Is Roberto Baggio the new Pele?
Giuseppe Valetto
Cruyff and the likes) is simply ridiculous.
Baggio is a very talented player, with excellent ball skills. That's it.
He did not achieve anything special, besides winning UEFA cup last year.
He can be stopped by a good team defense, and many times even by a good,
smart and though (since he still tends to disappear from the game if it gets
phisical, even if less often than he used to) single player.
He is not a champion, in the sense that he too often fails to lead his
team and to elevate its team's level of play like he is able to do
in some occasions (IMO an essential component to be a champion,
or, if you will, a mega-champion like the ones above, is to be *consistent*
in playing at a stellar level). Also in his thriumphant season last year,
he played many bad games and at the half of the season he was openly and widely
criticized by media and fans. He recovered in the 2nd half to give Juventus
the cup and to play wall for the National team, though.
I don't think he ever will achieve the status of one of the great guys
above. He will be remembered just as the player of the year in 1993 and maybe
(hopefully for us Italians) as the star of USA 1994.
I think he is hugely overrated and the post I am replying to is an evidence
of this.
So long.
Peppo
Dr. Robin Dunford
: Roberto Baggio has won it all. He is the new sensation in world
: soccer. He was rated as the 93 player by world soccer, FIFA, and France
: Football. In the 70's, Johan Cryuff was a star. In the 80's, it was Maradona.
: Baggio is definitely the star in the 90's. However, can his talent and style
: of playing surpass Pele's? Maradona amazed the world throughout the 80's with
IMHO, no. Definitely not. I would still put Maradona above Baggio, but then
Baggio is still improving.
It is my belief that no player before or since has so dominated matches and
captivated the imagination of the entire football world as Pele. I hope none
ever will.
Baggio is undoubtedly a wonderful player, but he will never be Pele's equal.
Robin.
Filippo A Miglior
: .... Back then, Baggio was also only 23. Now, he has
: more experience and so does that mean that he will burst at once and for all?
: Sanj
Pele` won two world cups when he was younger that 27. Correct me I am wrong.
Anyway, I love Baggio, but please don't make those comparisons. Before
saying something like this, you should find the tape of Pele. Watch it
carefully!
Filippo
Max D'Ambrosio
>I don't think he ever will achieve the status of one of the great guys
>above. He will be remembered just as the player of the year in 1993 and maybe
>(hopefully for us Italians) as the star of USA 1994.
>I think he is hugely overrated and the post I am replying to is an evidence
>of this.
>So long.
> Peppo
>
Peppo di la verita' che sei milanista !!!!!!!!!!!!
We are comparing Baggio, a young player just starting his carrier in a big
club with people that played 'till they where over 40 years old. The times
are all so different as well. Any comparison is not possible just yet,
for Baggio we need to wait for another few years. In the meantime you can
compare PELE with MARADONA or with BECKEMBAUER or RIVA !!! Also I think that
the main reason why Baggio did not have much success yet is because,
unfortunately for him, he arrived to Juventus at a bad time for the team. He
just does not have a team that can support him yet. Immagine Baggio playing
for MILAN, we would be now talking about one of the best soccer players ever !!
So, I would not be to hard on him he is young he can and will improve, and
if he won the award for best player this year maybe it means that the
quality of other players is not been that great either !!!
Ciao
Max
Giuseppe Valetto
> Peppo di la verita' che sei milanista !!!!!!!!!!!!
I've rarely been insulted this much in my life! NO WAY I am a A.C. Milan fan,
and If you had read some postings of mine on this same group on Milan
you would have known better about my feelings toward that club.
I am actually a fan of Torino.
Anyway:
> We are comparing Baggio, a young player just starting his carrier in a big
> club [...]
Well, Baggio is playing for Juventus for quite a few years right now. At least 3,
I'd say. And he is not a VERY young player anymore. He is 27 if I remember
well. Still young in many senses but already experienced enough.
Nowadays new stars start to shine in Serie A as well as abroad at 21 or so.
