RSS Coach of the year ?
MH
people think has been the top coach of 2009 (Jan-december=).
Here are some of my suggestions:
1. Laurent Blanc. Took a Bordeaux side with good talent but limited
depth to a league title and first place in a tough CL group. Also beat
Lyon in Lyon this weekend to establish a nice lead in this year's
championship as well.
2. Felix Magath. Won a BL title with unfashionable Wolfsburg, and is
now in second place with a very modest Schalke side, in spite of debt
problems crippling his ability to sign players.
3. Jupp Heynckes. Rescued Bayern from Klinsmann's folly and got them
into the CL. Then moved to Bayer Leverkusen , who are currently top of
the BL.
4. Pep Guardiola. Had a very talented squad at his disposal, but was
impressive in how quickly he overcame the factions/other problems Barca
had the previous two years. Won nearly everything in site, and has a
chance to add the World Club title this week.
From the English league, Moyes and O'Neill would seem the most
deserving, but I don't think they compare favourably with the above.
Alkamista
I vote for Blanc. I was thinking about how impressive Bordeaux has
been just the other day.
As for Pep, he built a great side but I have a few caveats: 1) La Liga
has been a 2-horse race for a few years now, and RM were a team in
disarray last year, so winning the title with Barca was no incredible
feat. 2) They got to the UCL final under very acrimonious
circumstances. 3) Mickey Mouse cups dont count (assuming they win it).
I dont know much at all about the Bundesliga so I'll refrain from
commenting on the other two, but O'Neill deserves an honorable mention
for squeezing a lot out of very little.
Matthias Mühlich
> We have had votes for player of the year in the past, but I wonder who
> people think has been the top coach of 2009 (Jan-december=).
Good idea.
I agree with your nominations and vote for Felix Magath (although I
neither like(d) his success at Wolfsburg nor Schalke).
Enzo
1. Dunga. Makes people eat their words, every time. He has taken
Brasil
so far clear of the pack that it is a formality in 2010. And this
without players like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho.
2. Manolo Jiménez. For 2 years now, has a 60% win rate with Sevilla
( same as Jose Moron-Ho at Inter ) and has continued the good work
of Juande Ramos at a time Sevilla could have collapsed. One of
those
rare "franchise" coaches.
3. Marcelo Bielsa. Guided Chile comfortably thru the CONMEBOL
qualifiers
like only he can, as Argentine fans will remember.
Abubakr
It has to be Guardiola. Talented squad for sure but a talented squad
in decline when he started the job, he has problably taken their
football to even higher heights than Rijkaard's team at its peak, and
all in the first year. That and the fact that he finished top of a
group of four champions in good form in what turned out to be the
toughest group of all in the CL.
Abubakr
You like to tempt fate, don't you? I'm beginning to think you might be
an Argie in disguise.
Jordi
> As for Pep, he built a great side but I have a few caveats: 1) La Liga
> has been a 2-horse race for a few years now, and RM were a team in
> disarray last year, so winning the title with Barca was no incredible
> feat.
They won the title with record figures for:
1st round points: 50
Total points: 87
Away goals scored: 44
Goal average: +70
Total goals scored: 105
Plus UCL, Cup, etc. etc. all with a newly appointed manager that
offloaded the spine of the Rijkaard team: Ronaldinho and Deco.
> 2) They got to the UCL final under very acrimonious
> circumstances.
Everyone seems to conveniently forget how Chelsea got a free pass on
the 1st leg.
Enzo
Highly dubious penalty call.
http://www.marca.com/marcador/futbol/2009_10/primera/jornada_14/bar_esp/
Clément
> On Dec 15, 1:10 pm, Enzo wrote:
>
>
> > 1. Dunga. Makes people eat their words, every time. He has taken
> > Brasil
> > so far clear of the pack that it is a formality in 2010. And this
> > without players like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho.
>
> You like to tempt fate, don't you? I'm beginning to think you might be
> an Argie in disguise.
