Polaris P-85 or Comet 108EXP??
Mike & Christine Robichaud
XLT Special. I can buy an "uncalibrated" P-85 through H.P.E. for $324.,
or an "uncalibrated" 108 EXP for $249. The Comet sounds like a better
deal (of course) but is it as reliable as the P-85?? I think the
original clutch is smoked, shaft is worn, etc.. Any ideas??
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"If you can't out run 'em, out drive 'em!"
Gerald France
clutch from an electric start conversion, usually sell for $150-$175.
Mike & Christine Robichaud wrote
catz...@webtv.net
To be truthful with you I dont thik the Comet will last as long nor will
it be kind to you in the belt dept. either. The P-85 is a good clutch
and even though its more $$$ you might be happier with that purchase
instead.
Take care and Happy Sleddin
p.s. I haven`t seen you lately out on the trails, you must be WAY out
front.
GIV-R-SUM ;-)
Jeff B Up in Maine
MAINE
The way life and snowmobiling should be.
Michael Hart
it. (Same as the Comet btw) Spring and weights should be OK.
If you buy the Comet the tuning may not be as simple as dropping in the old
spring and weights.
My guess is you've probably already been approached by part time parts
dealers who frequent RSS so your costs may be lower already...
Mike & Christine Robichaud wrote in message <36C4954F...@agate.net>...
>Today, I found I need to rebuild or replace the primary clutch on my 94
paulen...@home.com
clutch for a 108 EXP (150 miles) and $ 200 Can. I need to do a little
adjustment - so I bought the book (Olav Aaen's Clutch Tuning Handbook)
and some parts to tune - the spring the 108 came with was wrong. Even
so, the skis almost came off the ground the first time and the shifting
is superior to the stock item. I'm going tuning now, should be able to
regain my lost topend speed and higher engagement speed.
Total investment so far: $ 260 Can.
Paul
JustBugg
>Today, I found I need to rebuild or replace the primary clutch on my 94 XLT
Special. I can buy an "uncalibrated" P-85 through H.P.E. for $324., or an
"uncalibrated" 108 EXP for $249.
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I sell these clutches, and the retail for a 108EXP 1994 XLT is $279 part
#217503. Your discounted price is $219.. Save $60.
The calibration kit for your sled...
cam arm.. hub yellow A-2 (208221) Retail $9.50 - Sale $8.50
spring.. yellow/green (208228) Retail $11.50 - Sale $10.50
Spring 2" diameter, 3-13/32 outside spring height, .207 wire diameter,
5-1/2 coils, 134 lbs pressure at 1-3/16 compressed height,
130 lbs tension increase per inch of compression
The cam arm has a special Comet performance bushing, factory pre-installed kit
#208342 contains 3 replacement bushings.
Cam arm weighs 48 grams... tolerance of + or - .75
Prices are totals. Shipping, handling, & taxes already included. Parts
shipped UPS 2nd day air at no extra cost.
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Brian UAWproud GM Iron Foundry Defiance, Ohio
*Since everybody disputes my freedom of speech, I will remind you that this is
solely my opinion and my opinion only. You don't need to flame my signature
John
springs or weights. Was up and riding in 20 min...........
John "anything you say can & will be misquoted & used against you"
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Gerald France wrote in message <7a2c4v$8kp$1...@remarQ.com>...
Try all the local Polaris dealers-one of them is bound to have a takeoff
clutch from an electric start conversion, usually sell for $150-$175.
Mike & Christine Robichaud wrote
Matt Engelhardt
I had a little deal going on the side with an employee at a local parts
store. Having a close friend at a snowmobile parts store is great. I can't
believe the markup on comet clutches, they (supplier) paid $85 a piece, and
charged like $265. It was great getting anything I wanted at cost, too bad
friends move on. Owner couldn't pay him what he wanted, owner said the
business wasn't doing as well as planned, go figure. Advice: make friends
with employee at local supplier.
Matt in MI
JustBugg wrote in message <19990212223323...@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>>From: Mike & Christine Robichaud
>
>>Today, I found I need to rebuild or replace the primary clutch on my 94
XLT
Gerald France
owner said the business wasn't doing as well as planned, go figure.
He was paid much more than the owner knew. Best thing that coulda happened
to the business was that guy movin on.
JustBugg
>I picked up a comet 108Exp clutch a year ago, for $85 (suppliers cost price)
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Your friend gave you the five finger discount. Trust me, The cost for this
part is nowhere near this price. (try double that)
ski...@earthlink.net
Mike & Christine Robichaud <ker...@agate.net> wrote:
> Today, I found I need to rebuild or replace the primary clutch on my 94
> XLT Special. I can buy an "uncalibrated" P-85 through H.P.E. for $324.,
> deal (of course) but is it as reliable as the P-85?? I think the
> original clutch is smoked, shaft is worn, etc.. Any ideas??
> --
> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9005
> "If you can't out run 'em, out drive 'em!"
Mike & Chris,
The P-85 and the Comet are identical in operation and fairly similar in
structure. Both excellent pieces. The P-85 even uses comet weights, (simply
assigining a different 3 digit identification system) I purchased a 108 EXP
through Shade Tree, fully calibrated for about $250. I was very pleased at the
performance and relibility.
