Who has more Premiership medals than Slippy G?

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Alex Manniger



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Luke Chadwick



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Darren Ferguson



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Tomasz Kuszczak - winner in 2007, 2008 and 2011



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Ronnie Wallwork



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Roy Carroll



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Jordi Cruyff



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John O'Shea



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> Alex Manniger

That's Alex ManniNger thank you very much!!!

Robbie Slater
Mark Bosnich
Costel Pantilimon
Martin Demichelis
Javi Garcia
Anders Lindegaard
Alexander Büttner
Shinji Kagawa
Mario Balotelli
Adam Johnson
Nigel de Jong
Stefan Savić
Darron Gibson
Michael Owen
Fabio
Gerard Pique
Alan Smith

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Ian Pearce
Stuart Ripley
Henrik Larsson
Kieran Richardson
Laurent Blanc
Karel Poborský
Christopher Wreh
Jason WIlcox
Mike Newell
Jesper Blomqvist
Mike Phelan
Clayton Blackmore
Mateja Kezman
Alexey Smertin
Pascal Cygan
Jérémie Aliadière
Stuart Taylor
Oleh Luzhny
Stephen Hughes
Remi Garde
Luís Boa Morte

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>> Alex Manniger
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>That's Alex ManniNger thank you very much!!!
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>Robbie Slater
>Mark Bosnich
>Costel Pantilimon
>Martin Demichelis
>Javi Garcia
>Anders Lindegaard
>Alexander Büttner
>Shinji Kagawa
>Mario Balotelli
>Adam Johnson
>Nigel de Jong

>Stefan Savi?

>Darron Gibson
>Michael Owen
>Fabio
>Gerard Pique
>Alan Smith

Jose Antonio Reyes



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>> Alex Manniger
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>That's Alex ManniNger thank you very much!!!
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>Robbie Slater
>Mark Bosnich
>Costel Pantilimon
>Martin Demichelis
>Javi Garcia
>Anders Lindegaard
>Alexander Büttner
>Shinji Kagawa
>Mario Balotelli
>Adam Johnson
>Nigel de Jong

>Stefan Savi?

>Darron Gibson
>Michael Owen
>Fabio
>Gerard Pique
>Alan Smith

Jesper Blomqvist



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Gilles Grimandi
Chris Sutton
Paul Warhurst
Tony Gale
Mark Atkins
Louis Saha
Fabien Barthez
Raimond van der Gouw
Paul "Fucking" Parker
David May
Robert "Horse" Huth
Gaël Clichy
Paulo "Where is he now" Ferreira x 3?

Damn some average players have got medals!!!

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On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:08:30 +1100, "The Scrutineer"
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>> Alex Manniger
>
>That's Alex ManniNger thank you very much!!!
>
>Robbie Slater
>Mark Bosnich
>Costel Pantilimon
>Martin Demichelis
>Javi Garcia
>Anders Lindegaard
>Alexander Büttner
>Shinji Kagawa
>Mario Balotelli
>Adam Johnson
>Nigel de Jong

>Stefan Savi?

>Darron Gibson
>Michael Owen
>Fabio
>Gerard Pique
>Alan Smith

Nwankwo Kanu



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Mike Newell



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But Slippy G has zero



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On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 22:29:36 -0500, RED DEVIL <Redev...@charter.net>
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David Batty was awarded one and turned it down. He should have given
it to Slippy




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my god

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Steven Gerrard
Paul McGrath
Les Ferdinand
David Ginola
Luis Suarez
Gareth Bale

Won PFA Player of the year awards, but no EPL title!!!

I think Suarez/Ginola have won league titles...

[Jesper Lauridsen]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:17:39 +1100, "The Scrutineer"
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>Damn some average players have got medals!!!

It's almost as if it's a team award with little relevance to the
quality of the player.

Bernd Dreher has 7 Bundesliga titles - only two players in history has
more! (Also 5 cups, 1 CL and 1 UEFA Cup)

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On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 1:23:35 PM UTC-5, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

> >Damn some average players have got medals!!!
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> It's almost as if it's a team award with little relevance to the
> quality of the player.

