Jewish Footballers
DAVID HAWKES
England's 1966 World Cup winning team was named Cohen. Though he didn't say
so, I suspect the reason for his skepticism was that he found the idea of a
Jewish soccer star implausible. Can anyone recall any others?
Sandy Canetti
on 10 Sep 1994 15:21:04 -0400,
I would assume many of the players in the Israeli League are Jewish. And in
England, there is an Israeli International named Ronnie Rosenthal. Tell your
friend Jews do a lot of things other people do. Then if you really want to
shock him, you might tell him that Jews are people too. Your friend needs to
join the 90s.
Oh, and tell you friend I know a few Steins and Cohens and Goldbergs that
aren't Jewish, just like I know a guy named Canetti who is. Funny how things
aren't always what they appear to be.
Sandy Canetti <can...@vnet.ibm.com>
rauli susmel
in a small team, and then he played for Independiente, with the great
Bochini. Then, he was transfered to Mexico (America?). He left after the
earthquake in Mexico D.F. And then he went to Israel, where he was very
succesful. A very smart player.
cheers,
rauli
VINCENT B HO
: In a recent argument, a friend of mine refused to believe that one member of
: England's 1966 World Cup winning team was named Cohen. Though he didn't say
: so, I suspect the reason for his skepticism was that he found the idea of a
: Jewish soccer star implausible. Can anyone recall any others?
because of ownership or players.(This was probably pre WWII times)
In fact, when Aaron Winter began his career in Italy and the racist
abuse there was at the zenith (that was a few years ago), he was called
of all names, a jew...(I don't know if he is jewish or not, but the
point is shouting anti-semitic name against players
is not a class thing to do).
Cheers
V
Bjorn Fridgeir Bjornsson
Just to educate the unknowing, Ray Cohen was apparantly one
of the best full-backs in the world at that time. When he quit
football, he went into his (father's | father-in-law's) undertaking
business, which made him a certainty to appear in any list of
footballing where-are-they-now.
Bjorn
Daniel Alexander Windler
only a few specifically come to mind. Others have names that may or may
not be Jewish, so I'm not sure of them. Among the best were Brailovski
who played in Independiente in the 1970 (with Bertoni and Bochini). A
very good player, he was never called to the national team, and there
were rumors of anti-semitism (against these allegations, one must grant
the fact that the Argentine national team was pretty well stocked in the
late 1970s). Others include Hector Cuper, a great central defender for
Ferro, and among the less great Abramovich who, although not incredible,
was the starting number 3 for Boca (Argentina's most popular team) for a
few years in the 1980s. Another that comes to mind is Krasouski, who
also played in Boca and then in Israel. There are others who have names
that may or not be Jewish, but I'm more than unsure about: Dario Siviski
(San Lorenzo and briefly for Bilardo's national team) and Juan Simon
(played in france, Boca, and one of the only bright lights for Argentina
in Italia '90).
Of course, the most famous Argentine Jew in the US (at least as
far as football is concerned) is Andres Cantor, the commentator for
Univision. Also, a cousin of my grandmother's was a back-up No. 2 for
River Plate in the 1950s.
Daniel Windler
John Maxwell
Avi Cohen played for Liverpool and Israel in the '80's.
Steve Rapport
I think ex-Tott Mark Lazarus was (and probably still is) Jewish
Steve Rapport
Fortune's always hiding...
George Lennan
: In a recent argument, a friend of mine refused to believe that one member of
: England's 1966 World Cup winning team was named Cohen. Though he didn't say
: so, I suspect the reason for his skepticism was that he found the idea of a
: Jewish soccer star implausible. Can anyone recall any others?
I don't suppose being called Cohen necessarily makes you Jewish. George
Cohen, left half for England in 1966 is now a funeral director, not as
far as I know a kosher one!
How about Ronnie Rosenthal of Spurs and Israel.
George
George Lennan
Actually, now I think about it, he might not be a funeral director any
more because I think he's dead.
George
Marcelo Weinberger
dwin...@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Daniel Alexander Windler) writes:
|> In Argentina, there have been many Jewish footballers, although
|> only a few specifically come to mind. Others have names that may or
|> may not be Jewish, so I'm not sure of them. Among the best were
|> Brailovski who played in Independiente in the 1970 (with Bertoni and
|> Bochini). A very good player, he was never called to the national
|> team, and there were rumors of anti-semitism (against these
|> allegations, one must grant the fact that the Argentine national team
|> was pretty well stocked in the late 1970s).
