The Gattuso Apology
Mike Hall
learned when I played in his home city of Glasgow, but I can't tell
you what we said."
- He was so nervous that he spoke in Glaswegian Sign Language!
"I didn't want to argue with players and I did it with him, but I was
wrong to do what I have done. I will have to await what they decide."
- He would have gotten banned for even longer if he had slapped and
head-butted a player. Once the UEFA committee see Joe Jordan's
natural toothless grin and some of his tackles during the 70s, Gennaro
Gattuso may get off with a slap on the wrist.
Mike Hall
Sven Mischkies
> "I was nervous. We were both speaking Scottish, something that I
> learned when I played in his home city of Glasgow, but I can't tell
> you what we said."
>
> - He was so nervous that he spoke in Glaswegian Sign Language!
I think what he did is generally referred to as a 'Glasgow Greeting', so
nothing unusual happened. ;)
Ciao,
SM
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Benny
> From : tar...@yahoo.com
> "I was nervous. We were both speaking Scottish, something that I
> learned when I played in his home city of Glasgow, but I can't tell
> you what we said."
He was called a "fucking Italian bastard". Given Jordan played for Milan
I'm surprised by him but that doesn't in anyway justify Gattuso's actions.
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Diabolik
"Mike Hall" <tar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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LOL....
Joe Jordan: "I was in Italy for three years and it was the best experience
in my career."
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/la-dolce-vita-for-joe-140211.html
Diabolik
"Benny" <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote in message
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> > Subject : The Gattuso Apology
> > From : tar...@yahoo.com
>
>> "I was nervous. We were both speaking Scottish, something that I
>> learned when I played in his home city of Glasgow, but I can't tell
>> you what we said."
>
> He was called a "fucking Italian bastard". Given Jordan played for Milan
> I'm surprised by him but that doesn't in anyway justify Gattuso's actions.
Yes, that's what he said. I'm not sure Gattuso knew who he was.
Jordan should be banned too, he's an assistant coach that provoked.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2914/champions-league/2011/02/16/2355031/gennaro-gattusos-agent-claims-joe-jordan-made-racist-slur
Alkamista
What does that have to do with Gattuso's apology?
Benny
> From : alka...@hotmail.com
>> Joe Jordan: "I was in Italy for three years and it was the best experience
>> in my career."http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/la-dolce-vita-for-joe-1...
>
> What does that have to do with Gattuso's apology?
Nothing but I guess he's trying to distance himself from the comments
he's supposed to have made. If that's all it takes to wind up Gattuso
everyone should do it, including the Italian players.
RED DEVIL
wrote:
Joe Jordon's tackles?
You do know he was a centre forward?
The Scrutineer
"RED DEVIL" wrote in message
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Maybe you could do with a slap on the wrist Red Devil, how dare you say
centre forwards don't tackle!!!
You have some nerve!!!
Binder Dundat
wrote:
> Mike Hall <tar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "I was nervous. We were both speaking Scottish, something that I
> > learned when I played in his home city of Glasgow, but I can't tell
> > you what we said."
>
> > - He was so nervous that he spoke in Glaswegian Sign Language!
>
> I think what he did is generally referred to as a 'Glasgow Greeting', so
> nothing unusual happened. ;)
>
> Ciao,
> SM
> I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it
> does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
> Douglas Adams
I think you got that a bit confused? I believe it is called a
Glaswegian kiss and calling someone "a fucking Italian bastard" is a
Sicilian greeting?
Diabolik
"Alkamista" <alka...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jordan says be before the match:
"I was fortunate to move there from United and it was arguably the best move
of my career."
"Things are tough on and off the field, but they looked after me and I'll
always be thankful for that."
etc...
Then he calls Gattuso a "Fucking Italian bastard"...
I would be ok with it if he called him a "Fucking bastard", but what he said
is a racial slur.
So he should be punished from Uefa too.
The Scrutineer
Gattuso's reaction when he got a yellow was priceless, if I get a yellow
card in the neat future I will dedicate it to Gattuso, absolutely priceless,
I feel privileged in having seen it, the man cares!!!
Imagine him batting against the Australian cricket team, he wouldn't handle
the amount of spitting for starters, but the sledges, he would go NUTS !!!
Paul C
wrote:
> Mike Hall <tar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I think what he did is generally referred to as a 'Glasgow Greeting', so
> nothing unusual happened. ;)
Jordan received a "Glasgow Kiss".
Paul C
>
> He was called a "fucking Italian bastard".