> Also I think that
> the main reason why Baggio did not have much success yet is because,
> unfortunately for him, he arrived to Juventus at a bad time for the team.
While Juventus is not as good as Milan lately, it should at least be consistently
the 2nd power of italian soccer. In the last years they made a lot of efforts
to build a compettive team around Baggio and every summer they are rated as having
the potential of taking it all. But every year they fail, both at national and
international level (with the exception of last year UEFA cup).
This year they've been swept off with relative ease in Europe by Cagliari,
whose line-up is immensely less gifted than Juventus, by a 2nd division club
in the Italy Cup and struggle for the 2nd place in the league (which would
be, after all, a satisfactory achievement for them).
They fail to deliver, in my opinion, because Baggio does (some times at least).
Or alternatively because he is not the big star many people believe he is.
BTW, if I were a defender in Serie A I would surely be worried the night
before I have to play Baggio, but I wouldn't be able to sleep the whole
WEEK before playing Ruud Gullit!
If you think Baggio is THAT good (see the subject) then Gullit is super-natural.
So long.
Peppo
Sanjay Upadhyay
Roberto Baggio has won it all. He is the new sensation in world
soccer. He was rated as the 93 player by world soccer, FIFA, and France
Football. In the 70's, Johan Cryuff was a star. In the 80's, it was Maradona.
Baggio is definitely the star in the 90's. However, can his talent and style
of playing surpass Pele's? Maradona amazed the world throughout the 80's with
seems to have the ball and no one seems to be as good as him. Will he do what
Pele and Maradona did for their national teams in the US World Cup. Last world
cup, Schillachi was more significant than Baggio because he was the leading
scorer of the tournament. Back then, Baggio was also only 23. Now, he has
Sanj
John Maxwell
(though he scored more than a thousand goals!). He was also a playmaker,
a complete player. If you see the highlights from the '70 world cup, you
should note that it is Pele laying on the passes for the goal against
England and some of the goals against Italy.
I would like to add that I think Pele was ahead of his time in the athletic
aspect of sport. If you see him, he looked like a modern athlete, very
powerfully built and obviously looking after himself. A lot of players of
that era were not,and many were chain smokers (and hard drinkers no doubt!)
even into the seventies(Cruyff e.g.).
Having said that, I must add that one reason Pele's stature will probably
never be threatened is the element of luck. He was born in the right place
at the right time. George Best , for example , could never hope to have
the impact of Pele at the world cup , having been born in Northern Ireland.
Also, Pele's career bridged 2 great Brazilian teams: the '58 champions and
the '70 champions. There is no doubt that the '58 team was good enough
to win a world cup without Pele--they did it in '62 when Pele was injured
in the 1st round and effectively missed that world cup.
Luis Miguel Silveira
> "Sanjay" == Sanjay Upadhyay <ab...@watnxt03.ucr.edu> writes:
>
> Roberto Baggio has won it all. He is the new sensation in
> world soccer. He was rated as the 93 player by world soccer, FIFA,
> and France Football. In the 70's, Johan Cryuff was a star. In the
> 80's, it was Maradona. Baggio is definitely the star in the 90's.
Baggio has only been a start of some importance for the last two
years. Three years ago the world seemed to be in awe of Matthaus,
Papin, Van Basten, etc. I think it is way too early to place Baggio
in the level of the game's really great stars (Pele, Cruijff,
Beckenbauer, Puskas, Maradona and many many others). IMHO Baggio has
not even done enough to be placed at the same level as Van Basten or
Matthaus. Let him play for a couple of years, win some tournaments,
play a major role in his country's bid for a WC and then we can talk.
I think that placing a players with two great seasons at the same
level as the great Johan himself (replace by Diego, Edson, or your
favorite player) is sacrilegious and should be punishable under the
law 8-).
Just my 2c.
-Miguel
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Whitworth Brandi
I think he could be the new world idol if he just had more exposure.
If football teams would go on tours like rock concerts or perhaps like
the Harlem Globetrotters playing world wide.
