Suarez gone for 10 games

[The Scrutineer]

http://www.thefa.com/News/governance/2013/apr/luis-suarez-violent-conduct-charge-liverpool-chelsea-ivanovic-ten-matches.aspx

Fine player, but biting doesn't belong in football!!!

[The Scrutineer]

"The Scrutineer" wrote in message news:kl8osq$mke$1...@dont-email.me...

This is bad for fantasy... RVP is too expensive, Rooney is risky, no striker
at Arsenal these days which leaves...?

Bla...

[Google Beta User]

I recommend we (lfc) take the ban and move on.

[Alkamista]

On Apr 24, 10:09 am, "The Scrutineer" <vla...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> http://www.thefa.com/News/governance/2013/apr/luis-suarez-violent-con...

>
> Fine player, but biting doesn't belong in football!!!

How many games was Jermaine Defoe suspended for after biting
Mascherano?

[The Scrutineer]

"Google Beta User" wrote in message
news:2ff29796-ecd3-4b6a...@googlegroups.com...

> I recommend we (lfc) take the ban and move on.

The only embarrassment is that it happened, since then, Liverpool FC have
been fantastic in dealing with the matter, and to be fair, so has Suarez, it
wont be forgotten until his second game back... "Suarez is still serving a
suspension for biting"...

Then it might come up again when Chelsea face Liverpool to see whether they
shake hands... the usual stupidity surrounding these incidents!!!

Any tips on a striker for fantasy?

[The Scrutineer]

"Alkamista" wrote in message
news:2536148c-23bb-41ab...@j20g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...

Not sure, but suspensions can be inflated based on disciplinary record (I
think)... for instance, Sidwell will serve a four match ban as opposed to
Giroud, who will sit for three, for the same misdemeanour from the match
last week, as Sidwell was a repeat offender... so he gets an extra match?
I'm not sure if this is applied across all violent conduct charges!!!

But as always, if there is a standard set, anything following must be met
with a similar punishment... otherwise we have an issue!!!

[Alkamista]

On Apr 24, 10:33 am, "The Scrutineer" <vla...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> "Alkamista"  wrote in message
>
> news:2536148c-23bb-41ab...@j20g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Apr 24, 10:09 am, "The Scrutineer" <vla...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.thefa.com/News/governance/2013/apr/luis-suarez-violent-con...
>
> > Fine player, but biting doesn't belong in football!!!
>
> > How many games was Jermaine Defoe suspended for after biting
> > Mascherano?
>
> Not sure, but suspensions can be inflated based on disciplinary record (I
> think)...

Even if that is true, a suspension of 10 games vs. no suspension for
the same crime seems a little out of balance, no? Looks like the
pitchfork carrying witch-hunters from the village had to be placated,
otherwise they would have burned down the homes of the village elders.

[The Scrutineer]

"The Scrutineer" wrote in message news:kl8q95$ugr$1...@dont-email.me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzXBSvngRR0

If that's the one, it's worse than Suarez's... only a yellow, WTF?

Ok, I'm genuinely frustrated by inconsistencies, this is another slot in the
archives, I don't even remember Defoe being suspended...

[The Scrutineer]

"Alkamista" wrote in message
news:909352f3-f7a6-4c30...@t5g2000yql.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 24, 10:09 am, "The Scrutineer" <vla...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.thefa.com/News/governance/2013/apr/luis-suarez-violent-con...
>
> > Fine player, but biting doesn't belong in football!!!
>
> > How many games was Jermaine Defoe suspended for after biting
> > Mascherano?
>
> Not sure, but suspensions can be inflated based on disciplinary record (I
> think)...
>
> Even if that is true, a suspension of 10 games vs. no suspension for
> the same crime seems a little out of balance, no? Looks like the
> pitchfork carrying witch-hunters from the village had to be placated,
> otherwise they would have burned down the homes of the village elders.

Yes, completely agree, the only aspect I can think of is that the referee
dealt with it, and quite poorly...

He should have been suspended, maybe the FA couldn't suspend him because it
was dealt with on the pitch? Not sure... it sure stinks!!!

[Binder Dundat]

On Apr 24, 10:36 am, "The Scrutineer" <vla...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> "The Scrutineer"  wrote in messagenews:kl8q95$ugr$1...@dont-email.me...

>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzXBSvngRR0
>
> If that's the one, it's worse than Suarez's... only a yellow, WTF?
>
> Ok, I'm genuinely frustrated by inconsistencies, this is another slot in the
> archives, I don't even remember Defoe being suspended...

I dont think he was suspended. Oh and for a fantasy striker pick,
take Adebayor.

[The Scrutineer]

"Binder Dundat" wrote in message
news:83e1487c-1786-49bb...@t5g2000yql.googlegroups.com...

I don't think I can beat you, but I want to finish as close as possible to
2000... I need someone, not Adebayor... Defoe might actually be a decent
pick, which is kind of ironic now?

Podolski? He should play now that Flatfoot is suspended for slipping...

[The Scrutineer]

"The Scrutineer" wrote in message news:kl8osq$mke$1...@dont-email.me...

Liverpool seem pissed...

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/lfc-statement-on-luis-suarez-ban

Right ban, bad precedent with Defoe escaping free...

[Binder Dundat]

I was thinking Defoe and Podolski as well, but I dont think Defoe will
start games, the little Cyborg seems to like Adebayor. I will give
you one tip, you should pick a striker from a team that plays twice
next week. I was thinking a Chelsea striker? I hope RVP does not get
any more games, i dropped him weeks ago and dont want him back in my
team! But if he keeps scoring i will have to take him back?

[The Scrutineer]

"Binder Dundat" wrote in message

news:659e4a51-6d4c-49c8...@t5g2000yql.googlegroups.com...

You have the budget to manoeuvre around getting RVP...?

I got Defoe, I just watched a filler on Fox Sports, it was a classic match
when Spurs beat Wigan like 9-0 or 9-1... he scored like four I think...

I resisted Podolski, I jinx Arsenal players when I pick them!!!

[Binder Dundat]

It is kinda funny, but I think Per is probably one of the best picks
point per dollar from Arsenal? Yet i just cant get myself to pick him!

[MH]

On 13-04-24 8:11 AM, The Scrutineer wrote:
> "The Scrutineer" wrote in message news:kl8osq$mke$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> This is bad for fantasy... RVP is too expensive,

And will probably be wrapped in cotton wool for the next while.

