You'll never beat Des Walker unless you're Marc Overmars
agent orange
ECO...@leeds.ac.uk (F.N. Francis) wrote:
>I find myself sitting at a computer looking for
>information on the Net about the North American Free
>Trade Agreement, there is a valid reason but it
>wouldn't interest you, and I'm bored (unsuprisingly)
>so I decided to write
hello
there is only one flaw in your otherwise flawless
argument, and that is Sheffield Wednesday are shit.
and they are even more hopless on FIFA96.
and another thing, the Woolhouse cluster is crap
as well.
bye
alexander
my username is not an X-File reference
F.N. Francis
the North American Free Trade Agreement, there is a valid reason but it
wouldn't interest you, and I'm bored (unsuprisingly) so I decided to write
believe that if Sheffield Wednesday manage to stay up this season, then Mr
Pleat will have built a side that is looking to the future with players of
ability, quality and youth such as Pembridge, Kovacevic and perhaps
even Stefanovic.
The Four-Four-Two system should suit them better ( If you have an awful
defense anyway, there's no point wasting five players on it ) and Wednesday
desperstely need to get full use of their wingers. However I definitely think
we should have gone in for Nigel Clough and I said this long before he went
to Man City. A good talent with intelligence wasted at liverpool
Is it me or is Mark Bright like Freddie from the nightmare on Elm Street
films. Just when you think he's gone, he comes back to haunt you again and
this time his misses in front of goal are even more frightning.
I expect there are very few out there who care about Wednesday and the fact
that Lee Briscoe cannot defend. He can go forward and win a corner but his
tackling is abismal.
Is it me or is Jamie Redknapp the most overated player in the country. Hold
on a minute, I do have a justifyable arguement. Every time I see him he seems
to be turning more and more into Sideways Samways. Now there's nothing wrong
with passing the ball out to get some width, BUT ALL THE TIME ?
If you can keep your head while all those around you are losing there's, you probably don't understand whats going on.
F.N. Francis
is a goth,supports Arsenal and does a dosser subject like History (a
coincedence, I think not). Of course I may have the wrong person in which
case I apologise unreservedly. Anyway to show I am not a bad sport I would
like to say that Ian Wright is a good player (and soon a good Chelsea
player), if thats not a contradiction in terms. Don't try and be clever by
showing you know where I posted it from Mr. computer 91 in the Ingold
Cluster. Anyway the Woolhouse Cluster is far better.
P.S. You team is full of criminals
Hillier - Theft of Suitcase
Parlour - That Taxi-Driver incident (Hey you talkin to me). Sorry wrong thing
altogether. He should get together with Wise. They could set up a
worldwide taxi driver beatings network.
Merson - Drugs and Drink
Adams - That Brick Wall came up a bit sharpish didn't it !
Wright - That song 'Do the right thing' - That was a criminal offense if ever
I heard one.
P.P.S. My friend had to even remind me of George Graham. I lost track of them
all. Present ? That much in used fivers.
Student
>
> F.N. Francis wrote:
> > Is it me or is Jamie Redknapp the most overated player in the country. Hold
> > on a minute, I do have a justifyable arguement. Every time I see him he seems
> > to be turning more and more into Sideways Samways. Now there's nothing wrong
> > with passing the ball out to get some width, BUT ALL THE TIME ?
>
> David James
> Pallister
> Yeboah
> Speed
> Ginola
>
> That'll stir a few up
No way is Ginola over rated but I'll tell you who is:
Andy Cole
Teddy Sherringham
Dean Holdsworth
Mark Stein
Dennis bloody Wise
Up the Arse!
Alex Chung
: Up the Arse!
I agree with those listed above (mostly), especially Sheringham
but here are some that i think are TOTALLY overF*ckingRated
Gary & Phillip (f*cking) Neville (HOW are these pre-pubescent twats in the
England Squad ??????)
Tim Flowers
Tim Sherwood
Nick (I couldn't hit a barn with a banjo) Barmby (really, he sucks BADLY)
Mark Hughes
John Barnes
Andrei Kanchelskis
Darren Anderton
Chris Armstrong
Sol Campbell
Bryan Roy
Ian Walker
Any spurz player in the England squad (I mean why ??)
Red is the colour,
Football is the game,
Man Utd 1 Arsenal 3,
Red Devils will hang their heads in shame.
Go AFC!!
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Dean Gripton
> Is it me or is Jamie Redknapp the most overated player in the country. Hold
> on a minute, I do have a justifyable arguement. Every time I see him he seems
> to be turning more and more into Sideways Samways. Now there's nothing wrong
> with passing the ball out to get some width, BUT ALL THE TIME ?
