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milivella

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Apr 16, 2012, 3:22:22 PM4/16/12
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You have three days (deadline 19 April, 23:59 GMT) to send me an email at
mili...@gmail.com to create a Spanish player:

1. Name him.

2. Pick one position where he'll be natural (20/20), and then four more in
preference order among the ones after the plus sign: he'll be accomplished
(17/20) in the first, competent (13/20) in the second, unconvincing (10/20)
in the third, awkward (7/20) in the fourth.
GK
SW + DC, DL, WBL, DR, WBR, MC, DM
DL + SW, DC, WBL, DR, WBR, DM
DC + SW, DL, WBL, DR, WBR, DM
DR + SW, DC, DL, WBL, WBR, MC, DM
WBL + SW, DC, DL, DR, WBR, ML, AML, MC, DM
WBR + SW, DC, DL, WBL, DR, MC, DM, MR, AMR
DM + SW, DC, DL, WBL, DR, WBR, MC
ML + WBL, AML, MC, AMC, MR, AMR, ST
MC + SW, WBL, DR, WBR, ML, AML, DM, AMC, MR, AMR
MR + WBR, ML, AML, MC, AMC, AMR, ST
AML + WBL, ML, MC, AMC, MR, AMR, ST
AMC + ML, AML, MC, MR, AMR, ST
AMR + WBR, ML, AML, MC, DM, AMC, MR, ST
ST + ML, AML, AMC, MR, AMR

3. Maximize (or minimize) just one of the following attribute:
[Mental]
Aggression
Anticipation
Bravery
Composure
Concentration
Consistency
Creativity
Decisions
Determination
Dirtiness
Flair
Important Matches
Influence
Off the Ball
Positioning
Teamwork
Work Rate
[Physical]
Acceleration
Agility
Balance
Injury Proneness
Jumping
Natural Fitness
Pace
Stamina
Strength
[Personality]
Adaptability
Ambition
Controversy
Loyalty
Pressure
Professionalism
Sportsmanship
Temperament
[Technical]
Corners
Crossing
Dribbling
Finishing
First Touch
Free Kick Taking
Heading
Long Shots
Long Throws
Marking
Passing
Penalty Taking
Tackling
Technique
Versatility
[Goalkeeping]
Aerial Ability
Command of Area
Communication
Eccentricity
Handling
Kicking
One on Ones
Reflexes
Rushing Out
Tendency to Punch
Throwing

Here are all his other details:
- Born on 1 January 1992 (since the game will start in 2010-11, he'll be 18
year old).
- Contracted for Marino de Luanco (Spanish third division) since 1 January
2010 for three years.
- Wage: 9 euro a week.
- Perfect knowledge of the Spanish language.
- Past: 1095 Days (3 years) at Marino de Luanco.
- Current ability as the average Marino de Luanco player.
- Potential ability as Messi's peak.
- Reputation as the average Marino de Luanco player.
- Ineffectual (3/20) in any position but the ones you've chosen.
- Apart from the attribute you maximized (or minimized), his attributes will
be automatically chosen by Football Manager according to the positions
you've chosen.

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milivella

Jesus Petry

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Apr 16, 2012, 4:30:25 PM4/16/12
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"milivella" <mili...@gmail.com> wrote:
>You have three days (deadline 19 April, 23:59 GMT) to send me an email
>at
>mili...@gmail.com to create a Spanish player:
>
>1. Name him.

Platillo Volante

>2. Pick one position where he'll be natural (20/20), and then four
>more in
>preference order among the ones after the plus sign: he'll be accomplished
>
>(17/20) in the first, competent (13/20) in the second, unconvincing
>(10/20)
>in the third, awkward (7/20) in the fourth.

DM MC DC DL

>3. Maximize (or minimize) just one of the following attribute:

Minimize Injury Proneness


Tchau!
Jesus Petry

MH

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Apr 16, 2012, 3:51:23 PM4/16/12
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On 12-04-16 1:22 PM, milivella wrote:
> You have three days (deadline 19 April, 23:59 GMT) to send me an email
> at mili...@gmail.com to create a Spanish player:
>
> 1. Name him.
>
> 2. Pick one position where he'll be natural (20/20), and then four more
> in preference order among the ones after the plus sign: he'll be
> accomplished (17/20) in the first, competent (13/20) in the second,
> unconvincing (10/20) in the third, awkward (7/20) in the fourth.
> GK
> SW + DC, DL, WBL, DR, WBR, MC, DM

SW = Sweeper ?