Rooney is risky, no
> striker at Arsenal these days which leaves...?
>

Giroud suspended for 3 games, too. Might make Podolski worth picking.
Giroud actually did well for me for one game as captain two weeks back,
so I kept him. Only for him to miss chances and get sent off.



> Bla...

Ba ?
Benteke ?
Lukaku ?

But I would go for Chicharito, who should now get playing time and will
be trying to impress. Spend the changes on better defenders and midfielders.

[Binder Dundat]

On Apr 24, 10:46 am, "The Scrutineer" <vla...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> "The Scrutineer"  wrote in messagenews:kl8osq$mke$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> Liverpool seem pissed...
>
> http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/lfc-statement-on-luis-sua...

>
> Right ban, bad precedent with Defoe escaping free...

My Welsh friend sent me this

The Scouser



A scouser walked into the local job centre, marched straight up to the
Counter and said 'Hi, I'm looking for a job'.





The man behind the counter replied 'Your timing is amazing. We've just
got one in from a very wealthy man who wants a chauffeur/bodyguard for
his nymphomaniac twin daughters. You'll have to drive around in a big
black Mercedes and wear the uniform provided. The hours are a bit long
but the meals are provided. You also have to escort the young ladies
on their Overseas holidays. The Salary package is £200,000 a year'.





The Scouser said 'You're bullsh*tting me!'





The man behind the counter said 'Well you started it!'

[RED DEVIL]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 07:20:08 -0700 (PDT), Google Beta User
<madr...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I recommend we (lfc) take the ban and move on.

Handslap...as usual

[RED DEVIL]

How many times did Defoe bite another player?

[Clément]

"RED DEVIL" escreveu:

> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 07:26:12 -0700 (PDT), Alkamista wrote:
>> How many games was Jermaine Defoe suspended for after biting
>> Mascherano?
>
> How many times did Defoe bite another player?

Are you suggesting every player should be allowed one "free" bite? =)

[darkst...@gmail.com]

It's not even a question of the single incident.

The fact is that he should've been banned at least an entire year, plus the World Cup, as a signal to get him off the pitch permanently.

But again, like Barton at the end of the last season, the FA shows no teeth.

Neither Barton nor Suarez should be allowed again in football in any capacity.

Ten matches for Suarez for his THIRD major affront to football in three years is a joke.

Mike

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:20:08 AM UTC-7, Google Beta User wrote:
> I recommend we (lfc) take the ban and move on.

I would too, on two grounds.

1) I think 10 is embarrassingly light.
2) If he appeals (unlike most sporting bodies), the appeal CAN increase the penalty.

Mike

[RED DEVIL]

Why not?

[RED DEVIL]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:12:47 -0700 (PDT), darkst...@gmail.com
wrote:

There's one thing about Suarez, he get's off light again but you know
that he'll do it again, he's that stupid.

[<--->]

Rodgers thinks it's harsh.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22295309

[RED DEVIL]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:47:52 +0100, "<--->" <me1...@privacy.net>
wrote:

Of course he would but in reality it's a slap on the wrist

[Sven Mischkies]

RED DEVIL <RED...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote:

> >Rodgers thinks it's harsh.
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22295309
>
> Of course he would but in reality it's a slap on the wrist

Compared to what .e.g Thatcher did the ban is grotesque. It's violent
conduct and therefore should result in a ban, yes.

But it should be in line with other bans for violent conduct, and it
clearly isn't: Suarez didn't smash anybody's head or neck, no injury
resulted, yet his ban is longer than those for people who tried to
severly injure others. That just doesn;t compute. If you get 10 games
for a bite, why don't you get 30 for trying to decaptiate an opponent?

Is the FA racist? Do English players get preferential treatment than
dodgy South Americans? 4 vs 8 games ban are pretty clear in that regard,
now this lengthy ban.

Or can they just not stand Suarez? ;)



Ciao,
SM
--
Avoid Santander, the magic bank that makes money disappear.

[Binder Dundat]

On Apr 25, 11:05 am, hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven Mischkies)
wrote:

I know what you are trying to say, but the case with Suarez is he is a
multiple repeat offender.

[Sven Mischkies]

Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know what you are trying to say, but the case with Suarez is he is a
> multiple repeat offender.

He isn't a multiple repeat offender. He is a repeat offender. And that
only in two different leagues with two different 'legal' systems.


In general I think he should leave the EPL and move to another club
where he isn't the single focal point on and off the pitch - the
constant pressure on pretty much him alone seems to be getting to him.
And it would help to get away from the effing bigots of the FA.

[RED DEVIL]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:23:28 +0100, hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven
Mischkies) wrote:

>Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know what you are trying to say, but the case with Suarez is he is a
>> multiple repeat offender.
>
>
>He isn't a multiple repeat offender. He is a repeat offender. And that
>only in two different leagues with two different 'legal' systems.
>
>
>In general I think he should leave the EPL and move to another club
>where he isn't the single focal point on and off the pitch - the
>constant pressure on pretty much him alone seems to be getting to him.
>And it would help to get away from the effing bigots of the FA.
>
>
>Ciao,
> SM

Why are the English FA bigots?

[Bruce D. Scott]

Sven Mischkies <hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net> wrote:

|> In general I think he should leave the EPL and move to another club
|> where he isn't the single focal point on and off the pitch - the
|> constant pressure on pretty much him alone seems to be getting to him.
|> And it would help to get away from the effing bigots of the FA.

I agree and he's one of the SA players who would be much better off
playing in Spain.

--
ciao,
Bruce

drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/

[RED DEVIL]

Rio Ferdinand (who of course is English) got 8 months for simply
missing a drug test just weeks after a Manchester City player (who
wasn't English) did the same thing and got off with a small fine.

The English FA are certainly inconsistent but how exactly are they
racist?

[Sven Mischkies]

RED DEVIL <RED...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote:

> Why are the English FA bigots?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4901426/Top-10-longe
st-Premier-League-bans-after-Luis-Suarez-10-game-suspension.html


Batty shoves ref, 6 matches.
Di Canio shoves ref, 11 matches.

Terry racially abuses, 4 matches.
Suarez racially abuses, 8 matches.

Thatcher assaults Mendes, 8 matches.
Barton, elbows, kicks and tries to headbutt opponents, 12 matches.
Suarez bites Ivanovic, 10 matches.

For the record, both Thatcher and Barton were repeat offenders.

Is there a pattern?

