FA Cup Final - R

[Google Beta User]

Phil McNulty:

"Mancini's first trophy was the FA Cup won here against Stoke City in 2011. That was City's first trophy in 35 years and he followed that up with City's first title in 44 years. Sign of the times in modern football if that is not deemed good enough to keep your job.

The counter argument I've seen that the problem with City this season isn't that they didn't get out of the group stages, or that they finished 2nd. It's *how* they finished 2nd, and *how* they looked and performed in the ECL.

Also I understand they're moving to a model in which the manager is more of a coach figure and that that Tixi director dude will have a lot of say in transfer targets.

[Google Beta User]

Pantimillon has been City's "domestic cup" GK all season. Get's dropped for this game for Hart though. Tough one, I'd have stuck with Pantimillon, they go the final with him.

[Sven Mischkies]

Sorry.... What's his name? Pantimillion? Million panties? What did he do
to get it?


Ciao,
SM
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[Werner Pichler]

On 11 Mai, 17:49, hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven Mischkies) wrote:

> Google Beta User <madro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Pantimillon has been City's "domestic cup" GK all season.  Get's dropped
>
> for this game for Hart though.  Tough one, I'd have stuck with
> Pantimillon, they go the final with him.
>
> Sorry.... What's his name? Pantimillion? Million panties? What did he do
> to get it?

Pantalimon :)

Very entertaining match so far.

Ciao,
Werner

[Abubakr]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 02:53:37 +1000, Werner Pichler <wpic...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 11 Mai, 17:49, hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven Mischkies) wrote:
>> Google Beta User <madro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Pantimillon has been City's "domestic cup" GK all season. Get's
>> dropped
>>
>> for this game for Hart though. Tough one, I'd have stuck with
>> Pantimillon, they go the final with him.
>>
>> Sorry.... What's his name? Pantimillion? Million panties? What did he do
>> to get it?
>
> Pantalimon :)
>
> Very entertaining match so far.

Wigan with the better attacks. And what the hell is Tevez doing?

[Werner Pichler]

On 11 Mai, 19:04, "Abubakr " <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 May 2013 02:53:37 +1000, Werner Pichler <wpich...@gmail.com>

Wigan still with the better attacks, although the
game deteriorated in the 2nd half. You'd never
guess this was a game of the last chance for Mancini.

And now Zabaleta sent off for a good old-fashioned
leg-breaking tackle on the best player on the field,
McManaman.

Ciao,
Werner

[Werner Pichler]

91st minute - Ben Watson outjumps Rodwell on a
corner to head Wigan in front. This has been deserved.

Ciao,
Werner

[Lleo]

Em sábado, 11 de maio de 2013 15h08min26s UTC-3, Werner Pichler escreveu:
> 91st minute - Ben Watson outjumps Rodwell on a
> corner to head Wigan in front. This has been deserved.

And so it ends, Wigan Athletic FA Cup winners. What a memorable day this must be for their fans.

--
Lléo

[Sven Mischkies]

Lleo <lle...@lycos.com> wrote:

> Em s�bado, 11 de maio de 2013 15h08min26s UTC-3, Werner Pichler escreveu:
> > 91st minute - Ben Watson outjumps Rodwell on a
> > corner to head Wigan in front. This has been deserved.

Huh. A juggernaut beaten by a minnow? Unreal.

> And so it ends, Wigan Athletic FA Cup winners. What a memorable day this
>must be for their fans.

Are you sure plural is warranted in this case? ;)

[Werner Pichler]

I wonder what their assessment of their season will be,
should they get relegated. On the one hand, money-wise
the loss of Premiership football cannot be outweighed by
any means by those EL group matches. On the other
hand, it's a freaking title, their first and maybe only ever!

Also: bye-bye Mancini, hello Pellegrini?

Ciao,
Werner

> --
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[The Doctor]

In article <8696e405-9bae-4262...@googlegroups.com>,

Google Beta User <madr...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Phil McNulty:=20
>
>"Mancini's first trophy was the FA Cup won here against Stoke City in 2011.=
> That was City's first trophy in 35 years and he followed that up with City=
>'s first title in 44 years. Sign of the times in modern football if that is=

> not deemed good enough to keep your job.
>

>The counter argument I've seen that the problem with City this season isn't=
> that they didn't get out of the group stages, or that they finished 2nd. =
>It's *how* they finished 2nd, and *how* they looked and performed in the EC=
>L.=20
>
>Also I understand they're moving to a model in which the manager is more of=
> a coach figure and that that Tixi director dude will have a lot of say in =
>transfer targets.=20
>

I loved what I saw. Man C red carded and Wigna 1 Mercenary Mancheating C 0!
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[The Doctor]

In article <ef7244de-39bb-4c55...@googlegroups.com>,
Lleo <lle...@lycos.com> wrote:
>Em s=E1bado, 11 de maio de 2013 15h08min26s UTC-3, Werner Pichler escreveu=

>:
>> 91st minute - Ben Watson outjumps Rodwell on a
>> corner to head Wigan in front. This has been deserved.
>

>And so it ends, Wigan Athletic FA Cup winners. What a memorable day this mu=

>st be for their fans.
>
>--

>Ll=E9o
>

Very!