The source for this story being Gatusso's agent.
Aye right.
Chagney Hunt
> Then he calls Gattuso a "Fucking Italian bastard"...
>
> I would be ok with it if he called him a "Fucking bastard", but what he said
> is a racial slur.
>
> So he should be punished from Uefa too.
Racial slur? How is "Italian bastard" more offensive than "Scottish
bastard" or "American bastard" or "lizard people bastard"?
Alkamista
Better than a "Glasgow Smile" for sure.
Binder Dundat
> On Feb 16, 9:55 am, "Diabolik" <Diabo...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > Then he calls Gattuso a "Fucking Italian bastard"...
>
> > I would be ok with it if he called him a "Fucking bastard",
So you are OK with me calling you a Fucking Idiot?
But not a Fucking Italian Idiot?
Alkamista
> On Feb 16, 1:04 pm, Chagney Hunt <ess...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 16, 9:55 am, "Diabolik" <Diabo...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > > Then he calls Gattuso a "Fucking Italian bastard"...
>
> > > I would be ok with it if he called him a "Fucking bastard",
>
> So you are OK with me calling you a Fucking Idiot?
> But not a Fucking Italian Idiot?
>
I have to agree with Diabolik here. Putting a nationality or racial
designation as an adjective before an insult implies a racial tinge
more often than not, because one's heritage is being used as part of
the insult.
Binder Dundat
Personally I would not want to be called an Italian Bastard either but
I dont see it being any worse than just being called a Bastard? And in
fact if you go back to Materazzi saying something about Zidane's
mother or sister in the 06 final I think that is much worse than if he
just called him a Frog or French bastard or something like that?
RED DEVIL
Not properly they don't..lol
And Joe Jordan didn't
Sven Mischkies
Diabolik
Thank you for your unbiased view. The others don't seem to get it, or don't
want to.
Diabolik
"Binder Dundat" <dun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Blah blah blah...
Abubakr
4629dc...@a28g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>, ess...@gmail.com says...
Can you get more ironic if you tried?
--
"When a diplomat says yes, he means ?perhaps?;
When he says perhaps, he means ?no?;
When he says no, he is not a diplomat."
-- Voltaire.
Diabolik
"Chagney Hunt" <ess...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It's the same.
Paul C
> In article <8a0065a4-5a97-4970-9560-
> 4629dc36f...@a28g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>, ess...@gmail.com says...
When are people here going to face facts. The only person who has
stated that Jordan said what he is alleged to have said is Gattuso's
agent. I'm sure he's a reliable witness even if he wasn't present.
Alkamista
I think the discussion in on the merits of such a statement, not a
judgment that Jordan did in fact say it.
Diabolik
"Paul C" <hoddl...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 16, 10:42 pm, Abubakr <deltara...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <8a0065a4-5a97-4970-9560-
> 4629dc36f...@a28g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>, ess...@gmail.com says...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 9:55 am, "Diabolik" <Diabo...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > > Then he calls Gattuso a "Fucking Italian bastard"...
>
> > > I would be ok with it if he called him a "Fucking bastard", but what
> > > he said
> > > is a racial slur.
>
> > > So he should be punished from Uefa too.
>
> > Racial slur? How is "Italian bastard" more offensive than "Scottish
> > bastard" or "American bastard" or "lizard people bastard"?
True, not 100% sure what he said. But I assume he said something like that.
I've never seen Gattuso get fired up like he did, and Joe "Lo Squalo" Jordan
never backs down either! Lucky Jordan didn't punch him!
Looking back, it was all fun.
Abubakr
@w21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, hoddl...@googlemail.com says...
I wasn't referring to what Gattuso or Jordan had said there.
William Clark
"Diabolik" <Diab...@nospam.com> wrote:
Did he? You have only his agent's word for that, and of course he has
absolutely no vested interest, does he?
Now I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn that I am prepared to make you a
special deal on. You know you want it.
>
> I would be ok with it if he called him a "Fucking bastard", but what he said
> is a racial slur.
>
> So he should be punished from Uefa too.
Nice try, but pathetically sad. Gattuso is a psycho.
William Clark
"Diabolik" <Diab...@nospam.com> wrote:
UEFA should simply lock Jordan and Gattuso in a room for five minutes. I
know which one will walk out in one piece, and it won't be the Italian.
William Clark
"Diabolik" <Diab...@nospam.com> wrote:
The only evidence for this "racist slur" is what Gattuso's agent says.
