Where are they now?

[alka...@hotmail.com]

Touted as future greats at one point, almost completely forgotten now.

Sinama-Pongolle and Le Tallec - Signed for Liverpool in 2001 by Houllier and touted as the future of the French NT. FSP played for 10 clubs and is now at Lausanne-Sport. ALT played for 8 clubs and is now at Valenciennes. Also didn't know until now, they are cousins!

Macheda - Scored two late goals in United title charge in 2009 and suddenly some dizzy United fans were predicting the rise of the new Eric Cantona. 6 loan spells later is he plying his trade in England's second tier at Cardiff. Still only 23!

Saviola - A much higher profile player than the lot above, but considering his reputation as another potential Argentinian legend his career was a major let down. Playing for Verona in the Serie A now.

Freddy Adu - Called the next Pele at age 14 and the player to take the USNT to new heights, the poor kid bounced around 9 clubs before ending up in the Brazilian second tier, and now in the Serbian league. Sound slike such old news, but still only 25!

Finally, no flop list will ever be complete with the one time most expensive player in the world, Denilson. He ended up in the Vietnamese and Greek leagues before doing the world a favor and retiring in 2010.

Who else?

[Werner Pichler]

The '0 points' column in Fantasy Scout should provide plenty of names!

Two that came to my mind immediately were Francis Jeffers and Alexander Merkel.

Ciao,
Werner

[Jesper Lauridsen]

On 2015-02-12, alka...@hotmail.com <alka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Freddy Adu - Called the next Pele at age 14 and the player to take
> the USNT to new heights, the poor kid bounced around 9 clubs before
> ending up in the Brazilian second tier, and now in the Serbian
> league. Sound slike such old news, but still only 25!

He's actually without club. The Serbs couldn't use him.

[Werner Pichler]

Ouch. I saw a bit of Jagodina during the EL qualifiers. If he couldn't cut it
there...

Also, something that hasn't been discussed here for far too long: is he
reaaaaaally only 25?

Ciao,
Werner

[alka...@hotmail.com]

Ha! Yes we'll know soon enough, especially if he retires at a young age of "30."

[alka...@hotmail.com]

I don't think Jeffers was ever in the future great category. His biggest claim to fame was that Wenger signed him and then called him a "fox in the box." But for what it's worth, he's playing for Accrington Stanley in the English 4th tier.

[Werner Pichler]

Well he had his first (and as it would turn out only) cap for England at the
same time as Rooney, and it was him who scored the goal that night...

> was that Wenger signed him and then called him a "fox in the box." But for
> what it's worth, he's playing for Accrington Stanley in the English 4th tier.

Retired for a while now. Quite interesting read:

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/533877/Franny-Jeffers-Interview-The-regrets-Wayne-Rooney-and-the-future-for-the-fox-in-the-box

Ciao,
Werner

[Jesper Lauridsen]

On 2015-02-12, Werner Pichler <wpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Retired for a while now. Quite interesting read:
>
> http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/533877/Franny-Jeffers-Interview-The-regrets-Wayne-Rooney-and-the-future-for-the-fox-in-the-box

How did they get a picture of Miroslav Klose in an England shirt?

[alka...@hotmail.com]

Add Sergio Canales to the list. Now plying his trade at Sociedad after being rejected by both RM and Valencia.

[Binder Dundat]

I was not the seasoned, calm, rational, Fantasy Scout picking guy I am
today when i picked Merkel. In fact, I picked him without ever actually
having seen him play, my pick was based upon the drunken notion at the
time, that a 16 year old kid being signed by AC Milan had to be good.
Now, I only make wise picks, which I have spent hours studying and
preparing analysis for, like Emre Can.

Let that be a lesson to all you Fantasy Scout youngsters, dont Drink
and make FS picks!
But he is only 23 and can still get picked some day. It is possible,
well OK... it isn't. Playing in Switzerland at the moment for
Grasshopers, could possibly play for Kazakhstan someday, he was born
there (which I did not know until I just looked it up on wiki).

Other 0 pointers of mine
Juan Iturbe- was very good in a SOuth American youth cup, but suffers
from the same problem as Marko Marin, he is tiny. Not quite Where is
he now territory, but could be someday.
Emre Can-Picked not because i thought he was such a dazzling skilled
player, but because he had a very confident, poised style of play and
seemed a natural leader, captaining Germany in some youth cup I watched
him in. still time for him
Lassogga-running out of time, may fit in the where are they now category
soon.
Sead Kolasinic- is playing international football, but not for Germany,
so not a dud. Yet.
Jonathan Tah- I listened to Sven on that one, still young, but another
FS lesson learned

>
> Ciao,
> Werner
>
>

[Chagney Hunt]

I watched him in his pomps. I thought he was Fowler-esque with his
precision in finishing. He truly lost his way once he signed for Arsenal
but he was fantastic for Everton.