What disguise?? =)
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
Abubakr
> > 2) They got to the UCL final under very acrimonious
> > circumstances.
>
> Everyone seems to conveniently forget how Chelsea got a free pass on
> the 1st leg.
Not everyone. Just the masochistic lot who preferred to see Chelsea in
the final. They also seem to have wet dreams about EPL football.
Abubakr
I'll give answering that question a wide berth this time...
Enzo
Not masochistic. People who like to see justice done.
How long you been following the liga anyway?
Alkamista
Rather ignorant last statement, in classic RSS troll flavor. And I'm
sure you'll fail to see the irony here.
milivella
> We have had votes for player of the year in the past, but I wonder who
> people think has been the top coach of 2009 (Jan-december=).
Nice idea.
Unfortunately, I'm not competent enough to vote. But I can agree with
you: no Serie A coach deserves to be named.
--
Cheers
milivella
Abubakr
By conveniently forgetting how Chelsea got a free pass on the first
leg?
> How long you been following the liga anyway?
What does it matter? But if you must know it's coming up on 20 years
by now...
Abubakr
Ignorant? It's a statement of fact. The football in the EPL in the
last couple of seasons has been dire. I don't even bother anymore
after giving up on so many games at the half hour mark.
Enzo
> On 16 Dec, 03:40, Enzo <s_debgu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 15, 12:26 pm, Abubakr <deltara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 15 Dec, 20:24, Jordi <jordi....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > 2) They got to the UCL final under very acrimonious
> > > > > circumstances.
>
> > > > Everyone seems to conveniently forget how Chelsea got a free pass on
> > > > the 1st leg.
>
> > > Not everyone. Just the masochistic lot who preferred to see Chelsea in
> > > the final. They also seem to have wet dreams about EPL football.
>
> > Not masochistic. People who like to see justice done.
>
> By conveniently forgetting how Chelsea got a free pass on the first
> leg?
>
Free pass? How? What is this new revisionism? Previously, it was
"none of the calls were penalties". Now that that is no longer
working,
it is free pass in the 1st leg. Its time to call that one.
> > How long you been following the liga anyway?
>
> What does it matter? But if you must know it's coming up on 20 years
> by now...
Because you seem to have this romantic notion of Barcelona which
anyone who follows the liga regularly ( except rabid Barca fans )
knows not to be true. They consistently get calls in their favor
against lesser teams. During the Rijkaard years, it had become
a bit of a running joke.
Abubakr
> On Dec 15, 11:02 pm, Abubakr <deltara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 16 Dec, 03:40, Enzo <s_debgu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 15, 12:26 pm, Abubakr <deltara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 15 Dec, 20:24, Jordi <jordi....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > 2) They got to the UCL final under very acrimonious
> > > > > > circumstances.
>
> > > > > Everyone seems to conveniently forget how Chelsea got a free pass on
> > > > > the 1st leg.
>
> > > > Not everyone. Just the masochistic lot who preferred to see Chelsea in
> > > > the final. They also seem to have wet dreams about EPL football.
>
> > > Not masochistic. People who like to see justice done.
>
> > By conveniently forgetting how Chelsea got a free pass on the first
> > leg?
>
> Free pass? How? What is this new revisionism? Previously, it was
> "none of the calls were penalties". Now that that is no longer
> working,
> it is free pass in the 1st leg. Its time to call that one.
Who said anything about penalties? The referee let the Chelsea players
foul indiscriminately in the first leg, allow them to break up
Barcelona's play. Ballack at least should have been given his marching
orders and thus we would have been spared his rather manic
impersonation of Tardelli at Stamford Bridge.
> > > How long you been following the liga anyway?
>
> > What does it matter? But if you must know it's coming up on 20 years
> > by now...
>
> Because you seem to have this romantic notion of Barcelona which
> anyone who follows the liga regularly ( except rabid Barca fans )
> knows not to be true. They consistently get calls in their favor
> against lesser teams. During the Rijkaard years, it had become
> a bit of a running joke.