[RED DEVIL]

No pattern, just a lot of inconsistency

[Google Beta User]

On Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:47:52 AM UTC-4, <---> wrote:

> Rodgers thinks it's harsh.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22295309

Rodgers talks too much. He loves to talk.

Everyone in LFC should shut up about it. What is so difficult about that? Which amateurs are being employed in the communications department? If showing support for Suarez is the issue, by not putting him on the market immediately, there's the support right there.

[mehdi]

On 25/04/2013 16:05, Sven Mischkies wrote:

> Compared to what .e.g Thatcher did the ban is grotesque. It's violent
> conduct and therefore should result in a ban, yes.
>
> But it should be in line with other bans for violent conduct, and it

No it shouldn't because this scumbag cannot stay out of trouble. 10
games was light. They should have given him 9 months.


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[mehdi]

On 25/04/2013 16:23, Sven Mischkies wrote:

> He isn't a multiple repeat offender. He is a repeat offender. And that
> only in two different leagues with two different 'legal' systems.
>
> In general I think he should leave the EPL and move to another club
> where he isn't the single focal point on and off the pitch - the
> constant pressure on pretty much him alone seems to be getting to him.
> And it would help to get away from the effing bigots of the FA.
>
>
> Ciao,
> SM

You're seriously playing the victim card? How someone presents
themselves in the public eye is a reflection of their character outside
of the public eye, in fact in many cases their persona is watered down
as they are aware of the cameras. What do the on pitch incidents this
lowlife piece of human waste has been involved in, the biting, the
racism, the diving, the leg breaking fouls, tell you about him? I agree
with Mike. Suarez should be banned for life. It's time to clean up the
game. It's time to tell everyone watching that this sort of behaviour is
not acceptable in society. I hope he leaves for another league and
someone breaks the bastards legs in two places.

[Alkamista]

On Apr 25, 1:22 pm, mehdi <me...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> On 25/04/2013 16:23, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> > He isn't a multiple repeat offender. He is a repeat offender. And that
> > only in two different leagues with two different 'legal' systems.
>
> > In general I think he should leave the EPL and move to another club
> > where he isn't the single focal point on and off the pitch - the
> > constant pressure on pretty much him alone seems to be getting to him.
> > And it would help to get away from the effing bigots of the FA.
>
> > Ciao,
> >          SM
>
> You're seriously playing the victim card? How someone presents
> themselves in the public eye is a reflection of their character outside
> of the public eye, in fact in many cases their persona is watered down
> as they are aware of the cameras. What do the on pitch incidents this
> lowlife piece of human waste has been involved in, the biting, the
> racism, the diving, the leg breaking fouls, tell you about him?

The problem with your theory is that Suarez has almost never gotten
into trouble in his personal life. You are mistaken about behavior on
the field being a microcosm of one's personal life. I speak from
personal experience. When I played football competitively I was rather
aggressive on the field, getting into spats with opponents quite
frequently. At the same time I was very far from being an aggressive
person in my personal life; I would much rather walk away from a
altercation than indulge one. The adrenaline and competitiveness on a
sporting field drives behaviors that often have little to do with
one's everyday persona.

[RED DEVIL]

How many other players did you racially abuse or bite, how many ref's
did you head butt?

Were you a diver like little Luis?

[Sven Mischkies]

mehdi <me...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:

> On 25/04/2013 16:23, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> > He isn't a multiple repeat offender. He is a repeat offender. And that
> > only in two different leagues with two different 'legal' systems.
> >
> > In general I think he should leave the EPL and move to another club
> > where he isn't the single focal point on and off the pitch - the
> > constant pressure on pretty much him alone seems to be getting to him.
> > And it would help to get away from the effing bigots of the FA.
> >
> >
> > Ciao,
> > SM
>
> You're seriously playing the victim card?

No. It's his own fault and he got to live with it.

But I think that the situation at Liverpool, where he is the focus of
everything on and off the pitch, is putting a lot of pressure on him,
which makes incidents like the bite more likely to happen.

If he played in a team where he was one of many stars and not the one
and only guy to lift the rest into EL or CL, and would also encounter
disappointment less often, I think he would 'erupt' less often.

I don't think the bite would have happend if Liverpool was not so close
to losing out on international football, btw.

> How someone presents
> themselves in the public eye is a reflection of their character outside
> of the public eye, in fact in many cases their persona is watered down
> as they are aware of the cameras. What do the on pitch incidents this
> lowlife piece of human waste has been involved in, the biting, the
> racism, the diving, the leg breaking fouls, tell you about him? I agree
> with Mike. Suarez should be banned for life. It's time to clean up the
> game. It's time to tell everyone watching that this sort of behaviour is
> not acceptable in society. I hope he leaves for another league and
> someone breaks the bastards legs in two places.

You're so nice. ;)

I haven't seen anybody saying anything negative about his off field
behaviour, have you?

[mehdi]

On 25/04/2013 19:04, Alkamista wrote:

> The problem with your theory is that Suarez has almost never gotten
> into trouble in his personal life.

Not that we know of.

You are mistaken about behavior on
> the field being a microcosm of one's personal life. I speak from
> personal experience. When I played football competitively I was rather
> aggressive on the field, getting into spats with opponents quite
> frequently. At the same time I was very far from being an aggressive
> person in my personal life; I would much rather walk away from a
> altercation than indulge one. The adrenaline and competitiveness on a
> sporting field drives behaviors that often have little to do with
> one's everyday persona.

Many people are competitive when playing sport or video games, shouting
and arguing is common. We've all done it. Biting someone? Seeking out
someone and raking your studs down their ankles? Diving? These are
pre-mediated acts. If you're in control of your faculties you know which
line not to cross.

[Abubakr]

No, like I said, the poms love crunching "tackles"; it's part of the game,
players expect it, etc. They even make up idiotic rules so that the
authorities don't have to even deal with it, putting the responsibility on
referees who on the majority are butchers in disguise in turn. Pathetic
league.

[Abubakr]

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 01:23:28 +1000, Sven Mischkies
<hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net> wrote:

> Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know what you are trying to say, but the case with Suarez is he is a
>> multiple repeat offender.
>
>
> He isn't a multiple repeat offender. He is a repeat offender. And that
> only in two different leagues with two different 'legal' systems.
>
>
> In general I think he should leave the EPL and move to another club
> where he isn't the single focal point on and off the pitch - the
> constant pressure on pretty much him alone seems to be getting to him.
> And it would help to get away from the effing bigots of the FA.

