Ngog vs Owen
Jussi Uosukainen
Liverpool game:
Season 2009-2010
Games As Sub Goals
Ngog 10 (5) 4
Owen 17 (10) 4
And Ngog scored today, which means that he has more goals in about 60%
of the games. Maybe I have been overtly harsh in his case. Liverpool's
problems are really at the back, no question.
--
/jussi
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Thach Nguyen
> Something I just picke up from the Guardian mbm of the Debrenivce -
> Liverpool game:
>
> Season 2009-2010
> Games As Sub Goals
> Ngog 10 (5) 4
> Owen 17 (10) 4
>
> And Ngog scored today, which means that he has more goals in about 60%
> of the games. Maybe I have been overtly harsh in his case. Liverpool's
> problems are really at the back, no question.
The back had been wobbly coming back to last season. This year, with
the the midfield also gone unhinged, the back went kaput'ed. The
current confidence crisis can be reversed with a string of
cleansheets, I just don't know if the primary players in the team have
the hearts for it.
The Carragher - Arbeloa/Alonso spat now seems all the more
significant. It now looks that Alonso's calming influence had been
more a glue to the solidarity of the defense than Carragher's
incessant screaming.
Jussi Uosukainen
> On Nov 24, 3:13ï¿œpm, Jussi Uosukainen <j...@iki.fi> wrote:
>> Something I just picke up from the Guardian mbm of the Debrenivce -
>> Liverpool game:
>>
>> Season 2009-2010
>> Ngog ￜ ￜ10 ￜ ￜ ￜ(5) ￜ ￜ 4
>> Owen ￜ ￜ17 ￜ ￜ ￜ(10) ￜ ￜ4
>>
>> And Ngog scored today, which means that he has more goals in about 60%
>> of the games. Maybe I have been overtly harsh in his case. Liverpool's
>> problems are really at the back, no question.
>
> The back had been wobbly coming back to last season. This year, with
> the the midfield also gone unhinged, the back went kaput'ed. The
> current confidence crisis can be reversed with a string of
> cleansheets, I just don't know if the primary players in the team have
> the hearts for it.
>
> The Carragher - Arbeloa/Alonso spat now seems all the more
> significant. It now looks that Alonso's calming influence had been
> more a glue to the solidarity of the defense than Carragher's
> incessant screaming.
Benitez was dealt a bad hand. Alonso was lost already last year, we can
just be grateful for him playing as well as he did last season. Alonso
was impossible to replace with a similar player, so he had to come up
with something. He couldnt afford Aquilani (whom he really wanted) and
a reliable holding midfielder who could play in august, so he put his
eggs into the basket called Lucas.
Lucas, while not being a bad player (better than your average Bowyer,
Parker etc.), cannot dictate the tempo like Alonso did. Add to this
Carraghers slump in form (is it a slump in form or did he just grow too
old for his style of play?), persistent injuries to Agger and Skrtel and
we have the recipe for the disaster we are experiencing now.
--
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Benny
> From : ju...@iki.fi
> Something I just picke up from the Guardian mbm of the Debrenivce -
> Liverpool game:
>
> Season 2009-2010
> Games As Sub Goals
> Ngog 10 (5) 4
> Owen 17 (10) 4
>
>
> And Ngog scored today, which means that he has more goals in about 60%
> of the games. Maybe I have been overtly harsh in his case. Liverpool's
> problems are really at the back, no question.
N'Gog is 20 years old and cost 3 pence so he's already exceeded
expectations. As for Owen he remains a delusional, arrogant bastard :
Michael Owen is enjoying life at Manchester United and has claimed that
he was always confident of success at his new club after leaving
Newcastle United in the summer.
Owen points to his previous record as the reason for his confidence and
feels that his career statistics show his quality, however they are
interpreted.
"In my own mind I never doubted I�d score goals if I stayed fit and was
given time on the pitch," he told United's official website.
"How can you fail to score goals in a team like this? You�re playing
with such good players that it�s impossible not to get chances.
"In Madrid it was a similar story � I didn�t start every game but I
ended up with the best goals-to-minutes ratio in the league.