[RED DEVIL]

Hart is absolute shite, always has been dodgy

I caught hell on this group early in the season for daring to say that
DeGea was a great young keeper.

Did anyone notice who was the PFA keeper of the year?

[Werner Pichler]

On 11 Mai, 20:18, hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven Mischkies) wrote:

> Lleo <lleo...@lycos.com> wrote:
> > Em s bado, 11 de maio de 2013 15h08min26s UTC-3, Werner Pichler  escreveu:
> > > 91st minute - Ben Watson outjumps Rodwell on a
> > > corner to head Wigan in front. This has been deserved.
>
> Huh. A juggernaut beaten by a minnow? Unreal.

You've got to love the Guardian live ticker

"And here come Wigan to collect their trophy. They're led
up the Wembley steps by Emmerson Boyce. What a
preposterous team. Beaten by Swansea reserves on Tuesday
night, winners of the FA Cup on Saturday evening. You've
gotta love 'em. You've got to love this. The FA Cup is lifted
by Emmerson Boyce and Gary Caldwell. Emmerson Boyce
and Gary Caldwell. Wigan. Good old Wigan. They might go
down next week. They truly are the most absurd team of all time."

> > And so it ends, Wigan Athletic FA Cup winners. What a memorable day this
> >must be for their fans.
>
> Are you sure plural is warranted in this case? ;)

I tried to avoid that joke :) But even if it's just Dave
Whelan, no way Man City deserved the trophy with
that display.

Ciao,
Werner

[Google Beta User]

Uh oh, Mancini just lost all leverage.

[MH]

Hey, there was a certain Chopsy here for a couple of years.
Chopsy, wherever you are, congratulations !

[MH]

On 13-05-11 12:18 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> Lleo <lle...@lycos.com> wrote:

>
>> Em s�bado, 11 de maio de 2013 15h08min26s UTC-3, Werner Pichler escreveu:
>>> 91st minute - Ben Watson outjumps Rodwell on a
>>> corner to head Wigan in front. This has been deserved.
>
>
> Huh. A juggernaut beaten by a minnow? Unreal.
>
>
>> And so it ends, Wigan Athletic FA Cup winners. What a memorable day this
>> must be for their fans.
>
>
> Are you sure plural is warranted in this case? ;)
>

Callum McManaman was very good in this game

The Wikpedia site for him currently has this gem :

"On 27 April, he scored his first Premier League goal for Wigan in a 2�2
draw against Tottenham.[30] He scored another crucial goal, a week
later, the winner in a 3�2 win against West Bromwich Albion.[31] After
this amazing display, rumors have been buzzing around that Liverpool are
going to make a �40m bid. Liverpool want Callum McManaman to join the
dream team, along with Jordan Henderson. Stewart Downing and soon to be
returning Andy Facking Carroll. "

>
> Ciao,
> SM
>

[Werner Pichler]

Right, I forgot. This is an interesting thread from back then:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_frm/thread/82df22b90cad8692/5d9caa4921381aae?lnk=gst&q=chopsy+wigan#5d9caa4921381aae

Eight years on, Chopsy was right in his assesment
that Wigan could regularly pull an attendance of 19k...

Ciao,
Werner

[Lleo]

Werner Pichler escreveu:
> MH wrote:
> > Werner Pichler wrote:
> > > Sven Mischkies wrote:

> > >> I wrote:
> > >>> And so it ends, Wigan Athletic FA Cup winners. What a memorable day this
> > >>> must be for their fans.
> > >>
> > >> Are you sure plural is warranted in this case? ;)
> >
> > > I tried to avoid that joke :) But even if it's just Dave
> > > Whelan, no way Man City deserved the trophy with
> > > that display.
> >
> > Hey, there was a certain Chopsy here for a couple of years.
> > Chopsy, wherever you are, congratulations !
>
> Right, I forgot. This is an interesting thread from back then:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_frm/thread/82df22b90cad8692/5d9caa4921381aae?lnk=gst&q=chopsy+wigan#5d9caa4921381aae
>
> Eight years on, Chopsy was right in his assesment
> that Wigan could regularly pull an attendance of 19k...

