Marco Van Basten is overrated!
kham...@cnsvax.uwec.edu
reactions about my opinions about the German team and players and about
the other teams that I wrote about. The main responses that I got were
concerning the caps lock. From now on I will write in lower case letters
if it makes you happy.
The issue that I want to talk about this time is Marco Van Basten.
Marco Van Basten is considred the best striker in the World, and one of the
best strikers in the history. I know that he has done alot for Holland, AC
Milan and Ajax. He has scored a lot og goals and earned a lot of titles.
Still I feel that Marco Van Basten is overrated. I agree that he is one of
the best strikers today, but I do not think that he is the best striker of all
times, and I will try to explain why.
The main reason that Marco Van Basten should not be considered the best
striker in the World is because he is inconsistant. With Holland, he
was the highest goal scorer in 88 Europan cup, but other than that he has
not been able to produce the same form for Holland as he does for AC Millan.
Marco Van Basten did not do anything for Holland and Italy 90, and he did
nothing for Holland in 92 sweden with the exception of the his cancelled goal
and the shot that hit the German goal post. Gerd Moller on the other hand
has been consistant with the German team as well as Bayern Muinchen. he was
the leaging goal scorer for bayern in most of his seasons and with the german
team he became the World Cup goal scorer and the European Championship
goal scorer twice. But still people consider Marco Van Basten to be better
than him.
let us take Michael Platini for example, he was the leading goal scorer in
France 84, and was able to get France to the Final four in Spain 82, Mexico
86 World cups. He was a player who could score goal, control the midfield and
control the team as a whole. for these reasons I think that Platini is overal
better than Van Basten. they both have won the best player award in Europe
3 times, and my guess if Milan win the European championship this year he
will probably win it for the fourth time.
Another Example is Karl Heinz Rumminge. This player was consistan with the
German team and Bayern Munichen. He won the European championship with germany
and 1980, and in spain 82 reached the final and was the 2nd goal scorer of the
tournament, but keep in mind that he was injured and he still was able to do
so. Mexico 86 he helped Germany reach the final game. He was not in his best
form in the that World Cup, but that was due to an injury which did not
prevent him from scoring one of the German goals in the final. In addition
Karl Heinz Rumminge is an all rounded player. He played as right and left
winger, midfielder, attacker and in his last years in switzerland he was
playing as a sweeper and he still had the highest goal scoring average in
that league.
These are just few examples, Marco Van Basten was choosen the best player
in Europe for 92. I ask Why? well he was the Itlain league scorer and he won
the Italian league with AC Milan. Did'nt Jean Piere Papin win the
french champion ship with Marselliam and was he not the leading goal scorer
in France. But ofcourse the Italian league is more stronger than the French!
well let us see what Papin did for France in Sweden 92 and what Van Basten
did for Holland in 92. Basten was with a strong sided team that got qualified
to the second round without Basten producing any goals or helping the team's
playing style in any way! Papin was with a team that were not able to get
there playing style together, only Papin was the player who did something for
france. he scored both their goals. keeping in mind that he did not get enough
support and he had to fight for the ball himself. still Papin was not near
Basten when the best players in Europe were choosen.
Stoichkov ( I do not know how to spell it correctly, the player from Bulgaria
playing withBareclona). He was the Spainsh leaging goal scorer, and he won
the spanich championship with Barcelona. But then again people say the the
spanish league is not as strong or competitve as the italian League and
bulgaria did not Qulaify to sweden 92. First did'nt Barcelona win the
European Chamionship with Barclona and was'nt he a big factor in it, but still
he was not voted the player of Europe.
Let us take it from another angle. Let us compare players from the scale
of there pressence. Imagine Juventus (84-87) without Platini, or Gerd Muller
without Germany and Bayern (in the 70's) or Papin without france and Marsellia
ohh what I meant imagine the teams without the players ( I mixed things around)
and then imagine AC milan and Holland without Basten. Juvents and France would
not have been as succesful as they were without paltini and we can see
the same with france, Marsellia, Germany and Bayern without Papin and gerd
Muller. AC Millan is playing without Basten and there are doing well.
