HAYDAYS Results
Bert & Diane DelaBruere
all be patient and wait until the official results are posted by the Host of
Haydays who is www.snobarons.com . Just a reminder that there is 5 different
classes 1) Stock A, B, C, D, E & G (What 95% ride), 2) Improved Stock which
I have heard more than once the XC-700 won with 3 SRX 700 right behind it,
3) Pro-stock, 4) Heavy Mod., 5) Open Mod.. The class that I am
most interest in is the Stock classes as this is what most of us Sled Heads
will be driving this Winter. Thanks Bert D.
SLSFormula
David Fhlug
are there. Looks like Yamaha and Hauck won the manufacturers cup.
Dave
Jsflagstad
Wow, looking through the results it seems Yamaha did rather well!!
Bash the Yammies all you want guys, it aint gonna make 'em any slower....ceeya!
JSF
99 700 SX
Dan H
trail stkB:2nd XC twin
trailSS700 1,2,3 XC
trailSS700 4th yammy
I don't know I think these are the only real stock classes, seems to me yammy had
to make a triple to compete with a twin, The one thing I will say about Polaris is,
they do have the balls to put there twins up against anybody's triples, and not
shame themselves.
Dan H XC700
Jsflagstad wrote:
--
ON THE TRAIL FOR MISSING CHILDREN
http://www.pinenet.com/~trex/onthetrail.html
It is a great ride for an even greater cause
So please pass the word Thank you
Jsflagstad
>I don't know I think these are the only real stock classes, seems to me yammy
>had
>to make a triple to compete with a twin, The one thing I will say about
>Polaris is,
>they do have the balls to put there twins up against anybody's triples, and
>not
>shame themselves.
It's kind of funny how things make a turn sometimes. All I heard on this news
group before was that the twins were sooo much better than the triples. And
that having a triple was a disadvantage...... Now you are saying that having a
triple is an advantage? Well, I dont think so.....I believe it is all based on
displacement. A triple and a twin of the same displacement SHOULD be able to
make the same horse power numbers, now they may peak at different rpm's, but
thats where clutching and gearing comes into play.
Now, if you still feel that your Polaris twin is at a disadvantage to the
Yamaha triple, I can see it only being the fact that it produces more vibration
due to pitching larger slugs (pistons) a longer distance (stroke). Yes,
vibration kills horsepower and thats why I bought a Yamaha.
Most of the XC owners say that these sleds don't vibrate, if this is
true.....then there is no concrete advantage or disadvantage.
JSF
99 YAMAHA 700 SX
Rob Lyons
Looks like the original results on the stock classes were just like we
thought!
Pol-4 wins
Ski doo-2 wins
Arctic Cat-1 win
Yamaha- zero wins
Stock G Terry Kyle / Glenwood City, WI 1st Polaris XCR
Stock F Guy Parquette / Mosinee, WI 1st Ski Doo MXZ-X
Stock E Breton Guy / Quebec, Canada 1st Ski Doo MXZX
Stock D Tim Naig / Graettinger, IA 1st Polaris XC SP
Stock C Kelly Shilts / New Richmond, WI 1st Arctic Cat ZRT
Stock B Chad Erlandson / Brainerd, MN 1st Polaris XZ
Stock A Matt Delorenzo / Voorhessville, NY 1st Polaris XCR
Dan H
but I have said a twin at least the USA twin makes better torque on the bottom.
And why doesn't yammy make a twin to keep up with the 700usa motor, cause they
cant, they want to take the easy way out and just go for the triple.
And anybody that says the 700usa twin doesn't vibrate is a liar they vibrate.
But still by the looks of the race results in the stock classes at least (the ones
that might be trailable yet) I didn't see the yammy700 go crazy It looked like a
tie to me.
Dan H XC700
Jsflagstad wrote:
--
MIKE R MILLS
Trail Stk AA Jim Tinaglia / Arlington Hts, IL 1st Ski Doo MACH Z
Trail Stk A Mitch Thies / Coon Rapids, MN 1st Yamaha SRX
Trail Stk B Mitch Thies / Coon Rapids, MN 1st Yamaha SRX
Trail Stk C Kirk Reed / Reginiasask, Can S4n 7l2 1st Yamaha SRX
Trail Stk D Zeke Elkin / New Richmond, WI 1st Ski Doo MXZ
Trail Stk E Brian Mc Curdy Jr / Chicago City, MN 1st Arctic Cat SNO PRO
Trail Stk F Jason Nelson / Eagle Bend, MN 1st Ski Doo MXZX
Looks to me like:
Yamaha- 3
Ski-Doo -3
Arctic Cat-1
Polaris-1
Rob Lyons <r...@together.net> wrote in message
news:37deb984...@news.newsguy.com...
Rob Lyons
Pol-5
Ski doo-5
Yam-3
Arctic Cat-2
Jim Bryant
99 results click on: http://www.snobarons.com/raceresults.cfm and just see
who's right.
Jim
Sno-Barons Web Master
JCB
MIKE R MILLS wrote in message
<7rmjrv$1jjc$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>...
Looks like everybody can come up with the info that makes them happy. You
can't ask for better than that. Nobody has listed the piano and watercraft
classes yet. =)
Johnny Canuck
97 ZR580EFI
00SRX700
come they dominated last years Haydays Every class Ingrid Nelson won every stock
class and open. I have the print out if you want a copy. Hey some days ya win other
days ya don't.
markus wrote:
> Gotta try harder than that Bill, I will compare trophy walls with you any time,
> and wit's, well that's a no brainer for one of us.
>
> Can't have it both ways can you? Leave the racing to the other 3, ( remember
> in our world there are other sleds ). Yamaha makes a great trail sled, racer no
> way. Haydays it appears thay won the least, ( yes I know, no time to tune ).
> What will it be next time?
>
> Markus.
>
> >Subject: Re: HAYDAYS Results
> >From: ultra...@aol.com (ULTRASTRYK)
> >Date: Tue, 14 September 1999 10:06 PM EDT
> >Message-id: <19990914220605...@ng-bg1.aol.com>
> >
> >>
> >>What classes are there where you come from Bill? In Bill's Blue world where
> >>all the ones Yamaha won?
> >>
> >>Markus.
> >
> >Well Markus, us rednecks here in the east have stock studded, stock
> >unstudded,
> >trail stock, open mod etc etc. I guess the only racing you have seen or done
> >is
> >here on the computer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Sweat stains, dirt stains, tear stains, blood stains, how do you want to ride
> today?
ULTRASTRYK
>they do have the balls to put there twins up against anybody's triples, and
>not
>shame themselves.
>
>
Or you could say that since their triple 700 was so slow, they got out of the
market. I think it was called the Ultra then the XCR700.
In the real world, the XC700 doesn't come close to an SRX. There are several in
our group, and they usually sit on the side of the lake and watch.
Jsflagstad
>Trail Stk AA Jim Tinaglia / Arlington Hts, IL 1st Ski Doo MACH Z
>Trail Stk A Mitch Thies / Coon Rapids, MN 1st Yamaha SRX
>Trail Stk B Mitch Thies / Coon Rapids, MN 1st Yamaha SRX
>Trail Stk C Kirk Reed / Reginiasask, Can S4n 7l2 1st Yamaha SRX
>Trail Stk D Zeke Elkin / New Richmond, WI 1st Ski Doo MXZ
>Trail Stk E Brian Mc Curdy Jr / Chicago City, MN 1st Arctic Cat SNO PRO
>Trail Stk F Jason Nelson / Eagle Bend, MN 1st Ski Doo MXZX
>
>Looks to me like:
>Yamaha- 3
>Ski-Doo -3
>Arctic Cat-1
>Polaris-1
Yes, this seems to be a bit more accurate.....these other guys must be using
that new Polaris computer that tells them what they want to hear...but is
substandard to the rest of the computers on the market.
