Lizarazu wary of "violent" Uruguay
Majiin Will
Uruguayns more nutso than Argentina in 1990?
Lizarazu warns of violent Uruguay
BOURG SAINT-MAURICE, France, May 10 (Reuters) - World champions France
should get through the first round at the World Cup but are wary of
the violent reputation of their second opponents Uruguay, defender
Bixente Lizarazu said on Friday.
'They have the reputation of being violent and they are very tough in
individual challenges,' the Bayern Munich player said. 'There is only
one way to deal with such a behaviour and that is to make them respect
us physically. But we will have to be smart to avoid having players
sent off.
'Actually, the main fear we have is that they (Uruguay) may turn the
game nasty, as they will gain some advantage from this situation.'
Apart from their recent successes against Brazil, the French have had
some difficulty against South American sides in the past.
En route to their 1998 World Cup triumph, France came very close to
making an early exit against Paraguay in a very tense and balanced
second-round match in which the teams were finally separated by a
Laurent Blanc golden goal in the 114th minute.
'We eventually snatched the victory but it confirmed we always have
had trouble dealing with the South American teams,' said Lizarazu.
The international defender has had a foretaste of what the world
champions can expect when he won the World Club Cup with Bayern Munich
by beating Argentina's Boca Juniors last year.
'I had not played in a match like this one. They (Boca Junior) were
incredibly violent in the physical contact and in their language too.'
'Actually, we found the right answer. We made them respect us
physically and we never lost our cool. Eventually, one of their
players was sent off and we won.'
Lizarazu said he has a pretty good idea of what could happen in the
two other group A games against Senegal and Denmark.
'I guess Senegal will give everything as we take them on in the
opening match. As for Denmark, there is not much to say. We know them
as we face them in almost every finals.'
'But what I'm certain of is that playing Uruguay is not going to be a
great joy.'
Uruguay were the last of the 32 teams to qualify thanks to their win
over Australia in a playoff.
Victoria Barrett
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> Comment: What are the dirtiest thuggiest teams in the WC? Are these
> Uruguayns more nutso than Argentina in 1990?
Uruguay play a similar game to Argentina, only um, harder. OTOH, they get
results in tight matches (as can be evidenced by the recent "friendly" at
RFK) this way. I think Italy can be tough and exhibit those oft-touted
"cultural" traits [Read The Best of RSS, and especially Marcelo's
explanation] such as diving, but thuggy? Don't think so.
So far I have:
Tough teams
Rep. of Ireland
Italy
Rough teams
Uruguay
Argentina
Question: Which WC match do you think will have the greatest number of
fouls/cautions/red cards?
VB: Cameroon v. Republic of Ireland (just a hunch)
Michael Hynes
Victoria Barrett wrote:
>
> Question: Which WC match do you think will have the greatest number of
> fouls/cautions/red cards?
>
> VB: Cameroon v. Republic of Ireland (just a hunch)
That's a hard one, especially not knowing who is referee yet.
Some potential red card festivals:
Mexico-Croatia
France Uruguay
Nigeria - England (though this will depend on previous results and how
desparate they both are)
Portugal - Poland
Croatia - Italy
Cameroon - Germany
Paraguay - Spain
S. Africa -Paraguay
Shussbar
>fouls/cautions/red cards?
Ecuador/Mexico
Naton Pierre
>
> Tough teams
>
> Rep. of Ireland
> Italy
>
>
> Rough teams
>
> Uruguay
> Argentina
>
they go out trying to injure people, I'd disagree. Neither has Uruguay, at
least in the little I've seen of them recently, seem to be playing a nasty
game.
It's not a game for wimps. It's annoying to see that whining has started
before a ball has been kicked.
Victoria Barrett
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> I don't think Argentina can be classified as a "rough" team. If you mean
> they go out trying to injure people, I'd disagree.
As a team ethos, I've no idea as I am not a member. But roughness does form
a traditional part of their game, not adverse to a little on-field
shenanigans to boot. It's that very combination of cynicism and rough play
that bothers me. The same for Uruguay, if not more.
People may say the same for other countries (which is actually the point of
the thread -- name of country and give a reason), that there are others who
are never mentioned, yet are also "guilty", that's fine -- including my own
country, England, if you can sustain that argument. Knock yourselves out.
But not to include these two to bend over backwards in "anti-stereotyping"
is incorrect too.
ABC didn't tell me anything that I didn't see with my own eyes.
> It's not a game for wimps. It's annoying to see that whining has started
> before a ball has been kicked.
Observation and whining are not mutually exclusive, but also should never be
confused with each other. Anything short of that comes from a touchy
defensive posture.
Drimeen
>Question: Which WC match do you think will have the greatest number of
>fouls/cautions/red cards?
>
>VB: Cameroon v. Republic of Ireland (just a hunch)
I predict this game will have a below average number of fouls/cards. It will depend, as someone
pointed out, on who the ref is.
These are 2 tough and physical teams, but they are not dirty teams and neither is known for having
divers or general assorted wusiness. They'll take their knocks and play on.