And he wasn't within 100 yards of the incident. You are a sucker.
Diabolik
"William Clark" <wcl...@colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
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Fuck off clown.
Diabolik
All the papers are reporting it, but I don't care what he said, it's over.
> Now I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn that I am prepared to make you a
> special deal on. You know you want it.
The Verrazano bridge you mean, the one named after the Italian explorer?
>>
>> I would be ok with it if he called him a "Fucking bastard", but what he
>> said
>> is a racial slur.
>>
>> So he should be punished from Uefa too.
>
> Nice try, but pathetically sad. Gattuso is a psycho.
Yeah he is...so what?
Manx Gunner
[Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:15:44 -0500]
: UEFA should simply lock Jordan and Gattuso in a room for five minutes. I
: know which one will walk out in one piece, and it won't be the Italian.
You must have watched two different confrontations. Gattuso punked Jordan.
--
"Look at the way teams play against Arsenal. They don't believe they can win.
They don't believe." -- Jose Mourinho
RED DEVIL
Even given the age difference Joe would wipe the floor with the thug.
Diabolik
"Paul C" <hoddl...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Given that Joe "Lo Squalo" Jordan speaks Italian, I think he would have
said:
"Fottuto bastardo Italiano!!!" :)
Benny
> From : hoddl...@googlemail.com
> When are people here going to face facts. The only person who has
> stated that Jordan said what he is alleged to have said is Gattuso's
> agent. I'm sure he's a reliable witness even if he wasn't present.
The point is Jordan had no business saying anything to Gattuso. I don't
remember the last time I saw a coach, assistant or otherwise, shout at
an opposition player.
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Chagney Hunt
>
> > When are people here going to face facts. The only person who has
> > stated that Jordan said what he is alleged to have said is Gattuso's
> > agent. I'm sure he's a reliable witness even if he wasn't present.
>
> The point is Jordan had no business saying anything to Gattuso. I don't
> remember the last time I saw a coach, assistant or otherwise, shout at
> an opposition player.
"I didn't want to argue with players and I did it with him, but I was
wrong to do what I have done." -- Gennaro Gattuso.
There is ZERO restriction on interaction between opposing staffs. Any
bitching about "the exchange of opinions" completely missed the point.
Paul C
Paul C
> > From : hoddles...@googlemail.com
So the point has changed has it? It has changed from Jordan saying
something insulting to Gattuso which has been claimed only by
Gattuso's agent (who wasn't there,) to Jordan saying anything at all
to Gattuso - and that apparently being a justification for Gattuso's
two assaults on Jordan.Do you make it up as you go along?
Benny
> From : hoddl...@googlemail.com
> So the point has changed has it? It has changed from Jordan saying
> something insulting to Gattuso which has been claimed only by
> Gattuso's agent (who wasn't there,) to Jordan saying anything at all
> to Gattuso - and that apparently being a justification for Gattuso's
> two assaults on Jordan.Do you make it up as you go along?
When did I justify Gattuso's actions? I didn't. It doesn't matter what
Jordan said, he could have called Gattuso a twat, wouldn't have
mattered, he shouldn't have said anything at all.
Mike Hall
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:39:35 -0800 (PST), Mike Hall <tar...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >learned when I played in his home city of Glasgow, but I can't tell
> >you what we said."
>
> >- He was so nervous that he spoke in Glaswegian Sign Language!
>
>
> >- He would have gotten banned for even longer if he had slapped and
> >head-butted a player. Once the UEFA committee see Joe Jordan's
> >natural toothless grin and some of his tackles during the 70s, Gennaro
> >Gattuso may get off with a slap on the wrist.
> Joe Jordon's tackles?
> You do know he was a centre forward?
I'm old enough to have seen Joe Jordan in action. In his day centre-
forwards were allowed to get away with anything on the field so long
as they were going for the ball. If the keeper had the ball Jordan
would fly in to try to kill the keeper before he could get two hands
on it. Every tackle he went for was a studs-showing two-footer.
To be fair to him, everyone else was doing that too, but those UEFA
committees who are trying to ban all physical contact would have
kittens if you ever showed them 1970s football!
Mike Hall
Paul C
>
> > So the point has changed has it? It has changed from Jordan saying
> > something insulting to Gattuso which has been claimed only by
> > Gattuso's agent (who wasn't there,) to Jordan saying anything at all
> > to Gattuso - and that apparently being a justification for Gattuso's
> > two assaults on Jordan.Do you make it up as you go along?
