost qualified in the final; Real scored in the 90th and 91st minutes to send the match to overtime
• Benzema, again, transformed the penalty and did the incredible... again!


Final
---------
28 May, Stade de France, Paris
• Liverpool – Real Madrid


Ion Saliu

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• Liverpool – Real Madrid: 0 – 1

• this Final will forever be remembered as an organizational embarrassment: the kickoff was delayed by 36 minutes (the Liverpool FC fans again??)
• a new record was set by Real Madrid for most champion titles: 14
• a new record was set by coach Ancelotti for most Champions League titles won: 4

• 2022 was the Year of Kokostirque — no other player in history saved his team from elimination in such decisive manners
• Skatolchah comes in second as the ‘Most Decisive Player’ of Year of Grace 2022
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/lkhtmvLfIKQ

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