The big teams in the league getting calls against the smaller teams in
the league, shit I've never heard or seen that one before. Must be
only in Spain.
Jordi
>
I don't think Marca showed this pic:
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7619/penalty.jpg
But following your line of reasoning RM-Almería:
Dubious penalty call, first missed by Ronaldo then scored by Benzema
who was already in the box. Should have been disallowed.
Do you want some for Chelsea, ManU or Arsenal? There're tons of them,
too.
Enzo
> On 15 dic, 10:57, Enzo <s_debgu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 15, 9:24 am, Jordi <jordi....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 14 dic, 22:20, Alkamista <alkami...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > As for Pep, he built a great side but I have a few caveats: 1) La Liga
> > > > has been a 2-horse race for a few years now, and RM were a team in
> > > > disarray last year, so winning the title with Barca was no incredible
> > > > feat.
>
> > > They won the title with record figures for:
> > > 1st round points: 50
> > > Total points: 87
> > > Away goals scored: 44
> > > Goal average: +70
> > > Total goals scored: 105
>
> > > Plus UCL, Cup, etc. etc. all with a newly appointed manager that
> > > offloaded the spine of the Rijkaard team: Ronaldinho and Deco.
>
> > > > 2) They got to the UCL final under very acrimonious
> > > > circumstances.
>
> > > Everyone seems to conveniently forget how Chelsea got a free pass on
> > > the 1st leg.
>
> > Highly dubious penalty call.
>
Unclear.
>
> But following your line of reasoning RM-Almería:
>
> Dubious penalty call, first missed by Ronaldo then scored by Benzema
> who was already in the box. Should have been disallowed.
>
Yes. I dont support Real Madrid.
> Do you want some for Chelsea, ManU or Arsenal? There're tons of them,
> too
Who cares?
JGN
> 3. Marcelo Bielsa. Guided Chile comfortably thru the CONMEBOL
> qualifiers like only he can, as Argentine fans will remember.
DISCLAIMER: I am chilean, and am, much as I would strive not to,
probably biased.
Don't know if it's "Coach of the Year" material, but it warrants at
least an honorable mention: Chile, qualifying second in the Conmebol,
ahead of Paraguay and Argentina, only 1 point behind Brasil? And had a
shot at 1st? You'd have gotten laughed out of the room at the start of
the qualifiers.
During 09, the Chilean squad lost only one match - against Brasil in
Salvador de Bahia, in a very tight match (was tied 2-2 until the 73rd
minute, then a couple of defensive errors that you simply can't make
against Brasil and that was it... 4-2). The only oddity in Bielsa's
2009 record of 5-2-1 is that the two ties where at home.
MH
A good suggestion. However, given Paraguays decline after a strong
start, and Argentina's dire circumstances, Dunga's achievement in
topping qualifying with the talent at his disposal has to be put in
context. I guess it depends how much weight you put on the confed cup.
>
> 2. Manolo Jim�nez. For 2 years now, has a 60% win rate with Sevilla
> ( same as Jose Moron-Ho at Inter ) and has continued the good work
> of Juande Ramos at a time Sevilla could have collapsed. One of
> those
> rare "franchise" coaches.
Has done an excellent job but still didn't win anything in 2009/
>
> 3. Marcelo Bielsa. Guided Chile comfortably thru the CONMEBOL
> qualifiers
> like only he can, as Argentine fans will remember.
Also a great suggestion.
Clément
> On Dec 14, 11:10 pm, Enzo wrote:
>
> > 3. Marcelo Bielsa. Guided Chile comfortably thru the CONMEBOL
> > qualifiers like only he can, as Argentine fans will remember.
>
> DISCLAIMER: I am chilean, and am, much as I would strive not to,
> probably biased.
>
> Don't know if it's "Coach of the Year" material, but it warrants at
> least an honorable mention: Chile, qualifying second in the Conmebol,
> ahead of Paraguay and Argentina, only 1 point behind Brasil? And had a
> shot at 1st?
And playing attractive football, while at that.