Hope he could have been at Wembley today, but in any case
congratulations to Chopsy!

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[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 11:33:44 AM UTC-7, Google Beta User wrote:
> Uh oh, Mancini just lost all leverage.

He also just lost his job. I can't think getting beaten for hardware by a Championship side isn't the final nail.

It is a sign of the times.

Mike

[RED DEVIL]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:44 -0700 (PDT), Google Beta User
<madr...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Uh oh, Mancini just lost all leverage.

He's second rate and needs to go back to a second rate league, he's
obviously not good enough for the BPL

[Binder Dundat]

On May 11, 2:24 pm, RED DEVIL <REDE...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 May 2013 08:20:19 -0700 (PDT), Google Beta User
>

> <madro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Pantimillon has been City's "domestic cup" GK all season.
>
> Get's dropped for this game for Hart though.  Tough one, I'd have
> stuck with Pantimillon, they go the final with him.
>
> Hart is absolute shite, always has been dodgy

Hart is Ok, I thought he was good in the UCL games vs Dortmund and
Madrid, though I thought he was slow to react to the goal today?

>
> I caught hell on this group early in the season for daring to say that
> DeGea was a great young keeper.

I will give you that, DeGea has improved a lot this season, though he
still looks shaky at times on crosses, his reactions are very good,
but I kind of expect that from a good keeper. Having said that i have
seen the likes of Neuer or Adler look totally lost at times as well on
crosses. Being a keeper for any club, let alone a top club, has got
to be very difficult and it is so easy to criticize keepers, as
everyone does, so yes, Degea has performed far better then I thought
he would. Time will tell how he develops?

As i have always said, you have to be a bit crazy or strong willed or
both to be a keeper, most of the good keepers i knew were always a bit
off? In this day and age, possibly more so, just to have the thick
skin to listen to all the cheap pundits shoot you down any time you
let in a goal. The likes of Yashin or Banks or Maier, never had to
have a million reporters question any cheap goals they let in and
believe me, like anyone else, they let in bad goals too.

>
>   Did anyone notice who was the PFA keeper of the year?

Was it Begovic, the Canadian?

[The Doctor]

In article <4aacf606-989f-4753...@googlegroups.com>,

Google Beta User <madr...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Uh oh, Mancini just lost all leverage.

Man C like Man U and Liverpool FC are loser clubs.

[RED DEVIL]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 21:45:53 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
(The Doctor) wrote:

>In article <4aacf606-989f-4753...@googlegroups.com>,
>Google Beta User <madr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Uh oh, Mancini just lost all leverage.
>
>Man C like Man U and Liverpool FC are loser clubs.

Yet our trophy cabinet at Old Trafford has silver in it and the one at
the Emirates just has dust

[RED DEVIL]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 13:37:07 -0700 (PDT), Binder Dundat
<dun...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 11, 2:24�pm, RED DEVIL <REDE...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 May 2013 08:20:19 -0700 (PDT), Google Beta User
>>
>> <madro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Pantimillon has been City's "domestic cup" GK all season.
>>
>> Get's dropped for this game for Hart though. �Tough one, I'd have
>> stuck with Pantimillon, they go the final with him.
>>
>> Hart is absolute shite, always has been dodgy
>
>Hart is Ok, I thought he was good in the UCL games vs Dortmund and
>Madrid, though I thought he was slow to react to the goal today?
>>
>> I caught hell on this group early in the season for daring to say that
>> DeGea was a great young keeper.
>
>I will give you that, DeGea has improved a lot this season, though he
>still looks shaky at times on crosses, his reactions are very good,
>but I kind of expect that from a good keeper. Having said that i have
>seen the likes of Neuer or Adler look totally lost at times as well on
>crosses. Being a keeper for any club, let alone a top club, has got
>to be very difficult and it is so easy to criticize keepers, as
>everyone does, so yes, Degea has performed far better then I thought
>he would. Time will tell how he develops?
>

As I tried to explain previously (although to be fair, not to you)
DeGea has just turned 22 and is very young for a top keeper, he could
well play into his 40s and I doubt he'll be at his absolute best until
he hits his mid to late 30s.

>As i have always said, you have to be a bit crazy or strong willed or
>both to be a keeper, most of the good keepers i knew were always a bit
>off? In this day and age, possibly more so, just to have the thick
>skin to listen to all the cheap pundits shoot you down any time you
>let in a goal. The likes of Yashin or Banks or Maier, never had to
>have a million reporters question any cheap goals they let in and
>believe me, like anyone else, they let in bad goals too.
>
>>

All very true, it's also true they were all better in their latter
playing years, it's scary to see keepers as good as DeGea and to a
lesser extent Chesney in their early 20s.