[Futbolmetrix]

On 2/12/2015 2:17 PM, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Touted as future greats at one point, almost completely forgotten now.
>
> Sinama-Pongolle and Le Tallec - Signed for Liverpool in 2001 by
> Houllier and touted as the future of the French NT. FSP played for 10
> clubs and is now at Lausanne-Sport. ALT played for 8 clubs
> and is now at Valenciennes. Also didn't know until now, they are cousins!
>

Mourad "the new Zidane" Meghni comes to mind.

> Macheda - Scored two late goals in United title charge in 2009 and
> suddenly some dizzy United fans were predicting the rise of the new
> Eric Cantona. 6 loan spells later is he plying his trade in England's second tier at Cardiff. Still only 23!

Admit it, you started this thread just so that you could take a swipe at
poor Macheda and the "dizzy" United fans.

> Saviola - A much higher profile player than the lot above, but considering his
> reputation as another potential Argentinian legend his career was a major let down.
> Playing for Verona in the Serie A now.

Doesn't really belong in this list. 39 caps and 11 goals with the
Argentinian NT, spells with both Barca and Madrid, then a pretty decent
run with Benfica. Yes, he didn't quite pan out as expected, but that's a
more than respectable career for El Conejo.

> Freddy Adu - Called the next Pele at age 14 and the player to take the USNT
> to new heights, the poor kid bounced around 9 clubs before ending up in the
> Brazilian second tier, and now in the Serbian league. Sound slike such
> old news, but still only 25!

The funny thing is that just about everybody realized that he was
phenomenally overhyped. Still, if I'm a Ghanaian mom with a relatively
athletic teenage kid that I can pass as 3-4 years younger than what he
really is, and secure big sponsorship contracts when he's "14", then why
not? In any case, with 19 Fantasy Scout potential points (17C, 2G), is
not even that terrible.

[Futbolmetrix]

On 2/12/2015 2:17 PM, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
>

> Who else?

Valeri Bojinov (now at Ternana in Serie B)

[Bruce D. Scott]

Futbolmetrix <futbol...@yahoo.com> wrote:

|> The funny thing is that just about everybody realized that he was
|> phenomenally overhyped. Still, if I'm a Ghanaian mom with a relatively
|> athletic teenage kid that I can pass as 3-4 years younger than what he
|> really is, and secure big sponsorship contracts when he's "14", then why
|> not? In any case, with 19 Fantasy Scout potential points (17C, 2G), is
|> not even that terrible.

I think being able to say he was young enough (13 or 14) when his mom
got her Green Card made a big difference... he got citizenship
automatically.

--
ciao,
Bruce

drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/

[MH]

There have been quite a few highly hyped players from Everton over the
years, like Vaughan (Better than Rooney !), Anichebe, Baxter, and even
to some extent Cadamarteri.

Vaughan is with Huddersfield and had an OK season last year. Still only
26. Injury riddled career, so I suppose there is a remote chance he
might eventually come good.

Anichebe - also 26 and now with West Brom. Had more games with Everton
than Vaughan. Oft injured in the past, now plays regularly enough.

Baxter - only 23, and doing quite well with Sheffield United now. May
make it back to the top division as a regular.

Cadamarteri has now retired.


> Werner
>

[Sven Mischkies]

<alka...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Touted as future greats at one point, almost completely forgotten now.
>
> Sinama-Pongolle and Le Tallec - Signed for Liverpool in 2001 by Houllier
> and touted as the future of the French NT. FSP played for 10 clubs and is
> now at Lausanne-Sport. ALT played for 8 clubs and is now at Valenciennes.
> Also didn't know until now, they are cousins!

Still FSP was very good business for Liverpool - bought for les than
0.5k and sold for almost 9m. 1 game for France while he was with
Atletico. Still, the only time he did well seems to have been the short
spell with Huelva.

ALT was a small loss, a regular in France, but without doing much.

> Macheda - Scored two late goals in United title charge in 2009 and
> suddenly some dizzy United fans were predicting the rise of the new Eric
> Cantona. 6 loan spells later is he plying his trade in England's second
> tier at Cardiff. Still only 23!

He doesn't seem to be doing well there either. 18 games, 3 goals, and
not due to a lack of minutes. Seems to have gotten out of favour
recently.

> Saviola - A much higher profile player than the lot above, but considering
> his reputation as another potential Argentinian legend his career was a
> major let down. Playing for Verona in the Serie A now.

Totally fantastic at that youth WC. Incredibly awesome in CM 2000/1 or
1/2 60+ goals in a Bundesliga season! But I guess too small and not
quick enough for the real world. Still a far better career than the two
Frenchies above.

> Freddy Adu - Called the next Pele at age 14 and the player to take the
> USNT to new heights, the poor kid bounced around 9 clubs before ending up
> in the Brazilian second tier, and now in the Serbian league. Sound slike

> such old news, but still only 35!


