Bombardier bought Polaris?
G.H.
I know they tried to buy Polaris out in the early 80's but some federal
law (Can or US) disallowed it .
GREG
XCR
THINK SNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chadek AO
ROTFL
Didn't get anything for my stock.
ari...@worldnet.att.net
XCR <XC...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<12397-364...@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net>...
> What this can't beatem so you buy them get real!!!
>
> THINK SNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >>>what ?
HiJaak7907
Summits
Gerry, XC600
Bombardier doesn't have enough money. There isn't enough money in Canada.
XCR
THINK SNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SNOMONUT
No offense Gerry, but Bombardier is a multi-BILLION dollar company, it in fact
DOES have enough money to buy both Polaris AND Arctic Cat, if they so desired.
That being said, I have heard nothing regarding this rumor and highly doubt
that it is true.
Steve
97 Formula Z
MARK A BOEVERS
Gerry, XC600 wrote in message ...
SnoGoer497
Walter van Hemert
>Bombardier doesn't have enough money. There isn't enough money in Canada.
>
cause a riot, sled manufacturer fight, etc. but Bombardier is a huge
company, and could buy polaris without too much trouble. If you didn't know
it, sled and PWCs are a tiny, I repeat tiny piece of Bombardier's business,
they build trains, fighter jet planes, passenger planes, and a multitude of
extreme snow condition machines, just to list a few of there products.
Some quick financial information 1998 revenue in excess of 8.5 Billion
canadian dollars so even with the crummy value of the canadian dollar that
is well over 5 Billion U.S. dollars. Don't have total polaris figures but
1998 revenue was just over 1 Billion dollars.
Now mind you that is just revenue when you start looking at balance sheets
like total assets on hand, etc. there is no competition.
Walter van Hemert
98 Summit X
KJ Riel
loyal crowd. In the early 70's I rode a rupp, a snow-jet in the late 70's,
yamaha in the 80's. I now ride a ski-doo. If I were going to buy a sled this
year it would be a polaris. The only thing brand loyalty will insure is that
you will be riding the best sled on the market 25% of the time.
Keith Riel
96 670 summit
chet
You got that right.... Bombardier is a Huge corporation.... they
probably could purchase both the american sled makers, but like the
president of Ski Doo said. it's the competition that makes sleds keep
getting better.
Chet
XCR
get so real good FLAMES out of this Bombardier bought Polaris thing
I'll start Bombardier should stick to making planes,buses,boats and
what ever else because most of their snowmobiles ideas they stole from
POLARIS FLAME AWAY BOYS
HAMMER DOWN-WIND @ YOUR BACK-SKIS TO THE SKY AND BE SAFE
Snowman
G.H. wrote in message <364E6B...@mts.net>...
RMJ Motorsport
Hows Polaris lawsuit on stealing patents
and not remembering how to weld handle bar
posts together.
No more is needed to be said.
RMJ MOTORSPORTS
SnoGoer497 wrote in message <19981115144614...@ng128.aol.com>...
William J. Hendrickson
>
> >Bombardier should stick to making planes,buses,boats and
> >what ever else because most of their snowmobiles ideas they stole from
> >POLARIS
>
>
> Mark
Clutches breaking? At least they're recalling them, unlike
Cat....Anyway if it wasn't for Bombardier we might not even have
snowmobiles to ride.
Scott
98 MXZ 670
97 ZR 580
Surgler
different manufacturing not just sleds and yes amazingly enough there are
enough shekels in this country (Canada) to do just that, especially in
Bombardier's pockets if they chose to do so. Hint, go check on the net and
see what their net worth is.
Bill
sur...@fsjames.com
97 Powder
Gerry, XC600 wrote in message ...
JLeosnow
I second that!! Onelast thing, at least Bombardier stands behind there product
on issues that DO NOT have any risk to injury!! And save the flames, I ride a
Polaris.
-JLeosnow
SKI D00
T. Ryan
ski-doo built the 96 summit 670?
If not for the 96 summit 670, all the polaris mtn riders would be on
ultra rmk's....That would be funny
mxz 670 first, then there came an xc700
Tom
XC...@webtv.net (XCR) wrote:
>I like that 25% of the time. I think we could
>get so real good FLAMES out of this Bombardier bought Polaris thing
>I'll start Bombardier should stick to making planes,buses,boats and
>what ever else because most of their snowmobiles ideas they stole from
Gerry, XC600
You chose to ignore the "crock of shit" part of the message. The rest was
OBVIOUSLY a joke. We'll see if Doo-Doo buys Polaris and then who's right and
who's wrong!
SNOMONUT wrote in message <19981115114230...@ng68.aol.com>...
>Bombardier doesn't have enough money.