I am not saying basten's pressence is not important, I am saying that the
pressence of Platini, Muller, Papin is more important.
to conclude this I want to make clear that I am saynig that marco Van Basten
does not deserve to be Europe's number 1 in 92, and that the statement that he
is the best striker ever is wrong. As mentioned earlier I think he is one the
best strikers around today, but overal I think he is an overrated star.
If you have any comments please post them. I know a lot of Van Basten fans
will have a lot to say and maybe correct me if I was wrong or failed
to mention something that is relevent here.
later guys.
Jordan, The Prince of Romance.
raymond joseph zeuner
Hey Prince Of Romance.
CHILL OUT.
saying Van Basten is overrated is a very powerful remark.
I'm sure when he was picked best player in Europe in `92,
Papin was also considered but only one person can win the award
Michael From
In thread with the title of your posting I would say, that in your
oppinion, the value of Papin is strongly overrated compared with Marco
van Basten. Papin is one heck of a forward, but he's ONLY a forward.
He's the kind of player, that needs a good midfield to score. van
Basten on the other hand can create goal-opportunities for others as
well as he can score the goals. All things considered I still believe,
that van Bastens "titles" are well deserved (And I am not even dutch :-).
Oh yeah...just remembered...France (With Papin playing and Platini as
coach) really kicked ass at the EC92 in Sweden, didn't they?...NOT!!
Michael
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: AC Milan is playing without Basten and there are doing well.
AC Milan haven't won a league game since the beginning of March, they're
knocked out of the Italian Cup, they've (as I just read on teletext) lost to
Juventus at home 1-3, and - here's my point - they're clearly not playing as
well as with Van Basten. Also, Milan have a large potential of players, so
if they weren't doing that badly you could say that it could be because
the other players are 'not bad'.
On the other hand, I don't think these 'Player of the Year'-awards say so much,
apart from playing well, you have to be playing in a team that is in the
headlines (eg. AC Milan, OM, German National Team/Internazionale). And, in those
teams, the focus, at least by the people who select PotY's, is mostly at
strikers or attacking midfield players and not so much at the other people who
make a team.
Martin.
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'The Prince of Romace' (which is even vaguer and destroyes the tiny little
value of the posting that was left) Michael From Soerensen writes:
>
> In thread with the title of your posting I would say, that in your
> oppinion, the value of Papin is strongly overrated compared with Marco
> van Basten. Papin is one heck of a forward, but he's ONLY a forward.
> He's the kind of player, that needs a good midfield to score. van
> Basten on the other hand can create goal-opportunities for others as
> well as he can score the goals. All things considered I still believe,
> that van Bastens "titles" are well deserved (And I am not even dutch :-).
First of all, that prince-thing is only up to reactions and tries to insult
people or attack people and then wants reactions. If it wasn't for the reaction
I wouldn't reply to it, because these postings only lead to trash on RSS. Maybe
this jurk(in/ess) should post on the soc.culture board of his country.
Then again, the point Michael makes is much more interesting, then the
everlasting postings about soccer players that are good, but by some people not
beloved and than attacked (like van Basten is now). Michael says here that it
is not important how many goals you score, but how you play. In that point of
view Marco is one of the best and maybe THE best player in the world. Of course
there have also been players like Cruyff, Rumenigue and Maradonna, which could
create chances for others and score goals as well. This capability is one of
the major lacks some current top-strikers have. Strikers should not need others
to score and play, they should be able to create scoring-possibilities and then
score!
So, -prince- next time try to make a point in your postings, try to be aware of
the things you write about and then think if you should post again...
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Hari Seldon
And boy can he score goals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Van Basten is the greatest player of this era.
Sorry Maradona, your Hand-of-God, whiny disposition
and Italia '90 theatrics deprive you of the title!
Shashi.
"Forza Van Basten!"
Ps: USA '94 watch out for Gianluigi Lentini.
Prediction---> WC '94 final: Italy vs Germany
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Mario Smarduch
a good finisher. Van Bastens poor World Cup record, leads one to wonder if he
belongs among the top players in the world (I think same goes for Papin, but
that's another story). The marking is at its tightest in the World Cup, Van Basten
failure in WC '90 leads me to believe that he's a good club player and occasionally
he can suprise you in an international match, but he's NOT that one player (like
Maradona, Platini, e.g.) that can dominate the game. A player can be called
great only after he does well in the WC.