>> � Did anyone notice who was the PFA keeper of the year?

>Was it Begovic, the Canadian?

no...lol

Of course it was DeGea

[The Doctor]

In article <mhito8h6qco235upp...@4ax.com>,

Time for the FA to investigated for fairest by an independent parliamentary
Committee.

[Abubakr]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 04:19:09 +1000, Werner Pichler <wpic...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 11 Mai, 20:11, Lleo <lleo...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> Em sábado, 11 de maio de 2013 15h08min26s UTC-3, Werner Pichler
>> escreveu:
>>
>> > 91st minute - Ben Watson outjumps Rodwell on a
>> > corner to head Wigan in front. This has been deserved.
>>
>> And so it ends, Wigan Athletic FA Cup winners. What a memorable day
>> this must be for their fans.
>
> I wonder what their assessment of their season will be,
> should they get relegated. On the one hand, money-wise
> the loss of Premiership football cannot be outweighed by
> any means by those EL group matches. On the other
> hand, it's a freaking title, their first and maybe only ever!

Not bad for a rugby team.

> Also: bye-bye Mancini, hello Pellegrini?

Would be a good idea, methinks. Knows how to get his teams to CL K.O.
rounds like the semis...

[Abubakr]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 05:17:07 +1000, MH <MHno...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:

> On 13-05-11 12:18 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>> Lleo <lle...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>

>>> Em sábado, 11 de maio de 2013 15h08min26s UTC-3, Werner Pichler

>>> escreveu:
>>>> 91st minute - Ben Watson outjumps Rodwell on a
>>>> corner to head Wigan in front. This has been deserved.
>>
>>
>> Huh. A juggernaut beaten by a minnow? Unreal.
>>
>>
>>> And so it ends, Wigan Athletic FA Cup winners. What a memorable day
>>> this
>>> must be for their fans.
>>
>>
>> Are you sure plural is warranted in this case? ;)
>>
>
> Callum McManaman was very good in this game
>
> The Wikpedia site for him currently has this gem :
>

> "On 27 April, he scored his first Premier League goal for Wigan in a 2–2

> draw against Tottenham.[30] He scored another crucial goal, a week

> later, the winner in a 3–2 win against West Bromwich Albion.[31] After

> this amazing display, rumors have been buzzing around that Liverpool are

> going to make a £40m bid. Liverpool want Callum McManaman to join the

> dream team, along with Jordan Henderson. Stewart Downing and soon to be
> returning Andy Facking Carroll. "

LOL...that's fantastic.

btw is this the same McManaman that butchered that guy a few weeks ago and
didn't even get a foul called on him?

[mehdi]

On 11/05/2013 19:33, Google Beta User wrote:
> Uh oh, Mancini just lost all leverage.

He should have been sacked 2 years ago. I don't care that he fluked
winning the league. With the squad at his disposal he should have walked
the last two titles. So happy he's gone.

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[Alkamista]

On May 12, 11:26 am, mehdi <me...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> On 11/05/2013 19:33, Google Beta User wrote:
>
> > Uh oh, Mancini just lost all leverage.
>
> He should have been sacked 2 years ago. I don't care that he fluked
> winning the league. With the squad at his disposal he should have walked
> the last two titles. So happy he's gone.

Mediocrity personified. A total silver platter manager.

[MH]

Yes. Was no foul in fact called? I have looked at the video, and he
definitely should have got a red card for sheer clumsiness. However, I
am not so sure the epithet "horror tackle", much cited in the media,
really applies, since it doesn't look to me like he was intending to
tackle anyone at all. The ball bounces up in front of him in a perfectly
playable position, he tries to kick it, misses almost completely (he
does graze it), and follows through onto the Newcastle player's
knee/shin. No excuses, should have been a red for excessive force, and
not controlling his body so that he doesn't endanger other players. But
perhaps if he had made proper contact with the ball, which was certainly
easy enough to do, nothing would have happened at all.

[Google Beta User]

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 11:35:54 AM UTC-4, Alkamista wrote:

> > He should have been sacked 2 years ago. I don't care that he fluked
>
> > winning the league. With the squad at his disposal he should have walked
>
> > the last two titles. So happy he's gone.
>
>
>
> Mediocrity personified. A total silver platter manager.

I still don't get Sinclair, Maicon and Garcia. He's calling them shit in public and disavowing them, but honestly they'd have been better off even not signing anyone at all. What was going on there?