Alan K.L. Wong
on earth. Whether Baggio can show his ability or not depends on how he is
placed in the pitch. As he is now in Juventus you can hardly see his full
talent. He is not that kind of striker who score in front, but is a skilful
and intelligent midfielder to help building up links between midfield and
forefield. As a midfielder he surely can outperform Maradona in his hog days.
As for comparing him with Pele...I haven't watch a single match of this
"wonderful figure" and it won't be fair if I made the comparison.
Comparing Baggio and Gullit...funny, they are playing different soccer style,
aren't they? Gullit is great, Baggio is great, no one can disagree, euh? :)
Alan
Guillermo Auad
Guillermo.
Charlatan
I don't think he can surpass nor compare with the all-time star/hero Pele!
Yes, Baggio is a flair player which can easily be proved in his Juvuntus'
shirt at the past few years. However, his skill, IMHO, may not be as good as
Pele. My rationale come from, when i watched at some tapes of the WC at 60s and
early 70s, Pele can give you surprise all the time -- scored at the narrow
angle, dribbled through tiles of defenders,.... etc. His inspiration to
the Brazil team is invaluable. But when you compared Baggio and him, the latter
is simple a skillful mid-fielder. He may score a lot but it doesn't make sense
to make comparion with Pele by this argument. IMHO, Baggio is rated as the
Footballer of the Year is simply because there is no one can compare with him
at the current moment. Just look at Serir A, Gullit is not fit enough during
the last season, the light of erx-Inter German Trio diminshed when they went
back to German/France.
Just my humble opinion :)
Charlatan
Tim McLellan
>Sanjay Upadhyay (ab...@watnxt03.ucr.edu) wrote:
>
>: Roberto Baggio has won it all. He is the new sensation in world
>: soccer. He was rated as the 93 player by world soccer, FIFA, and France
>: Football. In the 70's, Johan Cryuff was a star. In the 80's, it was Maradona.
>: Baggio is definitely the star in the 90's. However, can his talent and style
>: of playing surpass Pele's? Maradona amazed the world throughout the 80's with
>
>IMHO, no. Definitely not. I would still put Maradona above Baggio, but then
>Baggio is still improving.
>It is my belief that no player before or since has so dominated matches and
>captivated the imagination of the entire football world as Pele. I hope none
>ever will.
Personally I think it would be great for football if "another Pele" came
along and captivated the world in the same way. This would not have to
cloud our memory of the great player, who is unquestionably the best we
have seen so far. I look forward to a new star, but as yet it isn't Baggio.
Tim.
marcio dequeiroz
>
> Roberto Baggio has won it all. He is the new sensation in world
>
>
> Sanj
Is this a joke ?!
Marcio
Marcio Watanabe
: Marcio
What a coincidence. I was also going to post:
Is this a joke?!
* Marcio *
Alan K.L. Wong
Roberto Baggio is 93 World Footballer (or whatever it's called). You think it
is a joke???
Alan
marcio dequeiroz
>
> Roberto Baggio is 93 World Footballer (or whatever it's called). You think it
> is a joke???
>
> Alan
>
The joke I meant is to compare him to Pele'.
Marcio.
Luis Miguel Silveira
In article 6...@galaxy.ucr.edu, ab...@watnxt03.ucr.edu (Sanjay Upadhyay) writes:
>
> Roberto Baggio has won it all. He is the new sensation in world
> soccer.... (deleted stuff).
Has he now? When did he win the european championship or the world
championship with Italy? When did he win the European Champion's Cup,
or for that matter the Intercontinental Cup? What year did he win his
third+ player of the year award?
Baggio *may* become one of the great ones but for the time been the
jury is out. Yes, I know he is 93' player of the year and is playing
great, but Matthaus (sp?) last year at about the same time was in a
similar position and you seem to be discarding him now.
I think we will have to wait a couple of years before we judge
Baggio's record.
Just my 1c.