WB = Wing back ?
DC = Central defender ?

Aren't these choices kind of old fashioned? What about a John Charles ?
Equally adept at striker or central defender.

milivella

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Apr 16, 2012, 3:52:36 PM4/16/12
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Jesus Petry:

> "milivella" <mili...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>You have three days (deadline 19 April, 23:59 GMT) to send me an email
>>at
>>mili...@gmail.com to create a Spanish player:

It's OK if you post your player on the ng, but be aware that you can make
private changes before the deadline. Anyway, there's one thing to fix:

>>2. Pick one position where he'll be natural (20/20), and then four
>>more in
>>preference order among the ones after the plus sign: he'll be accomplished
>>
>>(17/20) in the first, competent (13/20) in the second, unconvincing
>>(10/20)
>>in the third, awkward (7/20) in the fourth.
>
> DM MC DC DL

Maybe you forgot to tell what's his natural position?

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milivella

MH

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Apr 16, 2012, 3:53:41 PM4/16/12
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On 12-04-16 1:22 PM, milivella wrote:
> You have three days (deadline 19 April, 23:59 GMT) to send me an email
> at mili...@gmail.com to create a Spanish player:
>
> 1. Name him.

Salvador Salvatodo

>
> 2. Pick one position where he'll be natural (20/20), and then four more
> in preference order among the ones after the plus sign: he'll be
> accomplished (17/20) in the first, competent (13/20) in the second,
> unconvincing (10/20) in the third, awkward (7/20) in the fourth.
> GK

GK. I guess I don't get second choices.

> SW + DC, DL, WBL, DR, WBR, MC, DM
> DL + SW, DC, WBL, DR, WBR, DM
> DC + SW, DL, WBL, DR, WBR, DM
> DR + SW, DC, DL, WBL, WBR, MC, DM
> WBL + SW, DC, DL, DR, WBR, ML, AML, MC, DM
> WBR + SW, DC, DL, WBL, DR, MC, DM, MR, AMR
> DM + SW, DC, DL, WBL, DR, WBR, MC
> ML + WBL, AML, MC, AMC, MR, AMR, ST
> MC + SW, WBL, DR, WBR, ML, AML, DM, AMC, MR, AMR
> MR + WBR, ML, AML, MC, AMC, AMR, ST
> AML + WBL, ML, MC, AMC, MR, AMR, ST
> AMC + ML, AML, MC, MR, AMR, ST
> AMR + WBR, ML, AML, MC, DM, AMC, MR, ST
> ST + ML, AML, AMC, MR, AMR
>
> 3. Maximize (or minimize) just one of the following attribute:
> [Mental]
>
> Reflexes

Reflexes for sure.

milivella

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Apr 16, 2012, 3:54:09 PM4/16/12
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> - Contracted for Marino de Luanco (Spanish third division) since 1 January
> 2010 for three years.
> - Past: 1095 Days (3 years) at Marino de Luanco.
> - Current ability as the average Marino de Luanco player.
> - Reputation as the average Marino de Luanco player.

Replace "Marino de Luanco" with "Vecindario" (Marino didn't play in Segunda
B in 2010-11, I had checked the wrong season).

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milivella

Jesus Petry

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Apr 16, 2012, 4:56:37 PM4/16/12
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Fail on my part! I'll send you the correct data by email.


Tchau!
Jesus Petry

milivella

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Apr 16, 2012, 4:04:30 PM4/16/12
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Jesus Petry:

> Fail on my part!

Not at all, bad wording by me.

> I'll send you the correct data by email.

Received. By the way, if I don't reply to the email, send it again!

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milivella

milivella

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Apr 16, 2012, 4:06:37 PM4/16/12
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MH:

> SW = Sweeper ?
>
> WB = Wing back ?
> DC = Central defender ?

Yes, yes, and yes. Sorry, I should have expanded them.

> Aren't these choices kind of old fashioned?

Why? However, they are FM positions, and the positions that are positively
correlated to them in FM.

> What about a John Charles ? Equally adept at striker or central defender.

