[R] EPL - Manchester Teams - 11/24

[Google Beta User]

City up 3-0 vs. Spurs.

Ok, what's with the jekyll'n'hyde home and away act over there? What's going on?

United visit Cardiff later.

Day will end with Man U in 4th and City in 5th. The top of the table is looking *tight*.

[Lily White]

AVB OUT!

How much money do you need to make a half decent team!!!?????

Does he even know what to look for in a keeper?

Stupid little cyborg.

[Google Beta User]

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:20:21 AM UTC-5, Lily White wrote:

> How much money do you need to make a half decent team!!!?????

1. So far Soldado is no better than Adebayor basically. And that's the Adebayor that isn't bothered, the one that strolls around.

2. See Bale was a match winner. Your team needs to find one or two match winners.

3. We'll see about the signings. Benny says Lamela is "potentially one of the best five players in the world".

4. In any case it's pretty early. If you end the day at 9th, you're 8 points behind 1st place, and just three behind fourth. I think everyone of all teams, and the media, etc need to calm down a little and let things settle. It might not be until after the Christmas fixtures (just a month away) before we can make a judgement....

5....but you have looked clunky. You and Man U have clearly looked the worst of the top 7 (including Everton in there) teams in terms of actual play. Could be the number of new signings.

[Lily White]

How do you know that your coach is clueless?

You are down 3-0, desperately need goals and he brings on Adebayor.

[Lily White]

Just pathetic, now losing 4-0 to the shot putters! The same talentless team, in the same stadium, that a Bayern B team slept walk through, to an easy 3-0 win a couple of weeks ago.

The Cyborg has got to go!

[Lily White]

Oh wait it is 5-0 now. Though it was offside

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[Google Beta User]

1-1 at the half in Cardiff.

Campbell for the "blues" and Rooney for the "reds" (haha!)

Rooney apparently kicked out at someone but stayed on. Maybe the referee didn't see...

Seems like the interesting thing in this game is that it's not that Cardiff are parking the bus. Like Southampton and WBA they're actually playing football and making a game of it. Hmmm......

[Google Beta User]

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:46:06 AM UTC-5, Google Beta User wrote:
> 1-1 at the half in Cardiff.
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> Campbell for the "blues" and Rooney for the "reds" (haha!)

1-2 Evra, I should've said.

I cannot stand Patrice Evra.

[alka...@hotmail.com]

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:28:34 AM UTC-5, Google Beta User wrote:

> 3. We'll see about the signings. Benny says Lamela is "potentially one of the best five players in the world".

There has been a pattern over recent years of Serie A fans over-hyping players players in that league who don't seem to perform that well outside it:
Mutu - Was supposed to be the next big thing but totally flunked at Chelsea
Pastore - Same at PSG
Lavezzi - Productivity lower in Ligue 1 than it was in Serie A
Cavani - Has had a good start at PSG but plays for a flat track bully in a weak league. His output for Uruguay is not very impressive, far far lower than Suarez's (at 54m you would expect more)
Lamela - Can't even get a start at Spurs

And I'm not even bringing up less hyped players like Borini who went from starting at Roma to warming the bench at Sundrland.

[alka...@hotmail.com]

I agree. There is not another Man U player that I have ever despised more. He has a face you want to bitch slap.

[Google Beta User]

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:15:27 AM UTC-5, Google Beta User wrote:

> United visit Cardiff later.
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> Day will end with Man U in 4th and City in 5th. The top of the table is looking *tight*.

Ended up 2-2, so:


Arsenal 28
LFC 24
Chelsea 24
City 22
Southampton 22
United 21
Everton 21
Newcastle 20
Spurs 28

[alka...@hotmail.com]

AVB is doing a great job keeping Spurs joint top of the league, despite the 6-0 loss today.

[Lily White]

His only saving grace was introducing the Rugby points table scoring system to Spurs

[MH]

All players are different. Ibrahimovic has certainly lived up to hype
once he moved to France, as has Thiago Silva. But you are right, there
is certainly not a lot of credibility to the notion that Serie A is more
difficult to play in, more tactical or whatever, as a lot of players
have been saying (out of politeness). Callejon, Albiol, Higuain,
Gervinho, and others don't seem to have had such a hard time adapting,
and none of them are worldbeaters.