>
> When did I justify Gattuso's actions? I didn't. It doesn't matter what
> Jordan said, he could have called Gattuso a twat, wouldn't have
> mattered, he shouldn't have said anything at all.
So what's the issue? Gattuso held Jordan by the throat and later
headbutted him. End of.
Benny
> From : hoddl...@googlemail.com
> So what's the issue? Gattuso held Jordan by the throat and later
> headbutted him. End of.
Jordan shouldn't have been shouting at opposition players. If the shoe
was on the other foot, you'd claim the coach was asking for it.
Paul C
>
> > So what's the issue? Gattuso held Jordan by the throat and later
> > headbutted him. End of.
>
> Jordan shouldn't have been shouting at opposition players. If the shoe
> was on the other foot, you'd claim the coach was asking for it.
Perhaps we should bans from shouting at them too - if they all lose
the head as easily as Gattuso.
RED DEVIL
wrote:
I'm also old enough to have watched Jordan play live and every week.
Yes, he was the old type fashioned centre forward and a hard man but I
can't remember him flying in with tackles.
There's been a lot written about the Gattuso incident but for my
money the best comes from Gareth Southgate “Lesson from Joe Jordan to
modern players….not essential to collapse when headbutted"
Benny
> From : hoddl...@googlemail.com
> Perhaps we should bans from shouting at them too - if they all lose
> the head as easily as Gattuso.
I have made no excuses for Gattuso, UEFA could ban him from Europe for
the rest of his career for all I care.
MH
Good point. I hope Van der Sar saw that.
William Clark
"Diabolik" <Diab...@nospam.com> wrote:
Very good - if that's all you have, you lose. Big time.
William Clark
RED DEVIL <dave...@XXcharter.net> wrote:
Amen. Five minutes would be about 4:59 minutes longer than necessary.
William Clark
Manx Gunner <goal@4thegunners!.com> wrote:
> [William Clark <wcl...@colnospamumbus.rr.com>]
> [Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:15:44 -0500]
>
> : UEFA should simply lock Jordan and Gattuso in a room for five minutes. I
> : know which one will walk out in one piece, and it won't be the Italian.
>
> You must have watched two different confrontations. Gattuso punked Jordan.
You are joking, of course.
William Clark
"Diabolik" <Diab...@nospam.com> wrote:
All the papers are reporting what the agent said. No one else has
corroborated one word of it - it's a figment of his imagination. Live
with it.
>
>
> > Now I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn that I am prepared to make you a
> > special deal on. You know you want it.
>
> The Verrazano bridge you mean, the one named after the Italian explorer?
Who clearly came to the US for a better life.
>
> >>
> >> I would be ok with it if he called him a "Fucking bastard", but what he
> >> said
> >> is a racial slur.
> >>
> >> So he should be punished from Uefa too.
> >
> > Nice try, but pathetically sad. Gattuso is a psycho.
>
> Yeah he is...so what?
You are clutching at straws, and failing.
Manx Gunner
[Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:48:16 -0500]
: In article <MPG.27c6955ac...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
Jordan is an old man with whom Gattuso would wipe his arse if he wished to, and
there isn't one damned thing Jordan could do about it short of beg for mercy.
Y'all puffing out your chests (and Jordan's, by proxy) talking about how his
old arse would do anything to Gattuso at all are fooling yourselves.
William Clark
Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> > Subject : The Gattuso Apology
> > From : hoddl...@googlemail.com
>
> > When are people here going to face facts. The only person who has
> > stated that Jordan said what he is alleged to have said is Gattuso's
> > agent. I'm sure he's a reliable witness even if he wasn't present.
>
> The point is Jordan had no business saying anything to Gattuso. I don't
> remember the last time I saw a coach, assistant or otherwise, shout at
> an opposition player.
As I thought - you don't watch much football.
Manx Gunner
[Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:50:54 -0500]
: > The point is Jordan had no business saying anything to Gattuso. I don't
: > remember the last time I saw a coach, assistant or otherwise, shout at
: > an opposition player.
:
: As I thought - you don't watch much football.
If Binny meant on the pitch, as Jordan was (and where he absolutely didn't
belong), he has a bit of a point. Jordan was out of line. Gattuso's response
was even more out of line, but Jordan was begging for a twatting.
William Clark
RED DEVIL <dave...@XXcharter.net> wrote:
As they say "Football players spend 90 minutes pretending they are hurt,
rugby players spend their 80 minutes pretending they aren't". Jordan was
old school - four teeth knocked out and he plays on. He would have
killed Gattuso.