Like I said before, they can bash the Yammies all they want, but it aint gonna
make us any slower........ =~)
JSF
99 700 SX
ULTRASTRYK
>Most of the XC owners say that these sleds don't vibrate, if this is
>true.....then there is no concrete advantage or disadvantage.
>
>JSF
>99 YAMAHA 700 SX
>
The XC I rented last year made my hands numb.
ULTRASTRYK
>
>Stock F Guy Parquette / Mosinee, WI 1st Ski Doo MXZ-X
>
>Stock E Breton Guy / Quebec, Canada 1st Ski Doo MXZX
>
>Stock D Tim Naig / Graettinger, IA 1st Polaris XC SP
>
>Stock C Kelly Shilts / New Richmond, WI 1st Arctic Cat ZRT
>
>Stock B Chad Erlandson / Brainerd, MN 1st Polaris XZ
>
>Stock A Matt Delorenzo / Voorhessville, NY 1st Polaris XCR
>
I guess these are the only classes where you come from.
ULTRASTRYK
>And why doesn't yammy make a twin to keep up with the 700usa motor, cause
>they
>cant, they want to take the easy way out and just go for the triple.
>
We'll use your logic and say that Polaris couldn't compete in the 700 triple
category, that's why they got out. >
>But still by the looks of the race results in the stock classes at least (the
>ones
>that might be trailable yet) I didn't see the yammy700 go crazy It looked
>like a
>tie to me.
Let's see, the racers have had 2 or 3 years to dial in the XC. The SRX boys
have had these for 3 weeks. The clutching changed, along with the port timing
etc. Last years clutching tweaks don't work on the 2000. When Bender gets back
from Alaska after testing, their clutching tweaks will have the SRX way out in
front.
Bill
Jsflagstad
>seems to me yammy
>> >had
>> >to make a triple to compete with a twin, The one thing I will say about
>> >Polaris is,
>> >they do have the balls to put there twins up against anybody's triples,
>and
>> >not
>> >shame themselves.
And then you went on to say:
>I have never said that their was a advantage or disadvantage of a twin or
>triple,
>but I have said a twin at least the USA twin makes better torque on the
>bottom.
Are we speaking a different language here? Seems to me in the first quote you
are drawing a large difference between the two, and in the 2nd quote, you say
"I never said that".
And what is this "at least the USA Twin makes better torque on the bottom" all
about? Better torque than what? As I said before, they are both capable of
making the same hp given the same displacement, just that the triple will have
the torque curve a bit higher. And as I said, this is what gears and clutching
are for. My little 700 triple has never lost a hole shot to a comperable twin
700 yet, yes because it is clutched and geared correctly.
Now Trex, this is pretty much the same things we went over in the last
post.....If you still don't get it maybe I can draw you some pictures (in
crayon if that is easier for you) and send them to you.
Let me end in saying, you said "Why doesn't Yammie build a twin to compete with
Polaris' 700"? My answer to that is, because I would not want a 700 twin in my
SX and besides, what is there to compete with?
JSF
99 700 SX
ULTRASTRYK
>Trail SS700 Paula Orchard / Dousman, WI 1st Polaris XC
>Trail Stk AA Jim Tinaglia / Arlington Hts, IL 1st Ski Doo MACH Z
>Trail Stk A Mitch Thies / Coon Rapids, MN 1st Yamaha SRX
>Trail Stk B Mitch Thies / Coon Rapids, MN 1st Yamaha SRX
>Trail Stk C Kirk Reed / Reginiasask, Can S4n 7l2 1st Yamaha SRX
>Trail Stk D Zeke Elkin / New Richmond, WI 1st Ski Doo MXZ
>Trail Stk E Brian Mc Curdy Jr / Chicago City, MN 1st Arctic Cat SNO PRO
>Trail Stk F Jason Nelson / Eagle Bend, MN 1st Ski Doo MXZX
>
>Looks to me like:
>Yamaha- 3
>Ski-Doo -3
>Arctic Cat-1
>Polaris-1
>
>news:37deb984...@news.newsguy.com...
>> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:23:15 -0400 (EDT), Dave...@webtv.net (David
>> Fhlug) wrote:
>>
>> >For HayDays results go to th SWDRA website, www.swdra.org. The results
>> >are there. Looks like Yamaha and Hauck won the manufacturers cup.
>> >
>> Looks like the original results on the stock classes were just like we
>> thought!
>>
>> Pol-4 wins
>> Ski doo-2 wins
>> Arctic Cat-1 win
>> Yamaha- zero wins
>>
>>
>> Stock F Guy Parquette / Mosinee, WI 1st Ski Doo MXZ-X
>>
>> Stock E Breton Guy / Quebec, Canada 1st Ski Doo MXZX
>>
>> Stock D Tim Naig / Graettinger, IA 1st Polaris XC SP
>>
>> Stock C Kelly Shilts / New Richmond, WI 1st Arctic Cat ZRT
>>
>> Stock B Chad Erlandson / Brainerd, MN 1st Polaris XZ
>>
>> Stock A Matt Delorenzo / Voorhessville, NY 1st Polaris XCR
>>
>
>
>
>
>
Some of you Polaris guys talk like you have never been to a grass drag before.
You think Stock is the only class. There are dozens of classes. Some manf. set
them up too conservative from the factory, while some are more responsive to
minor tweaks. The old Ultras were dogs out of the box, but were rockets with
some clutching and jetting changes.
SRXfreak
and you told me to settle down?! hehe
Mark"SRXfreak" on Vicadin (settled right down)
markus
all the ones Yamaha won?
Markus.
>Subject: Re: HAYDAYS Results
>From: ultra...@aol.com (ULTRASTRYK)
>Date: Tue, 14 September 1999 08:41 PM EDT
>Message-id: <19990914204126...@ng-bg1.aol.com>
>
>>Stock G Terry Kyle / Glenwood City, WI 1st Polaris XCR
>>
>>Stock F Guy Parquette / Mosinee, WI 1st Ski Doo MXZ-X
>>
>>Stock E Breton Guy / Quebec, Canada 1st Ski Doo MXZX
>>
>>Stock D Tim Naig / Graettinger, IA 1st Polaris XC SP
>>
>>Stock C Kelly Shilts / New Richmond, WI 1st Arctic Cat ZRT
>>
>>Stock B Chad Erlandson / Brainerd, MN 1st Polaris XZ
>>
>>Stock A Matt Delorenzo / Voorhessville, NY 1st Polaris XCR
>>
>
>I guess these are the only classes where you come from.
>
>
>
>
>
>
ULTRASTRYK
>Now Trex, this is pretty much the same things we went over in the last
>post.....If you still don't get it maybe I can draw you some pictures (in
>crayon if that is easier for you) and send them to you.
>
>Let me end in saying, you said "Why doesn't Yammie build a twin to compete
>with
>Polaris' 700"? My answer to that is, because I would not want a 700 twin in
>my
>SX and besides, what is there to compete with?
>
>JSF
>99 700 SX
>
Jordan, Jordan, Jordan
You can't argue with these Polaris guys, they just don't know quality. If you
have never driven a BMW, you think an Escort is really nice.
Now I, on the other hand have experienced Polaris', so I can argue with these
guys. I paid my dues on those XLT's(and they talk about Yamahas crank problem.
At least Yamaha covered theirs) and that Ultra pc. of crap(after rejetting,
reclutching, and a piston, it ran OK). Once they take the time and swallow some
pride and ride and SRX for a day, they will switch.