[MH]

How much of that is based on fairly recent events though? I don't
recall having had anything against Evra when he played for Monaco, or
for the first few years at united. My subjective opinion is that his
face now wears an arrogance and sense of entitlement that it did not
have before, but I suspect my judgement is being coloured by external
factors.

But certainly not my least favourite United played of all time by a long
shot. C Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy, Cantona and Steve Bruce all bothered
me more. And Ashley Young does currently.


>

[Jesper Lauridsen]

On 2013-11-24, Google Beta User <madr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:15:27 AM UTC-5, Google Beta User wrote:
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>> United visit Cardiff later.
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>> Day will end with Man U in 4th and City in 5th. The top of the table is looking *tight*.
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> Ended up 2-2, so:

More EPL refereeing:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4DGZ2xFk9lw/UpIk8K5uTZI/AAAAAAAABtw/JcVtD4imTR4/w426-h237/CAR0-0MANa.gif
http://i.minus.com/imtBKz70RbwLa.gif

[alka...@hotmail.com]

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 4:23:22 PM UTC-5, MH wrote:
> On 13-11-24 11:00 AM, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
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> > On Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:46:44 AM UTC-5, Google Beta User wrote:
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> >> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:46:06 AM UTC-5, Google Beta User wrote:
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> >> I cannot stand Patrice Evra.
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> > I agree. There is not another Man U player that I have ever despised more. He has a face you want to bitch slap.
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> How much of that is based on fairly recent events though?

I didn't pay much attention to him prior to the Suarez incident, but his behavior right after that was abhorrent. Whether Suarez did racially abuse him or not, he showed himself to be a very belligerent and vindictive person. I was also amazed how the media and Ferguson gave him a free pass on his behavior: grabbing Suarez's arm when Suarez didn't extend it to him (when did that become OK?) and taunting and showboating around Suarez after the victory at OT.

It's like the violent guy who's happy that someone insulted him because it now gives him free reign to throw punches.

> I don't
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> recall having had anything against Evra when he played for Monaco, or
>
> for the first few years at united. My subjective opinion is that his
>
> face now wears an arrogance and sense of entitlement that it did not
>
> have before, but I suspect my judgement is being coloured by external
>
> factors.

Yes, he does have a very arrogant persona, don't know if he had it before; maybe it's a result of his successes at Man U.

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> But certainly not my least favourite United played of all time by a long
>
> shot. C Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy, Cantona and Steve Bruce all bothered
>
> me more. And Ashley Young does currently.

I actually don't dislike any of these guys. The other Man U punk I hate is Gary Neville, and to a lesser degree Ferdinand, both very arrogant individuals like Evra.

[Sven Mischkies]

MH <MHno...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:

> But certainly not my least favourite United played of all time by a long
> shot. C Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy, Cantona and Steve Bruce all bothered
> me more. And Ashley Young does currently.

Why CR, RVN, Bruce? CR reminds a bit of A-Rod (who'd be surprised to
find a pic of him as a centaur in his bed room? ;)), but he doesn't seem
to be particular unfair on the pitch. Bit smug, but he worked hard to
get to where he is now.


Ciao,
SM
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[Sven Mischkies]

Jesper Lauridsen <rors...@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote:

> More EPL refereeing:


That's not EPL refereeing, that's ManU refereeing. ;)

[Google Beta User]

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 4:57:49 PM UTC-5, Sven Mischkies wrote:

> Why CR, RVN, Bruce? CR reminds a bit of A-Rod (who'd be surprised to
>
> find a pic of him as a centaur in his bed room? ;)), but he doesn't seem
>
> to be particular unfair on the pitch. Bit smug, but he worked hard to
>
> get to where he is now.

I don't mind arrogance.

I like Ronaldo, and I like Ibra for example.

Sometimes there's an a-hole vibe along with arrogance. I fully realize this is subjective. Evra rubs me the wrong way. I remember this one time he was taunting Arsenal in the paper, talking about "men versus boys" or soemthing like that. IIRC, he also bragged after that 8-2. Stay classy.