He's a complete waste at Liverpool. I think he would suit City or
somewhere like Juve, who desperately need a top class forward.

[Abubakr]

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:04:45 +1000, Alkamista <alka...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

You are talking to someone who's never kicked a ball in his life, you do
realise that, correct?

[Abubakr]

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:50:08 +1000, RED DEVIL <RED...@xxxxcharter.net>
wrote:

I don't dive like Luis, I dive like Rooney.

[RED DEVIL]

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 06:35:52 +1000, "Abubakr " <aa...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

ahh...

rarely then!

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:09:37 AM UTC-7, RED DEVIL wrote:

> There's one thing about Suarez, he get's off light again but you know
> that he'll do it again, he's that stupid.

One of the reasons that "biting has no place on the pitch" has nothing to do with that I believe he needs to be thrown out of football.

If he weren't one of the ten best players in the world, he'd be out of the EPL (which see another person who should've been banned from the sport, Joey Barton) definitely.

Mike

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:47:52 AM UTC-7, <---> wrote:

> Rodgers thinks it's harsh.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22295309

I'd really like to know what he's smoking.

The fact is, this is the third affront against football in less than three years by this guy. The punishment should be against the man, and, at this point, frankly, to give him only 10 matches, and not refer him to FIFA for a life ban or at least a ban that takes him out of Brazil 2014, is something to offer him one (more) chance at rehabilitation.

But, here's the thing: If this guy weren't one of the few world-class players left in the EPL, would he even be getting the third chance he got after the racism incident, much less a fourth now?

Mike

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:23:28 AM UTC-7, Sven Mischkies wrote:

> He isn't a multiple repeat offender. He is a repeat offender. And that
> only in two different leagues with two different 'legal' systems.

One of the reasons this needs to go to FIFA. (UEFA would be insufficient, because you've got issues with his South American national side. Is he still eligible to play in the WC qualifiers, as well?)

> In general I think he should leave the EPL and move to another club
> where he isn't the single focal point on and off the pitch - the
> constant pressure on pretty much him alone seems to be getting to him.
> And it would help to get away from the effing bigots of the FA.

The EPL would be better for it.

Mike

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:05:08 AM UTC-7, Be...@soccer-europe.com wrote:

> No it shouldn't because this scumbag cannot stay out of trouble. 10
> games was light. They should have given him 9 months.

I'd have doubled that, at minimum. I'd have put a life ban with FIFA on the table, and had him out at least 18 months.

Basically, a strong message to take his head out of football. Now.

Mike

[Abubakr]

But of course the likes of McManaman get nothing and you are very happy
with that?

[RED DEVIL]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:46:17 -0700 (PDT), darkst...@gmail.com
wrote:

He'll be back in trouble soon, it's just a matter of time with this
thug.

Bill Shankly is turning in his grave, these events would never
happened on his watch.

Liverpool's shameful handling of him is typical of football today in
the BPL and other top leagues. If you can play you can get away with
basically anything, even disgusting acts like biting another human
being.

The better you are the more you can get away with and the fans will
support you regardless. That said, he was getting the boo treatment
before this latest episode, but nothing like he's going to get now.

[mehdi]

On 25/04/2013 19:52, Sven Mischkies wrote:

> You're so nice. ;)

I have a low scumbag threshold. This type of behaviour in an adult can
only be resolved by a through beating.

> I haven't seen anybody saying anything negative about his off field
> behaviour, have you?

No but I find it hard to believe he only becomes a monster once he steps
on the pitch.

[mehdi]

On 25/04/2013 22:49, darkst...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'd have doubled that, at minimum. I'd have put a life ban with FIFA on the table, and had him out at least 18 months.
>
> Basically, a strong message to take his head out of football. Now.
>
> Mike

Totally agree. I hope he leaves for Spain so I don't have to tolerate
him on a weekly basis.

[Alkamista]

On Apr 25, 2:56 pm, mehdi <me...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> On 25/04/2013 19:04, Alkamista wrote:
>
> > The problem with your theory is that Suarez has almost never gotten
> > into trouble in his personal life.
>
> Not that we know of.
>
>   You are mistaken about behavior on
>  > the field being a microcosm of one's personal life. I speak from
>  > personal experience. When I played football competitively I was rather
>  > aggressive on the field, getting into spats with opponents quite
>  > frequently. At the same time I was very far from being an aggressive
>  > person in my personal life; I would much rather walk away from a
>  > altercation than indulge one. The adrenaline and competitiveness on a
>  > sporting field drives behaviors that often have little to do with
>  > one's everyday persona.
>
> Many people are competitive when playing sport or video games, shouting
> and arguing is common. We've all done it. Biting someone? Seeking out
> someone and raking your studs down their ankles? Diving? These are
> pre-mediated acts. If you're in control of your faculties you know which
> line not to cross.

You can't actually believe that Suarez premeditated the bite,
seriously. Even assuming he has a fetish for biting, he can't be
stupid to not know the repercussions that would bring (and has). And
there zero ground for the accusation that he has ever set out to
deliberately hurt someone.

I am very surprised you would make such accusations.

[Alkamista]

None. My on the field altercations were mainly a little shoving and
some angry words. I never kung fu kicked anyone's chest like Cantona,
I never deliberately tried to injure an opponent like that human filth
Roy Keane, and I never made any racial slurs like you did here:

https://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/msg/b93aab586724f87d?hl=en&dmode=source

[mehdi]

On 26/04/2013 14:49, Alkamista wrote:

> You can't actually believe that Suarez premeditated the bite,
> seriously.

He grabs the arm and sinks his teeth in.

Even assuming he has a fetish for biting, he can't be
> stupid to not know the repercussions that would bring (and has).

Of course he is. That's like arguing a thief wouldn't be stupid enough
to steal again after being caught.

> I am very surprised you would make such accusations.

Fool me once...

[RED DEVIL]

lol....

You think that's racist but what Suarez did isn't.

As I said in a previous post you are a little boy.

Grow up

And benny is a Paki

And I am a Brit...and so on

[Google Beta User]

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Paki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1433212/Fans-Paki-taunt-was-racist-High-Court-rules.html
etc etc etc.

[RED DEVIL]

He's also a twat and a cunt (the same words he used to describe Rafael
and many others)

[MH]

Is calling someone who is black black (because remember Suarez and Evra
were speaking Spanish) really worse than calling someone a word that
their ethnic group generally finds somewhat to very offensive ?