Rosponding to a previous netter where he wrote that there are no superstars
around these days as there use to be 10, 20 years ago, I have the following
response. Now a days big money is involved, and the marking is much tighter
then ever before, plus with advances of sports medicine and training, players are
continually bigger, faster, stronger thus the compitition is much harder. I
think that allot of the players 10, 20 years ago would not be as good today.
That's why I believe that Maradona is greatest player ever because he competed
in the most defensive era of soccer.
Mario.
Louis Kossen
>I disagree with your statement above. Van Basten is not a creative player, he's
>a good finisher.
You have missed the point of football. Van Basten not creative? Watch
AC Milan and you know what the are 'lacking' at this moment.
(still some good players left).
Louis
Paul Devine
: I disagree with your statement above. Van Basten is not a creative player, he's
: a good finisher. Van Bastens poor World Cup record, leads one to wonder if he
: belongs among the top players in the world (I think same goes for Papin, but
: that's another story). The marking is at its tightest in the World Cup, Van Basten
: failure in WC '90 leads me to believe that he's a good club player and occasionally
: he can suprise you in an international match, but he's NOT that one player (like
: Maradona, Platini, e.g.) that can dominate the game. A player can be called
: great only after he does well in the WC.
...etc...
I don't agree with you that a player can be called great only after he
does well in the WC. Take George Best as an example, described by Pele
(at one stage of his career) as the world's greatest football player,
and George Best never
even competed at world cup final level! As for Van Basten, that's
another matter since the Dutch team in WC90 were in a state of internal
squabbling etc. Give the guy a chance in WC94 (if they make it to the
finals).
Paul.
Mario Smarduch
Exactly, which just supports what I said, Milan lacks a finisher. Let me give you an
example in WC' 90 Maradona scored no goals and Van Basten scored no goals, yet why
did Maradona make a bigger impact? Because he was very creative, Brazil managed to
shut him out 85 minutes, but then on that one chance he got his magic going and
created the goal for Caneggia. I'll even go one step further and say that traditionally
European scorers are good finishers but not skillfull players (unlike most
South American scorers), remember Rossi, Boniek, Mueller (German star in the 70's
e.g....).
Mario.
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In article <1993Apr23.0...@aie.nl> lo...@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:
In article <1993Apr22.2...@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> smar...@ssd.comm.mot.com (Mario Smarduch) writes:
##I disagree with your statement above. Van Basten is not a creative player, he's
##a good finisher.
#you have missed the point of football. Van Basten not creative? Watch
#AC Milan and you know what the are 'lacking' at this moment.
#(still some good players left).
#Louis
Mario Smarduch
say that: "my uncle is the most talented player ever but he never got a chance to
play". Who knows maybe there were even more talented musicians then Mozart, but no
one knows about them. WC is the main event in football, and in my opinion is the
standard against which players are compared. It may be that perhaps Van Basten
just had an unlucky WC 90, but after all none of us knows the reason. So we can
only assume that he's not good enough to compete on such a level, simply because
there is no other evidance to show otherwise.
Mario.
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In article <1993Apr23.0...@syma.sussex.ac.uk> pau...@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Paul Devine) writes:
##Mario Smarduch (smar...@ssd.comm.mot.com) wrote:
##: I disagree with your statement above. Van Basten is not a creative player, he's
##: a good finisher. Van Bastens poor World Cup record, leads one to wonder if he
##
##...etc...
#
# I don't agree with you that a player can be called great only after he
#does well in the WC. Take George Best as an example, described by Pele
#(at one stage of his career) as the world's greatest football player,
#and George Best never
#even competed at world cup final level! As for Van Basten, that's
#another matter since the Dutch team in WC90 were in a state of internal
#squabbling etc. Give the guy a chance in WC94 (if they make it to the
#finals).
#
#Paul.