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
Jordi
>
> > Do you want some for Chelsea, ManU or Arsenal? There're tons of them,
> > too
>
> Who cares?-
Exactly my point. Or is barça any different?
Binder Dundat
After yesterday my vote goes to Mick Mcarthy
Enzo
Yes they are. Everyone seems to think they have a divine right to win.
Jordi
Last year they just played better and more beautifully than anyone
else. Nothing divine about it.
And they did it with a remarkable amount of players from their own
youth team and their own brand of football that they have also
transmitted to the Spanish NT, which them to win their only
significant title in decades (much to the chagrin of hardcore
raulistas).
That's why they won everything and had the likes of Messi, Xavi,
Iniesta, etc. bagging personal awards.
Mark
> We have had votes for player of the year in the past, but I wonder who
> people think has been the top coach of 2009 (Jan-december=).
>
> Here are some of my suggestions:
>
> 1. Laurent Blanc. Took a Bordeaux side with good talent but limited
> depth to a league title and first place in a tough CL group. Also beat
> Lyon in Lyon this weekend to establish a nice lead in this year's
> championship as well.
>
> 2. Felix Magath. Won a BL title with unfashionable Wolfsburg, and is
> now in second place with a very modest Schalke side, in spite of debt
> problems crippling his ability to sign players.
>
> 3. Jupp Heynckes. Rescued Bayern from Klinsmann's folly and got them
> into the CL. Then moved to Bayer Leverkusen , who are currently top of
> the BL.
>
> 4. Pep Guardiola. Had a very talented squad at his disposal, but was
> impressive in how quickly he overcame the factions/other problems Barca
> had the previous two years. Won nearly everything in site, and has a
> chance to add the World Club title this week.
>
> From the English league, Moyes and O'Neill would seem the most
> deserving, but I don't think they compare favourably with the above.
I think Julio Falcioni is a strong candidate. He's doing really well
again with Banfield, who had never won the Argentinian League before.
Enzo
>
> - Show quoted text -
The Argentine league, I am really sorry to say, is a mickey-mouse
affair at this point. I had considered him too but with Boca and
River in total disarray, it was almost a crapshoot.
Enzo
> On 17 dic, 02:50, Enzo <s_debgu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 16, 7:10 pm, Jordi <jordi....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 16 dic, 17:07, Enzo <s_debgu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Do you want some for Chelsea, ManU or Arsenal? There're tons of them,
> > > > > too
>
> > > > Who cares?-
>
> > > Exactly my point. Or is barça any different?
>
> > Yes they are. Everyone seems to think they have a divine right to win.
>
> Last year they just played better and more beautifully than anyone
> else. Nothing divine about it.
>
I didnt mean their playing style. I meant the vibes from the Euro-
brass
( with Platini leading the chorus ) that there was no need to
actually decide the European champion on the field of play.
> And they did it with a remarkable amount of players from their own
> youth team and their own brand of football that they have also
> transmitted to the Spanish NT, which them to win their only
> significant title in decades (much to the chagrin of hardcore
> raulistas).
>
The Spanish NT does not play 4-3-3. And 2 Valencia players and
1 from Villarreal & Liverpool had the biggest impact.
Jordi
>
> > Last year they just played better and more beautifully than anyone
> > else. Nothing divine about it.
>
> I didnt mean their playing style. I meant the vibes from the Euro-
> brass
> ( with Platini leading the chorus ) that there was no need to
> actually decide the European champion on the field of play.
Really? I did not get this impression at all on the days leading to
the UCL final. I'd like quotes if you have them.
> > And they did it with a remarkable amount of players from their own
> > youth team and their own brand of football that they have also
> > transmitted to the Spanish NT, which them to win their only
> > significant title in decades (much to the chagrin of hardcore
> > raulistas).
>
> The Spanish NT does not play 4-3-3. And 2 Valencia players and
> 1 from Villarreal & Liverpool had the biggest impact.
Barça style can be played on a 5-4-1 if you want to. It's not a matter
of how many players you put on each line but the the philosophy of
ball control, quick passes and wit over muscle.