Fixed your post for you. ;)

Also according to transfermarkt he is currently unattached. Quick snap
up for Toronto to complete their recent signing spree? ;)

Wow, he has got a total of 9 goals outside of the US?

Sometimes I miss Vicky, this is one of those occassions - she was so
infatuated with Adu, it would be interesting to see her comment. ;)

> Finally, no flop list will ever be complete with the one time most
> expensive player in the world, Denilson. He ended up in the Vietnamese and
> Greek leagues before doing the world a favor and retiring in 2010.

Umm... Do I see that correctly? 107 games for Betis don't look so bad,
and 8 goals are too few - but only 2 assists?? For a winger?? I assume
they didn't count assists back then in La Liga?


Ciao,
SM
--
:P

[Sven Mischkies]

Werner Pichler <wpic...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The '0 points' column in Fantasy Scout should provide plenty of names!

:)

> Two that came to my mind immediately were Francis Jeffers and Alexander
>Merkel.
>

Ah, Frannie Jeffers... 1 game, 1 goal for England, a record hard to
break. Still a career an Adu could only dream of.

Re: Merkel: Wasn't their some British/Irish guy who got picked up by
Inter or Milan at a very young age? I remember UKSF having everybody
names in his honour about 15 years ago...

Merkel himself got Milan a profit for some reason but now doesn;t seem
to be able to hold a first team spot in the Swiss league.


Ciao,
SM
--
:P

[Sven Mischkies]

Chagney Hunt <neop...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >> Two that came to my mind immediately were Francis Jeffers and Alexander
> >Merkel.
> >
> > I don't think Jeffers was ever in the future great category. His biggest
> >claim to fame was that Wenger signed him and then called him a "fox in
> >the box." But for what it's worth, he's playing for Accrington Stanley in
> >the English 4th tier.
> >
>
> I watched him in his pomps. I thought he was Fowler-esque with his
> precision in finishing. He truly lost his way once he signed for Arsenal
> but he was fantastic for Everton.

One of those who went to a big club too early - more games could have
helped his career a lot. Plenty of those at Bayern as well.


Ciao,
SM
--
:P

[Sven Mischkies]

<alka...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> he's playing for Accrington Stanley in the English 4th tier.

Nope, he's done now. EOC.


Ciao,
SM
--
:P

[Sven Mischkies]

<alka...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Add Sergio Canales to the list. Now plying his trade at Sociedad after
>being rejected by both RM and Valencia.

A 23 year old with 122 La Liga games and 13 goals and 14 assists is
hardly a failure, though. Of the players that came up so far only
Saviola was better.


Ciao,
SM
--
:P

[Sven Mischkies]

Binder Dundat <dun...@nogmail.com> wrote:

> Other 0 pointers of mine
> Juan Iturbe- was very good in a SOuth American youth cup, but suffers
> from the same problem as Marko Marin, he is tiny. Not quite Where is
> he now territory, but could be someday.

Well, picking a forward in forward rich Argentina is always a bit risky.
Plus he can play for Paraguay?

> Emre Can-Picked not because i thought he was such a dazzling skilled
> player, but because he had a very confident, poised style of play and
> seemed a natural leader, captaining Germany in some youth cup I watched
> him in. still time for him

He was the next big thing 2 years ago and he will have a good to great
career. Dunno if it's enough for Germany, but him playing as a CB for
Liverpool might make him more interesting for Loew.

> Lassogga-running out of time, may fit in the where are they now category
> soon.

All these players that you are listing are young and have their careers
ahead of them. Lasogga needs to fix his fitness problems (lots of muscle
injuries), then maybe he can get a few caps (not as a regular, but as a
throw-the-kitchen-sink sub).

> Sead Kolasinic- is playing international football, but not for Germany,
> so not a dud. Yet.

You don't deserve any points if you can't even write their names
correctly. At only 21 he already made it into the history books:
"I"n" "t"h"e" "t"h"i"r"d" "m"i"n"u"t"e" "o"f" "t"h"e" "t"e"a"m"'"s"
"o"p"e"n"i"n"g" "g"r"o"u"p" "m"a"t"c"h"," "K"o"l"a"a i"n"a"c"
"s"c"o"r"e"d" "a"n" "u"n"f"o"r"t"u"n"a"t"e" "o"w"n" "g"o"a"l"," "t"h"e"
"f"a"s"t"e"s"t" "i"n" "W"o"r"l"d" "C"u"p" "h"i"s"t"o"r"y"," "a"s"
"A"r"g"e"n"t"i"n"a" "r"a"n" "o"u"t" "2" 1" "w"i"n"n"e"r"s" "a"t"
"t"h"e" "E"s"t"·"d"i"o" "d"o" "M"a"r"a"c"a"n""".""

> Jonathan Tah- I listened to Sven on that one, still young, but another
> FS lesson learned

Thank Slomka for that. Moron. Too good for the second league according
to his manager at D'dorf. Next summer he will be back at HSV.