Hari Seldon
God!!!!!!!!! The number of ignorant people out there never ceases to
surprise me. To say things like "I don't support Milan!" or "I don't like
the fact that Milan wins all the time!" is one thing. Everyone, obviously,
cannot be expected to be a Milan supporter. That would be no fun. But how
can anyone make a completely asinine statement like "Van Basten is not a good
finisher"???????????
Whoever made that statement is obviously starved of facts (like being
highest scorer in Italy is not an easy task) or is just too damned prejuduced
to admit the truth.
So please, lets keep these discussions within the realm of reality.
Shashi.
"Forza Van Basten!"
Gustaaf Van Moorsel
>
> Exactly, which just supports what I said, Milan lacks a finisher.
Van Basten has led the Italian topscorer list for some years in a row, and
then Milan lacks a finisher? I suppose Paris lacks nightlife, too?
> European scorers are good finishers but not skillfull players (unlike most
> South American scorers), remember Rossi, Boniek, Mueller (German star in the 70's
> e.g....).
What does Boniek do here in this list? He scored many goals, but was (is)
certainly not the finisher-only type. Still, you have a point here, although
I would not call people like Rossi and Mueller not skillful: being a continuous
threat in the opponents penalty area takes a lot of skill. These players
will not even attempt to pass one player; they know far too well that
their strength lies elsewhere. I think I've never seen Gerd Mueller touch
a ball more than twice per ball possession. It is indeed a type of player
I've rarely if ever seen among South Americans. If I had, more world
championships would have gone there, I'm sure.
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Mario Smarduch
In article <94...@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd...@prism.gatech.EDU (Hari Seldon) writes:
#
#
#
#cannot be expected to be a Milan supporter. That would be no fun. But how
#
#can anyone make a completely asinine statement like "Van Basten is not a good
#
#finisher"???????????
Van Basten is good player, and a great finisher.
Mario.
Marcelo Weinberger
In article <1993Apr23.2...@chaos.aoc.nrao.edu>,
gvan...@aoc.nrao.edu (Gustaaf Van Moorsel) writes:
|> In article 21...@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com, smar...@ssd.comm.mot.com
(Mario Smarduch) writes:
|>
|> > European scorers are good finishers but not skillfull players
(unlike most
|> > e.g....).
|>
|> ... you have a point here, although I would not
|> call people like Rossi and Mueller not skillful: being a continuous
|> threat in the opponents penalty area takes a lot of skill. These players
|> will not even attempt to pass one player; they know far too well that
|> their strength lies elsewhere. I think I've never seen Gerd Mueller touch
|> a ball more than twice per ball possession. It is indeed a type of player
|> I've rarely if ever seen among South Americans. If I had, more world
|> championships would have gone there, I'm sure.
|>
I can remember several South American players of this kind, most of
them Argentineans. The more extreme case I have seen is Luis Artime, a
formidable Argentinean scorer who was at his best during the 1964-1972
period. He was an extreme case for two reasons: first, his skill of
being in the right place at the right time was incredible, and second,
his lack of any other skill was incredible too. In 1969, after having
starred at River and Independiente, he arrived to Nacional (of Uruguay),
and with his and other arrivals the long ruling of Pen~arol during the
sixties came to an end. His goals were crucial for Nacional to win the
Libertadores and the Intercontinental Cups in 1971. I also remember him
as a real gentleman. Another Argentinean of the same kind that played
for Nacional was Sanfilippo, in the early sixties.
In Spanish, this kind of players are called "pescadores". Since most
European teams nowadays play with only 2 forwards, such players are no
longer possible. However, in South America you still have teams using
the traditional 4-3-3, with two wings, and the center-forward is very
often just a scorer. But you need two wings like the ones that played
with Artime at Nacional, either dribblers as Luis Cubilla, or runners as
Julio C. Morales.
--Marcelo Weinberger
IBM-Almaden Research Center
Sergio E. Adeff
Marcello account of Argentinean vanbastens is really accurate, Artime being the
most consistent one. He didn't do as well in WC, though (pretty much as Van
Basten) so he truly is the equivalent one. But he got tired of winning
championships for his club teams.
Now because this other guy was wonderful at a WC Gustav remembers too well,
I would actually say that Van Basten is a Dutch kempesian. Kempes didn't
do as well for club teams though.