[Alkamista]

I don't know who sanctioned the signings at City, I'm guessing Mancini
had a big say. Garcia was a promising player and some signings fail,
so I don't fault him much for that. Maicon is an experienced backup,
so no issues with that no either. Sinclair was a complete bonehead
signing, the classic player hoarding syndrome. Rodwell was dumb too, a
big downgrade on De Jong. They pissed a lot of money on mediocrity
earlier in his tenure too.
At the end of the day City just signed high-profile mercenaries, no
one gave a crap about the club. Mancini was a poor motivator in that
regard. He also was completely devoid of any imagination with his
tactics. He should be back in Italy coaching a second tier Serie A
club and playing with three DMs, that's his level.

[RED DEVIL]

Mancini is an idiot

Another failed Italian manager in England, they just can't cut it in
the big leagues

[RED DEVIL]

My God...

We agree on something

[zeebjii]

On Monday, May 13, 2013 1:49:18 AM UTC+8, RED DEVIL wrote:
> On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:44:42 -0700 (PDT), Google Beta User

> Another failed Italian manager in England, they just can't cut it in
>
> the big leagues

Yes, but unlike your Euroflop Sir, an interim italian manager can win the top european prize at his first attempt.

Alex Ferguson is an sorry embarassment for english football in europe.

[Sven Mischkies]

zeebjii <zee...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, but unlike your Euroflop Sir, an interim italian manager can win the
>top european prize at his first attempt.
>

Like who? Di Matteo is Swiss, and used all the luck of his management
career in those three games.

[mehdi]

On 13/05/2013 09:11, Sven Mischkies wrote:

> Like who? Di Matteo is Swiss, and used all the luck of his management
> career in those three games.

Managers get lucky more than once in their careers. Taggart twice, in
1999 and 2008. There was nothing impressive about their European Cup
wins under him. He gets top marks for longevity but in Europe given the
resources at his disposal he was mediocre. In his 27 years at OT Porto
also won 2 European Cups.

[Alkamista]

On May 13, 8:14 am, mehdi <me...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> On 13/05/2013 09:11, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> > Like who? Di Matteo is Swiss, and used all the luck of his management
> > career in those three games.
>
> Managers get lucky more than once in their careers. Taggart twice, in
> 1999 and 2008. There was nothing impressive about their European Cup
> wins under him. He gets top marks for longevity but in Europe given the
> resources at his disposal he was mediocre. In his 27 years at OT Porto
> also won 2 European Cups.

He had an impressive win % in the UCL and his team was always right up
there challenging in the latter rounds. But you are right, for the
amount of opportunities he had in the competition, the resources at
his disposal, and the sheer mad luck that got him his two trophies, he
was an underachiever in the competition.

[Werner Pichler]

On 13 Mai, 14:14, mehdi <me...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> On 13/05/2013 09:11, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> > Like who? Di Matteo is Swiss, and used all the luck of his management
> > career in those three games.
>
> Managers get lucky more than once in their careers. Taggart twice, in
> 1999 and 2008. There was nothing impressive about their European Cup
> wins under him. He gets top marks for longevity but in Europe given the
> resources at his disposal he was mediocre. In his 27 years at OT Porto
> also won 2 European Cups.

I thought you had given SAF his dues when he, as you had demanded
for the longest time, finally got them their 2nd CL win.

And as for Lady Luck, Ancelotti also won one CL in a penalty
shoot-out.

Ciao,
Werner

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[Sven Mischkies]

mehdi <me...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:

> On 13/05/2013 09:11, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> > Like who? Di Matteo is Swiss, and used all the luck of his management
> > career in those three games.
>
> Managers get lucky more than once in their careers. Taggart twice, in
> 1999 and 2008. There was nothing impressive about their European Cup
> wins under him. He gets top marks for longevity but in Europe given the
> resources at his disposal he was mediocre. In his 27 years at OT Porto
> also won 2 European Cups.

His two wins were nowhere near as lucky als Chelski's last season,
though.

[RED DEVIL]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 21:56:17 -0700 (PDT), zeebjii <zee...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Thats why he has 4 European Trophies to his name?

[mehdi]

On 13/05/2013 14:56, Werner Pichler wrote:

> I thought you had given SAF his dues when he, as you had demanded
> for the longest time, finally got them their 2nd CL win.

I wouldn't say I gave him his due.

> And as for Lady Luck, Ancelotti also won one CL in a penalty
> shoot-out.

They also won one in normal time and lost one on penalties but the main
difference was under Ancelotti Milan were the dominant team in Europe
for five years. Under Ferguson Man United never dominated Europe like
the great teams and coaches of the past.

[RED DEVIL]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 21:00:40 +0100, mehdi <me...@soccer-europe.com>
wrote:

>On 13/05/2013 14:56, Werner Pichler wrote:
>
>> I thought you had given SAF his dues when he, as you had demanded
>> for the longest time, finally got them their 2nd CL win.
>
>I wouldn't say I gave him his due.
>

You've never given any English team "their due"

[darkst...@gmail.com]

Roberto Mancini fired by Manchester City today.