Oh, so you mean the inference was that player X is bad because they have never won Y medal?

[Futbolmetrix]

On 1/13/2015 1:24 PM, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
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> It's almost as if it's a team award with little relevance to the
> quality of the player.
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> Bernd Dreher has 7 Bundesliga titles - only two players in history has
> more! (Also 5 cups, 1 CL and 1 UEFA Cup)

Interesting. Which players are the record holders for league titles in
various European leagues?

In Serie A it's Rosetta, Ferrari, Furino, Ferrara and Del Piero with 8
(Ferrara is listed at 7 on the wikipedia page, Del Piero at 6, but those
numbers are wrong). Buffon could join the group this year but it's quite
unlikely, as Roma will likely win the scudetto.

In England Ryan Giggs has 13 "Premier League" medals. I suspect that
nobody else comes even close even if you count all the history of
English top flight football.

In Germany (Bundesliga only) the record holders are Kahn and Scholl with 8.

In Spain, Francisco Gento has 12.

In France, five players with seven titles: Govou, Coupet, Juninho
Larque` and Revelli


Which reminds me, we have to get back to "not a mystery"

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On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 16:08:41 -0500, Futbolmetrix
<futbol...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 1/13/2015 1:24 PM, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
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>> It's almost as if it's a team award with little relevance to the
>> quality of the player.
>>
>> Bernd Dreher has 7 Bundesliga titles - only two players in history has
>> more! (Also 5 cups, 1 CL and 1 UEFA Cup)
>
>Interesting. Which players are the record holders for league titles in
>various European leagues?
>
>In Serie A it's Rosetta, Ferrari, Furino, Ferrara and Del Piero with 8
>(Ferrara is listed at 7 on the wikipedia page, Del Piero at 6, but those
>numbers are wrong). Buffon could join the group this year but it's quite
>unlikely, as Roma will likely win the scudetto.
>
>In England Ryan Giggs has 13 "Premier League" medals. I suspect that
>nobody else comes even close even if you count all the history of
>English top flight football.
>

Scholes has 11m Gary Neville 8, Denis Irwin 7, Roy Keane 7, Beckham,
Butt, Phil Neville, Rio Ferdinand, Solksjaer 6, Schmeichel, Andy Cole,
John O'Shea, Rooney, Evra, Wes Brown Vidic, Fletcher. Carrick 5
Cantona, McClair, Pallister, Silvestre, VDS, Park, Anderson, Nani, 4
Ronaldo, Bergkamp, Keown, Parlour, Vieira, A. Cole, Berg, Carvalho,
Cech, Joe Cole, Paulo Ferreira, Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Bruce,
Sharpre, Sherringham, Bruce, Tomasz Kuszczak, Johnny Evans, Clichy,
Rafael 3, Adams, Anelka, Seaman,

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On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 16:08:41 -0500, Futbolmetrix
<futbol...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 1/13/2015 1:24 PM, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
>>
>> It's almost as if it's a team award with little relevance to the
>> quality of the player.
>>
>> Bernd Dreher has 7 Bundesliga titles - only two players in history has
>> more! (Also 5 cups, 1 CL and 1 UEFA Cup)
>
>Interesting. Which players are the record holders for league titles in
>various European leagues?
>
>In Serie A it's Rosetta, Ferrari, Furino, Ferrara and Del Piero with 8
>(Ferrara is listed at 7 on the wikipedia page, Del Piero at 6, but those
>numbers are wrong). Buffon could join the group this year but it's quite
>unlikely, as Roma will likely win the scudetto.
>
>In England Ryan Giggs has 13 "Premier League" medals. I suspect that
>nobody else comes even close even if you count all the history of
>English top flight football.