Ciao,
SM
--
:P

[Sven Mischkies]

Damn! HSV wanted to sign him at some point (when he was 21 or so).


Ciao,
SM
--
:P

[Sven Mischkies]

Futbolmetrix <futbol...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 2/12/2015 2:17 PM, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Touted as future greats at one point, almost completely forgotten now.
> >
> > Sinama-Pongolle and Le Tallec - Signed for Liverpool in 2001 by
> > Houllier and touted as the future of the French NT. FSP played for 10
> > clubs and is now at Lausanne-Sport. ALT played for 8 clubs
> > and is now at Valenciennes. Also didn't know until now, they are cousins!
> >
>
> Mourad "the new Zidane" Meghni comes to mind.

Yeah, I was thinking about him as well. 30 years, unattached, but
basically ended his career ambitions in 2011 when he moved to Qatar.

85 games in Serie a, 5 goals (acceptable for a midfielder, I guess), 1
assist. 1 assist?? That's even worse than Denilson.

> > Macheda - Scored two late goals in United title charge in 2009 and
> > suddenly some dizzy United fans were predicting the rise of the new
> > Eric Cantona. 6 loan spells later is he plying his trade in England's
> second tier at Cardiff. Still only 23!
>
> Admit it, you started this thread just so that you could take a swipe at
> poor Macheda and the "dizzy" United fans.

8)

> > Freddy Adu - Called the next Pele at age 14 and the player to take the USNT
> > to new heights, the poor kid bounced around 9 clubs before ending up in the
> > Brazilian second tier, and now in the Serbian league. Sound slike such
> > old news, but still only 25!
>
> The funny thing is that just about everybody realized that he was
> phenomenally overhyped. Still, if I'm a Ghanaian mom with a relatively
> athletic teenage kid that I can pass as 3-4 years younger than what he
> really is, and secure big sponsorship contracts when he's "14", then why
> not? In any case, with 19 Fantasy Scout potential points (17C, 2G), is
> not even that terrible.

Well, I hope they invested that money well. I guess he can write his
memoirs soon if he needs more money.


Ciao,
SM
--
:P

[Sven Mischkies]

Sven Mischkies <hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net> wrote:

> Binder Dundat <dun...@nogmail.com> wrote:

> > Sead Kolasinic- is playing international football, but not for Germany,
> > so not a dud. Yet.
>
>
> You don't deserve any points if you can't even write their names
> correctly. At only 21 he already made it into the history books:
> "I"n" "t"h"e" "t"h"i"r"d" "m"i"n"u"t"e" "o"f" "t"h"e" "t"e"a"m"'"s"
> "o"p"e"n"i"n"g" "g"r"o"u"p" "m"a"t"c"h"," "K"o"l"a"a i"n"a"c"
> "s"c"o"r"e"d" "a"n" "u"n"f"o"r"t"u"n"a"t"e" "o"w"n" "g"o"a"l"," "t"h"e"
> "f"a"s"t"e"s"t" "i"n" "W"o"r"l"d" "C"u"p" "h"i"s"t"o"r"y"," "a"s"
> "A"r"g"e"n"t"i"n"a" "r"a"n" "o"u"t" "2" 1" "w"i"n"n"e"r"s" "a"t"
> "t"h"e" "E"s"t"·"d"i"o" "d"o" "M"a"r"a"c"a"n""".""

WTF.

Anyway - he holds the record for the fastest OG in WC history. Congrats.
;)


Ciao,
SM
--
:P

[Futbolmetrix]

On 2/12/2015 10:01 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> Re: Merkel: Wasn't their some British/Irish guy who got picked up by
> Inter or Milan at a very young age? I remember UKSF having everybody
> names in his honour about 15 years ago...

Robbie Keane?

[RED DEVIL]

Every team has it's failures however promising they may start out.

Can anyone tell me what happened to any of these flops?

Christian Poulsen
Alberto Aquilani
Mark Gonzalez
Nuri Sahin
Paul Konchesky
Charlie Adam
Andy Carroll
Bernard Diomede
Andriy Voronin
El-Hadji Diouf
Sean Dundee
Joe Cole
Milan Jovanovic
Torben Piechnik
Salif Diao
Bruno Cheyrou
Fernando Morientes
Cisse
Harry Kewell
Robbie Keane
Paul Stewart
Emily Heskey
Istvan Kosma
Glen Hysen
Pennant
Alou Diarra
Pellegrino
Rickie Lambert
Djimi Traore
Frode Kippe
Luis Alberto
Milan Baros
Reina
Iago Aspas
Emiliano Insua
Fabio Borini
Stewart Downing
Sebastian Coates
Oussama Assaidi
Alexander Doni
Rigoberto Song
Daniel Sjolund
Igor Biscan
Florent Sinama Pongolle
Josemi
Gabriel Palletta
Craig Bellamy
?