"You can twist stats whichever way you want. A goal every one-and-a-half
games sounds good, whereas four goals in 16 games isn�t quite so
impressive. But they�re both accurate.
"At the end of the day, all I�m concerned about is playing and scoring
as many times as I can.
"I�ve played in a team that was struggling and I much prefer life at a
winning club, even if that means I don�t play every minute of every game.
"I�m here at a club that�s full of quality, training with top players
every day and working under a top manager. I�ve had my fair share of
starts and minutes on the pitch this season so I�m not about to complain."
Owen earned a place in the hearts of many Red Devils with his dramatic
injury time winner against Manchester City earlier in the season. It was
a strike he will certainly remember.
"That moment was really special," he explained. "When I retire and I�m
thinking about the top five or six thrills I got out of football I�ll
definitely think about my goal in the World Cup against Argentina and
scoring two in an FA Cup final.
"But scoring that goal against City is right up there with those moments."
And the striker also reveals that Sir Alex Ferguson's side did not allow
their recent defeat at Chelsea to dispirit them, and he predicts that
United will surge up the Premier League table after Christmas.
When we lost at Liverpool it was a different story � we didn�t perform
well at Anfield � but at Chelsea there�s no way on Earth we deserved to
lose that game," he asserted.
"We walked away from Stamford Bridge with our heads held high and
feeling pretty happy with the way we played. There were plenty of
positives to take out of that performance.
"As an outsider for many years, the image I have of Manchester United is
of a team that only really hits top gear around Christmas. I remember a
lot of unbeaten runs in the latter part of seasons and, looking ahead at
our fixtures, we�re aiming to embark on one of those now.
"We�ve got a good opportunity � we don�t play any of the �big� sides
again until the end of January � so there�s definitely no need to panic
over a five-point gap."
Zack Wilson, Goal.com UK
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chris m
<Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> > Subject : Ngog vs Owen
> > From : ju...@iki.fi
>
> > Something I just picke up from the Guardian mbm of the Debrenivce -
> > Liverpool game:
> >
> > Season 2009-2010
> > Games As Sub Goals
> > Ngog 10 (5) 4
> > Owen 17 (10) 4
> >
> >
> > And Ngog scored today, which means that he has more goals in about 60%
> > of the games. Maybe I have been overtly harsh in his case. Liverpool's
> > problems are really at the back, no question.
>
> N'Gog is 20 years old and cost 3 pence so he's already exceeded
> expectations. As for Owen he remains a delusional, arrogant bastard :
>
And that is just about what he's worth. The CL goal yesterday hit his
foot and went in pure luck.
Liverpool would be lucky as hell to have Owen now, as they head down
the table.
chris m
Google Beta User
> > > And Ngog scored today, which means that he has more goals in about 60%
> > > of the games. Maybe I have been overtly harsh in his case. Liverpool's
> > > problems are really at the back, no question.
>
> > N'Gog is 20 years old and cost 3 pence so he's already exceeded
> > expectations. As for Owen he remains a delusional, arrogant bastard :
>
> And that is just about what he's worth.
?
Ngog is good and will be a French International within 2 years.
The CL goal yesterday hit his
> foot and went in pure luck.
>
> Liverpool would be lucky as hell to have Owen now, as they head down
> the table.
Our problem is not strikers.
It's no creative link between midfield and attack (i.e. no replacement
for Alonso of last season), and Carragher's drop in form.
chris m
<8c3b6212-0fc7-4d9c...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Sorry. I absolutely agree that the lack of a creative link between
midfield and attack is a huge problem. I had thought that Agualini
might help remedy that but post-injury he is still not playing. A
player like Modric or Rosicky would solve the problem.
But the lack of a second striker remains the foremost among many
problems. The other problem is the back line which seems much more
porous this year. Carragher is having an off year. Skrtel has
apparrently been benched.
In short Liverpool has problems everywhere, with injuries, strikers,
midfield and defense. I can't really tell about Reina because
everything is collapsing in front of him.
And I completely disagree about Ngog. Who were those two kids a couple
of years ago that were the future of french strikers that have
disappeated off the face of the earth. I have forgotten already.