Scholes has 11



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[Futbolmetrix]

On 1/13/2015 11:22 PM, RED DEVIL wrote:
>>
>> In England Ryan Giggs has 13 "Premier League" medals. I suspect that
>> nobody else comes even close even if you count all the history of
>> English top flight football.
>
> Scholes has 11

Yes, obviously there would be a lot of other representatives from ManU's
successful run of the Ferguson era.

Of non ManU players, Phil Neal would seem to be next in line with 8, but
there could be others.

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Phil Neal has zero Premiership medals



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On 2015-01-14 10:08 AM, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On 1/13/2015 1:24 PM, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
>>
>> It's almost as if it's a team award with little relevance to the
>> quality of the player.
>>
>> Bernd Dreher has 7 Bundesliga titles - only two players in history has
>> more! (Also 5 cups, 1 CL and 1 UEFA Cup)
>
> Interesting. Which players are the record holders for league titles in
> various European leagues?
>

What about league titles in total (allowing them to use several leagues)
? Still might be hard to beat Giggs, but some well travelled Dutchmen
might have a lot altogether from multiple leagues. Dalgish has 10 as
does Trevor Steven. Beckham also has ten in four different leagues.

[Futbolmetrix]

On 1/14/2015 5:59 PM, RED DEVIL wrote:
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> Phil Neal has zero Premiership medals
>

So do Bobby Charlton and George Best. That's why I explicitly said that
one should be looking at the entire history of top-flight English
football, not just the artificial "Premiership" era.

[Jesper Lauridsen]

On 2015-01-13, Futbolmetrix <futbol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting. Which players are the record holders for league titles in
> various European leagues?
>

> In Germany (Bundesliga only) the record holders are Kahn and Scholl with 8.

The pre-Bundesliga days were sufficiently different that it makes since
to make record Bundesliga-only.

Schweinsteiger is currently on 7, so he'll probably join Kahn and Scholl
in April. Schweinsteiger's record has the added curiosity that he also has
7 cup titles - all 7 as part of doubles.

[Jesper Lauridsen]

On 2015-01-15, MH <MHno...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-01-14 10:08 AM, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>>
>> Interesting. Which players are the record holders for league titles in
>> various European leagues?
>
> What about league titles in total (allowing them to use several leagues)
> ? Still might be hard to beat Giggs, but some well travelled Dutchmen
> might have a lot altogether from multiple leagues. Dalgish has 10 as
> does Trevor Steven. Beckham also has ten in four different leagues.

Søren Lerby has 9 (mainly NL). Zlatan officially has 9, 11 if you ask
Futbolmetrix. Puskás has 10.

What about players from unbalanced leagues? Oleksandr Shovkovskiy, GK for
Dynamo Kiev, has 12. They're leading by 5 points, so he could reach 13.

[Sven Mischkies]

Jesper Lauridsen <rors...@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote:

> On 2015-01-13, Futbolmetrix <futbol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting. Which players are the record holders for league titles in
> > various European leagues?
> >
> > In Germany (Bundesliga only) the record holders are Kahn and Scholl with 8.
>
> The pre-Bundesliga days were sufficiently different that it makes since
> to make record Bundesliga-only.

For this in particular it is kinda silly to make it Bundesliga only -
before the Bundesliga one or two club dominations were short lived
(Nuernberg/HSV in the 20s, Schalke in the 30s). Record pre-Bundesliga is
probably someone from Schalke with 5 or so.


Ciao,
SM
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[Binder Dundat]

I would guess one of the Walter bros from Kaiserslautern in the 50's

>
> Ciao,
> SM
>

[Bruce D. Scott]

Binder Dundat <dun...@nogmail.com> wrote:

|> I would guess one of the Walter bros from Kaiserslautern in the 50's

They just won two in the 1950s and then two more in the 90s.
Respectable tally of four, but no record. Since Schalke won all of
their titles over a short period, Sven is probably right suggesting it
would be someone from them. But since FCB won so many in the 1994-2010
phase it is indeed Scholl and Kahn with the record (if you count just
championships, but FCB were also very successful in the Cup over this
phase, so that would just add to it).