Bill
SLSFormula
ULTRASTRYK
>What classes are there where you come from Bill? In Bill's Blue world where
>all the ones Yamaha won?
>
>Markus.
Well Markus, us rednecks here in the east have stock studded, stock unstudded,
ULTRASTRYK
>Gotta try harder than that Bill, I will compare trophy walls with you any
>time,
>and wit's, well that's a no brainer for one of us.
>
>Can't have it both ways can you? Leave the racing to the other 3, ( remember
>in our world there are other sleds ). Yamaha makes a great trail sled, racer
>no
>way. Haydays it appears thay won the least, ( yes I know, no time to tune ).
>
>What will it be next time?
>
>Markus.
If you thought stock was the only class, you can't have too many trophies.
Let's talk about the real world here - your sled and mine. Where do you ride, I
drive 11 hours to go to Quebec, I am sure you are no further.
Why do you think Ford wins more races in Nascar than Pontiac? Maybe because
there are alot more Ford entries. But then why does Pontiac when some days?
Bottom line is you only need to worry about what your sled can do, not your
heros at the races that you want to be like.
See you in my mirror.
markus
and wit's, well that's a no brainer for one of us.
Can't have it both ways can you? Leave the racing to the other 3, ( remember
in our world there are other sleds ). Yamaha makes a great trail sled, racer no
way. Haydays it appears thay won the least, ( yes I know, no time to tune ).
What will it be next time?
Markus.
>Subject: Re: HAYDAYS Results
>From: ultra...@aol.com (ULTRASTRYK)
>Date: Tue, 14 September 1999 10:06 PM EDT
>Message-id: <19990914220605...@ng-bg1.aol.com>
>
>>
markus
fast as yours, and be as good as you some day.
11 hours? Hum, don't you run out of fingers to count that high? Me in your
mirror? I would bet you don't stay out of the brush long enough to keep
mirrors on your sled.
Remeber Quebec has turns and bumps, is your beloved SRX up for that? I could
certainly be convinced for a ride, but I do hate to see grown men cry....
Markus.
>Subject: Re: HAYDAYS Results
>From: ultra...@aol.com (ULTRASTRYK)
>Date: Tue, 14 September 1999 10:25 PM EDT
>Message-id: <19990914222547...@ng-bg1.aol.com>
>
>>
>>Gotta try harder than that Bill, I will compare trophy walls with you any
>>time,
>>and wit's, well that's a no brainer for one of us.
>>
>>Can't have it both ways can you? Leave the racing to the other 3, (
>remember
>>in our world there are other sleds ). Yamaha makes a great trail sled, racer
>>no
>>way. Haydays it appears thay won the least, ( yes I know, no time to tune
>).
>>
>>What will it be next time?
>>
>>Markus.
>
>If you thought stock was the only class, you can't have too many trophies.
>Let's talk about the real world here - your sled and mine. Where do you ride,
>I
>drive 11 hours to go to Quebec, I am sure you are no further.
>Why do you think Ford wins more races in Nascar than Pontiac? Maybe because
>there are alot more Ford entries. But then why does Pontiac when some days?
>
>Bottom line is you only need to worry about what your sled can do, not your
>heros at the races that you want to be like.
>
>See you in my mirror.
>
>
>
>
>
>
ULTRASTRYK
>My hero is you Bill, no one at the races. I can only hope to own a sled as
>fast as yours, and be as good as you some day.
>
>11 hours? Hum, don't you run out of fingers to count that high? Me in your
>mirror? I would bet you don't stay out of the brush long enough to keep
>mirrors on your sled.
>
>Remeber Quebec has turns and bumps, is your beloved SRX up for that? I could
>certainly be convinced for a ride, but I do hate to see grown men cry....
>
>
>Markus.
>
You've got the talking down pat. I'll give you the dates we will be up there,
so there is no excuse. SRXfreak, Iceman, and Turk are all talking about meeting
up.
Christmas to New Years, the second week of Jan., the first week of Feb, and
first week of March. If there is snow at Thanksgiving, we'll be there.
We stay at Lecabanon, pick a date.
As for the turns and bumps, the more the better. You never did say what you
ride.
Bill
X6667
>The XC I rented last year made my hands numb.
My 440 will numb your hands and feet if its tuned like shit. Get the
calibration down and shes smooooth. Dont suppose this had anything to do with
your 'rental'.
X6667
TIGER
particular model based on it's performance on GRASS???? Seems like these
things were designed to run on snow, below 32 degrees F., and on varying
terrain. Does anyone care how they ride, corner, or hook-up? Think about
it, would you buy a Cadillac based on it's off-road performance???
Let's see how they run in the SNOW!!! (remember?...it's white and
beautiful!)
Tiger~
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Jim Bryant <jimb...@isd.net>
> Web Master
> www.snobarons.com
> SnoBarons Snowmobile Club
>
> Jim Bryant
> Web Master <jimb...@isd.net>
> www.snobarons.com
> SnoBarons Snowmobile Club
> Additional Information:
> Last Name Bryant
> First Name Jim
> Version 2.1
SRXfreak
secret to ourselves. We haven't even touched on warranty or resale, besides
the sleds general design and performance superiority
(whooooooooooooooooohoooo!)
I traded a 98 SRX with a rashed hood (parking lot accident) and 5000 hard miles
for 2100 on my new SRX. Try and match those numbers with any other brand!
Mark"SRXfreak"
Rob Lyons
wrote:
>Well everybody, let's clear up any questions right now. To look at the Haydays
>99 results click on: http://www.snobarons.com/raceresults.cfm and just see
>who's right.
>
>Jim
>Sno-Barons Web Master
>
Well, I've tried several different brands of calculators, but I still
come up with the same results. Polaris did VERY well in the stock
classes, and Ski-Doo totally dominated the rest of the classes with
something like 22 total wins! I'd say that congratulations should go
to Ski-Doo and Polaris!
If this is anything what the future holds for us, I think that the
racing season is going to be heating up, at least here on RSS :-)
Rob in Vermont
markus
Doo 22
Polaris 6
Cat 4
Yamaha 4
Proves not much, that maybe Doo is the one to beat on the grass, ( most grass
dragger's know this already ). Snow will be a different story I'm sure.
Markus.
ULTRASTRYK
> My 440 will numb your hands and feet if its tuned like shit. Get the
>calibration down and shes smooooth. Dont suppose this had anything to do
>with
>your 'rental'.
>
> X6667
Well the Polaris dealer in St. Michelle has approx. 120 NEW machines to rent
every year. Three of us rented and all 3 vibrated. The mileage was around 1500.
We also have 3 guys in the group that own XC's and they hate the vibration.
It's a well known problem on the XC not a "tune" problem. It's not as bad as a
ZR's though.
Bill
ULTRASTRYK
You are right there, my dealer has a 99 XC700 for $3995. Now that's strong
resale. That's what happens when a manf. floods the market with sleds and has
thousands left over. Resale sucks.
It's amazing what a company will do to be #1 in sales. I guess thats why their
profits weren't as high as ours.
Bill
Rob Lyons
>We really gotta quit defending our sleds Bill, I kinda like keeping our little
>secret to ourselves. We haven't even touched on warranty or resale, besides
>the sleds general design and performance superiority
>(whooooooooooooooooohoooo!)
>I traded a 98 SRX with a rashed hood (parking lot accident) and 5000 hard miles
>for 2100 on my new SRX. Try and match those numbers with any other brand!
>Mark"SRXfreak"
I traded my wife's '97 XLTsp +2200 on a new 00XC500 (same value
sleds). That's not bad!