That's where Ngog will be in 2 years.
chris m
Jussi Uosukainen
> And I completely disagree about Ngog. Who were those two kids a couple
> of years ago that were the future of french strikers that have
> disappeated off the face of the earth. I have forgotten already.
> That's where Ngog will be in 2 years.
>
> chris m
I agree with most of what you say, but comparing Ngog to Le Tallec and
Sinama-Pongolle is just wrong.
Ngog has scored 8 goals in 30 games in a bit more than a season. Sinama
managed just 9 goals in 64 games. Ngog might not become a world beater,
but he already seems like a solid striker, not worse than your average
EPL strikers.
--
/jussi
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Google Beta User
> I agree with most of what you say, but comparing Ngog to Le Tallec and
> Sinama-Pongolle is just wrong.
>
> Ngog has scored 8 goals in 30 games in a bit more than a season. Sinama
> managed just 9 goals in 64 games. Ngog might not become a world beater,
doesn't need to be. That's what I've been hammering that point to LFC
fans for a year.
No world beater will sit on the bench. We need a solid striker, which
Ngog as you described, is becoming.
REDD...@nospam.net
lol....
he wouldn't get a place in United's third team lineup, still if you
are happy?
Google Beta User
> >No world beater will sit on the bench. We need a solid striker, which
> >Ngog as you described, is becoming.
>
> lol....
>
> he wouldn't get a place in United's third team lineup, still if you
> are happy?
Obviously you'd say that, wouldn't you?
Pointless to try and defend anything LFC related outside of Torres to
you.
Aamna
It's been a while since you trolled so brazenly in here. Old habits
die hard, I guess.
Manx Gunner
33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, wany...@gmail.com says...
Indeed; he's one of those MUFC knuckleheads who can't tolerate praise of
anyone who isn't on MUFC without interjecting with some irrelevant crap,
who takes it as an insult if someone is praised without a mention of MU.
It's really rather ridiculous.
REDD...@nospam.net
Just my opinion, there's a reason your team is failing this season you
know?...you probably don't
REDD...@nospam.net
Would Ngog start at Arsenal?
Manx Gunner
Perhaps not, but I wouldn't say anything so stupid as that he wouldn't
make the third team.
Mark V.
> >It's really rather ridiculous.
>
> Would Ngog start at Arsenal?
Yes, because eventually the three ahead of him would find themselves
injured at the same time.
REDD...@nospam.net
So he'd be 4th string at Arsenal?
REDD...@nospam.net
wrote:
That's because he wouldn't but at United we have 5 strikers better
than him
Google Beta User
> >> Would Ngog start at Arsenal?
>
> >Yes, because eventually the three ahead of him would find themselves
> >injured at the same time.
>
> So he'd be 4th string at Arsenal?
Arsenal play two strikers.
In any case the question wasn't whether Ngog would start. It was
wether he's decent BACKUP. He is at this stage.
But as Manx said, the thought of anything remotely positive being said
about LFC brought you into the thread in a flash to pour water on the
discussion.
Manx Gunner
> That's because he wouldn't but at United we have 5 strikers better
> than him
List them.
Mark V.
>
> >On Nov 27, 7:10 pm, REDDEV...@nospam.net wrote:
> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:35:51 -0000, Manx Gunner
> >x
> >> >It's really rather ridiculous.
>
> >> Would Ngog start at Arsenal?
>
> >Yes, because eventually the three ahead of him would find themselves
> >injured at the same time.
>
> So he'd be 4th string at Arsenal?
That's not that point.....
REDD...@nospam.net
Sure it is
REDD...@nospam.net
wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:47:23 -0500, wrote...
Berbatov, Rooney, Owen, Macheda, Giggs, Wellbeck
Sorry I lied we have six better than Ngog
REDD...@nospam.net
<wany...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 28, 3:46�pm, REDDEV...@nospam.net wrote:
>
>> >> Would Ngog start at Arsenal?
>>
>> >Yes, because eventually the three ahead of him would find themselves
>> >injured at the same time.
>>
>> So he'd be 4th string at Arsenal?
>
>Arsenal play two strikers.
>
>In any case the question wasn't whether Ngog would start. It was
>wether he's decent BACKUP. He is at this stage.