Assistant to take over for the final two EPL matches and the US tour, after that, it's Pelligrini.

This is what happens when you lose your domestic Cup to a side headed down.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/13/roberto-mancini-manchester-city-sacked

Mike

[The Doctor]

In article <mv23p8114vmc6clkg...@4ax.com>,

He must be a scots!

[Diabolik]

"RED DEVIL" <RED...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote in message
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It only took 27 years;)

[Diabolik]

"RED DEVIL" <RED...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote in message

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Ferguson only took *6* very long years to win his first league! LOL

Mancini only took 2 years!

[RED DEVIL]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 18:19:39 -0700 (PDT), darkst...@gmail.com
wrote:

No

This is what happens after you spend 500 million to win a couple of
cups

[RED DEVIL]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 12:40:21 +1000, "Diabolik" <diab...@nospam.com>
wrote:

Remember English teams were banned from Europe thanks to our friends
in Liverpool, and after the ban it took awhile to get back on track.

I can name you a quite few managers that have been in the game as
long as Ferguson that don't have as many European trophies are they
all embarrassments for to their countries?

[RED DEVIL]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 12:47:49 +1000, "Diabolik" <diab...@nospam.com>
wrote:

AND 500 MILLION

And now he's got the sack

[Diabolik]

"RED DEVIL" <RED...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote in message

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I'm sure ManU spent a lot more than that while Ferguson was there.

> And now he's got the sack

Yeah, he got the sack for coming 2nd and reaching the Fa Cup final. It makes
a lot of sense;)

Here's the next Chelsea.

[Diabolik]

"RED DEVIL" <RED...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 14 May 2013 12:40:21 +1000, "Diabolik" <diab...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"RED DEVIL" <RED...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote in message
>>news:hh22p8tri6q8fe3uu...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 12 May 2013 21:56:17 -0700 (PDT), zeebjii <zee...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Monday, May 13, 2013 1:49:18 AM UTC+8, RED DEVIL wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:44:42 -0700 (PDT), Google Beta User
>>>>
>>>>> Another failed Italian manager in England, they just can't cut it in
>>>>>
>>>>> the big leagues
>>>>
>>>>Yes, but unlike your Euroflop Sir, an interim italian manager can win
>>>>the
>>>>top european prize at his first attempt.
>>>>
>>>>Alex Ferguson is an sorry embarassment for english football in europe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thats why he has 4 European Trophies to his name?
>>
>>It only took 27 years;)
>
> Remember English teams were banned from Europe thanks to our friends
> in Liverpool, and after the ban it took awhile to get back on track.

Yeah, but Liverpool was the BIG team then, not ManU.

Btw, Ferguson won 2 Champion league cups in 27 years.

Many top managers have won more.

And he won his first league title after 6 years.

>
> I can name you a quite few managers that have been in the game as
> long as Ferguson that don't have as many European trophies are they
> all embarrassments for to their countries?

No, but did those managers spend as much as ManU? Who are they?

[Abubakr]

Oh come on, even if he had made 'proper' contact with the ball he would
have still studded the Newcastle player ferociously. There's no need for
semantic sophistry here, it was an overly aggressive play made with
excessive force that put his immediate opponent in danger of serious
injury. Automatic red card and multi game suspension would ensue in a just
system.

Instead, not even a foul was called and since the linesman said it was
fair enough afterwards, the disciplinary committee washed their hands off
it.

The FA seriously need their heads examined when they let this go but give
10 games for a girly bite.

[zeebjii]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:04:53 AM UTC+8, RED DEVIL wrote:
> On Tue, 14 May 2013 12:40:21 +1000, "Diabolik" <diab...@nospam.com>

> >It only took 27 years;)

> Remember English teams were banned from Europe thanks to our friends
>
> in Liverpool, and after the ban it took awhile to get back on track.

LOL so it's liverpool's fault again. Other that THAT final in 1999, fergusons euro teams will always be remembered for heavy thrashings cum footballing lessons by the elite euro teams of their eras.

Barca 1994
Real 2000, 2003
Milan 2007 (the kaka show)
Barca 2009, 2011


You tell me theses are a coincidence, or proofs of sir alex's incompetence in europe?

Most of his top signings over the years were only good enough to dominate domestic football.

I give you 2 of the most famous names:
Cantona and van persie.

Together with his tactical naivety, that is why he only won 2 european cups in 26 years.

I remind you again, mourinho won at his first attempt, so did benitez and RDM.