Diabolik
He was an explorer. What do they do again?
>> >>
>> >> I would be ok with it if he called him a "Fucking bastard", but what
>> >> he
>> >> said
>> >> is a racial slur.
>> >>
>> >> So he should be punished from Uefa too.
>> >
>> > Nice try, but pathetically sad. Gattuso is a psycho.
>>
>> Yeah he is...so what?
>
> You are clutching at straws, and failing.
I'm not here to please a confrontational retard like you.
Go fuck yourself, you might feel better.
Diabolik
And I'm here to please a demented idiot because...?
Paul C
wrote:
> In article <xDe7p.78759$Bg2.18...@newsfe03.ams2>,> > > From : hoddles...@googlemail.com
>
> > > When are people here going to face facts. The only person who has
> > > stated that Jordan said what he is alleged to have said is Gattuso's
> > > agent. I'm sure he's a reliable witness even if he wasn't present.
>
> > The point is Jordan had no business saying anything to Gattuso. I don't
> > remember the last time I saw a coach, assistant or otherwise, shout at
> > an opposition player.
>
> As I thought - you don't watch much football.
The point is Gattuso assaulted Jordan twice. I've seen more football
than you've had hot dinners sonny - from long before Jordan's era.
Jellore
> [William Clark <wcla...@colnospamumbus.rr.com>]
> [Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:48:16 -0500]
>
> : Manx Gunner <goal@4thegunners!.com> wrote:
> :
> : > [William Clark <wcla...@colnospamumbus.rr.com>]
> : > [Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:15:44 -0500]
> : >
> : > : UEFA should simply lock Jordan and Gattuso in a room for five minutes. I
> : > : know which one will walk out in one piece, and it won't be the Italian.
> : >
> : > You must have watched two different confrontations. Gattuso punked Jordan.
> :
> : You are joking, of course.
>
> Jordan is an old man with whom Gattuso would wipe his arse if he wished to, and
> there isn't one damned thing Jordan could do about it short of beg for mercy.
>
> Y'all puffing out your chests (and Jordan's, by proxy) talking about how his
> old arse would do anything to Gattuso at all are fooling yourselves.
>
> --
> "Look at the way teams play against Arsenal. They don't believe they can win.
> They don't believe." -- Jose Mourinho
Once again you prove yourself to be a clueless idiot.
Jellore
Well said young Paul!
Manx Gunner
[Fri, 18 Feb 2011 03:41:25 -0800 (PST)]
: > : > You must have watched two different confrontations. Gattuso punked Jordan.
: > :
: > : You are joking, of course.
: >
: > Jordan is an old man with whom Gattuso would wipe his arse if he wished to, and
: > there isn't one damned thing Jordan could do about it short of beg for mercy.
: >
: > Y'all puffing out your chests (and Jordan's, by proxy) talking about how his
: > old arse would do anything to Gattuso at all are fooling yourselves.
: Once again you prove yourself to be a clueless idiot.
Of course! My opinion is different from yours!
RED DEVIL
<goal@4thegunners!.com> wrote:
>[Jellore <jel...@bigpond.com>]
>[Fri, 18 Feb 2011 03:41:25 -0800 (PST)]
>
>: > : > You must have watched two different confrontations. Gattuso punked Jordan.
>: > :
>: > : You are joking, of course.
>: >
>: > Jordan is an old man with whom Gattuso would wipe his arse if he wished to, and
>: > there isn't one damned thing Jordan could do about it short of beg for mercy.
>: >
>: > Y'all puffing out your chests (and Jordan's, by proxy) talking about how his
>: > old arse would do anything to Gattuso at all are fooling yourselves.
>
>: Once again you prove yourself to be a clueless idiot.
>
>Of course! My opinion is different from yours!
To be fair, his response mirrors what yours usually is!
William Clark
"Diabolik" <Diab...@nospam.com> wrote:
It takes one to know one?
William Clark
"Diabolik" <Diab...@nospam.com> wrote:
Ooooh, isn't he butch when he gets angry?
Diabolik
Ohhhh, I'm not angry;) Anything else to add?
William Clark
"Diabolik" <Diab...@nospam.com> wrote:
Your little temper tantrum would indicate otherwise :-)
Starcade
> The point is Gattuso assaulted Jordan twice. I've seen more football
> than you've had hot dinners sonny - from long before Jordan's era.
And only a four-match ban. Pitiful.
Mike