Eh, it's late to discuss about it, you let Clément and Futbolmetrix decide.
:)

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milivella

Real Mardin

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Apr 16, 2012, 5:01:36 PM4/16/12
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On Apr 16, 8:22 pm, "milivella" <milive...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You have three days (deadline 19 April, 23:59 GMT) to send me an email at
> milive...@gmail.com to create a Spanish player:
>
> 1. Name him.

Jose Unidos Sandinista


>
> 2. Pick one position where he'll be natural (20/20), and then four more in
> preference order among the ones after the plus sign: he'll be accomplished
> (17/20) in the first, competent (13/20) in the second, unconvincing (10/20)
> in the third, awkward (7/20) in the fourth.


Natural - MC

Accomplished - MR

Competent - DR

Unconvincing - AMR

Awkward - WBR


>
> 3. Maximize (or minimize) just one of the following attribute:

Creativity, please.

Many thanks, Sir!


RM

Futbolmetrix

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Apr 17, 2012, 6:06:32 PM4/17/12
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On 4/16/2012 3:22 PM, milivella wrote:

Sent in my entry, but I still have to decide on a suitable name...

D

milivella

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Apr 18, 2012, 3:31:41 PM4/18/12
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> You have three days (deadline 19 April, 23:59 GMT) to send me an email at
> mili...@gmail.com to create a Spanish player:

24 hours (indeed more) to go.

There are 8 players already:
Clément
El Kot
Futbolmetrix
Jesus Petry
Mark V.
MH
Real Mardin
Sid

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milivella

milivella

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Apr 20, 2012, 8:57:50 AM4/20/12
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The 2010-11 seasons is being simulated, and when it will be over I'll post
the screenshots. But now I want to tell you the names (since they're very
funny) and the positions (since I'm evil! I guess that just two of you will
sleep tonight). Here they are:

Clément: Perro Andaluz
AMR

El Kot: Tortillo Patato
AMR

Futbolmetrix: Inigo Montoya
MC

Jesus Petry: Platillo Volante
DM

Lléo: Arbol del Bosque
DC

Mark V.: Predrag Krkic
DM

MH: Salvador Salvatodo
GK

Real Mardin: Jose Unidos Sandinista
MC

Sid: ¡No pasarán!
AMR

Werner Pichler: Ramón Jamón
MR

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Boring details

Some specifications to the simulation details:

- Born on 1 January 1992 (since the game will start in 2010-11, he'll be 18
year old) in Madrid, country Spain.
- Contracted for Vecindario (Spanish third division) since 1 January 2010
for three years.
- Wage: 9 euro a week.
- Perfect knowledge of the Spanish language.
- Past: 1095 Days (3 years) at Vecindario.
- Current ability as the average Vecindario player (82/200).
- Potential ability as Messi's peak (197/200).
- Reputation as the average Vecindario player (current and home 76/200,
international 51/200).
- Ineffectual (3/20) in any position but the ones you've chosen.
- Apart from the attribute you maximized (or minimized), his attributes will
be automatically chosen by Football Manager according to the positions
you've chosen.

I'll simulate the following competitions (full details of every match):
- Spain: division 1 to 3 + cups (there are no Spanish youth or reserve
competitions in Football Manager)
- England, Germany, Italy, France: division 1 + cups
- European cups
- International football: all world and European competitions, including
youth competitions

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milivella

Sid

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Apr 20, 2012, 9:20:10 AM4/20/12
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* milivella [2012-04-20 07:57] [rec.sport.soccer]:
> The 2010-11 seasons is being simulated, and when it will be over I'll post
> the screenshots. But now I want to tell you the names (since they're very
> funny) and the positions (since I'm evil! I guess that just two of you will
> sleep tonight). Here they are:
>
> Clément: Perro Andaluz
> AMR
>
> El Kot: Tortillo Patato
> AMR
>
> Sid: ¡No pasarán!
> AMR
>
> Werner Pichler: Ramón Jamón
> MR


And there goes the season. My player's name seems very ominous right
now.

Sid
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Mark V.

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Apr 20, 2012, 10:25:49 AM4/20/12
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On Apr 20, 5:57 am, "milivella" <milive...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Futbolmetrix: Inigo Montoya


Holy chit, was I *this* close to choosing this myself!!! (Holds index
finger and thumb about three mm. apart.)

