'98 Indy Ultra vs. '98 Indy 700 XCR
Kim Sanborn
Hi folks,
These are the two 700 sleds I'm considering...I've looking in the '98
book for the specs, and found them to be similiar, yet the price is
considerably different. (US Suggested Retail) Ultra=$6599, 700
XCR=$7899. The major differences are as listed:
Ultra (679cc case reed liquid) XCR (680cc case reed liquid)
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Brake Hyd Disc Liq cooled Hyd Disc
Front Susp IFS Xtra 12 IFS Xtra 10
Rear Susp Xtra 12 Xtra 10
Rear Shocks Indy Select & Nitrogen Fox Gas
Ski type steel composite
Carbide Runners EZ steer standard
Headlight 60/55 Halogen 130/110 Halogen
Elec fuel & temp gauge (optional) (standard)
windshield Flair smoke standard Smoke low
On a side note, it also says the XCR comes with "CRC - Controlled Rolled
Center Steering Package". Also, the Ultra has the original hood, and the
XCR has the newest hood.
A $1300 difference for what? The CRC, lightbulb & shocks? Is it XCR
worth the price? No, I don't plan on doing any official racing.
-Kim
'97 Grand Touring SE
'90 Indy 650
Michael Hart
In article <5h8r10$hm4$1...@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
kim.s...@dartmouth.edu says...
>
>Hi folks,
>
>These are the two 700 sleds I'm considering...I've looking in the '98
>book for the specs, and found them to be similiar, yet the price is
>considerably different. (US Suggested Retail) Ultra=$6599, 700
>XCR=$7899. The major differences are as listed:
>
>
Xtra-12.
XC 700 is the heavier agressive with triple pipes (not ideal for
touring as powerband is peakier) and more top end power.
The sled you'd probably love they don't make anymore... Ultra SP!
Perhaps you can find an unsold 97? Single Pipe 679, Xtra-10 and CRC.
Michael
Doug Miller
Kim Sanborn <kim.s...@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>These are the two 700 sleds I'm considering...I've looking in the '98
>book for the specs, and found them to be similiar, yet the price is
>considerably different. (US Suggested Retail) Ultra=$6599, 700
>XCR=$7899. The major differences are as listed:
Hey, I'm not a Polaris guy, and I may get burned again by trying to
keep them all straight, but isn't the XCR 700 the same as last year's
Ultra SPX? That would make it triple piped, 130-170 horsepower,
depending on what math system you use, and in the new "more stable at
speed, heavier than hell" chassis.
The Ultra would be the 105 horse (or 120, again depending math system
used), single piped sled, 10 year old chassis.
The good news is they both have 1980 designed hydraulic brakes, AKA
Progressive.
If you're gonna buy a Polaris, buy the XC700. Neat sled, light, plenty
of ponies, and will have, IMHO, a much better resale value than either
of the two previously mentioned sleds. IMHO, Polaris will drop the
Ultra motor next year, making the Ultras undesirable.
Again, if I get models confused, sorry. I do have a lot of respect for
the 700 twin motors - they work well.
-Doug Miller
800 ZRT 700ZR
Nitro
xc700 is the twin..old hood.light chassis.....xcr700 triple is the
cheesgrater hooded one..fat fat.... (oldspx)
I know..you forgot the r....
Nitro
Dennis Barbier
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>Brake Hyd Disc Liq cooled Hyd Disc
>Front Susp IFS Xtra 12 IFS Xtra 10
>Rear Susp Xtra 12 Xtra 10
>Rear Shocks Indy Select & Nitrogen Fox Gas
>Ski type steel composite
>Carbide Runners EZ steer standard
>Headlight 60/55 Halogen 130/110 Halogen
>Elec fuel & temp gauge (optional) (standard)
>windshield Flair smoke standard Smoke low
>
>On a side note, it also says the XCR comes with "CRC - Controlled Rolled
>Center Steering Package". Also, the Ultra has the original hood, and the
>XCR has the newest hood.