It's not the players either, although Barça provides the backbone of
playmakers.
Enzo
> On 17 dic, 14:05, Enzo <s_debgu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > Last year they just played better and more beautifully than anyone
> > > else. Nothing divine about it.
>
> > I didnt mean their playing style. I meant the vibes from the Euro-
> > brass
> > ( with Platini leading the chorus ) that there was no need to
> > actually decide the European champion on the field of play.
>
> Really? I did not get this impression at all on the days leading to
> the UCL final. I'd like quotes if you have them.
It is difficult to go back and search for quotes, because the
guy mouths off too much anyway. I read about 10 football
articles every day and cannot remember where I read something.
Here is one -
http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2009/05/20/1275500/platini-lauds-barcelonas-football-philosophy
This was before the final. And he is the president of the organization
arranging the tournament. It is wrong.
>
> > > And they did it with a remarkable amount of players from their own
> > > youth team and their own brand of football that they have also
> > > transmitted to the Spanish NT, which them to win their only
> > > significant title in decades (much to the chagrin of hardcore
> > > raulistas).
>
> > The Spanish NT does not play 4-3-3. And 2 Valencia players and
> > 1 from Villarreal & Liverpool had the biggest impact.
>
> Barça style can be played on a 5-4-1 if you want to. It's not a matter
> of how many players you put on each line but the the philosophy of
> ball control, quick passes and wit over muscle.
>
Disagree. The Spanish NT under Aragnones played a much different
style to Barca. Players like Silva, Senna, Villa and Torres do
not fit the Barca style.
> It's not the players either, although Barça provides the backbone of
> playmakers.
Xavi & Iniesta. Thats 2 out of 4, and none in attack.
Mark
> On Dec 17, 10:29 am, Mark <Pammieshe...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 14, 8:38 pm, MH <nos...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>
> > > We have had votes for player of the year in the past, but I wonder who
> > > people think has been the top coach of 2009 (Jan-december=).
>
> > > Here are some of my suggestions:
>
> > > 1. Laurent Blanc. Took a Bordeaux side with good talent but limited
> > > depth to a league title and first place in a tough CL group. Also beat
> > > Lyon in Lyon this weekend to establish a nice lead in this year's
> > > championship as well.
>
> > > 2. Felix Magath. Won a BL title with unfashionable Wolfsburg, and is
> > > now in second place with a very modest Schalke side, in spite of debt
> > > problems crippling his ability to sign players.
>
> > > 3. Jupp Heynckes. Rescued Bayern from Klinsmann's folly and got them
> > > into the CL. Then moved to Bayer Leverkusen , who are currently top of
> > > the BL.
>
> > > 4. Pep Guardiola. Had a very talented squad at his disposal, but was
> > > impressive in how quickly he overcame the factions/other problems Barca
> > > had the previous two years. Won nearly everything in site, and has a
> > > chance to add the World Club title this week.
>
> > > From the English league, Moyes and O'Neill would seem the most
> > > deserving, but I don't think they compare favourably with the above.
>
> > I think Julio Falcioni is a strong candidate. He's doing really well
> > again with Banfield, who had never won the Argentinian League before.
>
> >
>
> affair at this point. I had considered him too but with Boca and
>
Doesn't the fact that Boca and River having a bad year or 2 means all
those other teams overtake them show what a strong league Argentina
have got? Can you imagine Barca and Real Madrid, even in a bad year,
both ending so low in the Spanish League? Haven't Banfield, Newell's
Old Boys, Velez Sarsfield etc demonstrated the strength in depth of
the Argentinian League? And of course, the current champions of South
America (and who knows?, maybe even World Champions by the time you
read this) are from Argentina. (And about 7 teams were good enough to
end above them in the Argentinian League.)
Benny
> From : s_deb...@yahoo.com
> It is difficult to go back and search for quotes, because the
> guy mouths off too much anyway. I read about 10 football
> articles every day and cannot remember where I read something.