Rob in Vermont
ULTRASTRYK
>come up with the same results. Polaris did VERY well in the stock
>classes, and Ski-Doo totally dominated the rest of the classes with
>something like 22 total wins! I'd say that congratulations should go
>to Ski-Doo and Polaris!
>
>If this is anything what the future holds for us, I think that the
>racing season is going to be heating up, at least here on RSS :-)
>
>Rob in Vermont
Well Rob, hopefully some of you Polaris guys will get out from behind your
computers and do some racing yourselves when the snow flies. When you are
looking at Yamaha snowflaps, Haydays will be a distant memory.
So instead of sitting there thinking you are going to be so fast in stock form,
you better get in the garage and do some wrenching. Cause it just ain't gonna
happen dude.
Bill
Dan H
Dan H XC700
SRXfreak wrote:
> We really gotta quit defending our sleds Bill, I kinda like keeping our little
> secret to ourselves. We haven't even touched on warranty or resale, besides
> the sleds general design and performance superiority
> (whooooooooooooooooohoooo!)
> I traded a 98 SRX with a rashed hood (parking lot accident) and 5000 hard miles
> for 2100 on my new SRX. Try and match those numbers with any other brand!
> Mark"SRXfreak"
--
ON THE TRAIL FOR MISSING CHILDREN
http://www.pinenet.com/~trex/onthetrail.html
It is a great ride for an even greater cause
So please pass the word Thank you
Dan H
that, the depreciation is the same, think about it.
You guys are the ones who think the grass and asphalt are the ticket, doesn't mean
anything till the snow flies, so you guys stay in your world.
Dan H XC700
ULTRASTRYK wrote:
> >We really gotta quit defending our sleds Bill, I kinda like keeping our
> >little
> >secret to ourselves. We haven't even touched on warranty or resale, besides
> >the sleds general design and performance superiority
> >(whooooooooooooooooohoooo!)
> >I traded a 98 SRX with a rashed hood (parking lot accident) and 5000 hard
> >miles
> >for 2100 on my new SRX. Try and match those numbers with any other brand!
> >Mark"SRXfreak"
> >
>
> You are right there, my dealer has a 99 XC700 for $3995. Now that's strong
> resale. That's what happens when a manf. floods the market with sleds and has
> thousands left over. Resale sucks.
> It's amazing what a company will do to be #1 in sales. I guess thats why their
> profits weren't as high as ours.
>
> Bill
--
ULTRASTRYK
>The other big deal is yammy pricing is higher than all the others, and
>considering
>that, the depreciation is the same, think about it.
>
>You guys are the ones who think the grass and asphalt are the ticket, doesn't
>mean
>anything till the snow flies, so you guys stay in your world.
Dan
You keep showing how bright you are. You guys want to compare your $8599 XCR
800 to our $7900 700SRX. Our SXr is less money this year than your XC700 as is
the 600 class. Ski-doo prices are even higher when you compare apples to
apples. Get those glasses checked.
AND Yamaha gives you a 3 year warranty not 1. So whose sled is more expensive?
ULTRASTRYK
>Big deal my dealer here said he would give me 3500 for trade on my 97
>protoXC700.
>
>Dan H XC700
Wow thats impressive. That means nothing since he is going to charge you full
price on the new sled. No dealer is going to give you $3500 for a 97 unless he
is making a ton on the new one. There are a couple 99's here for $3900. What
fool would buy that old hood style for $3500.
Bruce
does abcdefgssmodpro etc. stand for? I didn't see this anywhere on the site.
I'd be very interested in knowing the 600 single pipe class if such a class
exists. Hopefully is stock D I think.
snowchecked 00 xc 600 sp.
JCB
ULTRASTRYK wrote in message
<19990914203338...@ng-bg1.aol.com>...
>>
>>Most of the XC owners say that these sleds don't vibrate, if this is
>>true.....then there is no concrete advantage or disadvantage.
>>
>>JSF
>>99 YAMAHA 700 SX
>>
>
>The XC I rented last year made my hands numb.
Well then they'd match your brain. You never tire of showing us how really
stupid you are. =)
Johnny Canuck
97 ZR580EFI
ULTRASTRYK
>stupid you are. =)
>
>Johnny Canuck
>97 ZR580EFI
Oh there's little Johnny again. I have missed you so much. Again you hurt me so
much. Coming from you I consider your statement a compliment. Did you ever
figure out how to open the hood on that pc. of sh**?
JC
markus wrote in message <19990915075723...@ng-ck1.aol.com>...
>Best I can tell, all the classes added up, wins were as follow's:
>
>Doo 22
>Polaris 6
>Cat 4
>Yamaha 4
>
>Proves not much, that maybe Doo is the one to beat on the grass, ( most
grass
>dragger's know this already ). Snow will be a different story I'm sure.
>
>Markus.
>
>Sweat stains, dirt stains, tear stains, blood stains, how do you want to
ride
>today?
Well it seems like bad news for ULTRADORK and SRXGEEK, because they seem to
think that grass and asphalt are the only measure of a sled. HayDays is
supposed to be the major grass event, and Yam did not dominate, so I think
it shows that all sleds are very competitive, but the Doos obviously ruled.
Johnny Canuck
97 ZR580EFI
JC
ULTRASTRYK wrote in message
<19990915090938...@ng-fq1.aol.com>...
Have you figured out how to close that hole in your piece of s**t. You
haven't figured out that people don't care about your infatuation with your
sled. It's a machine. You're a big fish in a little puddle. You can't
convince us that your sled is the greatest, so you start talking about
watercraft. You need to get over your insecurities about Yamaha. If they are
as great as you claim, people will recognize it. Instead of trying to
convince us how good it is, try to convince us you are not a complete moron.
Oops, too late. Instead of making all your stupid claims, and then having to
backtrack, why don't you just shut up. Where you an idiot before you bought
the Yammie, or did this occur after the purchase?
Johnny Canuck
97 ZR580EFI
JC
JC wrote in message <7robvv$kbq$1...@nntp3.uunet.ca>...
Just another thought Bill. I can always get another sled, but you'll always
be stuck with the same brain. Isn't that scary?
Johnny Canuck
97 ZR580EFI
Dennis
TIGER <elt...@tds.net> wrote in message news:37DF70C5...@tds.net...
> Does anyone find it strange that many people rate a brand or a
> particular model based on it's performance on GRASS???? Seems like these
> things were designed to run on snow, below 32 degrees F., and on varying
> terrain. Does anyone care how they ride, corner, or hook-up? Think about
> it, would you buy a Cadillac based on it's off-road performance???
> Let's see how they run in the SNOW!!! (remember?...it's white and
> beautiful!)
>
> Tiger~
We already know that ULTRASTRYKs superior Yamaha can be ridden year round ,
as evidenced by his repeated mention of his "mud flap"
YAMAHA FOREVER
Dan Sullivan
> Now, if you still feel that your Polaris twin is at a disadvantage to
> the Yamaha triple, I can see it only being the fact that it produces
> more vibration due to pitching larger slugs (pistons) a longer
> distance (stroke). Yes, vibration kills horsepower and thats why I
> bought a Yamaha.
>
> Most of the XC owners say that these sleds don't vibrate, if this is
> true.....then there is no concrete advantage or disadvantage.
Oh, boy, here it comes. Gee, you'd think that by looking at a
Hardly-Ableson, you'd know that a twin vibrates. Until you sit on a
Victory (Polaris) or a Road Star (Yamaha). Sheesh. And those bikes
vibrate plenty, too. You guys that think that more cylinders means less
vibration haven't heard enough about an inline 4 "buzz" yet. In the off
season I ride a Kawi 1000, and I work plenty to keep the buzz to a
minimum. Can't seem to eliminate it, though.