Then of course remember the World Cup fiasco.

Nothing wrong with arrogance. Being arrogant and an asshole is a problem. For example that's why many don't like Alex Ferguson.

[MH]

On 13-11-24 2:57 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> MH <MHno...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>
>> But certainly not my least favourite United played of all time by a long
>> shot. C Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy, Cantona and Steve Bruce all bothered
>> me more. And Ashley Young does currently.
>
>
> Why CR,

Incredibly vain and selfish. Generally obnoxious, diving. He just gives
me the creeps.

RVN,

Dirty in a surreptitious way. Horse faced (not his fault),

Bruce?

Archetypal defensive hacker. One of those guys who thinks leadership is
yelling at everyone (same reason I never liked Carra o Gerrard much).


Cantona - extreme arrogance. Nutcase. One of Ferguson's many
achievements was to control this guy to a large extent.

Young: effete diver. No guts.

[alka...@hotmail.com]

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 5:51:06 PM UTC-5, Google Beta User wrote:
> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 4:57:49 PM UTC-5, Sven Mischkies wrote:
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> > Why CR, RVN, Bruce? CR reminds a bit of A-Rod (who'd be surprised to
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> > find a pic of him as a centaur in his bed room? ;)), but he doesn't seem
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> >
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> > to be particular unfair on the pitch. Bit smug, but he worked hard to
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> >
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> > get to where he is now.
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> I don't mind arrogance.

Arrogance is an extremely unlikable trait by definition. I think what you are referring to is more along the lines of cocky. Cocky is "hey I'm the best" but could still be a friendly thing. Arrogance is "I'm the best and you're beneath me."

[alka...@hotmail.com]

Add Stevan Jovetic to the list.

[The Scrutineer]

"Google Beta User" wrote in message
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> Day will end with Man U in 4th and City in 5th. The top of the table is
> looking *tight*.

LOL

Beauty of football, it didn't!!!

[The Scrutineer]

"The Scrutineer" wrote in message news:l6ucps$sam$1...@dont-email.me...

Arsenal travel to City in a few weeks, it goes without saying, the fixture
list between now and then, every league match is a MUST win so we don't
travel with huge pressure!!!

[Futbolmetrix]

On 11/24/2013 12:24 PM, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
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> And I'm not even bringing up less hyped players like Borini who went from starting at Roma to warming the bench at Sundrland.

Thanks for reminding me about how pathetic the Serie A Rejects are in
the Official EPL fantasy game... (for what it's worth, Borini has always
been mediocre, even during his previous EPL stints).

Personal theory: all this stuff about one league being more "difficult"
than another is mostly BS. The overall quality and difficulty of a
league can be summarized pretty well by its UEFA coefficients.

In the mid 1990s, when Serie A was head and shoulders above the EPL, its
exports were quite successful (Zola, Vialli, Ravanelli, Di Matteo);
nowadays, the EPL is simply the better league, and it is more difficult
even for Serie A standouts to establish themselves in the top EPL sides.

D

[Bruce D. Scott]

alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

|> Add Stevan Jovetic to the list.

He should get a break due to the injuries that have set him back so
much... 2010 he was quite the star for Fiorentina and did well in the CL.

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[Abubakr]

Different type of tactics. Most teams don't press very high up the field
in Serie A and subsequently can struggle against foreign sides that do it
well.

Both EPL and Serie A are low scoring because of emphasis on defense
though. Still Serie A on the whole expects better technique of the average
player than the English even though there are more top players now in the
EPL.

I prefer Spanish league for stylistic reasons and Bundesliga for goals and
fun.

[Werner Pichler]

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:23:22 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
> On 13-11-24 11:00 AM, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:46:44 AM UTC-5, Google Beta User wrote:
> >>
> >> I cannot stand Patrice Evra.
> >
> > I agree. There is not another Man U player that I have ever despised more.
> > He has a face you want to bitch slap.
>
> How much of that is based on fairly recent events though? I don't
> recall having had anything against Evra when he played for Monaco, or
> for the first few years at united. My subjective opinion is that his
> face now wears an arrogance and sense of entitlement that it did not
> have before, but I suspect my judgement is being coloured by external
> factors.