Futbolmetrix

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Apr 20, 2012, 11:49:08 AM4/20/12
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Sort of a boring name, no? The others I was considering were the following:

Jamon Quesadillo
Jose-Pericles Huevos y Bacon (see Asterix in Spain)
Miguel Angel Cabezapelada
Aitor Arroitajauregi
Cesc Infallible
Jose-Manuel Tiquitaquense

In fact, if it's still possible, I would like to change my Frankie's
name to Huevos y Bacon...

D

milivella

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Apr 20, 2012, 12:20:53 PM4/20/12
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Futbolmetrix:
Like I needed one more reason to hate you...

(background: _I_ told Futbolmetrix to pick Inigo among the names he was
considering)

However, we're in February 2011, so no, you can't change your Frankie's
name!

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milivella

Clément

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Apr 20, 2012, 12:47:46 PM4/20/12
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"Futbolmetrix" escreveu:
> On 4/20/2012 10:25 AM, Mark V. wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 5:57 am, "milivella" wrote:
>>
>>> Futbolmetrix: Inigo Montoya
>>
>> Holy chit, was I *this* close to choosing this myself!!! (Holds index
>> finger and thumb about three mm. apart.)
>
> Sort of a boring name, no? The others I was considering were the
> following:
>
> Jamon Quesadillo
> Jose-Pericles Huevos y Bacon (see Asterix in Spain)
> Miguel Angel Cabezapelada
> Aitor Arroitajauregi
> Cesc Infallible
> Jose-Manuel Tiquitaquense

The other names I considered:

Enano Genérico, a small and skilled midfielder
Manuel "Paco" Cojones de Toro, a rugged defender


Abraço,

Luiz Melo

Futbolmetrix

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Apr 20, 2012, 3:29:31 PM4/20/12
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On 4/20/2012 12:20 PM, milivella wrote:
> Futbolmetrix:
>
> Like I needed one more reason to hate you...
>
> (background: _I_ told Futbolmetrix to pick Inigo among the names he was
> considering)
>
> However, we're in February 2011, so no, you can't change your Frankie's
> name!

Boooh! Evil gamemaster! What about Cassius Clay --> Muhammad Ali? Lew
Alcindor --> Kareem Abdul Jabbar? Ron Artest --> Metta World Peace?
Luiz Nazario da Lima --> Ronaldo --> Fat Ronaldo?

D

milivella

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Apr 20, 2012, 4:19:14 PM4/20/12
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I don't have time to run the full update today, but we can use this time to
check if everything it's OK. I'll post all the screenshots here:
http://rssclash.altervista.org/php5/index.php?dir=frank2/
Right now there is only Perro Andaluz (Luiz' player).

---

Player filename format: xxyyza

xx: player name (initials)

yy: season (alst two digits)

z:
- g = General
- h = History
- i = Injuries
- p = Positions
- s = Stats
- t = status in Team

a: progressive number if the screen needs scrolling

---

Leage filename format: bbbc-yy

bbb: nation (FIFA code)

c: division

yy: season (last two digits)

---

OK?

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milivella

Futbolmetrix

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Apr 20, 2012, 5:12:30 PM4/20/12
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On 4/20/2012 4:19 PM, milivella wrote:
> I don't have time to run the full update today, but we can use this time
> to check if everything it's OK. I'll post all the screenshots here:
> http://rssclash.altervista.org/php5/index.php?dir=frank2/
> Right now there is only Perro Andaluz (Luiz' player).
>

Cool. Perro has already been snapped up by a good Genoa side, and is
listed as a Hot Prospect. By the way, will you reveal the player's
choices during the game, or only at the end?

It looks as if Luiz has focused so far on making Perro very fast. Or
maybe on his passing skills.



> ---
>
> Player filename format: xxyyza
>
> xx: player name (initials)
>
> yy: season (alst two digits)
>
> z:
> - g = General
> - h = History
> - i = Injuries
> - p = Positions
> - s = Stats
> - t = status in Team
>
> a: progressive number if the screen needs scrolling
>
> ---
>
> Leage filename format: bbbc-yy
>
> bbb: nation (FIFA code)
>
> c: division
>
> yy: season (last two digits)
>
> ---
>
> OK?


Yes, but the two screens that supposedly need scrolling seem to be
showing the same thing.

