Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers (a game!) - Sign up for season 1
milivella
Better sign up now, since the ones who'll enter the game in next
seasons will start from the bottom level!
Deadline for sign up: Sunday (= August 22), 23:59 GMT. The game will
start if at least 4 people will sign up.
---
Rules
There are x tiers of 4 RSSers each (the last one could have less
teams). Each season has 6 matchdays. At the end of each season, in
each tier the top RSSer is promoted, the bottom RSSer is relegated.
Quite easy so far, right? I only have to add how matches work, and
I'll do it using an example (lines starting with *).
Each matchday, I post the fixtures...
* Daniele - Jesus
* Luiz - MH
...and the matches to predict:
* Chelsea - Manchester Utd.
* Barcelona - Real Madrid
In each unsophisticated match, the home player picks one team from
each match, in order of preference:
* Daniele picks (1) Real Madrid and (2) Chelsea
As soon as he picks, the away players can pick one of the unpicked
teams:
* Jesus picks Manchester Utd.
* So Daniele will be represented by Chelsea
A win is 3 points, a draw is 1 point:
* Chelsea 2-2 Manchester Utd.
* Both Daniele and Jesus gain 1 point
If the home player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the away
player can pick any team:
* Daniele doesn't pick any team
* Jesus picks Real Madrid
* So Daniele will be represented by Barcelona
If the away player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the home
player will be represented by his preferred team:
* Jesus doesn't pick any team
* So Daniele will be represented by Real Madrid
* So Jesus will be represented by Barcelona
If nobody picks a team, it's an automatic draw.
--
Cheers
milivella
Sid
> Just reply to this post and you'll be randomly assigned to a tier.
> Better sign up now, since the ones who'll enter the game in next
> seasons will start from the bottom level!
>
> Deadline for sign up: Sunday (= August 22), 23:59 GMT. The game will
> start if at least 4 people will sign up.
Interesting. A little less unsophisticated than straight tipping.
I'll play.
Sid
--
1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890
remove the espam bits to mail
milivella
> Interesting. A little less unsophisticated than straight tipping.
Yep. I hope that we gain some fun in return (because of _direct_
challenges).
> I'll play.
Thanks. :)
--
Cheers
milivella
Jesus Petry
I'm in!
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
El Kot
> Just reply to this post and you'll be randomly assigned to a tier.
> Better sign up now, since the ones who'll enter the game in next
> seasons will start from the bottom level!
>
> Deadline for sign up: Sunday (= August 22), 23:59 GMT. The game will
> start if at least 4 people will sign up.
I'm pretty sure I understand the rules, :) but I have the following
question - where do the top and bottom get promoted and relegated to?
Are the first 4 the top tier? If so, where does the winner go - wraps
around into the bottom tier? :)
--
No, no, you can't e-mail me with the nono.
milivella
> milivella wrote:
> > Just reply to this post and you'll be randomly assigned to a tier.
> > Better sign up now, since the ones who'll enter the game in next
> > seasons will start from the bottom level!
>
> > Deadline for sign up: Sunday (= August 22), 23:59 GMT. The game will
> > start if at least 4 people will sign up.
>
> I'm pretty sure I understand the rules, :)
Yeah, their easiness beats my English's incomprehensibility!
> but I have the following
> question - where do the top and bottom get promoted and relegated to?
To the upper tier and to the lower one, respectively. :)
> Are the first 4 the top tier?
Yes!
> If so, where does the winner go - wraps
> around into the bottom tier? :)
This would be great! No, I am boring, and the winner of the top tier
just is the RSS unsophisticated champion for that "season". (Also, the
bottom player of the bottom tier is neither "relegated" to the top
tier nor expelled from the game: he just suffers a bit of shame.)
Are you in? :)
--
Cheers
milivella
El Kot
It would be great, because it would add the following twist - the
players in the top tier would have to trade off between becoming
champions and being relegated, or staying second or third. And the fight
in the bottom tier would be to actually lose all games and wraparound
into the top. :)
> Are you in? :)
If you make the rounds not more often than once a week, yes.
Otherwise - no, I won't have time.
Lléo
--
Lléo
Binder Dundat
I am in.
milivella
> milivella wrote:
> > El Kot:
>
> > This would be great! No, I am boring, and the winner of the top tier
> > just is the RSS unsophisticated champion for that "season". (Also, the
> > bottom player of the bottom tier is neither "relegated" to the top
> > tier nor expelled from the game: he just suffers a bit of shame.)
>
> It would be great, because it would add the following twist - the
> players in the top tier would have to trade off between becoming
> champions and being relegated, or staying second or third. And the fight
> in the bottom tier would be to actually lose all games and wraparound
> into the top. :)
Pure situationism!
> > Are you in? :)
>
> If you make the rounds not more often than once a week, yes.
> Otherwise - no, I won't have time.
Yes, it will be once a week (but I could skip some week). The ideal
schedule is:
- Monday 23:00: I post the matches
- Wednesday 22:00: deadline for home players
- Friday 21:00: deadline for away players
This way each participant will have two days (OK, 47 hours) to play.
Unfortunately I won't be able to stick with it, but everyone will
always have at least 24 hours to play.
So I count you in!
--
Cheers
milivella
Diabolik
Futbolmetrix
Sounds like I'm already in Serie C, which is appropriate given my
tipping abilities. OK, I'm in.
