2010 World Cup Goes to South Africa
IslanderUK
take place in South Africa. The runners up in the vote were Morocco
Krammerhead
> Better bring your bulletproofs if you're going there!
Won't save you from being hacked to death though.
Krammerhead
Benny
> From : Krammerhead <kramm...@hotmail.com>
>Won't save you from being hacked to death though.
>
>Krammerhead
I don't remember hearing of any problems when they hosted the Rugby
World Cup and that was in 1995.
Kwame
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Victoria Barrett
<anthu_001@No€SPaM€_hotmail.com> wrote:
>Quoting Kwame in rec.sport.soccer:
>
>>..voice of reason in an otherwise dross and stupid thread.
>
>Africa, including robbery, violence and murder against tourists? Perhaps I
>am, but last I heard crime is out of hand. Isn't it?
Yes, Anders, it is. But you can imagine that it's not an elegant topic
to speak about, since a lot of people could mistake that for a
race-conscious comment.
It's not true, obviously, and it seems you can't mention anything
negative about a place (in this case, a continent, something which is
absurd), without there being an inference that it's all negative.
But you know, it's like people thinking that Sweden is all about porn
and stupid blond busty women. Perceptions can be a biotch.
Il Genio
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Would you say the same thing if it was Brazil which organized this World Cup
?
Benny
>Quoting Kwame in rec.sport.soccer:
>
>>..voice of reason in an otherwise dross and stupid thread.
>
>I'm sorry but am I misinformed about the levels of crime rates in South
>Africa, including robbery, violence and murder against tourists? Perhaps I
>am, but last I heard crime is out of hand. Isn't it?
It is but will the effect the hosting of the World Cup? Based on the
1995 Rugby World Cup and 1999 Cricket World Cup the answer is no.
Lucky Devin
wrote:
>> Subject : 2010 World Cup Goes to South Africa
>> From : anders t <anthu_001@No€SPaM€_hotmail.com>
>
>>Quoting Kwame in rec.sport.soccer:
>>
>>>..voice of reason in an otherwise dross and stupid thread.
>>
>>I'm sorry but am I misinformed about the levels of crime rates in South
>>Africa, including robbery, violence and murder against tourists? Perhaps I
>>am, but last I heard crime is out of hand. Isn't it?
>
>It is but will the effect the hosting of the World Cup? Based on the
>1995 Rugby World Cup and 1999 Cricket World Cup the answer is no.
If you look at those two examples from 9 and 5 years ago respectively, then
that perhaps would lead one to believe the answer is no. Circumstances are
rather different now, in 2004, and the one thing that has remained the same in
RSA is the extreme murder rate. No one can say for sure what will happen of
course, but things like this should not be ignored.
I share the same opinion as Anders on this, and don't see how in any way shape
or form the issue of race was brought up. Someone is extremely over-sensitive
if they thought Anders was dogging on all of Africa just for stating a fact
about RSA. This is a fact that would frankly be foolish to ignore.
Like I have said before, I am happy that the African Confed finally got its
World Cup opportunity, as they kinda got dicked out of it years back. I
really, really hope that South Africa can put on a good show, and I hope they
can provide good, state of the art facilities. On the security issue, I think
world politics will come into play to ensure the safety of all the fans and
athletes. Whether that is a good or bad thing, remains to be seen. ;)
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Benny
>I share the same opinion as Anders on this, and don't see how in any way shape
>or form the issue of race was brought up.
It wasn't, at least not by Anders. Everyone has legitimate concerns
about the crime rate.
Krammerhead
Would like to add that I made my comment based on comments made to me by
a friend, who happens to be a black South African. He's told me many
times how his relatives write to him saying how bad it is there.
Krammerhead
Mango
"Lucky Devin" <devincom...@aol.comwstegate> wrote in message
news:20040516133257...@mb-m11.aol.com...> >> From : anders t <anthu_001@Noâ,¬SPaMâ,¬_hotmail.com>
> >
> >>Quoting Kwame in rec.sport.soccer:
> >>
> >>>..voice of reason in an otherwise dross and stupid thread.