The RED DEVIL

[Chagney Hunt]

On 2/12/2015 10:01 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:

More games and perhaps some maturity and hunger. His type wasn't of
gifted athleticism (compared to top level footballers, I'm sure you have
to be much better than an average bloke athleticism-wise to forge a
career in football), but of confidence and application -- kinda like
Beckham.

Jeffers, like David Bentley, sank like rocks once they got their big
move and lost their drive. Perhaps they shoulda married Posh Spice.

[Chagney Hunt]

Not that young though. Keane made his name in the first team at Wolves
before getting picked up at Milan. I think Sven meant another youngster
getting picked up by, IIRC, Juventus at 15 or so.

[Chagney Hunt]

On 2/12/2015 10:49 PM, Chagney Hunt wrote:
>
> Not that young though. Keane made his name in the first team at Wolves
> before getting picked up at Milan. I think Sven meant another youngster
> getting picked up by, IIRC, Juventus at 15 or so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_O%27Brien

?

[Abubakr]

Denilson had some good seasons at Betis and became a WC winner after his big money move there.

For sure he didn't turn out to be the left-footed Garrincha but wasn't a total failure either.

[JG]

On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 2:17:40 PM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Touted as future greats at one point, almost completely forgotten now.
>
> Sinama-Pongolle and Le Tallec - Signed for Liverpool in 2001 by Houllier
> and touted as the future of the French NT. FSP played for 10 clubs and is > now at Lausanne-Sport. ALT played for 8 clubs and is now at Valenciennes. > Also didn't know until now, they are cousins!

Sinama-Pongolle had a brief spell with Chicago last season, I hadn't heard his name for years before they signed him.

I think that U17 team produced more future Algeria internationals than French internationals.

> Freddy Adu - Called the next Pele at age 14 and the player to take the USNT to new heights, the poor kid bounced around 9 clubs before ending up in the Brazilian second tier, and now in the Serbian league. Sound slike such old news, but still only 25!

"25". Skillful player but not athletic enough to play at the top level, which was covered up at younger ages by being an early bloomer and/or overage. It's weird though, he was an average to above-average MLS player at "16" and had actual good performances for the senior national team, the floor for his career seems like it should have been higher than it has been.

[Abubakr]

Another couple of 'new Zidanes' who haven't quite lived up to the hype: Gourcuff et Menez.

[Sven Mischkies]

Yep, that's the one.


Ciao,
SM
--
:P

[Werner Pichler]

On Friday, 13 February 2015 04:09:42 UTC+1, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> Futbolmetrix <futbol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2/12/2015 2:17 PM, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Touted as future greats at one point, almost completely forgotten now.
> > >
> > > Sinama-Pongolle and Le Tallec - Signed for Liverpool in 2001 by
> > > Houllier and touted as the future of the French NT. FSP played for 10
> > > clubs and is now at Lausanne-Sport. ALT played for 8 clubs
> > > and is now at Valenciennes. Also didn't know until now, they are cousins!
> > >
> >
> > Mourad "the new Zidane" Meghni comes to mind.
>
>
> Yeah, I was thinking about him as well. 30 years, unattached, but
> basically ended his career ambitions in 2011 when he moved to Qatar.

The latest news is that he decided to switch to Futsal, playing for a
team in the third French Futsal division that's coached by his brother:

http://lebuzz.eurosport.fr/football/mourad-meghni-lex-futur-zidane-en-d3-de-futsal-a-seulement-30-ans-11728/


And then there was the story of Nikon El Maestro né Jevtic...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_Jevti%C4%87
http://lesrosbifs.org/nikon-el-maestro-jevtic-former-wonderkid-now-in-hungary/

The funny thing is that while 'El Maestro' turned out to not even be good
enough to avoid relegation from the Austrian sixth division, his brother
Nestor (who was the one responsible for his training and also a bit for the
hype) has had a decent career in the Bundesliga as technique coaching assistant
under Slomka.


Ciao,
Werner

[The Scrutineer]

"RED DEVIL" wrote in message
news:2ksqda9rpcqu9vvri...@4ax.com...

> Gabriel Palletta

Went on to become an Italian international, just moved to AC Milan too!!!

[The Scrutineer]

wrote in message
news:8c82e890-4f9a-48b7...@googlegroups.com...

> Who else?

Channelling me here?

I keep a MIA (Missing in Action) list and a MPL (Missing Players list)

Here are a few some posters can work on... anyone remember the following?

Dani Guiza
Jon Woodgate
Andrei Arshavin
Joan Capdevila
Kaka
Nicolas Anelka
Manucho
Chris Eagles
Louis Saha
Manuel Almunia

[Sven Mischkies]

Werner Pichler <wpic...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And then there was the story of Nikon El Maestro né Jevtic...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_Jevti%C4%87
> http://lesrosbifs.org/nikon-el-maestro-jevtic-former-wonderkid-now-in-hungary/
>
> The funny thing is that while 'El Maestro' turned out to not even be good
> enough to avoid relegation from the Austrian sixth division, his brother
> Nestor (who was the one responsible for his training and also a bit for
> the hype) has had a decent career in the Bundesliga as technique coaching
> assistant under Slomka.