Like the game is supposed to be played.
MMcC
R.I.P
Seattle Slew
1974 - 7 may 2002
Marcelo Weinberger
> Uruguayns more nutso than Argentina in 1990?
>
> Lizarazu warns of violent Uruguay
And let the media party begin!!
Smart guy this Basque.
Funny coming from the team that had 3 red cards at home in the last WC.
Funny, comming from Vieira's and Petit's teammate.
-- Marcelo
Delta Blues
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It's also funny that he's spot on. Uruguay are a bunch of *goons*, to borrow
a term from the Great White North.
Uruguay:
"When the chips are down hack 'em to the ground.
'When goals are hard to find hack 'em from behind.
'When the games looking rough, go with two studs up!
'Try for the knees, the ankles, the head.
'Sucker punch 'em hard, and fill 'em with dread.
'We know we SUCK, but we'll make sure you bled!
'You can't beat us if you're laying in a hospital bed!"
Marcelo Weinberger
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>
> "Marcelo Weinberger" <mar...@hpl.hp.com> wrote in message
> news:abs39b$74h$1...@hplms2.hpl.hp.com...
> > "Majiin Will" <maji...@cs.com> wrote in message
> > news:d83858eb.02051...@posting.google.com...
> > > Comment: What are the dirtiest thuggiest teams in the WC? Are these
> > > Uruguayns more nutso than Argentina in 1990?
> > >
> > > Lizarazu warns of violent Uruguay
> >
> > And let the media party begin!!
> > Smart guy this Basque.
> > Funny coming from the team that had 3 red cards at home in the last WC.
> > Funny, comming from Vieira's and Petit's teammate.
> >
> > -- Marcelo
>
> It's also funny that he's spot on. Uruguay are a bunch of *goons*, to
borrow
> a term from the Great White North.
Can Delta Blues give me a list of the Uruguay games he saw in the last
ehmmm... decade?
-- Marcelo
sidd
> Comment: What are the dirtiest thuggiest teams in the WC? Are these
> Uruguayns more nutso than Argentina in 1990?
>
And the West European media onslaught has started ...
Its all so old, tiresome and obvious. I guess you guys
really do need the ref to help you win a few this time,
especially against the top African sides.
I still remember how Cameroon were defeated by the ref
in 90, when they could have won it all.
Riffster
Let the Chauvinism begin!!!
- Riff "coming around the turn its the goons, followed by the clowns...."
Ster
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> sid...@hotmail.com (sidd) said:
>
> >I still remember how Cameroon were defeated by the ref
> >in 90, when they could have won it all.
>
> I still remember Maradona's hand of God when England "still had the chance
> to win it all".
>
> Referee: A Tunisian.
>
> --
> In The Beginning There Was Jack
> -- House Music All Nite Long --
Marcelo Weinberger
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> And ..... we're off!
>
> Let the Chauvinism begin!!!
This time around it started about 20 days before the WC; four years ago it
took me like 2 weeks into the WC to decide that r.s.s. was not a healthy
place to visit. Apparently, this time I won't even make it to the WC.
-- Marcelo
Victoria Barrett
You're older than me so the following sounds awkward, Marcelo, but don't be
so touchy _please_. First, almost all of us know and understand that one
match isn't a determinant of quality. Nobody dislikes Uruguay or its team to
the extent of bashing it unnecessarily. That won't prevent people from
mouthing off as per usual here. If everyone were so touchy about critique we
wouldn't have a opinion-centric newsgroup at all.
A lot of people support Uruguay and wish it well here, vocal or not. Count
me in that group. I have been tipping them to do well in this WC almost
daily, lauding its goalkeeper in almost every breath, or do you only notice
when people speak less than glowingly (or in Uru-speak, unfairly) about
Uruguay?
P.S.: By coincidence I was looking up the 1994 RSS posts. Something about
anti-scalping and my favourite RSS'er. But then I noticed the posts which
centred around the Cup. Mama mia...chauvinism? You have no idea. May 2002,
we're no where close to that by a wide margin.
Marcelo Weinberger
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> "Marcelo Weinberger" <mar...@hpl.hp.com> wrote in message
> news:abuttd$5os$1...@hplms2.hpl.hp.com...
> > "Riffster" <neraz...@nowayJOSEattbi.com> wrote in message
> > news:cbCE8.8677$gD6.11693@sccrnsc01...
> >
> > > And ..... we're off!
> > >
> > > Let the Chauvinism begin!!!
> >
> > This time around it started about 20 days before the WC; four years ago
it
> > took me like 2 weeks into the WC to decide that r.s.s. was not a healthy
> > place to visit. Apparently, this time I won't even make it to the WC.
>
> You're older than me so the following sounds awkward, Marcelo, but don't
be
> so touchy _please_. First, almost all of us know and understand that one
> match isn't a determinant of quality. Nobody dislikes Uruguay or its team
to
> the extent of bashing it unnecessarily.