> >>
> >>I'm sorry but am I misinformed about the levels of crime rates in South
> >>Africa, including robbery, violence and murder against tourists? Perhaps
I
> >>am, but last I heard crime is out of hand. Isn't it?
> >
> >It is but will the effect the hosting of the World Cup? Based on the
> >1995 Rugby World Cup and 1999 Cricket World Cup the answer is no.
>
> If you look at those two examples from 9 and 5 years ago respectively,
then
> that perhaps would lead one to believe the answer is no. Circumstances are
> rather different now, in 2004, and the one thing that has remained the
same in
> RSA is the extreme murder rate. No one can say for sure what will happen
of
> course, but things like this should not be ignored.
>
The cricket World Cup was held in South Africa in 2003. It is a pretty
recent example and things went pretty smoothly.
Myk Cameron
wrote:
High crime rates didn't stop Atlanta from hosting the Olympics.
Myk
Myk Cameron
Devin) wrote:
>> Benny Be...@soccer-europe.com
>wrote:
>
>>> Subject : 2010 World Cup Goes to South Africa
>>> From : anders t <anthu_001@No€SPaM€_hotmail.com>
>>
>>>Quoting Kwame in rec.sport.soccer:
>>>
>>>>..voice of reason in an otherwise dross and stupid thread.
>>>
>>>I'm sorry but am I misinformed about the levels of crime rates in South
>>>Africa, including robbery, violence and murder against tourists? Perhaps I
>>>am, but last I heard crime is out of hand. Isn't it?
>>
>>It is but will the effect the hosting of the World Cup? Based on the
>>1995 Rugby World Cup and 1999 Cricket World Cup the answer is no.
>
>If you look at those two examples from 9 and 5 years ago respectively, then
>that perhaps would lead one to believe the answer is no
The Cricket World Cup was in 2003, so only just over one year ago.
> Circumstances are
>rather different now, in 2004, and the one thing that has remained the same in
>RSA is the extreme murder rate. No one can say for sure what will happen of
>course, but things like this should not be ignored.
If murder rate is a major consideration, then perhaps Qatar should be
considered.
http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph-T/cri_mur_cap&int=-1
>I share the same opinion as Anders on this, and don't see how in any way shape
>or form the issue of race was brought up. Someone is extremely over-sensitive
>if they thought Anders was dogging on all of Africa just for stating a fact
>about RSA. This is a fact that would frankly be foolish to ignore.
Yes, but you're conveniently ignoring the fact that the World Cup is
still SIX years away and that, even allowing for the fact that the
situation may improve naturally in that time, security will of course
be beefed up to protect the fans.
Personally I'm worried about the way security at more immediate
sporting events is being handled - Athens in the first instance. If
everything goes well there, I see no reason why South Africa can't
host a successful World Cup.
Myk
Spurs143
> FIFA announced in Zurich today that the 2010 World Cup Finals will
> take place in South Africa. The runners up in the vote were Morocco
>
> http://www.eifl.org.uk/wc2010
We're still celebrating here!! I've never seen such a wonderful
Country wide celebration since we won the 95 Rugby World Cup.
PS. Seen the concerns about the crime in other parts of the thread.
WHOAH!!!
It's very much an over reaction! We do have a crime problem, but it's
not as bad as people make out. I've been to most places around the
world and I feel safest here in Durban! Obviously I'm biased - but
there's nothing to worry about - not more than any other country. Is
it possible to get mugged in London, Amsterdam, New York, where-ever
else? Well????
Yokie_Joe
You're slipping Victoria. I'm amazed you didn't pull up the original
poster for putting the result in the header. I must say it spoiled my
reaction to finding out the news in such a manner...
Il Genio
Btw,
> are they higher than in RSA?
Higher I don't think so. But high yes...
Alex Mizuki
> > Probably not. Because Brazil crime rates aren't as familiar in Sweden.
> > Btw, are they higher than in RSA?
> Higher I don't think so. But high yes...