D

milivella

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Apr 20, 2012, 5:40:52 PM4/20/12
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Futbolmetrix:

> Perro has already been snapped up by a good Genoa side, and is listed as a
> Hot Prospect. By the way, will you reveal the player's choices during the
> game, or only at the end?

I haven't a strong opinion about it. I'd go for revealing them during the
game (I guess it's more fun to see what are the effects of everyone's
choices), but if most of you want otherwise, it's OK. Please let me know.

>> Player filename format: xxyyza
>>
>> xx: player name (initials)
>>
>> yy: season (alst two digits)
>>
>> z:
>> - g = General
>> - h = History
>> - i = Injuries
>> - p = Positions
>> - s = Stats
>> - t = status in Team
>>
>> a: progressive number if the screen needs scrolling
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Leage filename format: bbbc-yy
>>
>> bbb: nation (FIFA code)
>>
>> c: division
>>
>> yy: season (last two digits)
>>
>> ---
>>
>> OK?
>
>
> Yes, but the two screens that supposedly need scrolling seem to be showing
> the same thing.

You're pretty much right, but there's a reason why I chose to post them.

History shows the details of the matches that Perro played for Vecindario
(#1) and Genoa (#2) in the bottom part of the screen. He never played for
Vecindario, but without screen #1 you wouldn't know that he didn't even
played in a non-competitive match for them.

Likewise, stats #2 doesn't add any information in this case, but if I didn't
post it one could wonder whether Perro made "mistakes leading to goals".
This way you know that he didn't.

Oh, and I'll create a folder for each player (and for each league). We'll
soon have hundreds of files, and I guess that such folders will make the
whole things quicker to browse.

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milivella

milivella

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Apr 23, 2012, 5:51:17 PM4/23/12
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The data
--------

http://rssclash.altervista.org/php5/index.php?dir=frank2/

Player folder name format: xx = player name (initials)

Player file name format: xxyyza
xx = player name (initials)
yy = season (alst two digits)
z =
- b: Biography
- g: General
- h: History
- i: Injuries
- m: Manager
- p: Positions
- s: Stats
- t: status in Team
a = progressive number if the screen needs scrolling

Leage folder name format: bbbc
bbb = nation (FIFA code)
c = division

Leage file name format: bbbc-yy
bbb = nation (FIFA code)
c = division
yy = season (last two digits)



The players
-----------

Clément: Perro Andaluz
AMR AML MR AMC ST
2010 Pace

El Kot: Tortillo Patato
AMR AMC ST MR MC
2010 Minimize Injury Proneness

Futbolmetrix: Inigo Montoya
MC MR ML AMC DM
2010 Temperament

Jesus Petry: Platillo Volante
DM MC DC DL DR
2010 Minimize Injury

Lléo: Arbol del Bosque
DC SW DM WBL DL
2010 Positioning

Mark V.: Predrag Krkic
DM MC SW DC DR
2010 Work Rate

MH: Salvador Salvatodo
GK
2010 Reflexes

Real Mardin: Jose Unidos Sandinista
MC MR DR AMR WBR
2010 Creativity

Sid: ¡No pasarán!
AMR MR WBR AML ML
2010 Crossing

Werner Pichler: Ramón Jamón
MR MC WBR AMC ST
2010 Creativity



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milivella

milivella

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Apr 23, 2012, 5:56:52 PM4/23/12
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I've also created a "zip" folder. There you find a zip file for each season
(it contains all the screeshots), for your convenience if you prefer to
download the files on your HD and browse them from there.

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milivella

Futbolmetrix

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Apr 23, 2012, 6:13:46 PM4/23/12
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Perfect. I'm already wracking my brain, and trying to think what the
optimal strategy is from here onwards...

D

Futbolmetrix

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Apr 24, 2012, 11:38:49 AM4/24/12
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I mean, the big question is: do we try to enhance even more the
attributes which we think are already strong, or do we try to strengthen
the areas of weakness?