Obviously the answer to that is contextual, and depends on the
perception of the "insultee" and also the attitude, ethnicity etc. of
the "insulter". But you are on very shaky ground here, Mr. Devil.

[RED DEVIL]

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:30:00 -0600, MH <MHno...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:


>Is calling someone who is black black (because remember Suarez and Evra
>were speaking Spanish) really worse than calling someone a word that
>their ethnic group generally finds somewhat to very offensive ?
>
>Obviously the answer to that is contextual, and depends on the
>perception of the "insultee" and also the attitude, ethnicity etc. of
>the "insulter". But you are on very shaky ground here, Mr. Devil.
>
>

Not really arguing the point.

benny is a loathsome man who throws slurs around like confetti I don't
care one jot if I've offended him, scumbag that he is.

[Alkamista]

On Apr 26, 4:40 pm, RED DEVIL <REDE...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 06:54:07 -0700 (PDT), Alkamista
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> >https://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/msg/b93aab586724f87d...

>
> lol....
>
> You think that's racist but what Suarez did isn't.
>
> As I said in a previous post you are a little boy.
>
> Grow up
>
> And benny is a Paki
>
> And I am a Brit...and so on

Awwww, you're so innocent. Do you know how babies are made?

Most people here are well aware that you're a stupid old man, but no
one will believe that you're as stupid as you're pretending to be
right now.

As I said before, your propensity for self-humiliation is so immense
that it's just fascinating to watch. Time and time again, a total
freak-show.

[Alkamista]

On Apr 26, 5:30 pm, MH <MHnos...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>
> Is calling someone who is black black (because remember Suarez and Evra
> were speaking Spanish) really worse than calling someone a word that
> their ethnic group generally finds somewhat to very offensive ?

It all depends on the context. Many black Americans refer to each
other by the n-word, but non-blacks are clearly not "allowed" to use
that word. Also, why did Suarez bring up Evra's race at all, esp.
considering their exchange wasn't amiable? I believe Suarez was
deliberately trying to get under his skin.

As for "Paki", it is a clear and well establish racial slur in the UK.
For an Englishman like Red Devil to pretend that he didn't know that
is like an American claiming that he didn't know that the n-word was
offensive. He was trying to do to Benny exactly what Suarez tried to
do to Evra. And then mounts the same defense as Suarez. The
similarities are quite remarkable, actually.

[MH]

On 13-04-26 5:24 PM, Alkamista wrote:
> On Apr 26, 5:30 pm, MH <MHnos...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Is calling someone who is black black (because remember Suarez and Evra
>> were speaking Spanish) really worse than calling someone a word that
>> their ethnic group generally finds somewhat to very offensive ?
>
> It all depends on the context. Many black Americans refer to each
> other by the n-word, but non-blacks are clearly not "allowed" to use
> that word.

Yes definitely. If one believes "The Wire" they even use it of
non-black people.

Have you ever seen the "Only a ginger, can call another ginger ginger "
song, btw ? (Tim Minchin) Quite amusing, especially to my red-haired
daughter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw

But Suarez did not use the n word.

Also, why did Suarez bring up Evra's race at all, esp.
> considering their exchange wasn't amiable? I believe Suarez was
> deliberately trying to get under his skin.

This is certainly possible, even likely. But again, negro, negrito, in
South america are not offensive at all. I still think the suspension was
excessive, given what Terry got.

>
> As for "Paki", it is a clear and well establish racial slur in the UK.

And here as well.

> For an Englishman like Red Devil to pretend that he didn't know that
> is like an American claiming that he didn't know that the n-word was
> offensive.

Yes, there is no excuse. It is not equivalent to Yank, Paddy, Canuck,
Jock, Geordie , Scouser etc, some of which are also perceived as
slightly offensive to some people.

[Alkamista]

On Apr 26, 8:01 pm, MH <MHnos...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
> On 13-04-26 5:24 PM, Alkamista wrote:
>
> > On Apr 26, 5:30 pm, MH <MHnos...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>
> >> Is calling someone who is black black (because remember Suarez and Evra
> >> were speaking Spanish) really worse than calling someone a word that
> >> their ethnic group generally finds somewhat to very offensive ?
>
> > It all depends on the context. Many black Americans refer to each
> > other by the n-word, but non-blacks are clearly not "allowed" to use
> > that word.
>
> Yes definitely.  If one believes "The Wire" they even use it of
> non-black people.
>
> Have you ever seen the "Only a ginger, can call another ginger ginger "
> song, btw ?  (Tim Minchin) Quite amusing, especially to my red-haired
> daughter.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw

:-)

>
> But Suarez did not use the n word.
>
> Also, why did Suarez bring up Evra's race at all, esp.
>
> > considering their exchange wasn't amiable? I believe Suarez was
> > deliberately trying to get under his skin.
>
> This is certainly possible, even likely.  But again, negro, negrito, in
> South america are not offensive at all.

If Suarez and Evra were having a beer and Suarez called him negrito
affectionately then it would be one thing. But they were adversaries
on the football pitch with no prior relationship (to the best of my
knowledge), so bringing up Evra's race in *any* context seems very out
of place. "Black" is a socially accepted term, but if I met a black
stranger on the street and said hey "black man," it would certainly
raise some eyebrows, if race had no significance in our discussion.

> I still think the suspension was
> excessive, given what Terry got.

That is true. It became a witch hunt because of Suarez's prior
unpopularity, and once David Cameron stuck his fat snout in
unsolicited, Suarez's fate was sealed.

[Sven Mischkies]

Alkamista <alka...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> If Suarez and Evra were having a beer and Suarez called him negrito
> affectionately then it would be one thing. But they were adversaries
> on the football pitch with no prior relationship (to the best of my
> knowledge), so bringing up Evra's race in *any* context seems very out
> of place.

The point of the defense in rss is that "negrito" transcends race, e.g.
that he didn't bring race up.

Dunno what to make of it myself, didn't read the protocol and don't know
what was said.


Ciao,
SM
--
Avoid Santander, the magic bank that makes money disappear.

[Clément]

"Sven Mischkies" escreveu:

> Alkamista wrote:
>> If Suarez and Evra were having a beer and Suarez called him negrito
>> affectionately then it would be one thing. But they were adversaries
>> on the football pitch with no prior relationship (to the best of my
>> knowledge), so bringing up Evra's race in *any* context seems very out
>> of place.
>
> The point of the defense in rss is that "negrito" transcends race, e.g.
> that he didn't bring race up.
>
> Dunno what to make of it myself, didn't read the protocol and don't know
> what was said.