Sergio Adeff
Marcelo Weinberger
In article <meadeff.735932402@sadeff>, mea...@sadeff.vislab.olemiss.edu
(Sergio E. Adeff) writes:
|>
|> Marcelo account of Argentinean vanbastens is really accurate, Artime
|> (pretty much as Van Basten) so he truly is the equivalent one. But
|>
|> ...Kempes didn't do as well for club teams though.
|>
|> Sergio Adeff
It might be inferred from Sergio's reference that I see Van Basten as
just a scorer, like Artime, which is not the case at all. He is much,
much more than that. I can remember one Southamerican counterpart, at an
obviously lower level though: Fernando Morena, Pen~arol's and Valencia's
forward of the seventies and early eighties. Besides being a great
scorer (he scored something like 700 goals during his career), he was
able to play anywhere in the field. And, what a coincidence, he also was
really bad with the national team (the Uruguayan), while getting tired
of winning championships for his club teams (Libertadores and Toyota
Cups with Pen~arol in 1982, the UEFA Cup with Valencia some years before
that, but I'm less sure about this one). BTW, Sergio, his fellow forward
in Valencia was Kempes.
As for Artime's performance with the national team, I don't remember
how well he did in WC'66, but since then he didn't have another
opportunity! He wasn't responsible for Argentina's elimination of WC'70
(remember the Peruvian "Cachito" Ramirez?), since before '74 it was not
customary in South America to bring players that are playing abroad to
play for the national team (Artime was playing in Uruguay and also in
Brasil, for Palmeiras). And this raises the question: when did national
teams start using their "foreign legion"? Did Europeans use them before
that? For example, did Luis Suarez play for the Spanish national team
while being in Italy? (Sorry, I can't remember other examples in Western
Europe.) Because in South America, Argentina and Uruguay started using
them only in WC'74. And there were plenty of examples of stars playing
overseas before that. Just consider:
- Di Stefano and Sivori didn't play for Argentina since they left the
country. Can you imagine a mid-field with these two players in the
late fifties?
- Schiaffino and Santamaria didn't play for Uruguay after '55, when they
left for Milan and Real Madrid, respectively.
- Many, many Uruguayan players that were playing in Argentina during the
sixties (100 miles away from Montevideo, so the distance was not a
factor!) were not taken into account. Some examples: Matosas, Cubilla,
Pavoni. The first two played for the national team again only in
WC'70, after "returning home", and Pavoni in WC'74, when he was
already too old. I can even bring examples from 1950 (Walter Gomez,
the Uruguayan that was signed by River Plate some months before WC'50
and was forced to leave the national team).
- In 1970, Brasil did have a great goalie, non comparable to the
ridiculous Felix: Manga, who was playing for Nacional in Montevideo.
He was almost as good as the best Southamerican goalie of these years,
Mazurkiewicz. I know that Brasilians blame him for their poor
performance in WC'66, but anyway, Manga was a superb goalkeeper.
- The superb attack of Pen~arol's team in the sixties was based on
Spencer and Joya, from Ecuador and Peru respectively. Since they
joined Pen~arol, they didn't play for their national teams any more.
And during those years, Spencer was probably the second best
center-forward in the world, behind the great Eusebio of course.
This are just a few examples and, again, I would appreciate if any
European poster can tell me what was the situation in Europe before
WC'74 and, if he knows, what was the reason for that.
--Marcelo
Marcelo Weinberger
IBM-Almaden Research Center
Sergio E. Adeff
Italians did exactly the other extreme of what South Americans were doing at
the time (see Marcelo's account of SA rejecting players playing in foreign
lands before WC74). They imported foreigners of Italian ascendancy and have
them playing on the Italian team!. Italy used TWO famous Argentinean players
to WIN a world cup. One of them had played for Argentina in the PREVIOUS
world cup!. Remember the names ? I give you a cue: The one who played for
both the Arg. & Ita. teams begun with M.
I think Spain did the same with another Argentinean. Anyone to help here ?
Sergio Adeff
Paul R Conte
Luisito Monti and Gaudia(?) for Italy?