First, a small correction: Brailovski played for Independiente in the
early 80's; during the late seventies he played for Pen~arol (though not
many times in the first team, he was still very young and promising). He
started his career as a professional there, after playing for Hacoaj in
Buenos Aires. Moreover, he was about to naturalize Uruguayan, so he was
selected for the national team that played a youth tournament in Cannes.
About not being called for the Argentinean national team, are you sure
about that? I remember that in Israel he used to say that he had played
for three national teams: Uruguay, Argentina, and Israel.
|> Another that comes to mind is Krasouski, who also played in Boca and
|> then in Israel.
No, Krasowski (I suppose you refer to Boca's center-half in the early
eighties, in Maradona's team) is neither Argentinean nor Jewish. He is
Uruguayan and played in the national team in the Mundialito of 1980. He
is from Polish descent. And he never played in Israel.
--Marcelo
STEVE RAPPORT
>
>DAVID HAWKES (dh...@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU) wrote:
>: In a recent argument, a friend of mine refused to believe that one member of
>: England's 1966 World Cup winning team was named Cohen. Though he didn't say
>: so, I suspect the reason for his skepticism was that he found the idea of a
>: Jewish soccer star implausible. Can anyone recall any others?
>
I've been raciing my brains over this, but finally brought it up form the darkest
recesses of my brain.
West Ham once had an Israeli on their books, by the name of Mordecai Speigler.
Hmmm, sounds Jewish!
He's the only Jewish player I can ever remember at Upton Park.
Forever blowing bubbles,
STEVE RAPPORT
yeah, I know it doesn't *sound* Jewish....
Stephen Pratt
the other full back was Ray Wilson who went into his father's undertaking
business. In recent "where are they now" programmes about the 25th
anniversary of England winning the world cup, Ray Wilson was interviewed
- he had lost a leg.
As far as Jewish footballers are concerned - Mick Lazarus was Jewish -
and his son is, I believe, playing in English football at present. I
would say there are probably several Jewish players but the Jewishness,
or otherwise, of footballers is not commented on at all - not relevent.
There was quite a lot of comment about black footballers in the early
days but not much now - and where there is racism in the game it is more
about black/white players than about Jewish/gentile.
Steve
Rogelio Adobbati
>There are others who have names
>that may or not be Jewish, but I'm more than unsure about: Dario Siviski
I remember fans called him "el ruso", and that is usually the nickname for
jews, like "tano" is for italians, or "gallego" is for spanish, or "turco"
is for arabs... (it still might be that the fans were wrong about his
religion; e.g. Claudio Garcia is nicknamed "el turco", but he's not arab...
go figure).
Another (less skilled) "ruso" was Enrique Hrabina, who played no. 3 in Boca
Juniors for many years. If I remember correctly, he was in the Boca team
that won the Supercopa tournament several years ago. I still remember the
excitement of the crowd in La Bombonera, chanting "Ruso, ruso, ruso.... huevo,
huevo, huevo...". Sweet memories...
Regards,
-Rogelio
Bjorn Fridgeir Bjornsson
>West Ham once had an Israeli on their books, by the name of Mordecai Speigler.
>Hmmm, sounds Jewish!
>He's the only Jewish player I can ever remember at Upton Park.
Now, this one I know about, no "Ray Cohen" mistakes. I remember from
a book of the '70 WC that Spiegler (sp?) was the star of the Israeli
team in the '70 WC and spent a few weeks at an English club (West
Ham obviously) to get more experience. I don't know if he stayed
longer at West Ham
Bjorn
Bjorn Fridgeir Bjornsson
>> Just to educate the unknowing, Ray Cohen was apparantly one
>> of the best full-backs in the world at that time. When he quit
>> football, he went into his (father's | father-in-law's) undertaking
>> business, which made him a certainty to appear in any list of
>> footballing where-are-they-now.
>> Bjorn
Stephen Pratt wrote:
>Cohen did indeed play in England's World Cup team - he was full back -
>the other full back was Ray Wilson who went into his father's undertaking
>business. In recent "where are they now" programmes about the 25th
>anniversary of England winning the world cup, Ray Wilson was interviewed
>- he had lost a leg.
Oh s**t, this is what happens you haven't read your "Boys of '66"
for a couple of years, It was my favorite football book for a few
years. Obviously a "simple" full-back mixup on my part. Cohen
was of course George, and Ray Wilson was the other. But are you
sure that it was Wilson who went into the undertaking business?
