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milivella

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Mar 24, 2010, 8:33:36 AM3/24/10
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You have one week (March 24-30) to see a goal scored after a long
chain of passes and post about it here. The person who'll have found
the longest chain of passes will win.

Please provide some proof. Only matches played in this week count.

E.g. Zubar vs. West Ham, 2 passes:
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/5137719/
(but it was scored before this week!)

It goes without saying, but... chain of passes = number of players of
the scoring team that have touched the ball since the last touch by an
opponent and before the goalscorer. If the same player touch the ball
twice, he's counted twice.

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Since you're supposed to watch football matches anyway, it's safe to
state that this game takes no time to play! (OK, some seconds to find
a proof...) In fact the game is inspired by Daniele's words about the
amount of time needed to adequately play Miniger:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/4b59b01ac6d5121e#

Another source of inspiration is of course one of the first and most
infamous statements in the history of football statistics: 80% of
goals are scored after a sequence of three passes or less (Reep -
Benjamin, Skill and Chance in Association Football, 1968)

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milivella

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Mar 24, 2010, 7:30:08 PM3/24/10
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milivella:

> You have one week (March 24-30) to see a goal scored after a long
> chain of passes and post about it here. The person who'll have found
> the longest chain of passes will win.

I'm giving you something (easy) to beat:
Mascara vs. Fiorentina, 2 passes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTNwEYwr0zs#t=00m15s

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Lleo

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Mar 24, 2010, 8:22:54 PM3/24/10
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Just to clarify, must the goal have been scored in this week (March
24-30), or any goal we've seen up to now counts?

If it's the latter, this one is hard to beat :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R_iYLca2gc

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Lleo

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Mar 24, 2010, 8:26:18 PM3/24/10
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On 24 mar, 21:22, Lleo <lleo...@lycos.com> wrote:
> On 24 mar, 20:30, milivella <milive...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > milivella:
>
> > > You have one week (March 24-30) to see a goal scored after a long
> > > chain of passes and post about it here. The person who'll have found
> > > the longest chain of passes will win.
>
> > I'm giving you something (easy) to beat:
> > Mascara vs. Fiorentina, 2 passes:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTNwEYwr0zs#t=00m15s
>
> Just to clarify, must the goal have been scored in this week (March
> 24-30), or any goal we've seen up to now counts?


Ooops sorry, nevermind... just read that

> Only matches played in this week count.

Apologies. But it WAS a nice goal anyway :-)

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Futbolmetrix

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Mar 25, 2010, 2:08:51 AM3/25/10
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On Mar 24, 8:26 pm, Lleo <lleo...@lycos.com> wrote:
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> Apologies. But it WAS a nice goal anyway :-)

This one doesn't get as much as hype, but it comes quite close in
terms of number of passes and time of possession before the goal. But
it does have less of the "synchronized passing and running into space"
element than the Cambiasso goal.

D

milivella

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Mar 25, 2010, 10:51:50 AM3/25/10
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Futbolmetrix:

It looks like something (a link to a video?) is missing. Or do you
want to subtly point to our incapacity to "see" the match?

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Futbolmetrix

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Mar 25, 2010, 3:59:05 PM3/25/10
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"milivella" <mili...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ooops...you do have a small point.

Well, let's make it a game then. Which goal am I thinking about?

Hint 1: it was scored in a World Cup match.

D


Lleo

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Mar 25, 2010, 4:42:54 PM3/25/10
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On 25 mar, 16:59, "Futbolmetrix" <futbolmet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "milivella" <milive...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Well, I thought of two...

1. Tardelli vs West Germany, WC'82 final
2. Maradona vs Greece, WC'94 first round

But although both had a nice exchange of passes in their build-up, it
wasn't close to 25... so I'm probably wrong. Any more hints?

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milivella

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Mar 25, 2010, 5:36:44 PM3/25/10
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Futbolmetrix:

> Well, let's make it a game then. Which goal am I thinking about?

Nice. The Quest for the Golden Chain Hidden in Futbolmetrix' Mind.

> Hint 1: it was scored in a World Cup match.

Can we have 2,061 attempts, please?