Agree. Other overrated include...
David James
Pallister
Yeboah
Speed
Ginola
That'll stir a few up
Dean Gripton
Gripper
spiderman
: Red is the colour,
: Football is the game,
: Man Utd 1 Arsenal 3,
: Red Devils will hang their heads in shame.
Red is the colour,
Football is the game,
Man Utd 1 Arsenal 0,
Southern Softies are seriously lame!
: Go AFC!!
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Erling Antoni Savik
: I agree with those listed above (mostly), especially Sheringham
Sheringham is actually a class player.
: but here are some that i think are TOTALLY overF*ckingRated
: Gary & Phillip (f*cking) Neville (HOW are these pre-pubescent twats
: in the England Squad ??????)
Gary Neville is probably the best right back England have at the
moment. As for Phillip I think Venables have gone a little bit too
far, but I guess it just goes to show the standards of English left
backs at the mo.
: Tim Flowers
: Tim Sherwood
Totally agree with this.
: Nick (I couldn't hit a barn with a banjo) Barmby (really, he sucks BADLY)
Now thats just stupid. Barmby's a class player out of goalscoring form.
: Mark Hughes
: John Barnes
: Andrei Kanchelskis
Kantjelskis overrated???? Well he did score a late winner at your place
not too long ago, so I can understand your frustation. But seriously
speaking he's probably among the five to ten best right wingers in the
world today.
: Darren Anderton
: Chris Armstrong
Class players....
: Sol Campbell
You might have a point here.
: Bryan Roy
: Ian Walker
Decent players in my view.
: Any spurz player in the England squad (I mean why ??)
Arsenal fan, eahh??
: Red is the colour,
: Football is the game,
Didn't seem to be the case when you were winning something.
: Man Utd 1 Arsenal 3,
: Red Devils will hang their heads in shame.
Erling Antoni Saevik
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F.N. Francis
Marc Overmars, I think many have got the wrong end of the proverbial stick.
This was meant to be a rostrum or platform for fans of proper football, not
the dull and defensive stuff that Arsenal play, to discuss players who seem
to have high reputations built around playing in a good team without showing
the individuals in question showing any talent in my opinion. Take Mark
Bright, please !!! Anyway, to get back to the point, this is not meant for
Arsenal fans( the poor souls, you have to feel sorry for them as they are
almost all nice chap and chappesses) to have a pop at good Tottenham players
such as Sol Campbell, Ian Walker, Teddy Sheringham and Stuart Nethercott
( sorry, I think the last one was a bad example but you get the point).
Anyway your lot are all criminals. Take, for example :
Tony Adams - That brick wall came up a bit sharpish.
Paul Merson - Is it true the Colombian government are giving him an award for
services to the Columbian economy ?
David Hillier - People told him he was a lost cause, he must have heard
'case' because he took someone else's. Speaking of which he
didn't have much of a case in court. To think I thought
Arsenal had a good defense. It didn't do him much good.
Ray Parlour - Them Taxi drivers, eh ?? He should set up with old Dennis Wise.
George Graham - Bungs and all that. Dull and Defensive teams, and he bought
Chris Kiwomya.
Finally Ian Wright : That song 'Do the right thing@ That was Criminal.
A bird in the hand makes it hard to blow your nose.
Lennert Stock
>: > > Is it me or is Jamie Redknapp the most overated player in the country. Hold
The country? Restudy the concept of Internet...
Lennert.
Faez Nasrudin Kaiser
international stage.
--
Faez Kaiser nasr...@glue.umd.edu
Electrical Engineering http://www.glue.umd.edu/~nasrudin
University of Maryland at College Park
Peter Campbell
highly rated? Great form in '94, this is true. But what's up these
days?
nick.si...@passport.paonline.com
> Alan Shearer is also vastly overrated. He has never proven himself
> on an
> international stage.
neither have any of the other English players who get as much publicity as he
does.
i.e. Fowler, Collymore, Barmby, Cantona, etc..
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world's still spinning round, we don't|
why, why" - Champagne Supernova |La mia Lazio, a mia vita
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Hammer Smith
Can't say I'm big on Le Saux either.
hc7...@cnsvax.albany.edu
>Are we forgetting Lee Sharpe??
>Can't say I'm big on Le Saux either.
No Man Utd player is over-rated!! Get your facts straight!!
geoff smith
>In article <4iso3s$i...@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, nasr...@Glue.umd.edu (Faez Nasrudin Kaiser) says:
>>
>>Alan Shearer is also vastly overrated. He has never proven himself on an
>>international stage.