D

milivella

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Apr 24, 2012, 6:25:17 PM4/24/12
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What to do
----------

You have exactly 36 hours to send me an email at mili...@gmail.com to
maximize (or minimize) just one of the following attribute:
The data
--------

Browse them...
http://rssclash.altervista.org/php5/index.php?dir=frank2/
...or download them:
http://rssclash.altervista.org/php5/index.php?dir=frank2/zip/&file=12.zip

Player folder name format: xx = player name (initials)

Player file name format: xxyyza
xx = player name (initials)
yy = season (alst two digits)
z =
- b: Biography
- g: General
- h: History
- i: Injuries
- m: Manager
- p: Positions
- s: Stats
- t: status in Team
a = progressive number if the screen needs scrolling

League folder name format: bbbc
bbb = nation (FIFA code)
c = division

League file name format: bbbc-yy

milivella

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Apr 24, 2012, 6:28:53 PM4/24/12
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> What to do
> ----------
>
> You have exactly 36 hours to send me an email at mili...@gmail.com to
> maximize (or minimize) just one of the following attribute

s

...Also, let me remind that at the end of the game four rankings will be
computed:
- caps
- top-tier league trophies
- higher wage (considering the highest wage in career)
- higher rating average

First place in each category gets 7 points, second gets 4 points, 3rd gets
3, 4th gets 2, 5th gets 1, everyone else gets 0.

Add the points in all categories and you have the winner.

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milivella

Futbolmetrix

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Apr 25, 2012, 9:50:00 AM4/25/12
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On 4/24/2012 6:25 PM, milivella wrote:
> What to do
> ----------
>
> You have exactly 36 hours to send me an email at mili...@gmail.com to
> maximize (or minimize) just one of the following attribute:

Some questions:

- We are completely unrestricted in our choice of which attribute to
maximize, right? That is, if we've chosen before to maximize a Mental
attribute, we can choose a second Mental attribute, right?

- If we maximize a given attribute, does that have an effect on any of
the other attributes? For example, in real life, if one were to work
very intensely on Strength, he would probably lose a bit in Agility. is
that the case here too? Or is it one of those things that we are not
supposed to know, and that we need to find out?

- Could you remind us exactly what it means to maximize an attribute?
Does it mean that we make that player immediately reach his full
potential in that attribute? Or beyond his full potential? Or do we
improve his full potential, but it will still take time until the player
reaches that potential?

>
> The players
> -----------

Many have been snapped up by top teams in England, Italy and Spain,
but as far as I can tell, only Arbol Del Bosque has had any taste
of NT duty so far, with Spain's U21 squad.

> Futbolmetrix: Inigo Montoya
> MC MR ML AMC DM
> 2010 Temperament

My Inigo did well at Vecindario and was snapped up by Valencia, but has
been rotting on the bench for the whole season. What to do to catch the
coach's attention?


D

milivella

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Apr 25, 2012, 1:59:00 PM4/25/12
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Futbolmetrix:

> Some questions:
>
> - We are completely unrestricted in our choice of which attribute to
> maximize, right? That is, if we've chosen before to maximize a Mental
> attribute, we can choose a second Mental attribute, right?

Right.

> - If we maximize a given attribute, does that have an effect on any of the
> other attributes? For example, in real life, if one were to work very
> intensely on Strength, he would probably lose a bit in Agility. is that
> the case here too? Or is it one of those things that we are not supposed
> to know, and that we need to find out?

Well, not even I know! I guess it will be easy for you to find it at the
next update though, since some player's attributes are visible by now, and
you'll know what attribute his creator will have maximized.

This said, some useless speculation. I'm sure that in the exact moment I
change (i.e. maximize or minimize) the attribute the other attributes remain
the same. And I don't think that the game "reacts" to the change later,
because the change is made by an external software, so for the game it's
like that player has always been wonderful in that attribute (or so I guess,
we'll see).

> - Could you remind us exactly what it means to maximize an attribute? Does
> it mean that we make that player immediately reach his full potential in
> that attribute? Or beyond his full potential? Or do we improve his full
> potential, but it will still take time until the player reaches that
> potential?

You make that player 100% (20/20) able in that attribute. Take it with a
grain of salt, but AFAIK it means that if you e.g. maximize Corners you
instantly make him the best corner taker _in the world_, even if he sucks in
everything else.

At least now that the current total ability of each Frankie is way less than
his potential total ability, I _guess_ that a side effect is that the
current total ability instantly grows to "make space" to the attribute that
has been maximized (what if the current ability has already matched
potential ability? maybe in _this_ scenario the game "reacts" lowering some
other attributes? if so, which ones?).

Of course if you want me to take notes so that I'll be able to answer more
precisely to your questions #2 and #3, feel free to ask for it. I don't just
do it without pressure because I'm trying to cut time where possible.