I will not speculate about what Su�rez said back then to Evra and what his
intentions were, but as someone with a native Spanish-speaking mother, I can
tell you it's a fact that "negro" is an affectionate treatment form in
Spanish, and that it transcends race. It's how my mom addresses my dad, for
example, and my dad is white.

However unlikely it may be that Su�rez could have addressed Evra in an
affectionate way during that incident, it's not a stretch by any means to
say that "negro" is a harmless way to address someone in Spanish, because it
generally is. Context matters, of course.

As a side comment, in Brazilian Portuguese "negro" is the respectful form to
refer to someone's race. The common word for the color black, "preto" is an
archaic way to refer to the race and more often than not will be interpreted
as a slur these days. Also, in Brazilian culture it's still common to have
people casually nicknamed after their race. For example, a black man could
either be nicknamed "neg�o" ("big nigga") or, sarcastically, "alem�o"
("German"). For example, my local football club had this goalkeeper in the
1950s, a big black guy whose nickname was "Blond".

All this is just to say that it's dangerous to generalize or make definite
assumptions when one's dealing with different cultures.

Abra�o,

Luiz Mello

[Clément]

"RED DEVIL" escreveu:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:52:14 -0300, Cl�ment wrote:
>>"RED DEVIL" escreveu:
>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 07:26:12 -0700 (PDT), Alkamista wrote:
>>>> How many games was Jermaine Defoe suspended for after biting
>>>> Mascherano?
>>>
>>> How many times did Defoe bite another player?
>>
>> Are you suggesting every player should be allowed one "free" bite? =)
>
> Why not?

No reason, just wanting to make sure this is what you meant.

Personally, I'd suggest a bite is unsportsmanlike behavior, and worth a
suspension from the first infringement. Suspension length should escalate on
reincidence, of course.

Same goes for any other form of violent conduct.

Abra�o,

Luiz Mello

[MH]

My point, exactly, but you express it so much more eloquently than I do !

>
> Abra�o,
>
> Luiz Mello

[mehdi]

On 27/04/2013 23:50, Cl�ment wrote:

> As a side comment, in Brazilian Portuguese "negro" is the respectful
> form to refer to someone's race. The common word for the color black,
> "preto" is an archaic way to refer to the race and more often than not
> will be interpreted as a slur these days. Also, in Brazilian culture
> it's still common to have people casually nicknamed after their race.

> For example, a black man could either be nicknamed "neg�o" ("big nigga")
> or, sarcastically, "alem�o" ("German"). For example, my local football

> club had this goalkeeper in the 1950s, a big black guy whose nickname
> was "Blond".

Ha ha ha. That's genius.

[Sven Mischkies]

Clément <lcmello...@terra.com.br> wrote:

> Also, in Brazilian culture it's still common to have
> people casually nicknamed after their race. For example, a black man could

> either be nicknamed "negão" ("big nigga") or, sarcastically, "alemão"

> ("German"). For example, my local football club had this goalkeeper in the
> 1950s, a big black guy whose nickname was "Blond".

That reminds me of Gerald Asamoah, whose nickname at Schalke was
'Blondie'. :)

[Eyes Right]

"RED DEVIL" <RED...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote in message
news:oepln85s9tlavfjiq...@4ax.com...

Says everything anyone ever needs to know about you

>
> And I am a Brit...and so on

And I for one am embarrassed to share that association with you.

[Abubakr]

On Apr 28, 9:19 pm, "Eyes Right" <n...@null.com> wrote:
> "RED DEVIL" <REDE...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote in message

>
> news:oepln85s9tlavfjiq...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 06:54:07 -0700 (PDT), Alkamista

> >>https://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/msg/b93aab586724f87d...

>
> > lol....
>
> > You think that's racist but what Suarez did isn't.
>
> > As I said in a previous post you are a little boy.
>
> > Grow up
>
> > And benny is a Paki
>
> Says everything anyone ever needs to know about you
>
>
>
> > And I am a Brit...and so on
>
> And I for one am embarrassed to share that association with you.

He's a deranged lunatic, and like one or two others, such as Jellore
and Diabolik, an utter shameless hypocrite also (to be fair, Jellore
isn't an utter shameless hypocrite, he's just a massive nincompoop and
a creepy stalker).

[Alkamista]

On Apr 27, 2:14 pm, hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven Mischkies)
wrote:

> Alkamista <alkami...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > If Suarez and Evra were having a beer and Suarez called him negrito
> > affectionately then it would be one thing. But they were adversaries
> > on the football pitch with no prior relationship (to the best of my
> > knowledge), so bringing up Evra's race in *any* context seems very out
> > of place.
>
> The point of the defense in rss is that "negrito" transcends race, e.g.
> that he didn't bring race up.

OK, that point was clearly lost on me.

[Alkamista]

On Apr 27, 6:50 pm, Clément <lcmello.lis...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> "Sven Mischkies"  escreveu:
>
> > Alkamista wrote:
> >> If Suarez and Evra were having a beer and Suarez called him negrito
> >> affectionately then it would be one thing. But they were adversaries
> >> on the football pitch with no prior relationship (to the best of my
> >> knowledge), so bringing up Evra's race in *any* context seems very out
> >> of place.
>
> > The point of the defense in rss is that "negrito" transcends race, e.g.
> > that he didn't bring race up.
>
> > Dunno what to make of it myself, didn't read the protocol and don't know
> > what was said.
>

> I will not speculate about what Suárez said back then to Evra and what his

> intentions were, but as someone with a native Spanish-speaking mother, I can
> tell you it's a fact that "negro" is an affectionate treatment form in
> Spanish, and that it transcends race. It's how my mom addresses my dad, for
> example, and my dad is white.
>

> However unlikely it may be that Suárez could have addressed Evra in an

> affectionate way during that incident, it's not a stretch by any means to
> say that "negro" is a harmless way to address someone in Spanish, because it
> generally is. Context matters, of course.
>
> As a side comment, in Brazilian Portuguese "negro" is the respectful form to
> refer to someone's race. The common word for the color black, "preto" is an
> archaic way to refer to the race and more often than not will be interpreted
> as a slur these days. Also, in Brazilian culture it's still common to have
> people casually nicknamed after their race. For example, a black man could

> either be nicknamed "negão" ("big nigga") or, sarcastically, "alemão"

> ("German"). For example, my local football club had this goalkeeper in the
> 1950s, a big black guy whose nickname was "Blond".
>
> All this is just to say that it's dangerous to generalize or make definite
> assumptions when one's dealing with different cultures.