>>
>>Faez Kaiser nasr...@glue.umd.edu
>>Electrical Engineering http://www.glue.umd.edu/~nasrudin
>>University of Maryland at College Park
>
>Alan Shearer could take his pick of clubs anywhere in Europe,there isn't
>one that would not sign him,given the chance.
Top hole on that one, Shearer's goal scoring ability in the
World's most exciting league is without equal. His
international record is more a reflection of how England
misplays him than his abilities on the field.
GAS1. BCFC.
geoff smith
players, you get your head straight because it is the nature of
the game. Those are the facts jack!
GAS1. BCFC.
Chris Burgess
Chris Burgess
Matt Potter
>dble...@direct.ca (Denis Bleasdale) wrote:
>>In article <4iso3s$i...@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, nasr...@Glue.umd.edu (Faez Nasrudin Kaiser) says:
>>>
>>>Alan Shearer is also vastly overrated. He has never proven himself on an
>>>international stage.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Faez Kaiser nasr...@glue.umd.edu
>>>Electrical Engineering http://www.glue.umd.edu/~nasrudin
>>>University of Maryland at College Park
>>
>>How little you know to make statements like that one.
>>Alan Shearer could take his pick of clubs anywhere in Europe,there isn't
>>one that would not sign him,given the chance.
How interesting. An article in The Mail on Sunday today contained an
interview with Ajax's chief scout. On his database of 800 players he
monitors for the club, Shearer is not one of them. Also, Ruud Gullit
claimed that only a few English players could succeed on the
continent. Shearer was not one of them.
> Top hole on that one, Shearer's goal scoring ability in the
>World's most exciting league is without equal. His
>international record is more a reflection of how England
>misplays him than his abilities on the field.
Pure rubbish. Shearer fails at international level because foreign
defenders are wise to his tactics. He is not a natural goalscorer in
the true sense. What I mean by that is that he scores most of his
goals from outside the box. Robbie Fowler is difficult to mark and
gets loads of 'strikers goals.' He would perform much better for
England than Shearer. (Oh, and before people accuse me of being so, I
am NOT a Liverpool fan!)
David K
>How interesting. An article in The Mail on Sunday today contained an
>interview with Ajax's chief scout. On his database of 800 players he
>monitors for the club, Shearer is not one of them. Also, Ruud Gullit
>claimed that only a few English players could succeed on the
>continent. Shearer was not one of them.
I would have thought the reason Shearer was not on the database was that Ajax
would never buy him. They seem to buy a lot of cheap players with good
potential or develop their own youngsters. They then seem to sell these
players when they are at their peak, ie Bergkamp, Cryuff, Jonk. They were
prepared to sell Overmarrs for the right price and I have heard that a lot of
their current stars are lined up for moves to Italy in the close season.
So I can't really see Ajax changing their policy and splashing out for a very
expensive, world famous player.
If they want world class players why do they sell their own.
Any Ajax fans out there who can tell me if I'm on the right track?
Cheers, David K.
geoff smith
>geoff smith <ga...@metrolink.net> spouted:
>
>>dble...@direct.ca (Denis Bleasdale) wrote:
>>>In article <4iso3s$i...@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, nasr...@Glue.umd.edu (Faez Nasrudin Kaiser) says:
>>>>
>>>>Alan Shearer is also vastly overrated. He has never proven himself on an
>>>>international stage.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Faez Kaiser nasr...@glue.umd.edu
>>>>Electrical Engineering http://www.glue.umd.edu/~nasrudin
>>>>University of Maryland at College Park
>>>
>>>How little you know to make statements like that one.
>>>Alan Shearer could take his pick of clubs anywhere in Europe,there isn't
>>>one that would not sign him,given the chance.
>
>interview with Ajax's chief scout. On his database of 800 players he
>monitors for the club, Shearer is not one of them. Also, Ruud Gullit
>claimed that only a few English players could succeed on the
>continent. Shearer was not one of them.
>
>>World's most exciting league is without equal. His
>>international record is more a reflection of how England
>>misplays him than his abilities on the field.
>
>Pure rubbish. Shearer fails at international level because foreign
>defenders are wise to his tactics. He is not a natural goalscorer in
>the true sense. What I mean by that is that he scores most of his
>goals from outside the box. Robbie Fowler is difficult to mark and
>gets loads of 'strikers goals.' He would perform much better for
>England than Shearer. (Oh, and before people accuse me of being so, I
>am NOT a Liverpool fan!)
>
>
chief scout and Gullit say are interesting but not of any
particular substance. Bottom line is, he has scored MORE goals!
( Strikers are supposed to do that, off their head, foot or ass
makes no difference) I hear you about the different qualities
of Fowler to Shearer and I agree with you on how each plays the
game. When Shearer plays for England he is left "to wither on
the vine". And that is the fault of the England game planning.