No offense Gerry, but Bombardier is a multi-BILLION dollar company, it in
Gerry, XC600
You chose to ignore the "crock of shit" part of the message. The rest was
OBVIOUSLY a joke. We'll see if Doo-Doo buys Polaris and then who's right and
who's wrong!
MARK A BOEVERS wrote in message <72n47l$ntd$1...@ins8.netins.net>...
Bombardier not have enough money?!!!!!!ROTFLMAOAYDA!!!!!!!!!!
Gerry, XC600
Boy you are SERIOUS. The part about them not having enough money was
OBVIOUSLY a joke. Sure got some people riled up though.
I don't think Polaris is for sale. Think about it.
Gerry
Walter van Hemert wrote in message
<72nbf4$q...@priv-sys04-le0.telusplanet.net>...
>What a crock of shit!
>Bombardier doesn't have enough money. There isn't enough money in Canada.
>
Mark Morissette
>Bombardier doesn't have enough money. There isn't enough money in Canada.
Hmm. I havn't seen any Jet Aircraft being produced by Polaris
recently.. FYI, Bombardier isn't only snowmobiles..
Hate to burst your bubble.. The dollars are most certainly there, bud.
---
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Michael Hart
>
fact
>DOES have enough money to buy both Polaris AND Arctic Cat, if they so
desired.
>
>That being said, I have heard nothing regarding this rumor and highly doubt
>that it is true.
That's for sure... Bombardier is a huge company who by comparison only
dabbles in recreational products.
And given their continuing red ink on RP one would doubt expansion by
acquisition would be viable. Polaris, as Chadek mentions is a publicly
traded company so a premium would make it very expensive.
Besides *if* (big IF) Doo already makes the best snowmobiles all the
customers will be flocking to yellow anyway... :^)
Frosty
G.H. <ghyg...@mts.net> wrote in article <364E6B...@mts.net>...
Steve Miceli
<lan...@halhinet.on.ca> wrote:
> Even though I don't why they would want to buy polaris and I don't mean to
> cause a riot, sled manufacturer fight, etc. but Bombardier is a huge
> company, and could buy polaris without too much trouble. If you didn't know
> it, sled and PWCs are a tiny, I repeat tiny piece of Bombardier's business,
> they build trains, fighter jet planes, passenger planes, and a multitude of
> extreme snow condition machines, just to list a few of there products.
>
> Some quick financial information 1998 revenue in excess of 8.5 Billion
> canadian dollars so even with the crummy value of the canadian dollar that
> is well over 5 Billion U.S. dollars. Don't have total polaris figures but
> 1998 revenue was just over 1 Billion dollars.
>
> Now mind you that is just revenue when you start looking at balance sheets
> like total assets on hand, etc. there is no competition.
>
> Walter van Hemert
> 98 Summit X
Just a quick tidbit on Bombardier. In 1994, I bought stock in
Bombardier. Since then, they have
had two 2-for-1 stock splits. I now have 4 times as much stock &
equivalent value. 400% increase in less
than 5 years. Stock analyists are predicting 30% growth yearly for the
next 3 years. I'm buying more stock!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve
98 MXZ
96 FZ
95MX
93 Plus
--
mea...@iconnect.net
96 FZ
95 MX
93 Plus
DDLATS
Well said Walter... I was waiting for someone to add that to this thread.
Check out bombardier's web site http://www.bombardier.com
Don
Ski-Doo owner
Michigan
>Subject: Re: Bombardier bought Polaris?
>From: "Walter van Hemert" <heme...@planet.eon.net>
>Date: Sun, Nov 15, 1998 15:01 EST
>Message-id: <72nbf4$q...@priv-sys04-le0.telusplanet.net>
>
>>What a crock of shit!
>>Bombardier doesn't have enough money. There isn't enough money in Canada.
>>
DDLATS
That is the second best post I read about this subject. Like they say if you
cannot beat them steal their technology..... Why does Polaris no longer have a
Fuel injected sled?
Don
Michigan
Ski-Doo owner
Gary Udstrand
> Why did the mtn riders put rotax engines in polaris chassis before
> ski-doo built the 96 summit 670?
>
> If not for the 96 summit 670, all the polaris mtn riders would be on
> ultra rmk's....That would be funny
>
> mxz 670 first, then there came an xc700
>
> Tom
Umm, try the ZR700 first...
--
Gary Udstrand
The opinions expressed are mine only, unless you agree with me.
The world is filled with willing people; some willing to work, the rest
willing to let them.
-Robert Frost
Nygaards
have cumultatively lost money the last 12 years in this group. What does that
say ?
Steve Miceli
(Nygaards) wrote:
I'm reading the latest annual report right now. From 1989 to the present,
the rec products division is up $608.3 million (Canadian). Up $506.8
million in the last 4 years. What does that say?