[zeebjii]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:04:53 AM UTC+8, RED DEVIL wrote:

> I can name you a quite few managers that have been in the game as
>
> long as Ferguson that don't have as many European trophies are they
>
> all embarrassments for to their countries?

Please name them. I am curious which other club/s had the resources to match the richest and biggest club the the world.

[zeebjii]

Correction: benitez's first attempt at liverpool

[Diabolik]

"zeebjii" <zee...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:04:53 AM UTC+8, RED DEVIL wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 May 2013 12:40:21 +1000, "Diabolik" <diab...@nospam.com>
>
>> >It only took 27 years;)
>
>> Remember English teams were banned from Europe thanks to our friends
>>
>> in Liverpool, and after the ban it took awhile to get back on track.
>
> LOL so it's liverpool's fault again. Other that THAT final in 1999,
> fergusons euro teams will always be remembered for heavy thrashings cum
> footballing lessons by the elite euro teams of their eras.
>
> Barca 1994
> Real 2000, 2003
> Milan 2007 (the kaka show)
> Barca 2009, 2011
>
>
> You tell me theses are a coincidence, or proofs of sir alex's incompetence
> in europe?

I would say the later. And this isn't a long timer ago, ManU got thrashed by
Milan in 2007.

>
> Most of his top signings over the years were only good enough to dominate
> domestic football.
>
> I give you 2 of the most famous names:
> Cantona and van persie.
>
> Together with his tactical naivety, that is why he only won 2 european
> cups in 26 years.

Agreed, he made some basic tactical blunders in the years I watched him,
like:
- playing Rooney way out of position, which was detrimental to the team.
- trying to play all out attacking football away from home in the CL, and
getting thrashed in the process.

Mourinho, Ancelotti or even Bentiez would have done better than him if they
were in charge of ManU for 27 years!

[Diabolik]

"Sven Mischkies" <hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net> wrote in message
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> zeebjii <zee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, but unlike your Euroflop Sir, an interim italian manager can win the
>>top european prize at his first attempt.
>>
>
>
> Like who? Di Matteo is Swiss, and used all the luck of his management
> career in those three games.

He's Italian, with Italian nationality, and he played for Italy. Doesn't
matter that he was born in Switzerland.

[Sven Mischkies]

Hmmm. He's a curious case. His family moved to Switzerland and he grew
up there, but wikipedia says he never became a Swiss citizen, though
some newspaper articles say he's got both Swiss and Italian
citizenships. I guess I go with wikipedia there and say you're right and
I'm wrong. ;)

Impressed by his 6 languages, esp. if this doesn't count Schwyzerd�tsch.

[Sven Mischkies]

Diabolik <diab...@nospam.com> wrote:

> Mourinho, Ancelotti or even Bentiez would have done better than him if they
> were in charge of ManU for 27 years!

Neither of which of course would have what it takes to stay for 27
years, especially not the Egotistic One.

[Diabolik]

"Sven Mischkies" <hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net> wrote in message

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> Diabolik <diab...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Mourinho, Ancelotti or even Bentiez would have done better than him if
>> they
>> were in charge of ManU for 27 years!
>
>
> Neither of which of course would have what it takes to stay for 27
> years, especially not the Egotistic One.

Maybe, but these days it would be the club that fires you first!;)

[Diabolik]

"Sven Mischkies" <hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net> wrote in message

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> Diabolik <diab...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> "Sven Mischkies" <hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net> wrote in message
>> news:1l2sxgy.1k4v1hk1hw5810N%hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net...
>> > zeebjii <zee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, but unlike your Euroflop Sir, an interim italian manager can win
>> >> the
>> >>top european prize at his first attempt.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Like who? Di Matteo is Swiss, and used all the luck of his management
>> > career in those three games.
>>
>> He's Italian, with Italian nationality, and he played for Italy. Doesn't
>> matter that he was born in Switzerland.
>
>
> Hmmm. He's a curious case. His family moved to Switzerland and he grew
> up there, but wikipedia says he never became a Swiss citizen, though
> some newspaper articles say he's got both Swiss and Italian
> citizenships.

I think he would have both too, but considering he chose to play for Italy,
I'm thinking he's more Italian.

> I guess I go with wikipedia there and say you're right and
> I'm wrong. ;)

It's not about right or wrong:)

> Impressed by his 6 languages, esp. if this doesn't count Schwyzerd�tsch.

Everyone in Switzerland speaks at least 4 languages, so 2 more isn't too
much more;)

[RED DEVIL]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 13:21:00 +1000, "Diabolik" <diab...@nospam.com>

Show me this extensive list of managers who have won more than two CL
league trophies

[RED DEVIL]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 13:19:26 +1000, "Diabolik" <diab...@nospam.com>

The whole time Ferguson was there he spent around 12 million net. City
spent half a billion in two seasons.