Rich K.
'93 Mach 1
'74 T'NT
"The only true rush is the 110 MPH blur of scenery screaming down a wide
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paulen...@home.com
Gold spring installed, really made a difference - the sled feels totally
different. Noisier and a little harder on fuel, but sooo much more power
to the ground - amazing for tight, twisting slow to medium speed trails
(5 - 50 mph.)
Paul 93 Indy 440
paulen...@home.com wrote:
>
> 93 Indy 440 - 5900 miles - clutch needed attention. I traded the stock
> clutch for a 108 EXP (150 miles) and $ 200 Can. I need to do a little
> adjustment - so I bought the book (Olav Aaen's Clutch Tuning Handbook)
> and some parts to tune - the spring the 108 came with was wrong. Even
> so, the skis almost came off the ground the first time and the shifting
> is superior to the stock item. I'm going tuning now, should be able to
> regain my lost topend speed and higher engagement speed.
> Total investment so far: $ 260 Can.
> Paul
>
paulen...@home.com
parts was in the range of 70 points, I'm in the wrong business !
JustBugg
>Sounds reasonable - If the g/p (gross profit) available in snowmobile
>parts was in the range of 70 points, I'm in the wrong business !
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The general markup of any type of snowmobile part from dealer cost to retail
price is 30-40%. I don't know why the markup isn't like a general retail
store, but that's life. I only make about 10-15% on every snowmobile part I
sell. I figure that if I discount all the things I sell, I will sell more. So
in the end, it all means the same. It just takes me longer and a little more
work to reach a decent profit. But we all get a good deal this way. (if it
wasn't for customer sales, I wouldn't be able to qualify for dealer status -
and get parts cheap for myself)
General retail stores (K-mart) average 90-100% markup. My wife and I own a
book store, and I am still suprised that everything YOU buy is always double
the cost of what I pay for (as far as retail business goes, a book I buy at $10
sells for $20 to you.)
That's the business to be in.
MarkEd88
>General retail stores (K-mart) average 90-100% markup. My wife and I own a
>book store, and I am still suprised that everything YOU buy is always double
>the cost of what I pay for (as far as retail business goes, a book I buy at
>$10
>sells for $20 to you.)
>
>
In retail a book that costs $10 and sells for $20 would be considered a 50%
*markup*. This formula allows you to use straight % to arrive back to your
cost.
Ed
JustBugg
>
>In retail a book that costs $10 and sells for $20 would be considered a 50%
>*markup*. This formula allows you to use straight % to arrive back to your
>cost.
>
>Ed
>
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It all depends where you start from. Because if you go from an original $10 to
a final $20, that's a 100% increase.
FRIGIDFUN
I have a brand new P-85 intended for an Ultra. It can be had for $150.00 plus
shipping.
Good Luck,
Dave
frig...@aol.com
paulen...@home.com
20 to 50 points (percentage of selling price that is profit). The same
goes for wholesale, where the margin on a hi volume item may be as low
as 10 points.
Typically, a minimum of 20 points net sale (after discounts, rebates and
volume incentives, etc.) will allow a business to make some profit.
Non traditional services such as private / mail-order houses can live on
lower margins, since their overhead is significantly lower. In all
cases, the number of turns is also important; ie. how many times does a
product sell (or turn) ? Consider grocery stores - sometimes only 1%
margin, but turns occur every day - that's 350 turns / year !!!
Good luck in your endeavours.
Paul 93 Indy 440
JustBugg wrote:
>
> >From: paulendlicher@home.
>
> >Sounds reasonable - If the g/p (gross profit) available in snowmobile
> >parts was in the range of 70 points, I'm in the wrong business !
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> The general markup of any type of snowmobile part from dealer cost to retail
> price is 30-40%. I don't know why the markup isn't like a general retail
> store, but that's life. I only make about 10-15% on every snowmobile part I
> sell. I figure that if I discount all the things I sell, I will sell more. So
> in the end, it all means the same. It just takes me longer and a little more
> work to reach a decent profit. But we all get a good deal this way. (if it
> wasn't for customer sales, I wouldn't be able to qualify for dealer status -
> and get parts cheap for myself)
>
> General retail stores (K-mart) average 90-100% markup. My wife and I own a
> book store, and I am still suprised that everything YOU buy is always double
> the cost of what I pay for (as far as retail business goes, a book I buy at $10
> sells for $20 to you.)
>
> That's the business to be in.
>
paulen...@home.com
analysis is the fact that businesses are usually run on gross sales
numbers, in other words, sell $20.00 @ 40% and make $ 8 gross profit,
with cog (cost of goods) being the difference, $ 12.00.
G/P = (Sell Price-cog)/ Sell Price
Otherwise, you are comparing apples with oranges.
JustBugg wrote:
>
> >From: mark...@aol.com
>
> >
> >In retail a book that costs $10 and sells for $20 would be considered a 50%
> >*markup*. This formula allows you to use straight % to arrive back to your
> >cost.