Fair point, and very enlightening examples.

[RED DEVIL]

No, you aren't understanding me at all

Lets try again

benny is a low life scumbag paki that I wouldn't piss on if he was on
fire

I meant to insult him because I despise the arsehole

[RED DEVIL]

And that please me so much

Who wants to be associated with two obvious know nothing morons?

Jellore is 10 times the poster (and man) both of you added together
are.

[RED DEVIL]

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:19:45 +0100, "Eyes Right" <nu...@null.com>
wrote:

>

>>>> How many other players did you racially abuse or bite, how many ref's
>>>> did you head butt?
>>>
>>>None. My on the field altercations were mainly a little shoving and
>>>some angry words. I never kung fu kicked anyone's chest like Cantona,
>>>I never deliberately tried to injure an opponent like that human filth
>>>Roy Keane, and I never made any racial slurs like you did here:
>>>
>>>https://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/msg/b93aab586724f87d?hl=en&dmode=source
>>
>> lol....
>>
>> You think that's racist but what Suarez did isn't.
>>
>> As I said in a previous post you are a little boy.
>>
>> Grow up
>>
>> And benny is a Paki
>
>Says everything anyone ever needs to know about you
>
>>
>> And I am a Brit...and so on
>
>And I for one am embarrassed to share that association with you.
>

Oh fucking boo hoo..I'm heartbroken

On yer bike you stupid twat

[Google Beta User]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 4:52:28 PM UTC-4, RED DEVIL wrote:

> No, you aren't understanding me at all
>
>
>
> Lets try again
>
>
>
> benny is a low life scumbag paki that I wouldn't piss on if he was on
>
> fire
>
>
>
> I meant to insult him because I despise the arsehole

Well "lowlife scum bag" is an insult isn't it?

I think everyone's point is if one thinks someone is "low-life scum" what does them being "pakistani", "black", "arab", etc have anything to do with whether they are a "low-life scumbag"?

[RED DEVIL]

On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:54:12 -0300, Cl�ment
<lcmello...@terra.com.br> wrote:

>"RED DEVIL" escreveu:

>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:52:14 -0300, Cl�ment wrote:
>>>"RED DEVIL" escreveu:
>>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 07:26:12 -0700 (PDT), Alkamista wrote:
>>>>> How many games was Jermaine Defoe suspended for after biting
>>>>> Mascherano?
>>>>
>>>> How many times did Defoe bite another player?
>>>
>>> Are you suggesting every player should be allowed one "free" bite? =)
>>
>> Why not?
>
>No reason, just wanting to make sure this is what you meant.
>
>Personally, I'd suggest a bite is unsportsmanlike behavior, and worth a
>suspension from the first infringement. Suspension length should escalate on
>reincidence, of course.
>
>Same goes for any other form of violent conduct.
>

>Abra�o,
>
>Luiz Mello

Actually I agree with you.

Defoe should have been banned for a year for biting and Suarez should
have been banned for two years for his second bite

My opinion is not based upon who he is and who he plays for but what
he's done.

No argument with 9 months for the Cantona kick, a little argument with
8 months for Rio on a missed drugs test

But ten matches for a scum bag like Suarez?

He doesn't need or warrant such leniency, he does however need
help

[RED DEVIL]

I don't consider scum bag enough to describe a cunt like benny

He that said "I'm the most important person in this newsgroup"

He a low life, fuck head, pompous, cum burping, attention seeking,
ignorant, paki scum bag porch whore.

Understand me now?

[Sven Mischkies]

RED DEVIL <RED...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote:

> I don't consider scum bag enough to describe a cunt like benny

So you use a racial slur to enhance the insult. How is that not racism?

[RED DEVIL]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:30:17 +0100, hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven
Mischkies) wrote:

>RED DEVIL <RED...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote:
>
>> I don't consider scum bag enough to describe a cunt like benny
>
>
>So you use a racial slur to enhance the insult. How is that not racism?
>
>
>Ciao,
> SM

I simply don't care...he's a cunt and twat of the highest order and
I'm not saying anything I wouldn't say directl;y to his face.

He slings slurs around like confetti, it's time someone flung them
back in his face

[mehdi]

On 29/04/2013 22:01, Google Beta User wrote:

> Well "lowlife scum bag" is an insult isn't it?
>
> I think everyone's point is if one thinks someone is "low-life scum"
what does them being "pakistani", "black", "arab", etc have anything to
do with whether they are a "low-life scumbag"?

It's a touch of racism for added effect. It's hardly out of character is
it? We're dealing with someone who is a pathological liar, makes lame
threats and doesn't have the courage to face up to his contradictions
even when they stare him in the face. I stopped giving the creatine the
time of day long ago. Deny a parasite oxygen and it dies. Others string
him along purely for comic effect - like pulling faces at the kids on
the short bus.

[RED DEVIL]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:52:24 +0100, mehdi <me...@soccer-europe.com>
wrote:

>On 29/04/2013 22:01, Google Beta User wrote:
>
>> Well "lowlife scum bag" is an insult isn't it?
>>
>> I think everyone's point is if one thinks someone is "low-life scum"
>what does them being "pakistani", "black", "arab", etc have anything to
>do with whether they are a "low-life scumbag"?
>
>It's a touch of racism for added effect. It's hardly out of character is
>it? We're dealing with someone who is a pathological liar, makes lame
>threats and doesn't have the courage to face up to his contradictions
>even when they stare him in the face. I stopped giving the creatine the
>time of day long ago. Deny a parasite oxygen and it dies. Others string
>him along purely for comic effect - like pulling faces at the kids on
>the short bus.

This is one of the reasons I call him what I do

Paki cunt!

[Bruce D. Scott]

RED DEVIL <RED...@xxxxcharter.net> wrote:

|> This is one of the reasons I call him what I do
|>
|> Paki cunt!

I don't really follow the details when you and the two A's get going,
but I looked at Sven's and Benny's messages and this follow-up, and I
have to say this sort of thing is enough to disqualify one forever if
done in a public forum such as this one.