>> The players
>> -----------
>
> Many have been snapped up by top teams in England, Italy and Spain,
> but as far as I can tell, only Arbol Del Bosque has had any taste
> of NT duty so far, with Spain's U21 squad.

I'd like to read everyone's comments. Of course I know that it's early in
their career, there isn't much to say.

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milivella

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Apr 25, 2012, 2:26:41 PM4/25/12
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A very quick Google search made me see that I was probably wrong:

> I'm sure that in the exact moment I change (i.e. maximize or minimize) the
> attribute the other attributes remain the same. And I don't think that the
> game "reacts" to the change later, because the change is made by an
> external software, so for the game it's like that player has always been
> wonderful in that attribute (or so I guess, we'll see).

http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/football-manager-2012-discussion/97593-fmrte-has-anyone-used-experienced-dramatic-attribute-drop-player.html
"if you raise stats, but don't raise his CA, stats will fall elsewhere to
balance it out."
(CA= Current total Ability. PA = Potential total Ability.)

This means that the following bit is also wrong:

> At least now that the current total ability of each Frankie is way less
> than his potential total ability, I _guess_ that a side effect is that the
> current total ability instantly grows to "make space" to the attribute
> that has been maximized (what if the current ability has already matched
> potential ability? maybe in _this_ scenario the game "reacts" lowering
> some other attributes? if so, which ones?).

Also, I've made some experiments before launching the game and I've seen
that the attributes one maximizes don't drop, but since I've just read some
reports that tell otherwise I'll check the attributes you are maximizing to
be sure that they remain high. I'll do it before the next update and, if
there's any problem, I'll go back to the current state of the game, fix the
problem (e.g. by adding some CA points - this should avoid the point drop)
and run the season again.

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Futbolmetrix

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Apr 25, 2012, 2:50:30 PM4/25/12
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On 4/25/2012 2:26 PM, milivella wrote:
>
> Also, I've made some experiments before launching the game and I've seen
> that the attributes one maximizes don't drop, but since I've just read
> some reports that tell otherwise I'll check the attributes you are
> maximizing to be sure that they remain high. I'll do it before the next
> update and, if there's any problem, I'll go back to the current state of
> the game, fix the problem (e.g. by adding some CA points - this should
> avoid the point drop) and run the season again.

I don't think you should do any extra work. The game is doing the right
i.e., realistic) thing by not allowing you to create a superhuman with
incredible Strength and Agility, or Discipline and Aggression.

D

milivella

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Apr 25, 2012, 4:42:02 PM4/25/12
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Futbolmetrix:
Let me explain what I meant: if I'll see that after one season none of the
Frankies will have retained the maximized attribute [1] I'll go back and fix
it. I guess you agree?

If the game accepts some changes (e.g. because more realistic or reasonable)
but not others, I'll either think about what to do, or just go on.

---

There's one more thing I want to say. Lately the theme of realism have been
cited here and there about Frankickerstein. I think that it's generally a
very interesting and broad theme, and that even specifically for this game
there are several possible different opinions, all grounded. So I can't say
anything final for more than one reason.

The way I see it, this game is about seeing the _realistic_ effects
(assuming that Football Manager is the most realistic simulation around, and
at least a bit realistic) of an _irrealistic_ premise (remember, the first
concept was a wizard magically helping a player, and the Frankenstein
monster is quite fantastic too).

If realism was the only aim, the best thing to do would be working only
_inside_ the game, with training. E.g. all the players tied to the same club
for their whole career, the gamemaster manages the team and make each player
train according to the creator's wish, the player with most international
caps wins. Something like this.

I.e. Frankickerstein wasn't conceived as realistic, as far as your actions
are concerned (while hopefully realistic on the effect side). If we want
realism, it isn't a given that this format is the best way to go: let's
think about some other solution. [2]

---

[1] Of course it's OK if he'll lose a couple of points: I mean if it will be
like you haven't changed anything.

[2] I've learnt the Forking Paths lesson: I conceived it like a way to have
fun together, and trying to adapt it to a different requirement (i.e. having
some cause-effect link) didn't work. I had to totally change the original
idea (we hadn't the chance to see if the second idea fulfilled the
requirement, BTW).