As the current Bayern 'affair' has brought the idea of 'moles' in the
dressing room back into the news - I had to think back to Évra's, well,
less than perfect handling of the Knysna affair 2010 (and his obsession to
'find the traitor' instead of focussing on more immediate problems)...

Ciao,
Werner

[Abubakr]

On Monday, 25 November 2013 10:02:22 UTC+11, MH wrote:
> On 13-11-24 2:57 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote: > MH <MHno...@ucalgary.ca> wrote: > >> But certainly not my least favourite United played of all time by a long >> shot. C Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy, Cantona and Steve Bruce all bothered >> me more. And Ashley Young does currently. > > > Why CR, Incredibly vain and selfish. Generally obnoxious, diving. He just gives me the creeps. RVN, Dirty in a surreptitious way. Horse faced (not his fault), Bruce? Archetypal defensive hacker. One of those guys who thinks leadership is yelling at everyone (same reason I never liked Carra o Gerrard much). Cantona - extreme arrogance. Nutcase. One of Ferguson's many achievements was to control this guy to a large extent. Young: effete diver. No guts.

Well said!

[alka...@hotmail.com]

I don't think it has much to do with which league is better, stand-outs from even smaller leagues like the Dutch and Portuguese go to bigger leagues and do very well (e.g. Falcao, Suarez....I could probably list over a dozen recent examples). There just seems to be a pattern with Serie A stars flunking or not living up to expectations abroad. Don't know if it's a freak occurrence or if players are just getting over-hyped in that league.

[mehdi]

On 24/11/2013 17:24, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

> There has been a pattern over recent years of Serie A fans
> over-hyping
players players in that league who don't seem to perform that well
outside it:
> Mutu - Was supposed to be the next big thing but totally flunked at
Chelsea
> Pastore - Same at PSG Lavezzi - Productivity lower in Ligue 1 than it
> was in Serie A Cavani - Has had a good start at PSG but plays for a
> flat track bully
in a weak league. His output for Uruguay is not very impressive, far far
lower than Suarez's (at 54m you would expect more)
> Lamela - Can't even get a start at Spurs
>
> And I'm not even bringing up less hyped players like Borini who went
from starting at Roma to warming the bench at Sundrland.

Mutu had a drug problem. Lavezzi and Pastore play in the same position.
Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva have been huge successes as has Cavani,
when playing in the centre. He plays wide for Uruguay and has also
played wide for PSG. He's not a winger. Borini is not nor has he ever
been a winger. He was a 21 year old with one very promising half season
under his belt. They killed his momentum stone cold dead.

Coutinho was a dud at Inter and a star at Liverpool. Balotelli was
tremendous in his second season at Man City and despite many problems
with Mancini (and remember he wasn't the only one), he also made the
league winning goal. Santon has been excellent for Newcastle.

Players need the right environment in which to thrive. Lamela was
playing off Totti in Serie A, in the EPL he has Soldado and Defoe and a
moron for a coach.


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[mehdi]

On 24/11/2013 21:18, MH wrote:

> All players are different. Ibrahimovic has certainly lived up to hype
> once he moved to France, as has Thiago Silva. But you are right, there
> is certainly not a lot of credibility to the notion that Serie A is more
> difficult to play in, more tactical or whatever, as a lot of players
> have been saying (out of politeness). Callejon, Albiol, Higuain,
> Gervinho, and others don't seem to have had such a hard time adapting,
> and none of them are worldbeaters.

Gervinho has been reunited with the coach under whom he won a league
title. Without Totti he (and Roma) have struggled. Let's not
underestimate how influential Totti is. Napoli are out of the UCL and 8
points off top spot with just 15 games played. Albiol has been shit.
Have you seen Napoli's defence? Callejon and Higuain have performed well
- if you exclude the games against this year's title contenders i.e.
Juventus and Roma. Rossi is the biggest mark against Serie A, I don't
think he's very good but then no one is suggesting it's the 1990s and I
don't remember ever hearing a player come from the EPL or Spain and say
Serie A was easy in comparison.

[mehdi]

On 25/11/2013 01:01, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Add Stevan Jovetic to the list.

He's been injured.