>
>> And now he's got the sack
>
>Yeah, he got the sack for coming 2nd and reaching the Fa Cup final. It makes
>a lot of sense;)
>
>Here's the next Chelsea.

Shit owners that think they understand football

[mehdi]

On 14/05/2013 12:57, Sven Mischkies wrote:

> Neither of which of course would have what it takes to stay for 27
> years, especially not the Egotistic One.
>
>
> Ciao,
> SM

Have what it takes? Taggart took the safe option, same league, same
club, same language. Achieving success in a different footballing
culture is more impressive than longevity.

[Sven Mischkies]

mehdi <me...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:

> On 14/05/2013 12:57, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> > Neither of which of course would have what it takes to stay for 27
> > years, especially not the Egotistic One.
> >
> >
> > Ciao,
> > SM
>
> Have what it takes? Taggart took the safe option, same league, same
> club, same language. Achieving success in a different footballing
> culture is more impressive than longevity.

Ancelotti couldn't build a second team and was let go by his home club.
Mourinho never even tried to build a second team, and was let go by
Chelski.
Benitez was let go several times.
Ferguson reinvented the wheel 5 or 6 times and always stayed successful.

It's much, much more difficult to rebuild a team without falling back
and being sacked than to go to another country, blag some nonsense about
being the 'Special One' and bully your way to a title or two.

So, IMHO it's the opposite: Longevity >> working in a foreign country.

[Futbolmetrix]

On 5/14/2013 12:36 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> So, IMHO it's the opposite: Longevity >> working in a foreign country.

being successful in more than one country is certainly worth something,
but quite a few coaches have been able to win championships in multiple
leagues (Mourinho and Trapattoni in 4, Ancelotti in 3).

Staying at one of the top clubs in the world for 25 years, rebuilding
several title-winning teams, and earning a great Benny-nickname.. that's
truly something special.

I tip my hat to Taggart.

D

[mehdi]

I can't take credit for that. I read it somewhere and ran with it.

[Google Beta User]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:36:11 PM UTC-4, Sven Mischkies wrote:

> It's much, much more difficult to rebuild a team without falling back
>
> and being sacked than to go to another country,

Not just another country, but the top team or two in the other country, and the biggest spenders in the other country like Mourinho did three times (not saying he is a bad coach mind you).

When Ferguson passed Mourinho after Abramovich's Chelsea came onto the scene is the most impressive club coaching thing I've seen.

Ferguson has had to rebuild and rebuild again, repeatedly losing key star players and things keep ticking.

And people keep forgetting Aberdeen. Different times yeah, but actually is the fact that it was different times something taht should be held against him or something that actually supports the case that he's the best manager?

[RED DEVIL]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 19:59:19 +0100, mehdi <me...@soccer-europe.com>
wrote:

>
>I can't take credit for that. I read it somewhere and ran with it.

The story of your life init

[mehdi]

On 14/05/2013 20:20, Google Beta User wrote:

> Not just another country, but the top team or two in the other
country, and the biggest spenders in the other country like Mourinho did
three times (not saying he is a bad coach mind you).

What Mourinho did with Porto is far more impressive than anything
Taggart did with Aberdeen or Man United.

> When Ferguson passed Mourinho after Abramovich's Chelsea came onto
> the
scene is the most impressive club coaching thing I've seen.

He passed them because when Mourinho wanted defensive reinforcements he
was turned down. The Man United board wouldn't veto a move for a �6
million player. That's what leads to Mourinho's downfall at Chelsea.

> Ferguson has had to rebuild and rebuild again, repeatedly losing key star players and things keep ticking.

He rebuilds because he's been around for 26 years at the same club.
Other clubs start from scratch with a new coach not just new players.
Other coaches get bored and lose interest, Taggart doesn't.

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Monday, May 13, 2013 7:54:30 PM UTC-7, RED DEVIL wrote:

> This is what happens after you spend 500 million to win a couple of
> cups

Both took place. The saddest part is that it has to be embarrassing to lose a Cup final to a side going down - first time in the history of the FA Cup.

Mike

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:19:26 PM UTC-7, Diabolik wrote:

> Yeah, he got the sack for coming 2nd and reaching the Fa Cup final. It makes
> a lot of sense;)

I actually liked the Yahoo soccer blog writing their own statement on his exit, including the loss to Wigan ("let me say that again, Wigan" "WIGAN!!"), being 13 points behind as defenders, and just how unacceptable all that is.

Pretty damn true, don'tcha think?

Mike

[The Doctor]

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