When Nestor came to HSV there was an article about his name:

<http://mobil.abendblatt.de/sport/fussball/hsv/article124950465/Nestor-el-Maestro-eine-Karriere-mit-Kuenstlernamen.html>

Fromt his it didn't sound as if there was any noteworthy football talent
involved at any point. More like a youth sin a la "Others get a tattoo,
I get a fancy name".


Ciao,
SM
--
:P

[alka...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 10:01:54 PM UTC-5, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> Binder Dundat <dun...@nogmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Other 0 pointers of mine
> > Juan Iturbe- was very good in a SOuth American youth cup, but suffers
> > from the same problem as Marko Marin, he is tiny. Not quite Where is
> > he now territory, but could be someday.
>
>
> Well, picking a forward in forward rich Argentina is always a bit risky.
> Plus he can play for Paraguay?
>
>
> > Emre Can-Picked not because i thought he was such a dazzling skilled
> > player, but because he had a very confident, poised style of play and
> > seemed a natural leader, captaining Germany in some youth cup I watched
> > him in. still time for him
>
>
> He was the next big thing 2 years ago and he will have a good to great
> career. Dunno if it's enough for Germany, but him playing as a CB for
> Liverpool might make him more interesting for Loew.

Well, next season when Gerrard is gone he will most certainly be playing in midfield. Who's his long term competition in the NT? I guess depends on exactly how he would be deployed. As a DM, it would be Khedira, Kramer, Bender, or even Lahm? As a more B2B midfielder it would be Schweini or Kroos?

Euro 2014 might come too soon for him, but WC2018 might be a possibility as Schweini and Lahm will be in their mid-30s by then.

[Google Beta User]

I hope the handlers of that Norwegian 15 year old kid that was "touring" the top European clubs will protect him.

[Google Beta User]

I see what you are trying to do there but nobody on that list was claimed to be or seen "as future greats" other than Carroll and the two French then-kids. And even then, nobody claimed that say Pongolle would "easily start for any of the top 4 teams other than Liverpool" or any such things. But as Sven pointed out for Canales, if you are still contributing at a club in the top division it's not necessarily failure as such. I don't know how someone like Joe Cole is a failure.

Basically I think you missed the point of the OP--I suspect you saw Macheda and assumed it was a pop at Man U then you posted that Liverpool list in a fit of vengeful rage.

[alka...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 6:14:21 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>
> Admit it, you started this thread just so that you could take a swipe at
> poor Macheda and the "dizzy" United fans.

I won't deny that it gave me the idea for this thread.

[Sven Mischkies]

Lahm retired. I think there are some other DMs/Ms to compete with as
well - we have plenty to choose from on the central positions, therefore
my comment on him playing as CB. Still, not sure why he didn't get a
look closer look from Loew yet, IIRC he was one of the main men at Bayer
since his move.


Ciao,
SM
--
:P

[Sven Mischkies]

<alka...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Who else?


If you want more inspiration then this is a good place to start:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/it.sport.calcio.inter-fc/mS29BVvyMP4

(Don Balon's list of the best 100 players in the world, edition of
2001).


Some names I have never heard of and plenty of players who never
amounted to much. For LFC look no further than the midfielder who was
better than Gerrard: John Welsh. ;)

The real stars on this list come late: Iniesta (20), Robben (27), Zlatan
(35), Kaka (95).

I love that several CM legends are on it. 8)


Ciao,
SM
--
:P

[alka...@hotmail.com]

I forgot Gundogan too, probably the closest to Can in playing style.

[Jesus Petry]

On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 10:02:33 AM UTC-2, The Scrutineer wrote:
> wrote in message
> news:8c82e890-4f9a-48b7...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > Who else?
>
> Channelling me here?
>
> I keep a MIA (Missing in Action) list and a MPL (Missing Players list)
>
> Here are a few some posters can work on... anyone remember the following?
>
> Dani Guiza

Playing for Cerro Porteño in Paraguay, as mentioned in another thread.

> Jon Woodgate

Middlesbrough

> Andrei Arshavin

Zenit

> Joan Capdevila

Lierse (Belgium)

> Kaka

Orlando City (USA). Had a decent loan spell at São Paulo FC last year.

> Nicolas Anelka

Ended his career in Indonesia [!]

> Manucho

Rayo Vallecano

> Chris Eagles

No club - was with Blackpool until last month.

> Louis Saha

Ended his career at Lazio.

> Manuel Almunia

Ended his career at Watford.