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[MH]

On 2015-01-22 3:14 PM, Bruce D. Scott wrote:
> Binder Dundat <dun...@nogmail.com> wrote:
>
> |> I would guess one of the Walter bros from Kaiserslautern in the 50's
>
> They just won two in the 1950s and then two more in the 90s.
> Respectable tally of four, but no record. Since Schalke won all of
> their titles over a short period, Sven is probably right suggesting it
> would be someone from them. But since FCB won so many in the 1994-2010
> phase it is indeed Scholl and Kahn with the record (if you count just
> championships, but FCB were also very successful in the Cup over this
> phase, so that would just add to it).
>

What if you also include east German titles and make them cumulative ?

Sammer comes to 5 that way. Can't think of anyone else like that off hand.

[Binder Dundat]

On 1/21/2015 9:14 PM, Bruce D. Scott wrote:
> Binder Dundat <dun...@nogmail.com> wrote:
>
> |> I would guess one of the Walter bros from Kaiserslautern in the 50's
>
> They just won two in the 1950s and then two more in the 90s.
> Respectable tally of four, but no record. Since Schalke won all of
> their titles over a short period, Sven is probably right suggesting it
> would be someone from them. But since FCB won so many in the 1994-2010
> phase it is indeed Scholl and Kahn with the record (if you count just
> championships, but FCB were also very successful in the Cup over this
> phase, so that would just add to it).
>

I thought Kaiserslautern won more? Just checked, they did win 11
Oberliga titles from 1947 to 1963, but like you said, only two national
titles in that time (4 times runner ups in that time)

[Bruce D. Scott]

To MH: maybe someone from Berliner FC Dynamo, who won 10 in a row 79-88.
http://www.fussballdaten.de/ddr/meister/

To BD: I didn't check Oberliga. Maybe not relevant though since Germany
have had a national champion since circa 1900 (maybe different during
wars). In the North one HSV won every year except 1954. Funny that
there are HSV fans that should complain about Bayern's current dominance :-)

[Sven Mischkies]

IIRC they only won in 51 and 53. No, we'd be looking at the likes of
Szepan and the Kuzorras for Schalke (34, 35, 37, 39, 40, 42), the only
alternative would be Nuernberg (20, 21, 24, 25, 27)


Ciao,
SM
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:P

[Sven Mischkies]

Bruce D. Scott <b...@rzgate.rzg.mpg.de> wrote:

> To MH: maybe someone from Berliner FC Dynamo, who won 10 in a row 79-88.
> http://www.fussballdaten.de/ddr/meister/
>
> To BD: I didn't check Oberliga. Maybe not relevant though since Germany
> have had a national champion since circa 1900 (maybe different during
> wars). In the North one HSV won every year except 1954. Funny that
> there are HSV fans that should complain about Bayern's current dominance :-)

We didnt dominate financially. And you should beware of this example -
as HSV dominated the North (15 of 16 titles) HSV also struggled a lot at
the finals (only 1 title in 15 attempts).


Ciao,
SM
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[Sven Mischkies]

Dynamo Berlin won 10 in a row, but not in any sporting way.


Ciao,
SM
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[Jesper Lauridsen]

On 2015-01-20, Jesper Lauridsen <rors...@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote:
>
> Schweinsteiger is currently on 7, so he'll probably join Kahn and Scholl
> in April. Schweinsteiger's record has the added curiosity that he also has
> 7 cup titles - all 7 as part of doubles.

Forget about all that small stuff; he's currently dating Ana Ivanovic.

[Bruce D. Scott]

So he will be distracted during crunch time?

[Bruce D. Scott]

Sven Mischkies <hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net> wrote:

|> We didnt dominate financially. And you should beware of this example -
|> as HSV dominated the North (15 of 16 titles) HSV also struggled a lot at
|> the finals (only 1 title in 15 attempts).

Sort of like Bayern in Europe in the 1980s and 90s.