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milivella

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Mar 25, 2010, 5:37:53 PM3/25/10
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Lleo:

> Well, I thought of two...
>
> 1. Tardelli vs West Germany, WC'82 final
> 2. Maradona vs Greece, WC'94 first round
>
> But although both had a nice exchange of passes in their build-up, it
> wasn't close to 25... so I'm probably wrong.

Another wrong one:
3. Neeskens (penalty !) vs. West Germany, WC'74 final

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MH

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Mar 25, 2010, 6:27:37 PM3/25/10
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Futbolmetrix wrote:
> "milivella" <mili...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9e9ebf64-ab1f-4aa0...@upsg2000gro.googlegroups.com...
> OK, hint #2: It's a headed goal.

Wild guess: Klinsi vs. Yugoslavia WC 1990 ?
>
> D
>
>
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Futbolmetrix

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Mar 25, 2010, 6:59:48 PM3/25/10
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"MH" <MHno...@ucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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That has a Golden Chain Number of 5, at least based on this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aRcOzsCyH4

Cambiasso's goal has a GCN of 25. The Dutch move that led to Neeskens'
penalty has a GCN of 17, which also happens to be the GCN of the goal I'm
thinking about. And that's Hint #3.

D


Jim Goloboy

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Mar 25, 2010, 7:33:03 PM3/25/10
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On Mar 25, 6:59 pm, "Futbolmetrix" <futbolmet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "MH" <MHnos...@ucalgary.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:hogo0p$dqt$1...@news.ucalgary.ca...
>
>
>
> > Futbolmetrix wrote:
> >> "milivella" <milive...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >>news:9e9ebf64-ab1f-4aa0...@upsg2000gro.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Lleo:
>
> >>>> Well, I thought of two...
>
> >>>> 1. Tardelli vs West Germany, WC'82 final
> >>>> 2. Maradona vs Greece, WC'94 first round
>
> >>>> But although both had a nice exchange of passes in their build-up, it
> >>>> wasn't close to 25... so I'm probably wrong.
> >>> Another wrong one:
> >>> 3. Neeskens (penalty !) vs. West Germany, WC'74 final
>
> >> OK, hint #2: It's a headed goal.
>
> > Wild guess: Klinsi vs. Yugoslavia WC 1990 ?
>
> That has a Golden Chain Number of 5, at least based on this video
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aRcOzsCyH4
>
> Cambiasso's goal has a GCN of 25. The Dutch move that led to Neeskens'
> penalty has a GCN of 17, which also happens to be the GCN of the goal I'm
> thinking about. And that's Hint #3.

I'm not sure what the GCN was, but it Hint #4 that the goal was scored
against Italy by a player of partial Italian descent?

Futbolmetrix

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Mar 25, 2010, 8:26:40 PM3/25/10
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On Mar 25, 7:33 pm, Jim Goloboy <jim.golo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what the GCN was, but it Hint #4 that the goal was scored
> against Italy by a player of partial Italian descent?

Sounds like we have a winner.

Hint #5: not surprising that the winner would be Jim "The Voice of
CONCACAF" G.


D

Mark

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Mar 26, 2010, 7:48:04 AM3/26/10
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I can beat that! Velez Sarsfield's 1st goal against Colo Colo last
night was 3 passes.

milivella

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Mar 26, 2010, 7:59:00 AM3/26/10
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Mark:

> I can beat that! Velez Sarsfield's 1st goal against Colo Colo last
> night was 3 passes.

Even 4, if you count the throw-in.

Anyway, video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqjJv0Y0Bm4#t=0m20s

Congratulations, the Golden Chain is in your hand now. But beware:
it's not difficult to take it away...

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Jim Goloboy

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Mar 26, 2010, 10:04:22 AM3/26/10
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Seattle's first goal against Philadelphia in the MLS opener last night
was 6 or 7. I haven't found a video that shows the full buildup yet.

milivella

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Mar 26, 2010, 10:51:19 AM3/26/10
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Jim Goloboy:

> Seattle's first goal against Philadelphia in the MLS opener last night
> was 6 or 7. I haven't found a video that shows the full buildup yet.

No problem, we trust you. :) Anyone beats 6.5 passes?

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Mark V.