Tchau!
Jesus Petry

[alka...@hotmail.com]

On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 9:20:12 AM UTC-5, Google Beta User wrote:
> I hope the handlers of that Norwegian 15 year old kid that was "touring" the top European clubs will protect him.

Odegaard got seduced and made a mistake IMO. He should have gone to established grooming grounds of Eredivisie or the Portuguese league like so many other greats did. Real Madrid doesn't have a good recent track record of bringing youngsters through its ranks.

[RED DEVIL]

lol...I don't get angry about the newsgroup, I'm usually too busy
laughing.

And all I asked was a question, and a fair one at that. Many on
that list were hailed by the Kopites as the second coming of Cantona.



>



The RED DEVIL

[alka...@hotmail.com]

On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 11:34:10 AM UTC-5, RED DEVIL wrote:

>
> lol...I don't get angry about the newsgroup, I'm usually too busy
> laughing.
>
> And all I asked was a question, and a fair one at that. Many on
> that list were hailed by the Kopites as the second coming of Cantona.

No no you're all confused, that was Luis Suarez we were talking about. And he turned to be so good that neither Cantona nor Charlton were ever fit to carry his water!

[Binder Dundat]

On 2/12/2015 10:01 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> Binder Dundat <dun...@nogmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Other 0 pointers of mine
>> Juan Iturbe- was very good in a SOuth American youth cup, but suffers
>> from the same problem as Marko Marin, he is tiny. Not quite Where is
>> he now territory, but could be someday.
>
>
> Well, picking a forward in forward rich Argentina is always a bit risky.
> Plus he can play for Paraguay?
>
>
>> Emre Can-Picked not because i thought he was such a dazzling skilled
>> player, but because he had a very confident, poised style of play and
>> seemed a natural leader, captaining Germany in some youth cup I watched
>> him in. still time for him
>
>
> He was the next big thing 2 years ago and he will have a good to great
> career. Dunno if it's enough for Germany, but him playing as a CB for
> Liverpool might make him more interesting for Loew.
>
>

>> Lassogga-running out of time, may fit in the where are they now category
>> soon.
>
>
> All these players that you are listing are young and have their careers
> ahead of them. Lasogga needs to fix his fitness problems (lots of muscle
> injuries), then maybe he can get a few caps (not as a regular, but as a
> throw-the-kitchen-sink sub).

>
>
>> Sead Kolasinic- is playing international football, but not for Germany,
>> so not a dud. Yet.
>
>
> You don't deserve any points if you can't even write their names
> correctly. At only 21 he already made it into the history books:
> "I"n" "t"h"e" "t"h"i"r"d" "m"i"n"u"t"e" "o"f" "t"h"e" "t"e"a"m"'"s"
> "o"p"e"n"i"n"g" "g"r"o"u"p" "m"a"t"c"h"," "K"o"l"a"a i"n"a"c"
> "s"c"o"r"e"d" "a"n" "u"n"f"o"r"t"u"n"a"t"e" "o"w"n" "g"o"a"l"," "t"h"e"
> "f"a"s"t"e"s"t" "i"n" "W"o"r"l"d" "C"u"p" "h"i"s"t"o"r"y"," "a"s"
> "A"r"g"e"n"t"i"n"a" "r"a"n" "o"u"t" "2" 1" "w"i"n"n"e"r"s" "a"t"
> "t"h"e" "E"s"t"·"d"i"o" "d"o" "M"a"r"a"c"a"n""".""
>
>

Just because I can not spell Lasogga or Kolasinac, does not mean you
have to start spelling every word you say now!

>> Jonathan Tah- I listened to Sven on that one, still young, but another
>> FS lesson learned
>
>
> Thank Slomka for that. Moron. Too good for the second league according
> to his manager at D'dorf. Next summer he will be back at HSV.
>
>
> Ciao,
> SM
>

[JG]

On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 10:19:33 AM UTC-5, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> <alka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Who else?
>
>
> If you want more inspiration then this is a good place to start:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/it.sport.calcio.inter-fc/mS29BVvyMP4
>
> (Don Balon's list of the best 100 players in the world, edition of
> 2001).

Mantorras! Johnnier Montano! Santino Quaranta was a decent player but had substance abuse issues.

> I love that several CM legends are on it. 8)

I'll never forget the goals Ramon Calliste scored for me at Portadown.

> Ciao,
> SM
> --
> :P

[RED DEVIL]

You are a very silly boy

I'm sure you've heard that before



The RED DEVIL

[alka...@hotmail.com]

C'mon, that's not fair. I never said Charlton wasn't that good, he was actually pretty good. He was Fernando Torres level, and that's nothing to be ashamed of.