Nothing to do with Uruguay or touchiness: remember that 4 years ago Uruguay
wasn't in the WC.
-- Marcelo
Victoria Barrett
> Nothing to do with Uruguay or touchiness: remember that 4 years ago
Uruguay
> wasn't in the WC.
I'm glad that's the case, Marcelo. OTOH, Argentina was. *g*
sidd
>
> Let the Chauvinism begin!!!
>
Hope that was in response to the initiator of this thread.
Bruce Scott TOK
What an amazing sense of sour grapes you have Marcelo... if you want to
dish it out you have to be able to take it.
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
Bruce Scott TOK
Victoria Barrett <vbar...@the-beach.net> wrote:
>"Marcelo Weinberger" <mar...@hpl.hp.com> wrote in message
>news:abuttd$5os$1...@hplms2.hpl.hp.com...
>> "Riffster" <neraz...@nowayJOSEattbi.com> wrote in message
>> news:cbCE8.8677$gD6.11693@sccrnsc01...
>>
>> > And ..... we're off!
>> >
>> > Let the Chauvinism begin!!!
>>
>> This time around it started about 20 days before the WC; four years ago it
>> took me like 2 weeks into the WC to decide that r.s.s. was not a healthy
>> place to visit. Apparently, this time I won't even make it to the WC.
>
>You're older than me so the following sounds awkward, Marcelo, but don't be
>so touchy _please_. First, almost all of us know and understand that one
>match isn't a determinant of quality. Nobody dislikes Uruguay or its team to
>the extent of bashing it unnecessarily. That won't prevent people from
>mouthing off as per usual here. If everyone were so touchy about critique we
>wouldn't have a opinion-centric newsgroup at all.
>
>A lot of people support Uruguay and wish it well here, vocal or not. Count
>me in that group. I have been tipping them to do well in this WC almost
>daily, lauding its goalkeeper in almost every breath, or do you only notice
>when people speak less than glowingly (or in Uru-speak, unfairly) about
>Uruguay?
It is also worth remembering that Paraguay did not come in for this type
of criticism. The reason is that they play football and don't turn to
thuggery when they are down.
Marcelo Weinberger
> "Marcelo Weinberger" <mar...@hpl.hp.com> said:
>
> >This time around it started about 20 days before the WC; four years ago
it
> >took me like 2 weeks into the WC to decide that r.s.s. was not a healthy
> >place to visit. Apparently, this time I won't even make it to the WC.
>
I'm really not interested in getting involved in any kind of discussions
with this poster, but for the benefit of the newsgroup, I just want to state
that Eurocroto is a term introduced many years ago by Ariel Mazzarelli to
designate second/third tier European NT's (a la Belgium or Slovenia), in the
context of the usual discussions about UEFA's apparent depth, as perceived
by posters from these countries. It has absolutly nothing to do with any
kind of chauvinism, as discussed in this thread.
-- Marcelo
Magnus Homann
So it's used in a denigrating way. I'm amazed you don't acknowledge it.
Homann
--
Magnus Homann, M.Sc. CS & E
d0a...@dtek.chalmers.se
Philip Lennox Beineke
>I'm really not interested in getting involved in any kind of discussions
Judging by the responses you received, this seems like a
sensible attitude.
P
--
Phil Beineke bei...@stanford.edu
Gabriel Rossetto
> It is also worth remembering that Paraguay did not come in for this type
> of criticism. The reason is that they play football and don't turn to
> thuggery when they are down.
Now, my, my... A Bayern fan complaining about Anti-Football.
What goes around...
Gabriel Rossetto
ros...@ic.unicamp.br
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Brian: You have to be different!
The Crowd: Yes, we are all different!
Small lonely voice: I'm not different!
Marcelo Weinberger
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Of course it is, in the sense that it has been used to express lack of
appreciation for the level of the football shown. The word "croto" comes
from the Argentinean/Uruguayan slang, and I really can't find an equivalent
word in English. It somehow refers to a sense of poverty/lousiness, i.e.,
poor soccer in this case. I hope this helps.
-- Marcelo
Magnus Homann
> "Magnus Homann" <d0a...@mis.dtek.chalmers.se> wrote in message
> news:ltptztw...@mis.dtek.chalmers.se...
> > So it's used in a denigrating way. I'm amazed you don't acknowledge it.
>
> Of course it is, in the sense that it has been used to express lack of
> appreciation for the level of the football shown. The word "croto" comes
> from the Argentinean/Uruguayan slang, and I really can't find an equivalent
> word in English. It somehow refers to a sense of poverty/lousiness, i.e.,
> poor soccer in this case. I hope this helps.
Thanks, I had no idea what it meant and whence it came!
ingrid
"Shussbar" <crys...@aol.comnospam> a écrit dans le message de news:
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Jesper Lauridsen
And if they get cards, both teams have their excuses ready:
"The foriegn cheats dive all the time" (Ireland) and "referees
doesn't understandt the African way of playing" (Cameroon).