It will be interesting to compare Fowler to Shearer to see how
many games it takes Robbie to score 100 in the Prem. To a
degree we have here a no win situation you and I but I'm sure
we BOTH agree that we want the best man for England, even if it
is my wife!! Whoops, won't work, she is American!
Interesting comments, Best,
GAS1. BCFC.
>
>
Faez Nasrudin Kaiser
: dble...@direct.ca (Denis Bleasdale) wrote:
: >In article <4iso3s$i...@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, nasr...@Glue.umd.edu (Faez Nasrudin Kaiser) says:
: >>
: >>Alan Shearer is also vastly overrated. He has never proven himself on an
: >>international stage.
: >>
: >>--
: >>Faez Kaiser nasr...@glue.umd.edu
: >>Electrical Engineering http://www.glue.umd.edu/~nasrudin
: >>University of Maryland at College Park
: >
: >How little you know to make statements like that one.
: >Alan Shearer could take his pick of clubs anywhere in Europe,there isn't
: >one that would not sign him,given the chance.
: Top hole on that one, Shearer's goal scoring ability in the
: World's most exciting league is without equal. His
: international record is more a reflection of how England
: misplays him than his abilities on the field.
Shearer is a good striker but definitely nowhere close to the greatness
that the press bestows upon him. When you compare him to Lineker, he pales
in comparison. There is a marked difference between scoring 30 goals per
season in the Premier League, and replicating that form in Italy, Spain or
against quality national opposition. English football history is littered
with the Luther Blissetts, Kerry Dixons and the Ian Wrights of this world.
These players were exceptional players in the domestic league, but never
achieved much significance outside that environment.
Until Shearer reproduces his club form in European team competition, or
for England, he is just another in a long line of very good club players. It
is fashionable to throw around the word "great" these days, but this has
devalued the word. Van Basten was great, as was Lineker and Paolo Rossi,
among others. The press is guilty of hyping the likes of Shearer, Cantona
and Collymore in a manner that tends to obscure the facts. To be great,
you must sustain the highest level of achievement at all levels of the
game.
When you mention that European teams would gladly buy Shearer, the littany
of recent English failure in Italy suggests otherwise. Ian Rush, Gazza,
and David Platt have all returned to these shores after failing to make
their mark in Italy. Holland's Dennis Bergkamp is far more gifted
technically than Shearer, and yet did not find success at Inter. While
the Premier League is fast and exciting, English football is behind
Europe in technical terms. Mastery of Premier League defences, as
exhibited by Ferdinand, Wright, Shearer and others, does not constitute a
strong argument in their favour. Witness the exits in European
competition of England's foremost club teams.
I would like to end with what may seem a contentious statement.
Unfortunately, English football no longer represents the best of European
football. In this regard, Shearer is a big fish in a small pond but has
so far struggled in his attempts to compete with the big boys out there
in the big wide world.
My apologies to anybody who feels offended by criticisms of their
favourite player(s). As a Liverpool fan, I feel that the current team
cannot hold a flame to the teams of the early and mid-eighties. In this
regard, my criticisms can also be applied liberally to other hyped
Premier League players, as I feel that there has been a general decline
in standards from the days of Lineker, Dalglish, Hoddle and Brady.
Regards,
Faez
Benny.demon.co.uk
> From: dav...@interlog.com (David K) at InterLog Internet Services
> I would have thought the reason Shearer was not on the database was that Ajax
> would never buy him. They seem to buy a lot of cheap players with good
> potential or develop their own youngsters. They then seem to sell these
> players when they are at their peak, ie Bergkamp, Cryuff, Jonk. They were
> prepared to sell Overmarrs for the right price and I have heard that a lot of
> their current stars are lined up for moves to Italy in the close season.
> So I can't really see Ajax changing their policy and splashing out for a very
> expensive, world famous player.
> If they want world class players why do they sell their own.
> Any Ajax fans out there who can tell me if I'm on the right track?
> Cheers, David K.
First of, Ajax are absolutely LOADED. A Euro Cup win brings in over
10 million, then there's turnover from advertising, sponsorship, gate
receipts and, since 1990, Ajax have generated over 32 million from player
transfers. Ajax could buy any player they wanted.
The reason a lot of Ajax players eventually leave Holland is because the
Dutch league is not very challenging. Ajax don't stand in the way if a player
wants to improve himself abroad because they are very confident in their youth
system.