[Mark]

On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 8:43:10 PM UTC, JG wrote:
> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 10:19:33 AM UTC-5, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> > <alka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Who else?
> >
> >
> > If you want more inspiration then this is a good place to start:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/it.sport.calcio.inter-fc/mS29BVvyMP4
> >
> > (Don Balon's list of the best 100 players in the world, edition of
> > 2001).
>
> Mantorras! Johnnier Montano! Santino Quaranta was a decent player but had substance abuse issues.
>

Yes I was thinking of mentioning Johnnier Montano. He made a big impact as a 16 year old for Colombia at the 1999 Copa America, and signed for Parma shortly afterwards.
The last I heard he was playing for Atletico Hulia or someone, back in Colombia; I'd never even heard of Atletico Hulia before.
Can anyone update this information?

[Adama]

Le vendredi 13 février 2015 07:44:42 UTC+1, Abubakr a écrit :
> Denilson had some good seasons at Betis and became a WC winner after his big money move there.
>
> For sure he didn't turn out to be the left-footed Garrincha but wasn't a total failure either.

Denilson also had a good spell in Bordeaux where he was loaned for his last season in Europe.
Bordeaux wished they could keep him, but Denilson's wage was way too high.

His move to Betis brought him lot of money, but his refusal to play in Europe for a lesser salary (I assume he was less paid in Dallas and Brazil) killed his european career. He was simply not good enough for the few clubs who could afford him, but he could have made a decent career in second-tier clubs.

[Adama]

Le vendredi 13 février 2015 07:50:43 UTC+1, Abubakr a écrit :
> Another couple of 'new Zidanes' who haven't quite lived up to the hype: Gourcuff et Menez.

Gourcuff is alwayd injured. He hasn't played a complete season since he moved to Lyon. But everytime he can play several games in a row, he manages to come back at a very very high level.

His contract with Lyon ends this season. If Wenger wants him, he won't get the new Zidane, but the new Diaby, unfortunately for both those players.

[MH]

On 2015-02-13 4:42 PM, RED DEVIL wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:13:01 -0800 (PST), alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

>
>> On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 2:17:40 PM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> Touted as future greats at one point, almost completely forgotten now.
>>>
>>> Sinama-Pongolle and Le Tallec - Signed for Liverpool in 2001 by Houllier
> and touted as the future of the French NT. FSP played for 10 clubs and
> is now at Lausanne-Sport. ALT played for 8 clubs and is now at
> Valenciennes. Also didn't know until now, they are cousins!
>>>

>>> Macheda - Scored two late goals in United title charge in 2009 and suddenly
> some dizzy United fans were predicting the rise of the new Eric
> Cantona. 6 loan spells later is he plying his trade in England's
> second tier at Cardiff. Still only 23!
>>>
>>> Saviola - A much higher profile player than the lot above, but
> considering his reputation as another potential Argentinian legend his
> career was a major let down. Playing for Verona in the Serie A now.

>>>
>>> Freddy Adu - Called the next Pele at age 14 and the player to
> take the USNT to new heights, the poor kid bounced around 9 clubs
> before ending up in the Brazilian second tier, and now in the Serbian
> league. Sound slike such old news, but still only 25!
>>>

>>> Finally, no flop list will ever be complete with the one time
> most expensive player in the world, Denilson. He ended up in the
> Vietnamese and Greek leagues before doing the world a favor and
> retiring in 2010.
>>>
>>> Who else?

>
> Every team has it's failures however promising they may start out.
>
> Can anyone tell me what happened to any of these flops?

Well, quite a few of them are not exactly flops. Certainly most did not
settle for any length of time at Liverpool, but some had achieved a lot
before joining Liverpool, and some did well after.

>
> Christian Poulsen

92 caps in his career for Denmark, 111 games for Schalke. Not really a
flop considering his whole career

> Alberto Aquilani

37 caps and 5 goals for Italy, 73 games (13 goals) for Fiorentina since
2012. So not even injured that much any more, and a fine player. Not a flop.

> Mark Gonzalez

Just scored twice against USA for Chile, but is in the tail end of his
career.

> Nuri Sahin

Seems to have recovered some form now that he is back in Dortmund.

> Paul Konchesky

Has had an average career. In an out of top division.

> Charlie Adam

75 games and 12 goals for Stoke. Has had a decent career.

> Andy Carroll

Due to his constant injuries, and the financial loss Liverpool took on
him, yeah, I would say a flop.

> Bernard Diomede

Never amounted to much after leaving Auxerre, but he is a world cup
winner and Chevalier de la Légion D'Honneur. Also won the French league
and cup.

Quite a few of the ones below are still playing , even Heskey.
Not going to keep going through them all, but eg. Baros has close to 100
caps for the Czechs, and a pile of international goals. Paletta is an
Italian international, and Downing is playing perhaps the best football
of his career.

Anyway there is a difference between being a bad buy, or overpriced, at
the time, and being a flop. And some of the guys on this list were
neither (Reina, for example).

[RED DEVIL]

The whole point is that they were all complete flops for Liverpool.



The RED DEVIL

[JG]

Montano just signed with Melgar in Peru.