Alredo DiStefano for Spain?
btw, Sergio, Italian immigrants had a lot of influence on Argentinian
soccer. :-)
- Paul
Sergio E. Adeff
>In article <meadeff.736045717@sadeff> mea...@sadeff.vislab.olemiss.edu (Sergio E. Adeff) writes:
>>
>>Italians did exactly the other extreme of what South Americans were doing at
>>the time (see Marcelo's account of SA rejecting players playing in foreign
>>lands before WC74). They imported foreigners of Italian ascendancy and have
>>them playing on the Italian team!. Italy used TWO famous Argentinean players
>>to WIN a world cup. One of them had played for Argentina in the PREVIOUS
>>world cup!. Remember the names ? I give you a cue: The one who played for
>>both the Arg. & Ita. teams begun with M.
>>I think Spain did the same with another Argentinean. Anyone to help here ?
>>
>>Sergio Adeff
>>
>Luisito Monti and Gaudia(?) for Italy?
Try Mas...
>Alredo DiStefano for Spain?
Yes (Alfredo). Did marvels for Real Madrid who dominated Europe for a while.
DiStefano would have been King before Pele if people would have been caring
about who is best those years.
>btw, Sergio, Italian immigrants had a lot of influence on Argentinian
>soccer. :-)
Absolutey. But only born Argentineans have played with the national team.
Italian immigrants have enormous influence in everything Argentinean, as
much as Spaniard immigrants. There was no animosity towards Italy in my
comment.
>- Paul
Sergio Adeff
Marcelo Weinberger
|> In <1993Apr29....@unlv.edu> bri...@unlv.edu (Paul R Conte) writes:
|>
|> >In article <meadeff.736045717@sadeff>
mea...@sadeff.vislab.olemiss.edu (Sergio E. Adeff) writes:
|> >>
|> >>Italians did exactly the other extreme of what South Americans were
|> >>doing at the time (see Marcelo's account of SA rejecting players
|> >>playing in foreign lands before WC74). They imported foreigners of
|> >>Italian ascendancy and have them playing on the Italian team!.
|> >>Italy used TWO famous Argentinean players to WIN a world cup.
|> >>
|> >>
|>
|> >Luisito Monti and Gaudia(?) for Italy?
|>
|>
I think the other one was called Orsi. And they also did have a
Uruguayan player in their WC'34 team: Andreolo. I also think that
Santamaria played for Spain (not in a WC) after having played for
Uruguay in WC'54. But there are also examples across the Atlantic Ocean.
The most impressive I can remember is Juan Eduardo Hohberg, a superb
striker that played for Uruguay in WC'54, especially remembered for the
semi-finals game against Hungary, which many people believe to have been
the most exciting WC game ever. After a 2-0 Hungarian lead in the first
half, Hohberg scored twice. Then, in the last minute, he kicked a ball
that was stopped by a puddle before entering the goal. Hungary
deservedly won in overtime 4-2, and this was the first game in WC
history lost by Uruguay. Well, this Hohberg was born in Cordoba,
Argentina, and he even played some soccer there. A similar example: the
left wing of the world champions in WC'50, Vidal, was born in Argentina
(but I think that he was quite young when he went to Uruguay).
I go back to my original question: does someone remember a player
that was playing abroad and anyway played for his national team, before
1974?
Marcelo
PS for Spanish speakers: Cuando Hohberg empato, un relator de radio
uruguayo dijo una frase que quedo como uno de
esos mitos imborrables: "El leon sacude su
melena". Frase solo superada por el "Tuya,
Hector" con que solia firmar un uruguayo en
r.s.s.
Paul R Conte
> I go back to my original question: does someone remember a player
>that was playing abroad and anyway played for his national team, before
>1974?
>Marcelo
I think Luis Vinicio Melendez played for Napoli and Lane Rossi
Vicenza in the 60's, and also played for Brasilian natioanl team at
the same time. Also, there many Scottish and English players played
for clubs in each others' leagues, but still played for their
respective nat'l teams. Another Argentian player I think is Combin who
played for AC Milan and played for Argentinian national team in the
60's. Oh, another one: Jair (sp?) for Inter Milan and Brasil in the
60's I think.
- Paul