C'mon, guys. All engines generate vibration. It's harmonic.
Tuning/tweaking will eliminate a bunch of it, but it's always gonna be
there. It doesn't matter if it's one, two, three, four, six, eight ten
or 12 cylinders. Didn't you guys ride dirt bikes as kids?
Where's the snow?
Dan in Napa, CA
'73 Colt 295 S/S
Mark thread as read.
Is it winter yet ??
I have to say it again. Yamaha does not make a good racer. Wait till the snow
flies and you'll see. If the SX-R comes to be a great dominant sled Great. I do
not think it will. I agree with Markus on this one. I said it before and yeas
bill and I argued about it.
As far as resale goes.......if it cost Mark $2200 to upgrade with a sled that
was less than 2 years old and he thinks it is the deal of the century then I
have a lot of things that I'd like to sell him. I've moved from brand to brand
and sled to sled never keeping one more than 3 years and I've never paid over
2k to upgrade. NEVER!! Cat's, Polaris, Yamaha, they're all the same.
We'll see what happens when the snow flies.......Yamaha has not been a force
in the snow in over 10 years.....what makes yo think they are so wonderful this
year?
-jeff b.
Mike Fitzgerald
news:19990915075723...@ng-ck1.aol.com...
> Best I can tell, all the classes added up, wins were as follow's:
>
> Doo 22
> Polaris 6
> Cat 4
> Yamaha 4
>
> Proves not much, that maybe Doo is the one to beat on the grass,
> dragger's know this already ). Snow will be a different story I'm
sure.
>
> Markus.
Nope, shows that the doo guys managed to get their sleds set up better.
If we're going to use drag results as an indication of a sleds
superiority I'd say the old sno-twisters or the '78 srx are the best
sleds.
If you've ever tried to ride either of those for a couple hours you know
just how bad they are though.
This whole "my sled is better" thing is childish at best.
--
Mike Fitzgerald
SRXfreak
Johhny, you sure like to stir the pot. I'll try the higher road and not
respond to your gratuitous and unprovoked insults, see if you might do the
same.
Mark"SRXfreak"
MXJOE
>
>Nope, shows that the doo guys managed to get their sleds set up better.
>If we're going to use drag results as an indication of a sleds
>superiority I'd say the old sno-twisters or the '78 srx are the best
>sleds.
>
>If you've ever tried to ride either of those for a couple hours you know
>just how bad they are though.
>
>This whole "my sled is better" thing is childish at best.
>
>
>--
>Mike Fitzgerald
>
>
winning races!! How many drags races have been won or lost on the line?
Didn't we go through abunch of this crap with the whole what makes a great
snowcross the sled or the driver debate, give me a break guys!! Everyone
knows Ski Doo makes the best sled:} LATER JOE
JC
SRXfreak wrote in message <19990915141442...@ng-ca1.aol.com>...
The only unprovoked insults that I have seen, have been posted by you and
your partner in pompousness, Bill. You can not allow anyone to post anything
that does not praise Yamaha. If the sleds get beat, then you talk about
watercraft, and then it's MX bikes, then it's pianos. I have been resisting
commenting on a lot of your posts, because I notice others getting fed up
with all your crap. I don't see owners of other brands on here carrying on
like you two, except in fun, but then what can we expect from guys who seem
to judge everybody by what kind of sled they ride. I'm certainly glad my
whole life doesn't revolve around a piece of machinery, and whether that
piece of machinery is faster than another piece of machinery. Down with the
Yamanazis and their mindless drivel.
Johnny Canuck
97 ZR580EFI
SRXfreak
Lighten the hell up Johnny. Don't ya get it? We're not allowed to have fun
either?!Arguments could be made that all you guys do is insult Yamaha, so we
defend them. I could ultimately care less too John what brand I ride, except
cats are definitely out this year;-).
Insult me, and I'll insult you back. You seem to really have a hatred for Bill
and I. We're really nice guys, if you get to know us, hehe. Let it go,
LET!!............. it go. (disclaimer: that post was also meant as a joke.)
mark"SRXthemisunderstoodfreak"
JC
SRXfreak wrote in message <19990915174430...@ng-ci1.aol.com>...
I just find it funny, that your dislike for me started because I made a joke
about Bill's sled. Bill got his knickers in a twist and started the brand
bashing, then you chimed in. Now you're telling me I can't take a joke. I
guess if your idea of a joke is to attack anybody who doesn't ride your
brand of sled, then you are quite a joker.
Johnny Canuck
97 ZR580EFI
Dan H
Dan H XC700
ULTRASTRYK wrote:
--
Dan H
And I like that hood style.
Dan H XC700
ULTRASTRYK wrote:
--
Matt
point where I would actually notice it while riding. My brother has an XC,
and two of my cousins have them, and not once have I heard anyone complain
about their XC vibrating. I think this is just a stereotyped characteristic
associated with twins by guys who are trying to defend the existence of
their triples. To go an say it is a well known problem of the XC, is taking
it a bit too far. Like I said, I have never noticed it, and have never
heard a single person complain about it. Granted, a poorly running twin can
vibrate quite a bit, but that is not inherent to the sled, only its state of
tune. Whenever a twin vs. triple debate comes up, sooner or later a
triple defender will say twins vibrate too much, but I have never
encountered this, except for my buddies ZR700, but it smoothed out with a
little tinkering.
Matt in MI
ULTRASTRYK <ultra...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990915080543...@ng-fq1.aol.com...
Dan H
Dan H XC700
BFlagstad wrote:
> >Subject: Re: HAYDAYS Results
> >From: Dan H tr...@pinenet.com
> >Date: Wed, 15 September 1999 08:50 PM EDT
> >Message-id: <37E03EEE...@pinenet.com>
> >
> >I can buy a 2000 XC700 new for 6200 how about yammy.
> >
> >Dan H XC700
> >
> >ULTRASTRYK wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> >The other big deal is yammy pricing is higher than all the others, and
> >> >considering
> >> >that, the depreciation is the same, think about it.
> >> >
> >> >You guys are the ones who think the grass and asphalt are the ticket,
> >doesn't
> >> >mean
> >> >anything till the snow flies, so you guys stay in your world.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >> You keep showing how bright you are. You guys want to compare your $8599
> >XCR
> >> 800 to our $7900 700SRX. Our SXr is less money this year than your XC700 as
> >is
> >> the 600 class. Ski-doo prices are even higher when you compare apples to
> >> apples. Get those glasses checked.
> >> AND Yamaha gives you a 3 year warranty not 1. So whose sled is more
> >expensive?
> >
> >--
> >ON THE TRAIL FOR MISSING CHILDREN
> >http://www.pinenet.com/~trex/onthetrail.html
> >It is a great ride for an even greater cause
> >So please pass the word Thank you
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> I paid $6036 (this includes tax) out the door for a 2000 SXr 700 in Minnesota.
> Wanna race? I'll use my old 97!
>
> Like Milton Berle once said "I'm only gonna show you enough to win"
>
> Bud Flagstad
>
> 1997 Yamaha 700SX Turbo
> 1989 Yamaha Phazer
> 1996 Honda Magna Deluxe
> 2000 Yamaha 700SXR(Snowcheck!)
> 1969 Road Runner(Runs high 10s)
> 1987 Kawasaki Jetski 650X2 w/trailer(For Sale first $1000 Takes it)
JC
SRXfreak wrote in message <19990915201552...@ng-fn1.aol.com>...
>I'm not gonna revisit past history Johnny from the great Canada, but as I
>recall, you guys were going back and forth, and you were the one who got
>personal, and in cyberterms, Bill was getting "pigpiled" by you and a
couple of
>other "hooligans". I merely came to his aid, figuratively btw, and you
turned
>your rhetoric on me. I like a good game of idiot ping pong as much as the
next
>guy, but when you make it personal (biggest ahole on net, etc..?!), then
it's
>gloves off time.