Steve
RMJ Motorsport
was discontinued. Then one day, Arctic Cat woke up
and said, wow we really missed this one, lets just bring
it back unchanged. Yeah this ought to be good.
RMJ MOTORSPORTS
Gary Udstrand wrote in message ...
>In article <3651c10d...@news.srv.net>, >
MXZ
>Read A Bombardier annual report. In the motorized rec products division they
>have cumultatively lost money the last 12 years in this group. What does that
>say ?
What report are you reading?
Check the latest Annual Report issued (January 31, 1998)
Income: (in Millons, Canadian)
Motorized Total
Consumer Bombardier Corp
Products Includes all division world wide
1998 $1.4 $420.2
1997 $212.3 $406.2
1996 $176.3 $158.0
1995 $116.8 $247.3
1994 $76.6 $177.3
1993 $28.4 $133.7
1992 -$6.8 $107.7
1991 -$21.9 $100.1
1990 $11.0 $91.5
1989 $14.2 $68.3
Looks like Motorized consumer products lost mone in 92, 91 not for the
last 12 years.
Steven LaMunion
MARK A BOEVERS
and NOT "Charge" their R&D to the consumer
Nygaards wrote in message <19981118200950...@ng52.aol.com>...
Michael Hart
MXZ wrote in message <36545a7e....@news.localnet.com>...
>Check the latest Annual Report issued (January 31, 1998)
>
>Income: (in Millons, Canadian)
Expenses?
Or is that actually net income?
Steve Miceli
<mwh...@execpc.com> wrote:
If i'm reading the Annual Report correctly, for the last 4 years, the rec
products division of Bombardier has:
Revenues=$6.092 BILLION
Net Income=$506.8 MILLION (before taxes)
Steve
--
mea...@iconnect.net
98 MXZ
Nygaards
Bottom line buddy is that they are losing bucks in the motorized rec division.
They has sales in that end of the business last yr of over 1.2 billion dollars
and made 1.2 million. I guess great performance begets great performance.
Daniel Martin
have financial analyst. We are at times far from what the whole
intent of this forum is suppose to be. Love of one winter pass time
and that is snowmobiling or sledding for the other half.
Daniel
Gilles Desjardins
coming back for some reason.
Gilles...
Daniel Martin wrote in message <3658c0ad...@nntp.netcom.ca>...
MDMead
>have financial analyst. We are at times far from what the whole
>intent of this forum is suppose to be. Love of one winter pass time
>and that is snowmobiling or sledding for the other half.
This forum is for everything snowmobile related too. I'd say financial health
of a manufacturer qualifies......
Besides, this is certainly more interesting than "My Arctic Cat can beat your
Ski Doo!" posts.
Matt
Yamaha owner
Joel Nordsving
Létourneau François
>
> I like that 25% of the time. I think we could
> get so real good FLAMES out of this Bombardier bought Polaris thing
> I'll start Bombardier should stick to making planes,buses,boats and
> what ever else because most of their snowmobiles ideas they stole from
> POLARIS FLAME AWAY BOYS
>
> HAMMER DOWN-WIND @ YOUR BACK-SKIS TO THE SKY AND BE SAFE
If Bombardier stole ideas from Polaris... tell me why Polaris try to buy
the RER from them... and don't forget the V.E.S. it's seems very similar
to RAVE exhaust valve Rotax used since 1989 (Mach 1 583 1989)...
Frank
MXZ 600 '99
Daniel Martin
humor, you can't be serious to post something of this sort.
Daniel
Jon E.
bad copies.
Michael Hart
Jon E. wrote in message <01be1921$710ac920$aa01...@fauske06.fauske.net>...
>A simple question ??? Who built the first snowmobile?????. The rest is only
>bad copies.
>
>
You might want to look at http://www.eliason-snowmobile.com/
Chadek AO
In article <365CC5...@cooptel.qc.ca>, Létourneau François
<fle...@cooptel.qc.ca> writes:
>If Bombardier stole ideas from Polaris... tell me why Polaris try to buy
>the RER from them... and don't forget the V.E.S. it's seems very similar
>to RAVE exhaust valve Rotax used since 1989 (Mach 1 583 1989)...
>
>
VES may look the same to you but it works from a different side of the
combustion process and has more low end enhancments. More refined and
sophisticated you might say. Bombardier is to Rupaul as Polaris is to Cyndy
Crawford
JOE PASS
going.
Oh, and Eliason made the first snowmobile back in the 1920's. Ski-doo
was second.
I hate when people don't do their homework...geeeeesh!
Joe~
Daniel Martin wrote:
>
> First snowmobile does not make it the best.