>
For the 7th place team...maybe
>But as Manx said, the thought of anything remotely positive being said
>about LFC brought you into the thread in a flash to pour water on the
>discussion.
You hate it when I tell the facts don't you?
Manx Gunner
Owen: maybe
Macheda: no
Wellbeck: no
Manx Gunner
BTW, no strikers for Mercenaries United in the top ten?
http://www.premierleague.com/page/Top10Strikers/0,,12306,00.html
Mark V.
Neither of us really know where Ngog would play at Arsenal or ManU. If
he had been signed by ManU, your nose would be as deep in his jock as
it is in Wes Brown's, and even I admit I'd be likely to either
overrate him (if I didn't want him out of town on the next train) if
he played for Arsenal. My points were that A) that he'd not come close
to starting for Arsenal if they had their top strikers healthy, B)
that he'd nonetheless be good enough to give Arsenal some quality
minutes (as he would ManU), and C) I'm currently bummed about
Arsenal's injuries at that position!
REDD...@nospam.net
wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:40:35 -0500, Manx Gunner wrote...
>
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:38:38 -0500, wrote...
>>
>> > On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:38:13 -0500, Manx Gunner <goal@4thegunners!com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:47:23 -0500, wrote...
>> > >
>> > >> That's because he wouldn't but at United we have 5 strikers better
>> > >> than him
>> > >
>> > >List them.
>> >
>> > Berbatov, Rooney, Owen, Macheda, Giggs, Wellbeck
>> >
>> > Sorry I lied we have six better than Ngog
>>
>> Owen: maybe
>> Macheda: no
>> Wellbeck: no
>
>BTW, no strikers for Mercenaries United in the top ten?
>
>http://www.premierleague.com/page/Top10Strikers/0,,12306,00.html
Thank you, that list made me laugh a lot!
REDD...@nospam.net
wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:38:38 -0500, wrote...
>
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:38:13 -0500, Manx Gunner <goal@4thegunners!com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:47:23 -0500, wrote...
>> >
>> >> That's because he wouldn't but at United we have 5 strikers better
>> >> than him
>> >
>> >List them.
>>
>> Berbatov, Rooney, Owen, Macheda, Giggs, Wellbeck
>>
>> Sorry I lied we have six better than Ngog
>
>Owen: maybe
>Macheda: no
>Wellbeck: no
Your opinion of course (which isn't worth much).
Manx Gunner
> >Owen: maybe
> >Macheda: no
> >Wellbeck: no
>
>
> Your opinion of course (which isn't worth much).
Every bit as much as yours, likely more given that you're across an
ocean from the Premiership and see less than half of the matches that I
get to see from here in the UK.
REDD...@nospam.net
wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:47:49 -0500, wrote...
LOL....We get better coverage of the Premier League here than you do
there (more matches). And the opinion of a known troll is worth
nothing
Manx Gunner
> >Every bit as much as yours, likely more given that you're across an
> >ocean from the Premiership and see less than half of the matches that I
> >get to see from here in the UK.
>
> LOL....We get better coverage of the Premier League here than you do
> there (more matches).
I was just in America for over two weeks; you're a liar.
> And the opinion of a known troll is worth
> nothing
Indeed, but that doesn't stop you from trying.
REDD...@nospam.net
wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:20:03 -0500, wrote...
>
>> >Every bit as much as yours, likely more given that you're across an
>> >ocean from the Premiership and see less than half of the matches that I
>> >get to see from here in the UK.
>>
>> LOL....We get better coverage of the Premier League here than you do
>> there (more matches).
>
>I was just in America for over two weeks; you're a liar.
>
And you are a big mouth (while hiding behind the computer) and an
idiot. It's a well known fact that we get better coverage of the
Premier League (as well as the Italian, Spanish, and Russian Leagues)
than you do in the UK. With Fox Soccer Channel, Setanta, Gol, and now
ESPN there's hardly a match that isn't broadcast
>> And the opinion of a known troll is worth
>> nothing
>
>Indeed, but that doesn't stop you from trying.
Where did you stay in "America" the boondocks?
Manx Gunner
> With Fox Soccer Channel, Setanta, Gol, and now
> ESPN there's hardly a match that isn't broadcast
How many of this weekend's EPL games were available on your TV?
