Brazil: [at least] ten forwards for five WC slots
milivella
Involved in Fantasy Scout:
Hulk (pickable)
Diego Tardelli (Mark)
Alexandre Pato (Jesus)
Amauri (Daniele)
If I were Dunga:
Robinho
Luis Fabiano
Nilmar
Alexandre Pato
Ronaldo
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milivella
Abubakr
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>
> Involved in Fantasy Scout:
> Hulk (pickable)
> Diego Tardelli (Mark)
> Alexandre Pato (Jesus)
> Amauri (Daniele)
>
> If I were Dunga:
> Robinho
> Luis Fabiano
> Nilmar
> Alexandre Pato
> Ronaldo
>
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> Cheers
> milivella
Amauri is natural foil (sub) for Luis Fabiano, it should be a no-
brainer picking him.
Is Ronaldo back from his injury yet?
Lleo
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>
> Hulk (pickable)
> Diego Tardelli (Mark)
> Alexandre Pato (Jesus)
> Amauri (Daniele)
>
> If I were Dunga:
> Robinho
> Luis Fabiano
> Nilmar
> Alexandre Pato
> Ronaldo
Dunga doesn't seem too willing to call back Ronaldo, though. In a
recent interview about whether he'd test him in a pre-WC friendly, he
asked the reporters "not to induce him to repeat the errors of the
past".
Ronaldo is still good enough to be a dangerous forward in Brasil. But
WC level? I have my doubts. He is still visibly overweight, time and
then gets injured, though usually not for long (not that I have
noticed anyway). It is a short tournament, but that magnifies the
effect of injuries and really, you have to be fit. This is what Dunga
was referring to with "errors of the past", as in 2006 both Ronaldo
and Adriano showed up overweight.
So I don't know... as of now I tend to agree with Dunga, but one never
knows. Let's see what next year will tell us.
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Lléo
Lleo
It's like he's in a situation where both Brasil and Italy hesitate in
picking him. I wonder if both see him as an opportunist, or are just
waiting for each other's movement. Btw, when was the last time a
player could pick either of these two to play for? The 30s?
> Is Ronaldo back from his injury yet?
He played Corinthians's last game.
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Lléo
Jesus Petry
And scored.
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
Clément
> On 24 nov, 07:05, milivella wrote:
>
(...)
>
> > If I were Dunga:
> > Robinho
> > Luis Fabiano
> > Nilmar
> > Alexandre Pato
> > Ronaldo
>
> Dunga doesn't seem too willing to call back Ronaldo, though. In a
> recent interview about whether he'd test him in a pre-WC friendly, he
> asked the reporters "not to induce him to repeat the errors of the
> past".
This is what I like about Dunga, his no non-sense approach. Don't get
me wrong, I always rated Ronaldo as our #1 forward, and the signs of
his brilliance are still very noticeable in his game.
Still, it's highly doubtful he should be called at this point or in
the future.
> Ronaldo is still good enough to be a dangerous forward in Brasil. But
> WC level? I have my doubts. He is still visibly overweight, time and
> then gets injured, though usually not for long (not that I have
> noticed anyway).
That's the thinking here as well. I would be all for taking a chance
on him if we were short on strikers, but that doesn't seem like a
concern right now.
> It is a short tournament, but that magnifies the
> effect of injuries and really, you have to be fit. This is what Dunga
> was referring to with "errors of the past", as in 2006 both Ronaldo
> and Adriano showed up overweight.
If guys like Ronaldo, Adriano, and Ronaldinho keep improving, Dunga
will be under some pressure to call them up. And could be faced with
some tough decisions. It's one thing to lose with the big names on
board, and a whole different one to lose after refusing to take them.
> So I don't know... as of now I tend to agree with Dunga, but one never
> knows. Let's see what next year will tell us.
It's only fair to tend to agree with him at this point. The guy
deserves a lot of credit. He's doing a good job, and being
straightforward about not willing to repeat 2006's mistakes (I'm sure
we all remember how that worked out, the media included, right?).
Also, he would be well-advised to go with younger guys regardless of
anything else. Assuming guys like Nilmar and Pato are ready and fit,
you will fully contend while still building for the future.
In this context, I don't see Ronaldo adding a lot to the mix. Even if
it would be cool to see him play another WC.
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
milivella
> On 24 nov, 07:05, milivella <milive...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.goal.com/en/news/584/brazil/2009/11/23/1641494/south-ameri...
>
> > Involved in Fantasy Scout:
> > Hulk (pickable)
> > Diego Tardelli (Mark)
> > Alexandre Pato (Jesus)
> > Amauri (Daniele)
>
> > If I were Dunga:
> > Robinho
> > Luis Fabiano
> > Nilmar
> > Alexandre Pato
> > Ronaldo
>
> Dunga doesn't seem too willing to call back Ronaldo, though. In a
> recent interview about whether he'd test him in a pre-WC friendly, he
> asked the reporters "not to induce him to repeat the errors of the
> past".
>
> Ronaldo is still good enough to be a dangerous forward in Brasil. But
> WC level? I have my doubts. He is still visibly overweight, time and
> then gets injured, though usually not for long (not that I have
> noticed anyway). It is a short tournament, but that magnifies the
> effect of injuries and really, you have to be fit. This is what Dunga
> was referring to with "errors of the past", as in 2006 both Ronaldo
> and Adriano showed up overweight.
Yeah, I substantially agree. I included Ronaldo just as an eventual
"wild card": quarter-finals, you are down 0-2? Put in Ronaldo, and
let's see what happens.
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Cheers
milivella
milivella
> On 24 nov, 11:48, Abubakr <deltara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Amauri is natural foil (sub) for Luis Fabiano, it should be a no-
> > brainer picking him.
>
> It's like he's in a situation where both Brasil and Italy hesitate in
> picking him. I wonder if both see him as an opportunist, or are just
> waiting for each other's movement.
If I'm not wrong, Lippi can call him up until March, due to passport-
related problems.
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milivella
milivella
> Also, he would be well-advised to go with younger guys regardless of
> anything else. Assuming guys like Nilmar and Pato are ready and fit,
> you will fully contend while still building for the future.
Tell Capello... ;)
Yours is indeed an interesting philosophy. I would call up young
players because more hungry, but I must admit that to give them
experience is not bad.
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milivella
Clément
Just to clarify, this is as long as such young guys are ready for the
big stage. Assuming your team is a contender to begin, it's not a good
idea to jeopardize your chances to win right now just to give some
guys experience.
But, if the younger guys are ready (or seem to be) and in better shape
than the other options, I can't see how they shouldn't be given the
nod (especially when the team has been winning etc.).
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
milivella
Of course. The context is (at least so I got it!): if you have two
players *that are practically even from any other point of view*, do
you call up the younger or the older?
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milivella