I don't think this is much of an issue. Brazil has extremely high
crime rates in Rio and Sao Paulo probably matching some of RSA's
worst. However, I don't think any visitors will be staying in the
slums of Sao Paulo or the townships in South Africa where the violence
is really out of hand. Middle-income nations such as Brazil and South
Africa have both their first-worldish and third-worldian parts. And
even so, the World Cups have been held in many statistically more
violent areas such as Mexico, USA, South America, without greater
incidence of violence than ones in Western Europe.
If anything, the lesser numbers of "hooligans" made them have fewer
notable incidents. I would have serious concerns though if they were
talking about hosting in places like Nigeria, though.
Alex Mizuki
Mark V.
> >
> > http://www.eifl.org.uk/wc2010
>
> We're still celebrating here!! I've never seen such a wonderful
> Country wide celebration since we won the 95 Rugby World Cup.
>
> PS. Seen the concerns about the crime in other parts of the thread.
> WHOAH!!!
> It's very much an over reaction! We do have a crime problem, but it's
> not as bad as people make out. I've been to most places around the
> world and I feel safest here in Durban! Obviously I'm biased - but
> there's nothing to worry about - not more than any other country. Is
> it possible to get mugged in London, Amsterdam, New York, where-ever
> else? Well????
In what sorts of neighborhoods are the stadia where the matches are
likely to be played? Where are likely concentrations of accommodation
for visiting fans? I think that would tell us much more about relative
danger than "South Africa". I suspect that with intelligent planning
the risk of crime to fans can be kept to a minimum.
Spurs143
Well said Alex.
Mark V asked somewhere else in this thread about the stadia location,
I'll answer here as his post is yet to show up at Google!
All the stadia are in Urban areas, none are in townships. I'll doubl
check the details of all the stadia that we are planning to use later
today.
Accomodation is great. The Hilton, and the Royal Hotel in Durban will
be booked out soon I'm sure! Those are probably the two best in
Durban. The best thing about Durban (and Cape Town) is that there are
lots of suburbs around the main city centres where you can stay in B &
B's. Also, the traditional holiday destinations like Umhlanga are less
than 30 minutes drive from the stadiums. Most guest lodges, B & B's,
and self catering venues are within an hour of all of the major
stadiums. Also, I'm sure that there will be stepped up security during
the tournament. It will be safe here - we hosted the Cricket World Cup
last year and that went off wihtout a hitch (besides us stuffing up
the D/L method to get knocked out of the tournie :()
Also, the recent elections had no major incidents of wiolence even in
the rural areas.
Jussi Uosukainen
> Sweden is all about porn
> and stupid blond busty women.
>
Yes, we all knew that.
/jussi
Victoria Barrett
Devin) wrote:
>I share the same opinion as Anders on this, and don't see how in any way shape
>or form the issue of race was brought up. Someone is extremely over-sensitive
>if they thought Anders was dogging on all of Africa just for stating a fact
>about RSA. This is a fact that would frankly be foolish to ignore.
Wait, wait please. No one said Anders was talking about race!
In my reply, I alluded to the fact that some people (especially from
Africa, like Kwame, although this doesn't suggest he was intimating
this either!) are naturally very sensitive about this issue of crime,
and will "Africa" be able to successfully hold a World Cup without
violence and social problems overwhelming the event. I mean, come on,
it's like they can't do anything right, and every mention of Africa
has immediately to be followed by a "negative". Similarly, my Haitian
acquaintances are also sick and tired of this conversational direction
when speaking of Haiti. It must be so frustrating...
Some people replied, quite correctly, that South Africa especially has
held international events of the general scope of a World Cup.
It's my opinion that no Rugby World Cup, no Cricket World Cup could
EVER be the same importance and have equal infrastructure problems as
a soccer World Cup finals.
But it's also my opinion that since South Africa has at least a good
track record as hosts, and no major problems were reported during
those events (unlike Nigeria and recent saddening events regarding
beauty pageants, as one non-topical example), that certainly most
people should give South Africa, if not a pass, at least not harp on
the crime issue in the same breath.
Don't you guys think so too?