Reiziger, Davids and Kanu's contracts expire at the end of this season so they
are likely to leave. I can't see Ajax selling either Litmanen or the De Boer
twins. George is a target for Juventus but with Hoekstra and Overmars on the
wings next season (bad news for all clubs in Europe!), he won't be missed.
Kluivert will probably join Milan when his contract expires ('97).
Van Gaal has turned down a 10 million bid for Overmars (from Man United) so
anyone that wants him will have to break the bank.
Shearer is not good enough for Ajax. Kluivert is far better, is proven at int
level and scored the winner in last season's Champions Cup final and he is just
19 years old!
Benny, Middlesbrough, England
Forza Milan!
Forza Calcio!
Matt Potter
>ma...@hinckley.u-net.com (Matt Potter) wrote:
>> Shearer fails at international level because foreign
>>defenders are wise to his tactics. He is not a natural goalscorer in
>>the true sense. What I mean by that is that he scores most of his
>>goals from outside the box. Robbie Fowler is difficult to mark and
>>gets loads of 'strikers goals.' He would perform much better for
>>England than Shearer. (Oh, and before people accuse me of being so, I
>>am NOT a Liverpool fan!)
>>
>>
>> Well all I can to say to that is Shearer has scored more goals
>in the Prem than anyone else by a long chalk. What Ajax's
>chief scout and Gullit say are interesting but not of any
>particular substance.
Well, you did claim that Shearer could have the pick of any European
club he wanted. I was just contradicting you.
> Bottom line is, he has scored MORE goals!
>( Strikers are supposed to do that, off their head, foot or ass
>makes no difference) I hear you about the different qualities
>of Fowler to Shearer and I agree with you on how each plays the
>game. When Shearer plays for England he is left "to wither on
>the vine". And that is the fault of the England game planning.
I suppose you could be right. My opinion is that, using the system
England do at the moment, shearer looks rubbish. Venables has to
either change the system or try someone else instead of Shearer. At
the moment he is doing neither.
> It will be interesting to compare Fowler to Shearer to see how
>many games it takes Robbie to score 100 in the Prem. To a
>degree we have here a no win situation you and I but I'm sure
>we BOTH agree that we want the best man for England, even if it
>is my wife!! Whoops, won't work, she is American!
Hey, why not pick me?! 3 goals in 3 seasons from defensive midfield at
Westfield Wanderers sunday league side. C'mon Tel!
Matt Potter
>>How interesting. An article in The Mail on Sunday today contained an
>>interview with Ajax's chief scout. On his database of 800 players he
>>monitors for the club, Shearer is not one of them. Also, Ruud Gullit
>>claimed that only a few English players could succeed on the
>>continent. Shearer was not one of them.
>I would have thought the reason Shearer was not on the database was that Ajax
>would never buy him. They seem to buy a lot of cheap players with good
>potential or develop their own youngsters. They then seem to sell these
>players when they are at their peak, ie Bergkamp, Cryuff, Jonk. They were
>prepared to sell Overmarrs for the right price and I have heard that a lot of
>their current stars are lined up for moves to Italy in the close season.
>So I can't really see Ajax changing their policy and splashing out for a very
>expensive, world famous player.
>If they want world class players why do they sell their own.
>Any Ajax fans out there who can tell me if I'm on the right track?
Players such as Giggs, Cantona and Junhinio were also on the
database...
Nomad
ssport.paonline.com writes
>
>
> > Alan Shearer is also vastly overrated. He has never proven himself
> > on an
> > international stage.
>
>does.
>i.e. Fowler, Collymore, Barmby, Cantona, etc..
Fowler hasn't been given a chance. Ditto Collymore. Barmby doesn't
even do it for the Boro unfortunately and Cantona isn't English.
--
Nomad
Cast no shadow
Samik Sen
You mention ian wright as a club only person but then go on to say that
when shearer does it in europe.Surely ian wright having scored in
nearly every game last season in europe can't be a club only player!
Another thing, which isn't just about your letter.You often hear the argument
that because a person doesn't do well in italy they are not really good.
What is this based on? Different leagues use different styles.It's not
reasonable.Bergkamp flopped in italy, by any measure, but surely you
wouldn't say he's a failure since in the world cup and international
level he has shone.So is the italian league the supreme standard?
You say that shearer is not great.Why? Because in europe and international
level he has not done so well.Look at how england are playing.Look at the team
and how they were doing when he played in europe.What about signori?He
has not done much by that standard.He was the top scorer for at the two
seasons that i followed italian football.The great baggio only managed
18 compared to 23 in one of them and signori was out for much of the other
season yet still managed to overcome his competition.So baggio and vialli are
great yet signori isn't? Look at the world cup, poor old signori was played
on the wing! he didn't score.he must be crap..a flop??
Samik