>Mark"SRXfreak"
Bill was getting "pigpiled" was he. You are too much there Mark. Where do
you come up with this stuff. Bill was in over his head, arguing with me
alone.
It's obvious that you see only what you want to see, and if you didn't act
like the biggest assholes on the net, I wouldn't have called you that. I'm
not the kind of guy who judges people I don't know, but when I read posts
from guys who act like the schoolyard bullies, I have to call it like I see
it. If the gloves are off, take your best shot, because me and my sled can
take whatever you and your lovable sidekick can dish out. Just don't quote
the Yamaha brochure to me anymore, I can get that from a dealer. =) Come on
big fella, show me what you got. Tell me why owning the fastest sled is so
important. Why is the fastest sled, the best sled? Why is riding a 700 more
fun on a twisty trail than a 440? Obviously, someone made you king of the
sledders, so share with, the rest of us, the secrets of happy sledding. Why
are we not allowed to talk about other brands, without some bashing from the
likes of you? I can't wait for the answers oh great one.
Johnny Canuck
97 ZR580EFI
Plum Nuts
Dan H wrote:
> It is true and the 2000XC700 is 6,200.
>
> And I like that hood style.
>
> Dan H XC700
>
> ULTRASTRYK wrote:
>
> > >
> > >Big deal my dealer here said he would give me 3500 for trade on my 97
> > >protoXC700.
> > >
> > >Dan H XC700
> >
> > Wow thats impressive. That means nothing since he is going to charge you full
> > price on the new sled. No dealer is going to give you $3500 for a 97 unless he
> > is making a ton on the new one. There are a couple 99's here for $3900. What
> > fool would buy that old hood style for $3500.
>
SRXfreak
BFlagstad
>From: Dan H tr...@pinenet.com
>Date: Wed, 15 September 1999 08:50 PM EDT
>Message-id: <37E03EEE...@pinenet.com>
>
>I can buy a 2000 XC700 new for 6200 how about yammy.
>
>
>ULTRASTRYK wrote:
>
>> >
>> >considering
>> >that, the depreciation is the same, think about it.
>> >
>> >You guys are the ones who think the grass and asphalt are the ticket,
>doesn't
>> >mean
>> >anything till the snow flies, so you guys stay in your world.
>>
>> Dan
>> You keep showing how bright you are. You guys want to compare your $8599
>XCR
>> 800 to our $7900 700SRX. Our SXr is less money this year than your XC700 as
>is
>> the 600 class. Ski-doo prices are even higher when you compare apples to
>> apples. Get those glasses checked.
>> AND Yamaha gives you a 3 year warranty not 1. So whose sled is more
>expensive?
>
>ON THE TRAIL FOR MISSING CHILDREN
>http://www.pinenet.com/~trex/onthetrail.html
>It is a great ride for an even greater cause
>So please pass the word Thank you
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
I paid $6036 (this includes tax) out the door for a 2000 SXr 700 in Minnesota.
X6667
>every year. Three of us rented and all 3 vibrated. The mileage was around
>1500.
>We also have 3 guys in the group that own XC's and they hate the vibration.
>It's a well known problem on the XC not a "tune" problem. It's not as bad as
>a
>ZR's though.
>
>Bill
Having never ridden an XC Ill take your word for it. And, if this is the
norm for that sled then bummer for whoever bought it and cant deal with it.
But, Id be willing to bet the vibration can be minimized through calibration.
X6667
BFlagstad
>Message-id: <37E04622...@pinenet.com>
>
>I am always up for a race, that is just part of snowmobiling, isnt it?
>
>Dan H XC700
>
>BFlagstad wrote:
>
We'll be out on Cooper Lake in East Bethel(less than an hour from Pine City) on
many weekends once the Ice is solid. The 1000' will plowed and ready for
draggin or radaring(I'll bring the gun). It's usually a lot of fun and
everybody leaves friends but it can be an ego deflating experience(And I would
be lying if I said it hasn't happened to me yet). The first year I had my 97
700SX(bought in 98 used) it was stock and I was smoked by a piped ported and
well setup XC700 but the stock XC 700s and I would trade wins depending on
holeshot.
Second year different story I won(Triple pipes, reeds and clutching). This
year my competition is running a XCR 800 but I have to be honest and say I saw
him get beat by a 2000 700 SRX at Haydays in the early rounds.
This year the Turbo should be a fun experiment the crank is going in for a weld
and balance within the next few weeks.
All these sleds have the ability to be fast I like the looks and engineering of
the Yamaha I think the boys at R&D have done a hell of a job making Yamaha a
contender. I also really like the Ski Doo and wouldn't mind having one in the
shed, maybe next year. As far as Polaris they make a good sled but I(Personal
Preference) don't like there looks or seating position. The twin motor pulls
hard but I really like how my Triples rev....
ULTRASTRYK
>I can buy a 2000 XC700 new for 6200 how about yammy.
>
>Dan H XC700
Wow what a bargain. The SXR only stickered for $6299 with a better ride,
handling and a 3 year warranty. I only paid $6990 for my SRX less $400 cash
back.
ULTRASTRYK
> I have to say it again. Yamaha does not make a good racer. Wait till the
>snow
>flies and you'll see. If the SX-R comes to be a great dominant sled Great. I
>do
>not think it will. I agree with Markus on this one. I said it before and yeas
>bill and I argued about it.
>
> As far as resale goes.......if it cost Mark $2200 to upgrade with a sled
>that
>was less than 2 years old and he thinks it is the deal of the century then I
>have a lot of things that I'd like to sell him. I've moved from brand to
>brand
>and sled to sled never keeping one more than 3 years and I've never paid over
>2k to upgrade. NEVER!! Cat's, Polaris, Yamaha, they're all the same.
>
> We'll see what happens when the snow flies.......Yamaha has not been a force
>in the snow in over 10 years.....what makes yo think they are so wonderful
>this
>year?
>
>-jeff b.
First of all what type of racing are you referring to. If you are talking
snowcross, Vincent did fairly well the year before last considering the little
bit of money Yamaha spent on it. If they wanted to throw a little of that
$7Billion around, they could win some races.
If you are talking about real world trail and ditch racing, what are you going
to beat an SRX with. There are a few sleds with more hp, but are heavier and
don't handle. there are a few that are a little lighter that handle well, but
don't have the punch. For all around trail AND lake running it has the best
combination.
ULTRASTRYK
>Bill, I own a '99 6xc and have never ever notice my sled vibrate to the
>point where I would actually notice it while riding. My brother has an XC,
>and two of my cousins have them, and not once have I heard anyone complain
>about their XC vibrating. I think this is just a stereotyped characteristic
>associated with twins by guys who are trying to defend the existence of
>their triples. To go an say it is a well known problem of the XC, is taking
>it a bit too far. Like I said, I have never noticed it, and have never
>heard a single person complain about it. Granted, a poorly running twin can
>vibrate quite a bit, but that is not inherent to the sled, only its state of
>tune. Whenever a twin vs. triple debate comes up, sooner or later a
>triple defender will say twins vibrate too much, but I have never
>encountered this, except for my buddies ZR700, but it smoothed out with a
>little tinkering.
>Matt in MI
I would agree that maybe my friends have had bad ones, but the magazines have
mentioned the XC's vibration problem several times, so there must be a few out
there with it. I haven't heard of it in the 600 though.