At least one other poster said it was Cohen.
Bjorn
Daniel Alexander Windler
: In article <34utbe$k...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
Sorry about that... these recollections come from a time when I was
very, very young.
Saludos,
Daniel
Daniel Alexander Windler
: Regards,
: -Rogelio
I was going to add Hrabina to the list (although I wasn't sure).
One small correction, though... Hrabina wasn't a number 3, but a zaguero
central (although he may have played no. 3 as well). During the time
that Hrabina played, Abramovich was the no. 3, two russos in the same
defence! Pipa Higuain was on the team too before the fucking traitor
switched to River. I don't want to insult your memory (because I could
be wrong), but I don't think Hrabina was playing with Boca by the time
they won that Supercopa against Independiente. By then, I think the
centrales were already Simon and Marchesini (although one of them may
have been injured that day).
Again my memory could be faulting me again...
Daniel
STEVE RAPPORT
Yeah, it was Ray Wilson who went into the undertakers business, not George Cohen.
George Cohen became a famous songwriter, wrote "Over There", and had a Hollywood
film made about him, starring James Cagney, called Yanky Doodle Dandy ;)
Or maybe that was George Cohan.
Fortune's always hiding....
STEVE RAPPORT
Joe2103
Fridgeir Bjornsson) writes:
<<Now, this one I know about, no "Ray Cohen" mistakes. I remember from
a book of the '70 WC that Spiegler (sp?) was the star of the Israeli
team in the '70 WC and spent a few weeks at an English club (West
Ham obviously) to get more experience. I don't know if he stayed
longer at West Ham
Bjorn >>
I was avoiding posting on this thread, but this note did cause me to
recall perhaps ever so vaguely that not only was Mordechai Shpiegler one
of the stars of Israel's only World Cup finalist team, but I seem to
recall him scoring the goal in -- what was it? -- a 1-1 draw in the prelim
round against some powerful team, possibly eventual finalist Italy, which
as we all know too well likes to coast through first-round play. I seem to
recall this nugget belonging somehow with Italy's loss to North Korea in
'66, draw with Cameroon in '82, etc., etc.
Joe R
Rogelio Adobbati
:>
:> I was going to add Hrabina to the list (although I wasn't sure).
:>central (although he may have played no. 3 as well). During the time
:>that Hrabina played, Abramovich was the no. 3, two russos in the same
:>defence!
Pero entonces me curraron! Tuve un poster en el que Hrabina tenia el numero 3
y Abramovich el 4... Ya ni en el merchandising de Boca se puede confiar! :-)
:>Pipa Higuain was on the team too before the fucking traitor
:>switched to River. I don't want to insult your memory (because I could
:>be wrong), but I don't think Hrabina was playing with Boca by the time
:>they won that Supercopa against Independiente. By then, I think the
:>centrales were already Simon and Marchesini (although one of them may
:>have been injured that day).
:>
:>Again my memory could be faulting me again...
:>Daniel
Es mas probable que el equivocado sea yo, ya que no estaba en el pais cuando
se jugo la final...
Saludos,
-Rogelio
Nicholas Fisher
Andrew Medcalf
FourFourTwo or Matchday magazine.
Cheers,
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Medved Michael
: I've been raciing my brains over this, but finally brought it up form the darkest
: recesses of my brain.
: West Ham once had an Israeli on their books, by the name of Mordecai Speigler.
: Hmmm, sounds Jewish!
: He's the only Jewish player I can ever remember at Upton Park.
He was also the only Israeli player so far to score in WCs. It was at 1970.
Israel, staying on the last place, impressed by decent performance, drawing
with Italy (runners-up) 0-0, losing to Uruguay (4th place) 0-2 and making
draw with Sweden 1-1, eliminating them.
Giora Spiegel, who made then a goal pass, also played abroad, in France. He,
aged 47 by now, led the Israeli superpower, Maccabee Haifa, in ECWC '93
to wins over Torpedo Moscow and Parma. He remains our team's coach by now.
Also, Itzik Zohar plays now for Antwerp, and it seems like Eyal Berkovich
will sign at Feyenoord. The Israeli National team also paces securely. And
we all remember the wonderful last season of Tal Banin at Cannes.
Hope, it helps.
: Forever blowing bubbles,
: STEVE RAPPORT
: yeah, I know it doesn't *sound* Jewish....
MICHAEL MEDVED.