> >
> >Ed
> >
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> It all depends where you start from. Because if you go from an original $10 to
> a final $20, that's a 100% increase.
>
RPaar2lman
>
>In retail a book that costs $10 and sells for $20 would be considered a 50%
>*markup*.
Sorry Ed, but that is a 100% markup. The book is bought at $10 and marked up
100% of it's cost, equalling $20.
The same book bought at $10 and sold for $20, has a profit margin of 50%. That
is figured by taking the profit, and dividing it by the selling price.
Trust me on this one. If you disagree, talk to an accountant, and he will
confirm this to be the true definition of those terms.
X700
JustBugg
>Sorry Ed, but that is a 100% markup. The book is bought at $10 and marked up
>100% of it's cost, equalling $20.
>The same book bought at $10 and sold for $20, has a profit margin of 50%.
>That
>is figured by taking the profit, and dividing it by the selling price.
>Trust me on this one. If you disagree, talk to an accountant, and he will
>confirm this to be the true definition of those terms.
>X700
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Rightfully said. Studying a book on economics doesn't compare to being the one
selling the product. When it's your investment money, you KNOW what the
figures are.
Clare Snyder
>In my experiences, profit margins on retail electronics range from about
>20 to 50 points (percentage of selling price that is profit). The same
>goes for wholesale, where the margin on a hi volume item may be as low
>as 10 points.
That may be to list - but to street price it is a LOT lower. I know a
lot of computer distributors AND resellers are running on 3 - 5%. No
wonder the only thing that goes out of business faster around here are
restaurants.
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>> Brian UAWproud GM Iron Foundry Defiance, Ohio
>> *Since everybody disputes my freedom of speech, I will remind you that this is
>> solely my opinion and my opinion only. You don't need to flame my signature
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MarkEd88
>Sorry Ed, but that is a 100% markup. The book is bought at $10 and marked up
>100% of it's cost, equalling $20.
>The same book bought at $10 and sold for $20, has a profit margin of 50%.
>That
>is figured by taking the profit, and dividing it by the selling price.
>Trust me on this one. If you disagree, talk to an accountant, and he will
>confirm this to be the true definition of those terms.
>X700
>
>
What you say is true, but in retail it is common practice to use the term
"markup" as being the same as gross profit. If a dealer says he only marks up
a product 50% that cost $100 he will sell it for $200. Many calculators have
markup (MU) keys that prove this point. Other calculators have keys that are
called gross profit margin (GPM) and they both do the same thing they increase
the cost by a factor that will allow you to use straight percentage to arrive
back at your original cost. The point I was (should Have been) trying to make
is that many times when discussing markups & profit margins its important to
know what formula or definition the other person is using or you may come away
with the wrong impression.
ED
JustBugg
If you raise a $10 item 100%, then it is a total of $20. Period.
If you lower that same $20 item 50%, then it is $10.
In the same breath, if you raise a $10 item 50%, then it is only $15.
Your theories are correct, but from a business owner's standpoint, (which I
am), I deal with price / cost differences, markups and markdowns. And in the
retail industry, the above is the correct method to calculate pricing. Any
other method to figure out prices would deceive the customer.
paulen...@home.com
electronics, because computers are generally regarded as a separate
category. You are however, correct with regards to the low margins on
the hardware. Software items and accessories, however, are another thing
altogether - 20 percent of the sales brings half the profit ??
Computers are comparable to cellular or other rapidly developing,
technologically advanced goods that require rapid product turnover in
order to feed the development process.
Regular electronics have not really undergone such dramatic advancements
- CD's maybe, but certainly slower - home theatre - still too fragmented
- DVD - too specialized.
Regards
P
> >> ***************************************************
> >> Brian UAWproud GM Iron Foundry Defiance, Ohio
> >> *Since everybody disputes my freedom of speech, I will remind you that this is
> >> solely my opinion and my opinion only. You don't need to flame my signature
>
MarkEd88
>Like I said in the first place.. It's in how you >formulate the figure.
Oh Yea, well my calculator is faster then yours!
Any time you want to put your money where your roll of paper tape is, IM ready.
I just installed a new Kevlar reinforced ribbon, a roll of supper slippery
graphite imbedded paper and upgraded my fuse from a 1.5 to a 3.5 amp. I'm ready
sucker LETS GO!!!
Fast Eddie
*Warning* this thread is about to get boring
and way off topic.
Now since I "Refuse to lose" as quoted by that sneaky little weasel #24
Your math is correct, and I agree with everything you say but....
As a fellow business owner I might say to a customer that I make a 50% mark up
meaning that I sell an item for $20 that cost me $10. The customer will
probably think the Item cost me $15 unless they know retail. No one is trying
to deceive anyone they just don't know the terminology. Not that I go around
telling customers what my profit is, any profit is too much for some people.
Anyway, stiff competition usually controls the selling price today. In my neck
of the woods the sled dealers are few and far between, and they get list price
for everything with no discounting unless your a racer with a weekly parts
list.
This is what happens when there isn't any snow within 500 miles.
Happy Trails, Ed
JustBugg
>Oh Yea, well my calculator is faster then yours!
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ready, go... fastest to bore everyone wins.