Bill
ULTRASTRYK
>We already know that ULTRASTRYKs superior Yamaha can be ridden year round ,
>as evidenced by his repeated mention of his "mud flap"
>
>YAMAHA FOREVER
>
Excuse me a**hole, the snowflap. If you rode anywhere last winter you went
through some mud.
ULTRASTRYK
>Well it seems like bad news for ULTRADORK and SRXGEEK, because they seem to
>think that grass and asphalt are the only measure of a sled. HayDays is
>supposed to be the major grass event, and Yam did not dominate, so I think
>it shows that all sleds are very competitive, but the Doos obviously ruled.
>
>Johnny Canuck
>97 ZR580EFI
>
>
>
Sorry Johnny, wrong again. I found out the details about Haydays today. (bye
the way, I measure a sled buy how they do on balls out trail riding and lake
racing both)
Anyway, the fact is Bender beat 7 different XC700's in stock classs before they
had problems with there sled. Also in improved stock they won. Also, there are
800 sleds running at haydays, so the lanes deteriorate quickly and the person
with the better lane and holeshot or reflex wins, not always the faster sled.
Also the XC that won the finals was no where to be found at the inspection
after the race. Not in the pits, or at his trailer. A buddy of his that always
rides with him said he had never lost to him before. Maybe a little tweaking
was done.
Bottom line is that it is only one race. Bender sponsored guys won over XCR
800's in 3 different races in Quebec this past week.
So go ahead and get all excited, we'll see when the snow flies.
Bill
ULTRASTRYK
>convince us that your sled is the greatest, so you start talking about
>watercraft. You need to get over your insecurities about Yamaha. If they are
>as great as you claim, people will recognize it. Instead of trying to
>convince us how good it is, try to convince us you are not a complete moron.
>Oops, too late. Instead of making all your stupid claims, and then having to
>backtrack, why don't you just shut up. Where you an idiot before you bought
>the Yammie, or did this occur after the purchase?
Oh Johnny you are hurting me again. Does this mean I'm off the Christmas card
list. Obviously alot of people did find out that Yamaha builds a great product
since they were the only ones with a sales increase the last 2 years. The
others had a decrease. So where did Yamaha get the new customers? Figure it out
bright boy.
Bill
JC
ULTRASTRYK wrote in message
<19990916001722...@ng-fm1.aol.com>...
Well thanks Bill, but I'm really not all that bright, it's just that guys
like you make everybody look a whole lot brighter. Keep those stupid posts
coming.
Johnny Canuck
97 ZR580EFI
Dennis
> I would agree that maybe my friends have had bad ones, but the magazines
have
> mentioned the XC's vibration problem several times, so there must be a few
out
> there with it. I haven't heard of it in the 600 though.
Well, shit! Why didnt you tell us the Magazines said so. It must be true.
David Fhlug
cylinder egine has the least harmonics. For years Mercury Marine has
used triple cylinders in their outboard motors exactly for that reason,
better harmonics and performance, due to the 120 degree firing order.
Ride ay triple and it is smooth, although I must admit that some are
smoother than others. Depends on manufacturer and quality of
construction. But I always say buy what you like regardless if it's a
twin or triple. Personally I prefer the triple.
Dave
Roadkill
_____ \_[]--=\7 '99 Victory V92C (5k/16k)*'99 Softail (4k)
[ (o) ]---+(o)\V/(o) '94 883 Sportster (102k)*'78 DTE400*hack*camper
____________________
+Having ridden Yamaha Triples, Harley-Davidson V-Twins, and now Victory
V-Twins, I'll agree with Dan that they all vibrate, but each to a
different tune. All, however, are capable performers. Even my Victory
has been subjected to my 100-mile (each way) commute into NYC, even at
five degrees. Much of it, IMO, has to do with the owner's treatment of
the unit.
btw, the Hardly-Davidson stuff is sorta gettin' old by now, doncha'
think?
I'm curious to know how many sledders who're also bikers have
considered the Victory?
Ride on.
Roadkill
XS750SF 13k
XS850SF 111k
XS850SF 49k
XLH883 102k
FXST 5k and rising
V92C 5k " "
V92C 16k " "
(and a few more thrown in for balance8^)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Jsflagstad
Well said Dave, I also prefer the triple over the twin. I have had both in the
past. You just cant beat the sound of a triple piped triple. As far as hole
shot is concerned, a well clutched and geared triple is quite a ride leaving
the line.
JSF
99 700 SX (Hauck Triple pipes, stage 4 clutch, delta force reeds and geared)
Ilandhoper
Early 80's Yamaha Exciter? Hummm Well lets list the reasons
And see if they make's sense :)
1. First sled 2. Sled looks like new 3. Sled has low miles (1600)
4. Starts and runs great 5. Guy was laid off 6. Wife had just thrown him out
7. Wife filed for a divorce 8. He needed money 9. The best one
Purchase price was $250 :) My buddy bought the Kawa he had for
$175 and it's almost as nice as the Yammie.
The guys I'll be riding with have an array of different sleds old and new
And the 1 thing they all agree on is that when the snow fly's it doesn't
Matter what kind of sled it is as long as it runs to the bar LOL
I may not be the first 1 there or the last just as long as I don't leave
Pieces along the way (Of me or the sled LOL)
Hopper
A boater wanting a snowstorm
Ken Frechen
ULTRASTRYK wrote:
>
>
> I would agree that maybe my friends have had bad ones, but the magazines have
> mentioned the XC's vibration problem several times, so there must be a few out
> there with it. I haven't heard of it in the 600 though.
> Bill
Hello all, I couldn't help but to join this circus. I will once and for all end
who/what sled is best. That would be a very early 70's Rupp 800 Magnum. That baby
was a triple cubed with no room for a recoil. That's right all of you sissies with
recoils, we had to first prime all 3 carbs and then tie a rope around a pulley on
the end of the crank and give it a rip. The 3 MASSIVE exhaust pipes would melt
the ice when idling. I don't expect any of you to believe what I'm about to say
but anybody that has seen these sleds run can attest to this, at 70 mph and more
than half throttle left, you nailed it and the ski's just kept coming up. This
sled was NEVER beat at Houghton Lake Tip Up Town. If you got beat by one, that was
probably us, there weren't a whole lot of them around. The only problem with it
was it loved to munch belts. I don't need to hear any smarmy remarks about trail
riding either. This was a free air, 800 ft sled, nothing more, nothing less. Now
it's just fast trail riding with a Formuls Z 583.
=KF=
ULTRASTRYK
>Well thanks Bill, but I'm really not all that bright, it's just that guys
>like you make everybody look a whole lot brighter. Keep those stupid posts
>coming.
>
>Johnny Canuck
>97 ZR580EFI
>
Funny how you always have some silly comment when you can't answer the
question. Why don't you just admit you don't have a clue what you are talking
about when it comes to snowmobiles.
Bill
ULTRASTRYK
>Well, shit! Why didnt you tell us the Magazines said so. It must be true.
No one that's been around in the last year needed the magazines to tell them
that some of these twins have excessive vibration when compared to a triple.
Maybe you are spending too much time on the puter and not enough time on the
snow.
Bruce
wanted one of those hot rod red Rupp sleds. I'm not familiar with the 800 but the
other lesser cc models were pretty quick also. If I ever find one cheap, I might buy
it just to tinker around with it.
JC
ULTRASTRYK wrote in message
<19990916152131...@ng-cs1.aol.com>...
Billy boy, an expert once said that if you put a keyboard in front of a
monkey, and give him enough time, he will eventually write a sentence. You
have certainly proven his point. You come on here bashing my sled, along
with anybody else who doesn't ride Yamaha. You quote the sales brochure to
me, you quote Yamaha's sales figures, you think that being faster than me is
very important, but I really don't see any of your questions worth
answering. I have said that Yamaha makes good sleds, along with the other
makes, you can review every post I ever posted, and you will not find one in
which I bashed any make of sled, so I really don't have to answer to you at
all. As long as you have such contempt for anyone who doesn't fit your way
of thinking, then I will keep referring to you as the ignorant clod that you
are.