D
Abubakr
milivella
> Sounds like I'm already in Serie C, which is appropriate given my
> tipping abilities.
Indeed I've thought that, instead of a random allocation, we'll have a
single round of predictions about a lot of matches (a tribute to "la
schedina", if you want), with the top 4 scorers going in division 1,
the next 4 in division 2, etc.
BTW, I'm probably just stupid, but I haven't found a schedule for 4
teams (6 matchdays) that doesn't have the same team playing 3 matches
in a row home (or away)!? Can someone help me?
> OK, I'm in.
Thanks!
--
Cheers
milivella
Jesus Petry
AxB
DxC
CxA
BxD
CxB
DxA
BxC
AxD
AxC
DxB
BxA
CxD
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
El Kot
>
> BTW, I'm probably just stupid, but I haven't found a schedule for 4
> teams (6 matchdays) that doesn't have the same team playing 3 matches
> in a row home (or away)!? Can someone help me?
You're not stupid. :) It's /impossible/ to make a schedule with an
even number of teams that will alternate home-away for all teams. In
order to be able to do that, you need such a number of teams, that the
graph representation of the games forms an Eulerian circuit. Fully
connected graphs with an even number of vertices (teams) don't have one.
The closest you can get is have one team with two consecutive home
games and another with two consecutive away. For example:
1-2
3-4
2-3
4-1
3-1
4-2
====
1-3
2-4
1-4
3-2
2-1
4-3
Jesus Petry
Curiously, our solutions are exactly equivalent! Just substitute A=1,
B=2, C=4, D=3!
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
El Kot
Why 'curiously', it is one of the obvious ways to do it, when you
start drawing the edges of the graph in pairs. In any event, I didn't
see you had posted a sequence - otherwise I would have posted only the
explanation, and saved the two minutes that took me to draw the graph
and type the solution. :)
milivella
> milivella wrote:
>
> > BTW, I'm probably just stupid, but I haven't found a schedule for 4
> > teams (6 matchdays) that doesn't have the same team playing 3 matches
> > in a row home (or away)!? Can someone help me?
>
> You're not stupid. :) It's /impossible/ to make a schedule with an
> even number of teams that will alternate home-away for all teams. In
> order to be able to do that, you need such a number of teams, that the
> graph representation of the games forms an Eulerian circuit. Fully
> connected graphs with an even number of vertices (teams) don't have one.
> The closest you can get is have one team with two consecutive home
> games and another with two consecutive away.
So I _am_ stupid, since I was stuck with _three_ consecutive home
games!
Many many thanks to both Jesus and you!
--
Cheers
milivella
milivella
> So I _am_ stupid, since I was stuck with _three_ consecutive home
> games!
Wait, I'm a little less stupid than I thought.Well, let's say stupid
in a different way: I see that the trick is not to have matchday 4 =
matchday 1 with home-away switched, that was an axiom of mine. You
instead have to make it "specular way" (MD1=6, MD2=5, MD3=4).
...And now UCL fixtures look way less silly!
(facepalm)
--
Cheers
milivella
Jesus Petry
I think UCL fixtures are MD1=5, MD2=6, MD3=4. But the idea is the
same.
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
milivella
I am aware I should just shut up... :) Thanks for the correction!
--
Cheers
milivella
Futbolmetrix
>
> ...And now UCL fixtures look way less silly!
You could have of course just copied from the UCL schedule:
MD1
MD2
MD3
MD4 = MD3 inverted
MD5 = MD1 inverted
MD6 = MD2 inverted
Mark
> Futbolmetrix:
>
> > Sounds like I'm already in Serie C, which is appropriate given my
> > tipping abilities.
>
> Indeed I've thought that, instead of a random allocation, we'll have a
> single round of predictions about a lot of matches (a tribute to "la
> schedina", if you want), with the top 4 scorers going in division 1,
> the next 4 in division 2, etc.
>
Talking of which, what happened to the hat-trick game?
Anyway, I'm in
milivella
> Talking of which, what happened to the hat-trick game?
You should ask Enzo. He put it on stand-by because he was looking for
a better formula (he demands much from himself: the game was already
perfect!). I remember that his plan was to end the game with the WC,
so maybe the project is over.
> Anyway, I'm in
Thanks! :)
--
Cheers
milivella
milivella
> Rules
>
> There are x tiers of 4 RSSers each (the last one could have less
> teams). Each season has 6 matchdays. At the end of each season, in
> each tier the top RSSer is promoted, the bottom RSSer is relegated.
Just a little addition:
If a player don't play for a whole season, he's out of the game. The
number of promotions in each tier for that season is modified so that
in the next season all the tiers (bar eventually the bottom two) have
4 players.
--
Cheers
milivella
milivella
> If a player don't play for a whole season, he's out of the game. The
> number of promotions in each tier
and relegations to the bottom tiers
> for that season is modified so that
> in the next season all the tiers (bar eventually the bottom two) have
> 4 players.
This addition is necessary since there must be at least 2 players in
the bottom tier, so e.g. in the following situation
Tier 2: players A B C D (table in this order)
Tier 3: players E (promoted) and F (ruled out of the game)
C and D will be relegated (not only C), so that the next season we'll
have
Tier 2: players A B E
Tier 3: players C D
--
Cheers
milivella