--
ciao,
Bruce

drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/

[Clément]

"Sven Mischkies" escreveu:

> Cl�ment wrote:
>> Also, in Brazilian culture it's still common to have
>> people casually nicknamed after their race. For example, a black man
>> could

>> either be nicknamed "neg�o" ("big nigga") or, sarcastically, "alem�o"

>> ("German"). For example, my local football club had this goalkeeper in
>> the
>> 1950s, a big black guy whose nickname was "Blond".
>
> That reminds me of Gerald Asamoah, whose nickname at Schalke was
> 'Blondie'. :)

=)

Once I was watching a Germany game with a [black] friend of mine. When
Asamoah came on as a sub, my friend quipped, "hey, look who's coming on:
'German'!"

Abra�o,

Luiz Mello

[Abubakr]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 22:09:26 +1000, Clément <lcmello...@terra.com.br>
wrote:

> "Sven Mischkies" escreveu:

>> Clément wrote:
>>> Also, in Brazilian culture it's still common to have
>>> people casually nicknamed after their race. For example, a black man
>>> could

>>> either be nicknamed "negão" ("big nigga") or, sarcastically, "alemão"

>>> ("German"). For example, my local football club had this goalkeeper in
>>> the
>>> 1950s, a big black guy whose nickname was "Blond".
>>
>> That reminds me of Gerald Asamoah, whose nickname at Schalke was
>> 'Blondie'. :)
>
> =)
>
> Once I was watching a Germany game with a [black] friend of mine. When
> Asamoah came on as a sub, my friend quipped, "hey, look who's coming on:
> 'German'!"

Do whites also have the same sarcastic nicknames?

[Clément]

"Abubakr " escreveu:

> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 22:09:26 +1000, Cl�ment wrote:
>> "Sven Mischkies" escreveu:

>>> Cl�ment wrote:
>>>> Also, in Brazilian culture it's still common to have
>>>> people casually nicknamed after their race. For example, a black man

>>>> could either be nicknamed "neg�o" ("big nigga") or, sarcastically,
>>>> "alem�o"

>>>> ("German"). For example, my local football club had this goalkeeper in
>>>> the 1950s, a big black guy whose nickname was "Blond".
>>>
>>> That reminds me of Gerald Asamoah, whose nickname at Schalke was
>>> 'Blondie'. :)
>>
>> =)
>>
>> Once I was watching a Germany game with a [black] friend of mine. When
>> Asamoah came on as a sub, my friend quipped, "hey, look who's coming on:
>> 'German'!"
>
> Do whites also have the same sarcastic nicknames?

Yes. Like "branco" ("white") or the more literally used, in this case,
"alem�o" (regardless of whether the person has any German ancestry). Also
"galego" ("Galician") even though this one feels more archaic and maybe has
a more provoking tone.

Look, I didn't mean to say there's not racism here. I was just talking about
how nicknaming and addressing each other (among many other things, in fact)
are more casually dealt with in this culture. Which, IMO, could be a
healthier attitude to have while properly dealing with the real problems.

These days you have to be more cautious with these subjects, as there is a
rise in [over?]sensitiveness and in political correctness. Which have to be
fully respected as well, even though I hope we don't go the route of
fostering unnecessary tensions.

At this very moment, I'm visiting a client in a pharmaceutical plant. The
plant manager here, a guy of Japanese ancestry, calls himself (and is called
by others, his employees included) "japon�s" or "japa" ("jap"). There's
absolutely no racist connotation in this way of addressing each other, even
though the very same words could be used as slurs in a different context.

Abra�o,

Luiz Mello

[Abubakr]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 22:43:49 +1000, Clément <lcmello...@terra.com.br>
wrote:

> "Abubakr " escreveu:

>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 22:09:26 +1000, Clément wrote:
>>> "Sven Mischkies" escreveu:

>>>> Clément wrote:
>>>>> Also, in Brazilian culture it's still common to have
>>>>> people casually nicknamed after their race. For example, a black man

>>>>> could either be nicknamed "negão" ("big nigga") or, sarcastically,
>>>>> "alemão"

>>>>> ("German"). For example, my local football club had this goalkeeper
>>>>> in the 1950s, a big black guy whose nickname was "Blond".
>>>>
>>>> That reminds me of Gerald Asamoah, whose nickname at Schalke was
>>>> 'Blondie'. :)
>>>
>>> =)
>>>
>>> Once I was watching a Germany game with a [black] friend of mine. When
>>> Asamoah came on as a sub, my friend quipped, "hey, look who's coming
>>> on: 'German'!"
>>
>> Do whites also have the same sarcastic nicknames?
>
> Yes. Like "branco" ("white") or the more literally used, in this case,

> "alemão" (regardless of whether the person has any German ancestry).

> Also "galego" ("Galician") even though this one feels more archaic and
> maybe has a more provoking tone.

But would white person ever be nicknamed "Negao" or "blackie"
?

[Clément]

"Abubakr " escreveu:

> But would white person ever be nicknamed "Negao" or "blackie"?

Yes. "Neg�o" I've never seen used this way, but I've seen "Preto" and
"Pretinho".

Abra�o,

Luiz Mello

[Abubakr]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 23:38:56 +1000, Clément <lcmello...@terra.com.br>
wrote:

> "Abubakr " escreveu:
>> But would white person ever be nicknamed "Negao" or "blackie"?
>

> Yes. "Negão" I've never seen used this way, but I've seen "Preto" and
> "Pretinho".

Excuse my ignorance but what do those mean?

[Clément]

"Abubakr " escreveu:

> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 23:38:56 +1000, Clément wrote:
>> "Abubakr " escreveu:
>>> But would white person ever be nicknamed "Negao" or "blackie"?
>>
>> Yes. "Negão" I've never seen used this way, but I've seen "Preto" and
>> "Pretinho".
>
> Excuse my ignorance but what do those mean?

Sorry. "Black" and "blackie", respectively.

[Jesper Lauridsen]

On 2013-04-29, Sven Mischkies <hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net> wrote:
> RED DEVIL <RED...@XXXXCharter.net> wrote:
>
>> I don't consider scum bag enough to describe a cunt like benny
>
>
> So you use a racial slur to enhance the insult. How is that not racism?

If Suarez had expanded his remarks with "fucking", "cunt" and other regular
insults, it would have been ok in RD-world.

[RED DEVIL]

You'll have to see benny about that is all about I was replying to a
post of his where he called Rafael daSilva a "fucking cunt" for no
apparent reason.