REDD...@nospam.net
wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:31:03 -0500, wrote...
Without checking through all the TV schedules, Just about all of them.
If you visited the US and stayed in a hotel there's a strong
possibility you had TV that didn't have the full array of channels
that are available to the viewing public. I haven't missed a United
match in years
Manx Gunner
> >How many of this weekend's EPL games were available on your TV?
>
> Without checking through all the TV schedules, Just about all of them.
I very seriously doubt that.
> If you visited the US and stayed in a hotel there's a strong
> possibility you had TV that didn't have the full array of channels
> that are available to the viewing public. I haven't missed a United
> match in years
I stayed with a friend who has pretty much every channel known to man.
MH
> In article
> <8c3b6212-0fc7-4d9c...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,>> On Nov 25, 6:23 am, chris m <rilke2...@yahoo.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> > And Ngog scored today, which means that he has more goals in about 60%
>>>> > of the games. Maybe I have been overtly harsh in his case. Liverpool's
>>>> > problems are really at the back, no question.
>>>> N'Gog is 20 years old and cost 3 pence so he's already exceeded
>>>> expectations. As for Owen he remains a delusional, arrogant bastard :
>>> And that is just about what he's worth.
>> ?
>>
>> Ngog is good and will be a French International within 2 years.
>>
>> The CL goal yesterday hit his
>>> foot and went in pure luck.
>>>
>>> Liverpool would be lucky as hell to have Owen now, as they head down
>>> the table.
>> Our problem is not strikers.
>>
>> It's no creative link between midfield and attack (i.e. no replacement
>> for Alonso of last season), and Carragher's drop in form.
>>
> Sorry. I absolutely agree that the lack of a creative link between
> midfield and attack is a huge problem. I had thought that Agualini
> might help remedy that but post-injury he is still not playing. A
> player like Modric or Rosicky would solve the problem.
>
> But the lack of a second striker remains the foremost among many
> problems. The other problem is the back line which seems much more
> porous this year. Carragher is having an off year. Skrtel has
> apparrently been benched.
>
> In short Liverpool has problems everywhere, with injuries, strikers,
> midfield and defense. I can't really tell about Reina because
> everything is collapsing in front of him.
>
> And I completely disagree about Ngog. Who were those two kids a couple
> of years ago that were the future of french strikers that have
> disappeated off the face of the earth. I have forgotten already.
> That's where Ngog will be in 2 years.
Sinama-Pongolle has scored quite a lot of goals in La Liga.
22 in two seasons for Recreativo , and some important ones for Atletico
Madrid. Hardly a crashing failure and has been capped for France.
Le Tallec has looked good for Le Mans every time I have seen him.
And those two are still only 25.
as for Ngog, who knows, but with players like Remy, Gomis, Gouffran, and
Benzema competing for the French forward spots in years to come, I would
have to think his opportunities will be quite limited.
>
> chris m
REDD...@nospam.net
wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:58:12 -0500, wrote...
That he could get with rabbit ears?
chris m
> Sinama-Pongolle has scored quite a lot of goals in La Liga.
> 22 in two seasons for Recreativo , and some important ones for Atletico
> Madrid. Hardly a crashing failure and has been capped for France.
>
> Le Tallec has looked good for Le Mans every time I have seen him.
>
> And those two are still only 25.
>
> as for Ngog, who knows, but with players like Remy, Gomis, Gouffran, and
> Benzema competing for the French forward spots in years to come, I would
> have to think his opportunities will be quite limited.
> >
> > chris m
Ah thanks, those are the 2 kids I was thinking of. Would either be
better than Ngog now though"
As for the TV debate. Where I am in CT, if you have all the cable
channels, there were 7 EPL games on this weekend. ESPN 2 does one or
two. Fox Soccer Channel does 5-7. Usually 4 on Saturday, and two on
Sunday. 3 are live the rest on tape delay.
So for what its worth if so inclined, especially with Tivo, we can
watch a lot of the EPL.
Chris M
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fantasy league, and who was once #1 overall, currently 1338, who has
done so by watching the EPL in the States, for what its worth)