Alan K.L. Wong
Have a look at your original article. The joke you meant was NOT referring to
the comparison, but very obviously, referring to Baggio's being the new
sensation to the world's soccer. I have already posted my own humble comments
on the comparison (long time ago?) and am not going to repeat anything.
Regards,
Alan
Rodrigo B Capaz
|> marcio dequeiroz (mde...@eng.clemson.edu) wrote:
|> : In article L...@hkuxb.hku.hk, h921...@hkuxa.hku.hk (Alan K.L. Wong) writes:
|> : >
|> : > Roberto Baggio is 93 World Footballer (or whatever it's called). You think it
|> : > is a joke???
|> : >
|> : > Alan
|> : >
|> :
|> :
|> : The joke I meant is to compare him to Pele'.
|> :
|> : Marcio.
|>
|> Have a look at your original article. The joke you meant was NOT referring to
|> the comparison, but very obviously, referring to Baggio's being the new
|> sensation to the world's soccer. I have already posted my own humble comments
This is also a joke :-). Romario is better.
|> on the comparison (long time ago?) and am not going to repeat anything.
|>
|> Regards,
|>
|> Alan
|>
Regards --- Rodrigo Capaz
Alan K.L. Wong
:
: |> Have a look at your original article. The joke you meant was NOT referring to
: |> the comparison, but very obviously, referring to Baggio's being the new
: |> sensation to the world's soccer. I have already posted my own humble comments
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:
: This is also a joke :-). Romario is better.
No comment on who is better, but Baggio's being the new sensation to the world's
soccer and 1993 World Footballer is a FACT.
What _if_ I say: Brazil's qualifying for the WC is a JOKE :-) ?
This is just how your statement looks like to me: MEANINGLESS!
Alan
Tim McLellan
>Rodrigo B Capaz (ca...@athena.mit.edu) wrote:
>:
>: |> Have a look at your original article. The joke you meant was NOT referring to
>: |> the comparison, but very obviously, referring to Baggio's being the new
>: |> sensation to the world's soccer. I have already posted my own humble comments
>: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>:
>: This is also a joke :-). Romario is better.
>
>No comment on who is better, but Baggio's being the new sensation to the world's
>soccer and 1993 World Footballer is a FACT.
>
Being the "1993 World Footballer" may be a fact, however him being the
"new sensation to the world soccer" is merely opinion.
>What _if_ I say: Brazil's qualifying for the WC is a JOKE :-) ?
>This is just how your statement looks like to me: MEANINGLESS!
>
What if _I_ say: Taylor always selected quality teams in WC qualifying.
This is how your statement looks to me.
Tim.
Ruben A. Pelaez x6549
now. But to compare with Pele???
There have been many great players through the years, but the absolute best one
of all is Pele; I doubt there will be a player as amazing as he was.
Francis Moijue
: There is no question that Baggio is arguably the best player in the world right
: now. But to compare with Pele???
What do yo mean by the best player?
What makes one player above the other?
: There have been many great players through the years, but the absolute best one
: of all is Pele; I doubt there will be a player as amazing as he was.
If he were playing today would he be in that league?
Is this question of "best Player" relative?
Is it a function of time?
Please educate me.
Don Weymouth
While watching a game the other day, my wife asked if Roberto Baggio and
D. Baggio are brothers. I was embarrassed that I didn't know the answer.
Well?
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>
> While watching a game the other day, my wife asked if Roberto Baggio and
> D. Baggio are brothers. I was embarrassed that I didn't know the answer.
>
> Well?
Hi, well R.Baggio and D.Baggio are not brothers, R.Baggio brother plays
in the young fiorentina team.
Anyway if anyone saw the match Juventus-Lazio 6-1 how can anyone tell
that Roby Baggio isn't the best player in his role ???
P.S. Can anyone tell me how to watch italian matches in S.F., CA ??????
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Riccardo Fabio Biondini
>While watching a game the other day, my wife asked if Roberto Baggio and
>D. Baggio are brothers. I was embarrassed that I didn't know the answer.
>Well?