>
>A $1300 difference for what? The CRC, lightbulb & shocks? Is it XCR
>worth the price? No, I don't plan on doing any official racing.
>
>-Kim
>'97 Grand Touring SE
>'90 Indy 650
Kim, the XCR will have fox shocks, Plastic Skiis, Electric heat and
feul gauges, as well as triple pipes (and about 30 hp more than the
standard Ultra) Is it worth the extra 1300? Well, Fox shocks alone
would cost near 1000 to put on aftermarket, so your getting the Fuel ,
gas gauge, plastic skiis, crc, newest chassis and a truckload of more
power for 300 bucks. sounds like a good deal to me.
Dennis
Matt
You overlooked the triple pipes. Fox shox are not cheap either, I
believe about $700 a set retail.
Matt
Kim Sanborn
Hi,
I've received a couple of pieces of email about this subject, and there
seems to be some confusion about whether the Ultra is a triple....
Quoting from the official POLARIS website (www.polarisindustries.com),
the Ultra is a "Liquid-cooled 679cc case-reed triple", and the XCR is a
"680cc case-reed liquid-cooled triple with triple pipes" . Is there a
difference here, other than 1cc?
Thanks,
-Kim
'97 Skidoo GT SE
'90 Indy 650
Tom Avery
Kim Sanborn <kim.s...@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>Hi,
It may not seem clear but it is. It's just as Doug Miller, et al said.
The motors are the same 3 cyl. case reed 680cc. The Ultra has a single
pipe, and the XCR has triple pipes. The Ultra is in the std. Indy
chassis. The XCR is in the bigger, heavier Agressive Chassis (al la 96
XCR 600 SP (Pig Irion), and the 96/97/98 Storm). There are rumors of
the Pig Iron Chassis going on a diet, but I'd say that even the
Polaris faithful aren't holding their breath.
All in all, you haven't told us what kind of sled you're looking to
buy, and what kind of riding you want to do, which would help us help
you decide. :)
TA
TA
--
Tom Avery
97 Ultra SP
95 XLT Special
80something Kitty Kat (turbo'd, nitrous'd, Hemi V-8)
'Unofficial' Gates Rubber Test Pilot
xtra...@ix.netcom.com
Scott Smith
They are basically the same motor except the Ultra has a single pipe and
the XCR has triple pipes, which makes huge hp difference on this motor.
Kim Sanborn <kim.s...@dartmouth.edu> wrote in article
<5hb4p7$b7t$1...@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>...
> Hi,
>
> I've received a couple of pieces of email about this subject, and there
> seems to be some confusion about whether the Ultra is a triple....
>
> Quoting from the official POLARIS website (www.polarisindustries.com),
> the Ultra is a "Liquid-cooled 679cc case-reed triple", and the XCR is a
> "680cc case-reed liquid-cooled triple with triple pipes" . Is there a
> difference here, other than 1cc?
>
Mark A Zimmerman
Scott Smith (ssm...@city.grande-prairie.ab.ca) wrote:
: They are basically the same motor except the Ultra has a single pipe and
: the XCR has triple pipes, which makes huge hp difference on this motor.
Was there any difference in cylinder heads and\or timing between
these two?
Mark Zimmerman
Central Wisconsin
Doug Miller
Kim Sanborn <kim.s...@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>Quoting from the official POLARIS website (www.polarisindustries.com),
>the Ultra is a "Liquid-cooled 679cc case-reed triple", and the XCR is a
>"680cc case-reed liquid-cooled triple with triple pipes" . Is there a
>difference here, other than 1cc?
They are identical motors, except one has three exhaust pipes, and one
has a single pipe. The three pipes are worth about 30 horsepower more.
And, due to the triple pipe chassis, the triple pipe sled is a LOT
heavier.
Again, IMHO, neither of these sleds is nearly as good as the XC700
which has the new 700cc twin motor.
-Doug Miller
Mark A Zimmerman
: They are identical motors, except one has three exhaust pipes, and one
: has a single pipe. The three pipes are worth about 30 horsepower more.
: And, due to the triple pipe chassis, the triple pipe sled is a LOT
: heavier.