> Here is one -
>
>
http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2009/05/20/1275500/platini-lauds-barcelonas-football-philosophy
>
> This was before the final. And he is the president of the organization
> arranging the tournament. It is wrong.
He praised Milan for their football as well and there was equally
nothing wrong with that. As Champions League and La Liga top scorers
Barca can legitimately lay claim to being the best footballing side in
the World. Teams that play the type of football Barcelona play SHOULD be
hailed and applauded. Your tiresome defence of a Chelsea team that
parked the bus against Barcelona in Spain, under a coach who already
Catenaccioed his way to a European Cup two decades ago, against a coach
who tried to do same thing against Italy at the last World Cup, despite
being a MAN UP, is laughable.
And coach of the year of course has to be Guardiola. To even suggest
there is a better candidate is ridiculous. Guardiola has won EVERYTHING
there is to win in his first season as a coach. That is unprecedented.
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Enzo
>
> > It is difficult to go back and search for quotes, because the
> > guy mouths off too much anyway. I read about 10 football
> > articles every day and cannot remember where I read something.
> > Here is one -
> >
> >
> > This was before the final. And he is the president of the organization
> > arranging the tournament. It is wrong.
>
> He praised Milan for their football as well and there was equally
> nothing wrong with that. As Champions League and La Liga top scorers
> Barca can legitimately lay claim to being the best footballing side in
> the World. Teams that play the type of football Barcelona play SHOULD be
> hailed and applauded. Your tiresome defence of a Chelsea team that
> parked the bus against Barcelona in Spain, under a coach who already
> Catenaccioed his way to a European Cup two decades ago, against a coach
> who tried to do same thing against Italy at the last World Cup, despite
> being a MAN UP, is laughable.
There is nothing wrong with praising or liking a team. But if you
are president of UEFA, you will keep your thoughts to yourself
*before* the final match. But of course, everyone knows Platini
made it very clear that he did not want to see another all-EPL
final even before that match at Stamford Bridge.
>
> And coach of the year of course has to be Guardiola. To even suggest
> there is a better candidate is ridiculous. Guardiola has won EVERYTHING
> there is to win in his first season as a coach. That is unprecedented.
>
A dodgy win in the CL and a liga title. Others have done it too.
Now, after the Club World Cup win, I will give it to him.
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Mark
> We have had votes for player of the year in the past, but I wonder who
> people think has been the top coach of 2009 (Jan-december=).
>
Well I think it's been 'decided' now.
League, Cup, European Champions Cup, European Super Cup, and World
Club Championship. You can't really argue against Pep Guardiola now!
Enzo
>
> - Show quoted text -
A coach's true quality is only judged by winning against good teams,
the last quality winner of the Primera division was Estudiantes
under Simeone.
Bruce D. Scott
: Well I think it's been 'decided' now.
: League, Cup, European Champions Cup, European Super Cup, and World
: Club Championship. You can't really argue against Pep Guardiola now!
I have to agree... BTW what's the sixth championship everyone says they
won? Forget the triples, these guys won a sextuple, and Pedro scored in
all six of them.
--
ciao,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
ken.o...@gmail.com
wrote:
> Mark (Pammieshe...@yahoo.co.uk) wrote:
>
> : Well I think it's been 'decided' now.
> : League, Cup, European Champions Cup, European Super Cup, and World
> : Club Championship. You can't really argue against PepGuardiolanow!
>
> I have to agree... BTW what's the sixth championship everyone says they
> won?
Just noticed this, you're probably forgetting the 'Spanish Super
Cup' (or maybe Spanish 'Super' Cup). But just for completeness:
Club World Cup
European Super Cup
Spanish Super Cup
European Cup
Spanish League
Spanish Cup
But the actual reason I'm revisiting this thread is that I noticed
that nobody here in rec.sport.EPLLAND commented on Guardiola signing
an extension at Barca .... for just *one* year. Feels like he's
keeping his options open for some other coveted job, but I'm trying to
figure out who it is. I can't imagine him ever going to Real, so
where?