No, they are not brothers... I'm not sure where Dino Baggio was born
but Roby Baggio was born in Vicenza (N-E Italy).. He played for Lanerossi
Vicenza when he was only 15 and then went on to play for Fiorentina at
18 years of age in 1985. He left them three seasons back to play for
the Vecchia Signora (JUVE)
Riccardo.....
Forza Parma, Forza Vicenza...
ITALIA, vinca i Mondiali!!!!!!!
Jose Gisone
>Please educate me.
Pele will always be the best of all time. Maradona had a chance but he
blew it with his irresponsible actions off the field. Also, he has no
tact to deal with the public. When Baggio is on the field, he doesn't
compel me to watch him when he doesn't have the ball, the way Pele and
Maradona did.
Pele is in a world all of his own. He has had charm off the field since
he started playing. He is a personality. He is likeable. The others are
just great players.
Chau,
Jose Pablo
Alan K.L. Wong
:
: While watching a game the other day, my wife asked if Roberto Baggio and
: D. Baggio are brothers. I was embarrassed that I didn't know the answer.
:
: Well?
Yes, though they don't look much alike :b
Alan
Huw Morris
is this meant to be a smiley?
I hope so, cos Dino and Roberto are absolutely no relation whatsoever.
Slainte,
Huw
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> blew it with his irresponsible actions off the field. Also, he has no
> tact to deal with the public. When Baggio is on the field, he doesn't
> compel me to watch him when he doesn't have the ball, the way Pele and
> Maradona did.
>
> Pele is in a world all of his own. He has had charm off the field since
> he started playing. He is a personality. He is likeable. The others are
> just great players.
>
> Chau,
> Jose Pablo
>
>
Go tease your mother!
Pele is good, but he is no god.
Sidney Vastenhout.
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than Maradona) ?
'Geordie Best, Superstar
Wears pink knickers, and he wears a bra'
(N. Ireland school song)
Patrick McCully
Cesare
>Alan
Ahem, sorry to contradict you, but Roberto Baggio and Dino Baggio are
not brothers, actually they're not even relatives, the only things they
have in common are the surname, the team they play for (Juventus),
and the italian region they come from (Veneto).
Greetings, Cesare. (Great fan of Juventus FC) :)
tim
s.c.vas...@kub.nl writes:
>HA HA HA,
>Go tease your mother!
>Pele is good, but he is no god.
Well. Your statement just reflects your knowledge about this sport called
football. Pele is certainly no god, but he is by far the most amazing
player this sport has ever had. So far...
marcio dequeiroz
Pele is just good????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA ...
This comment shows how much you understand about soccer. If Pele is just good then how about Maradona, Platini, Zico, Garrincha, Zizinho, Puskas, Di Stefano, etc..? They
are probably just shi.. for you.
Marcio.
Pietro Lo Fria
Al Kamista
Pete Diggs
> Unfortunately for Italy, to compare Baggio to Pele' (but also to Maradona, or
> Cruyff and the likes) is simply ridiculous.
> Baggio is a very talented player, with excellent ball skills. That's it.
> He did not achieve anything special, besides winning UEFA cup last year.
> He can be stopped by a good team defense, and many times even by a good,
> smart and though (since he still tends to disappear from the game if it gets
> phisical, even if less often than he used to) single player.
> He is not a champion, in the sense that he too often fails to lead his
> team and to elevate its team's level of play like he is able to do
> in some occasions (IMO an essential component to be a champion,
> or, if you will, a mega-champion like the ones above, is to be *consistent*
> in playing at a stellar level). Also in his thriumphant season last year,
> he played many bad games and at the half of the season he was openly and widely
> criticized by media and fans. He recovered in the 2nd half to give Juventus
> the cup and to play wall for the National team, though.
> I don't think he ever will achieve the status of one of the great guys
> above. He will be remembered just as the player of the year in 1993 and maybe
> (hopefully for us Italians) as the star of USA 1994.
> I think he is hugely overrated and the post I am replying to is an evidence
> of this.
> So long.
> Peppo
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