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Mar 27, 2010, 12:49:50 AM3/27/10
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On Mar 26, 9:49 pm, "Mark V." <markvande...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It seemed like more! I don't have a video for that, but you can hear
> me doing my best JP Dellacamera and watch Danny Califf getting a
> yellow card a few seconds into the match! (And I know that the Union
> weren't wearing red. I was fixated on the ref and pretty damned
> excited when I narrated this)

Oops. Here's the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22k5eTW3pa0

Lleo

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Mar 27, 2010, 11:30:00 AM3/27/10
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Well, after looking up almost every Italy WC game since 1970 onwards I
give up :-) Which goal is it?

Btw, while looking it up I've noticed that Italy and Argentina played
each other for no less than FIVE World Cups in a row (1974 to 1990),
which must be a record for any given fixture. That would have been
true for Brasil vs Argentina too, in the very same WC's, had those
teams met each other in 1986.

For the most repeated game, it must be Brasil vs Sweden (seven times),
but they never met for more than two WC's in a row (38/50, 90/94).

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Futbolmetrix

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Mar 27, 2010, 1:00:46 PM3/27/10
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On Mar 27, 11:30 am, Lleo <lleo...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> Well, after looking up almost every Italy WC game since 1970 onwards I
> give up :-) Which goal is it?

I thought that the CONCACAF hint had given it away. Ladies and gents,
I bring you Jared Borgetti's goal in Mexico-Italy, WC 2002

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VPBAqKJD80

D

Lleo

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Mar 27, 2010, 1:16:28 PM3/27/10
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Thanks. I had actually seen this goal while searching, but the video I
saw did not cover the full play. Nice one indeed.


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milivella

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Mar 27, 2010, 3:58:04 PM3/27/10
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Mark V.:

Two thumbs up: very funny!

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milivella

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Mar 27, 2010, 4:00:52 PM3/27/10
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Lleo:

> On 25 mar, 21:26, Futbolmetrix <futbolmet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 25, 7:33 pm, Jim Goloboy <jim.golo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I'm not sure what the GCN was, but it Hint #4 that the goal was scored
> > > against Italy by a player of partial Italian descent?
>
> > Sounds like we have a winner.
>
> > Hint #5: not surprising that the winner would be Jim "The Voice of
> > CONCACAF" G.
>
> > D
>
> Well, after looking up almost every Italy WC game since 1970 onwards I
> give up :-)

I hope that now you appreciate the subtle art of Italian play...

> Btw, while looking it up I've noticed that Italy and Argentina played
> each other for no less than FIVE World Cups in a row (1974 to 1990)

Wow, I never realized it.

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milivella

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Mar 27, 2010, 4:04:26 PM3/27/10
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Futbolmetrix:

> Ladies and gents,
> I bring you Jared Borgetti's goal in Mexico-Italy, WC 2002
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VPBAqKJD80

You can't do less than this and still hope to score, against the
mighty Italian defense!

(Lippi's current team is touching so deep abysses that you can't even
weaufxing them.)

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MH

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Mar 27, 2010, 8:51:57 PM3/27/10
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milivella wrote:
> Futbolmetrix:
>
>> Ladies and gents,
>> I bring you Jared Borgetti's goal in Mexico-Italy, WC 2002
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VPBAqKJD80
>
> You can't do less than this and still hope to score, against the
> mighty Italian defense!

Yes you can -- a lot fewer passes on this one (but still a nice build up
by Scottish standards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh8xwJ_9EDQ&feature=related

Futbolmetrix

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Mar 28, 2010, 8:00:11 AM3/28/10
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On Mar 27, 8:51 pm, MH <MHnos...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>
> > You can't do less than this and still hope to score, against the
> > mighty Italian defense!
>
> Yes you can -- a lot fewer passes on this one (but still a nice build up
> by Scottish standards
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh8xwJ_9EDQ&feature=related

Nice one.

By the way, letting the opposition knock the ball around for more than
a minute without even coming close to intercepting it is an example of
terrible defending, something of which the 2002 team was particularly
guilty.

D

milivella

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Mar 31, 2010, 12:19:54 PM3/31/10
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Jim Goloboy:

> Seattle's first goal against Philadelphia in the MLS opener last night
> was 6 or 7.

And this is the winner goal. You can view the last 4 passes here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnIqoiSDVSc#t=1m33s

So Jim inaugurates the RSS Games Hall of Fame!
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tn75Yf90b-qwbMG1_elVCog&output=html

(Does anybody want the rights to edit the spreasdheet and enter the
results of more games?)

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