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Clément

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Apr 26, 2012, 8:45:36 AM4/26/12
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"milivella" escreveu:
> What to do
> ----------
>
> You have exactly 36 hours to send me an email at mili...@gmail.com to
> maximize (or minimize) just one of the following attribute:

I'm afraid I missed this deadline, but the truth is I didn't even have time
to look at the screenshots yet. =(

Will get around to it ASAP.

Futbolmetrix

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Apr 26, 2012, 8:58:37 AM4/26/12
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Oops, did I miss the deadline too? After having studied carefully all
the options? Hopefully the evil gamemaster will accept a late submission...

D


milivella

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Apr 26, 2012, 10:44:02 AM4/26/12
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Sorry, I meant 72 hours. The rules say 3 days, you know.

So the deadline is April 27, 22:30 GMT.

By the way, so far El Kot, Futbolmetrix, Jesus Petry, Sid and Werner Pichler
upgraded their player.

So the missing ones are you (Clément), Lléo, Mark V., MH and Real Mardin.
You have more than 30 hours to upgrade! :)

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milivella

Clément

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Apr 27, 2012, 8:38:18 PM4/27/12
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"milivella" escreveu:
> Futbolmetrix:
>> Many have been snapped up by top teams in England, Italy and Spain,
>> but as far as I can tell, only Arbol Del Bosque has had any taste
>> of NT duty so far, with Spain's U21 squad.
>
> I'd like to read everyone's comments. Of course I know that it's early in
> their career, there isn't much to say.

I like it that El Perrito is working with a coach that good with youngsters,
and that he's still considered a hot prospect.

However, at age 20 I'd expect him to be seeing more first team action? Maybe
I'm impatient.

I'll check how the others are doing.

Abraço,

Luiz Mello

MH

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Apr 28, 2012, 11:34:23 AM4/28/12
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Missed this. Could you please start new threads every time we need to
upgrade. I would like Bravery if that is still an option for this round
> --
> Cheers
> milivella

milivella

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Apr 29, 2012, 8:12:18 AM4/29/12
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MH:

> Missed this. Could you please start new threads every time we need to
> upgrade.

OK, I'll do it. I didn't do it because I didn't want to pollute the ng and
because I saw that almost everyone saw the post and upgraded his Frankie
(only you and Mark didn't).

> I would like Bravery if that is still an option for this round

I'm adding Bravery to your Frankie in May 2013 (I've already simulated the
2012-13 season and taken 30% of the screenshots).

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milivella

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Apr 29, 2012, 6:20:23 PM4/29/12
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Done. I'm upgrading Salvatodo and letting next season run. Have fun.



The data
--------

Browse them...
http://rssclash.altervista.org/php5/index.php?dir=frank2/
...or download them:
http://rssclash.altervista.org/php5/index.php?dir=frank2/zip/&file=13.zip

Folder name format: xx = player name (initials)

File name format: yyxx-za
yy = season (last two digits)
xx = player name (initials)
z =
- b: Biography
- g: General
- h: History
- i: Injuries
- m: Manager
- p: Positions
- s: Stats
- t: status in Team, and Team's placement in league
a = progressive number if the screen needs scrolling

(Screenshots will be a bit better starting from next update.)



The players
-----------

Clément: Perro Andaluz
AMR AML MR AMC ST
2010 Pace
2012 Determination

El Kot: Tortillo Patato
AMR AMC ST MR MC
2010 Minimize Injury Proneness
2012 Technique

Futbolmetrix: Inigo Montoya
MC MR ML AMC DM
2010 Temperament
2012 Professionalism

Jesus Petry: Platillo Volante
DM MC DC DL DR
2010 Minimize Injury
2012 Pace

Lléo: Arbol del Bosque
DC SW DM WBL DL
2010 Positioning
2012 Marking

Mark V.: Predrag Krkic
DM MC SW DC DR
2010 Work Rate
2012 -

MH: Salvador Salvatodo
GK
2010 Reflexes
2013 Bravery

Real Mardin: Jose Unidos Sandinista
MC MR DR AMR WBR
2010 Creativity
2012 Passing

Sid: ¡No pasarán!
AMR MR WBR AML ML
2010 Crossing
2012 Pace

Werner Pichler: Ramón Jamón
MR MC WBR AMC ST
2010 Creativity
2012 Work Rate



The rules
---------

At the end of the game four rankings will be computed:
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