: Again, IMHO, neither of these sleds is nearly as good as the XC700
: which has the new 700cc twin motor.
: -Doug Miller
I realize that they did away with the Ultra SP this year as the
sled would have been in direct competition with the XC-700, but what
do you think the comparison would be if you would have taken the
SP sled, triple piped it and did away with the XCR-700? The weight
would be waaaay down and the horsepower above what the XC-700 is.
I would have really liked to have seen a factory triple piped 680 in
the lighter standard chassis and maybe some REAL pipes, not the pipes
that compromise horsepower as the factory ones do. My point being that
it seems the factory triple piped 680 is 135HP whereas the pipe guys
are all stating numbers at around 145 or a tad better. So, what gives
with the factory pipes?
It's all a mute point now as the factory has done away with the
Ultra SP and they seem to want to keep the heavier aggressive chassis
sled. I guess since I have a '97 Ultra SP, I have a bias towards it
and at the same time can't seem to bring myself to be buying a new
XC-700 when all that I have to do is pipe mine and bring the power
waaaay over what the 700 is. The only thing that I'd be gaining in
the chassis department is the new location of the rear trailing arm
mounting point. I'd like to someday be able to talk to some of the
bean counters up at Polaris, but then I suppose that maybe some of
their design people would, too....
Mark Zimmerman
Central Wisconsin
Mark Wolverton
Many dealers around here in almost snowless all season southern New
England have brand new Ultra SP's available for around $5700. or so.
I'll sell you mine if you're interested with reverse, SLP skis, studs and
Super Cover for $5300. if you're interested. Great sled, too bad they're
not making it in 98. If they only put that motor in the XC chassis, I
think it would still be a strong seller, but would take some of the
spotlight off the XC 700.
-
MARK WOLVERTON NVL...@prodigy.com
Mark A Zimmerman
Mark Wolverton (NVL...@prodigy.com) wrote:
: Many dealers around here in almost snowless all season southern New
I got my Ultra SP for $5679 last October and had no problems with
it. It's power output is restricted on the exhaust side though, but it
had plenty of torque. And I agree that it'd probably take away some
customers from the XC-700 line.
Mark Zimmerman
Central Wisconsin
Snowman
Sorry but my buddy say's your a moron, can't you see the difference.
Fox Shox
Laser lights
X-10
Triple pipes
30 more H.P. = way more JAM
Agressive chassis.
CRC
Better Ergo's
My buddy Ian's comments
Snowman....
Jim&Stacey Turcotte
> They are identical motors, except one has three exhaust pipes, and
one
> has a single pipe. The three pipes are worth about 30 horsepower more.
> And, due to the triple pipe chassis, the triple pipe sled is a LOT
> heavier.
> Again, IMHO, neither of these sleds is nearly as good as the XC700
> which has the new 700cc twin motor.
> -Doug Miller
I would have to agree with Doug on this one. You should consider the
700 XC also. Less weight, and probably the same power as the Ultra.
Although I would think the XC would take the Ultra out of the hole
easily. Should be alot more torque.
Jim
kh...@aol.com
The Ultra vs SPX Different pipe(s), cylinder ports, ignition timing, and heads.
WAIT4SNO
tHEY still have the regular Ultra which is almos the same as the 97 Sp not
sure if the 98 has X10 or X12 . Factories can't put in the same pipes as
aftermarket they haave to have heat shields and be built to last longer
thicker metals and such. Aftermarkets don't have or need the heat shields
and are thinner.
Launchpad
XCR 600
Michael Hart
In article <19970409215...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
wait...@aol.com says...
The 98 Ultra is Xtra-12 versus the 97 Ultra SP's Xtra 10 w/crc. In
short the 98 Ultra is a touring sled. Want a performance triple from
Polaris? Only choice is the heavy chassis... Some are regarding that as
no choice! While Polaris may lose some business over this they may
switch some in the XC 600/700 but even those appear better suited for
touring lacking rear Fox shocks and a low seat.
As for the pipes.. noise is a big factor!
Michael