You don't even read the posts that you reply to. I noticed that you jumped
all over Rob Lyons, even though he too has said how good he thinks the
Yamahas are, and after he admitted there are things he doesn't like about
his Polaris. Maybe if you realized that Yamaha isn't the perfect sled, then
you could deal with your insecurities. I'm certainly not a brand-basher, and
I have made that quite clear in many posts, but of course you probably
neglected to read those posts.
Johnny Canuck
97 ZR580EFI
JC
Bruce wrote in message <37E11256...@iserv.net>...
straight-liner as well, as it liked to carry it's skiis in the air.
Johnny Canuck
97 ZR580EFI
ULTRASTRYK
>monkey, and give him enough time, he will eventually write a sentence. You
>have certainly proven his point. You come on here bashing my sled, along
>with anybody else who doesn't ride Yamaha. You quote the sales brochure to
>me, you quote Yamaha's sales figures, you think that being faster than me is
>very important, but I really don't see any of your questions worth
>answering. I have said that Yamaha makes good sleds, along with the other
>makes, you can review every post I ever posted, and you will not find one in
>which I bashed any make of sled, so I really don't have to answer to you at
>all. As long as you have such contempt for anyone who doesn't fit your way
>of thinking, then I will keep referring to you as the ignorant clod that you
>are.
>You don't even read the posts that you reply to. I noticed that you jumped
>all over Rob Lyons, even though he too has said how good he thinks the
>Yamahas are, and after he admitted there are things he doesn't like about
>his Polaris. Maybe if you realized that Yamaha isn't the perfect sled, then
>you could deal with your insecurities. I'm certainly not a brand-basher, and
>I have made that quite clear in many posts, but of course you probably
>neglected to read those posts.
>
Johnny just shut the f**k up. You bashed my sled in your second post on the
original thread, then 30 posts later said you were just joking. So maybe I have
been joking all this time. I just love Artic Cats. I am just sick of you and
can't wait to shove your head in a snow bank.
But I still want that Christmas card.
Bill
JC
ULTRASTRYK wrote in message
<19990916185624...@ng-cd1.aol.com>...
Ah violence, the last refuge for the ignorant. You've got me shaking, but
it's with laughter. If my post was bashing, then you are way too defensive.
Your rapier-like wit has again cut me to the bone. =)
Johnny Canuck
97 ZR580EFI( but I like every brand)
TIGER
up on the track back in 71'. Were they that fast or just pigs???
TIGER
TIGER
I don't know about you but I know several people who switched to
Yamaha. When asked why, they stated Yamaha had the most sled for the
least money, the dealers offered lower financing, and with a 3 year
warranty they were not worried about trying something new. No wonder
their sales have increased! Seems like a smart way to get their product
out into the hands of people like us. The ultimate "proving ground".
Good Luck...
TIGER
obviously Arctic Cat...
> Oh Johnny you are hurting me again. Does this mean I'm off the Christmas card
> list. Obviously alot of people did find out that Yamaha builds a great product
> since they were the only ones with a sales increase the last 2 years. The
> others had a decrease. So where did Yamaha get the new customers? Figure it out
> bright boy.
> Bill
ULTRASTRYK
>Bill,
> I don't know about you but I know several people who switched to
>Yamaha. When asked why, they stated Yamaha had the most sled for the
>least money, the dealers offered lower financing, and with a 3 year
>warranty they were not worried about trying something new. No wonder
>their sales have increased! Seems like a smart way to get their product
>out into the hands of people like us. The ultimate "proving ground".
>Good Luck...
>
>TIGER
>obviously Arctic Cat...
I wish I could say that is what switched me, but it was more the looks of the
SRX. Sure I thought the 3 yr warranty was neat, and I was impressed with all
the new technology, but I liked the looks. I was just ready for a change after
5 Polaris' and thought I would be the one in the group to go out on the limb
and try one. A couple guys switched to Doo and AC and a couple stayed with Pol.
I was the only one in the group to go Yam. They all like riding my sled, but
most have to many spare parts for their brands to switch. So far nothing has
broken that wasn't covered under the warranty (crank was the only problem).
Bill
SKI D00
Have a cup of coffee and a Pal-Mal.
This is wasting way to much bandwidth.
mark
Sasquatch
TIGER wrote in message <37E18EF2...@tds.net>...
>Hey, Have you ever seen the 800 KING KATS run??? Seemed like many ended
>up on the track back in 71'. Were they that fast or just pigs???
>
sweet you should have heard that quad wail.
SRXfreak
Yam riders. This year, there is a total of 7.
Mark
Mark"SRXfreak"
man, that guy sure loves his Yammy!
Dennis
> Johnny just shut the f**k up. You bashed my sled in your second post on
the
> original thread, then 30 posts later said you were just joking. So maybe I
have
> been joking all this time. I just love Artic Cats. I am just sick of you
and
> can't wait to shove your head in a snow bank.
> But I still want that Christmas card.
>
> Bill
LOL
Bill, your so gullable man.
Chris Friday
stuff!
PS I'm selling tickets for their race/boxing match front row $10,
transportation not included.
Pete Mills
Jsflagstad wrote:
> It's kind of funny how things make a turn sometimes. All I heard on this news
> group before was that the twins were sooo much better than the triples. And
> that having a triple was a disadvantage...... Now you are saying that having a
> triple is an advantage? Well, I dont think so.....I believe it is all based on
> displacement. A triple and a twin of the same displacement SHOULD be able to
> make the same horse power numbers, now they may peak at different rpm's, but
> thats where clutching and gearing comes into play.
Given equal displacements, a triple is capable of producing more power than a
twin.
As bore size is increased the volume increases faster (radius^2 x 3.14) than the
area available for ports, circumference = diameter x 3.14.
Smaller bores can also employ slightly higher compression ratios.
Hgher rpm = higher power assuming equal cylinder filling.
Engine builders sometimes build single cylinder versions of muli-cylinder engines
for dyno development, its a lot easier to mod a single than a triple. You would
think a single cylinder version of a 150 HP triple would make 50 HP right? Not so,
a correction factor is used, the single will make less than 50 HP! How can this
be? This is based on my memory of a conversation with an engine builder I know so
don't hold me to it. I think the single cylinder suffers higher parasitic losses as
the crank accelerates and decelerates a little every revolution as the mixture
fires and gives the piston a big whack. A twin or triple would have a much more
constant crank speed. You have me thinking know, I'll have to ask my friend about
it all next time we chat.
Pete
Jim Bryant
flush the whole thing. I have an ultra spx triple and love it. It makes enough power
to run with anyone. You'll never be last across the lake!
Jim
Nygaards
3 & Cat w/ 1.
Dan H
Dan H XC700
Nygaards wrote:
> You're kidding right ? What stock class did they win = 0. Polaris w/ 4, SD w/
> 3 & Cat w/ 1.
--
ON THE TRAIL FOR MISSING CHILDREN
http://www.pinenet.com/~trex/onthetrail.html
It is a great ride for an even greater cause
So please pass the word Thank you
I2fasst4u
who won 1000 imp. stock Jon Biles on a polaris none the least. and a HTG
engine that I built at work a week earlier. racing is about gfoing fast and
you cannot go fast on a stocker. you need to modify to beat your buddies so
why dosen't anyone look at what aftermarket companies to look at for thier own
sled. after all this sport is not for those with the un-opened wallet.