Daniel Martin
Gilles Desjardins
way Polaris could stay out of the courtroom. As for "different side of the
combustion process".... they are both varying the exhaust backpressure in
one form or another and therefore are functionally the same. It should be
more refined and sophisticated since it took Polaris nine years longer to
come up with it. One would expect technology to be far better. You fail
to mention anything about RER. I guess Polaris will call theirs PER in
about nine or ten years. Finally, comparing sleds with supermodels and drag
queens ???? I rode both Polaris and Bombardier and I think they are both
fine machines, however when it comes to leading edge technology, there is no
question that Bombardier tips the scale in their favor.
Gilles...
Chadek AO wrote in message <19981126080252...@ngol06.aol.com>...
Michael Hart
Gilles Desjardins wrote in message
<8mq72.1921$5n1.15...@news.magma.ca>...
>to mention anything about RER. I guess Polaris will call theirs PER in
>about nine or ten years. Finally, comparing sleds with supermodels and
drag
>queens ???? I rode both Polaris and Bombardier and I think they are both
>fine machines, however when it comes to leading edge technology, there is
no
>question that Bombardier tips the scale in their favor.
RER is interesting... Is it owned by Bombardier or by Ducati who makes the
CDI units for them?
BTW Polaris already uses the Ducati boxes in some sleds....
TH
(Yamaha Power Valve System). I guess copying the YPVS system instead of
stealing the actual product is the only way Bombardier could stay out of
the courtroom.....
Copying the RAVE concept instead of stealing the actual product is the
only way Polaris could stay out of the courtroom. As for "different
side of the
combustion process".... they are both varying the exhaust backpressure
in
> one form or another and therefore are functionally the same. It should be
> more refined and sophisticated since it took Polaris nine years longer to
> come up with it. One would expect technology to be far better. You fail
> to mention anything about RER. I guess Polaris will call theirs PER in
> about nine or ten years. Finally, comparing sleds with supermodels and drag
> queens ???? I rode both Polaris and Bombardier and I think they are both
> fine machines, however when it comes to leading edge technology, there is no
> question that Bombardier tips the scale in their favor.
>
> Gilles...
Leslie Voros
>
It says that Skidoo owes Polaris big-time for lending them so much
inspiration over the years...
> In article <19981118200950...@ng52.aol.com>, nyga...@aol.com
> (Nygaards) wrote:
>
> > Read A Bombardier annual report. In the motorized rec products division they
> > have cumultatively lost money the last 12 years in this group. What does that
> > say ?
>
> I'm reading the latest annual report right now. From 1989 to the present,
> the rec products division is up $608.3 million (Canadian). Up $506.8
> million in the last 4 years. What does that say?
>
> Steve
>
> --
> mea...@iconnect.net
Leslie Voros
suspension? Hint: you won't find it on a Polaris or Cat. Seems like
quite a coincidence that a windshield off a '98 MXZ will fit right on my
'90 polaris hood......
Gary Lafrance
(Polaris calls it the XTA) on the rear suspension and the Extended Travel
Tunnel (Polaris calls it the Dual Angle Tunnel) that Polaris has
incorporated into its new 1999 XCR 440 EDGE sled (also Yamaha for the one
piece die cast aluminum front bulkhead).
They all steal/share/borrow technology that works, so what's your point?
Gary
Leslie Voros <LVo...@sympatico.ca> wrote in article
<365FB8...@sympatico.ca>...
Dean Dobitz
a fairly large guy and am tired of those pesky SkiDoos beating me accross the
lake.
Thanks,
DD
Dean Dobitz
600. I am having problems staying with 600 twins.
Thanks,
DD
catz...@webtv.net
Jeff B Up in Maine
MAINE
The way life and snowmobiling should be.
Jim ZR 700
Get the AC Performance book
Jim
ZR700
Joel
things to check in that manual. You can get one at your dealer. I have a
bone stock 96 ZRT600 and it consistently beats 700's when lake racing.
Forget about trail racing. You'll hit a tree and worse yet, another sled.
Here are things to check next time you're out:
1. Put a piece of tape on the tachometer and make sure the engine is going
around 8300RPM's at full throttle.
2. Check your clutch drive belt and if the edges are slick replace it. New
belt is slightly rough.
3. Top speed of stock ZRT should be around 110mph.
4. A bunch ( I use 196) of studs will give you good take off at start.
Remember most races are lost at the starting line. If your ZRT aint
studded the track will spin and you will lose lots of speed.
5. Don't be a cheapskate. Spend $30 and buy that performance manual. Read
it, live it, do it!!!
6. Find a dealer that is into racing. They will help you set your sled up
for top performance.
Have fun - Joel
Dean Dobitz <ddo...@mail.border-states.com> wrote in article
<36631D3E...@mail.border-states.com>...
Leslie Voros
would be falling apart on the trails...
Leslie Voros
80's. ....mind you -Rotax built their engines. But who really
cares?
Look at Polaris now: they've got some GREAT domestic engines, aren't
Americans proud of this? Even though they may have incorporated others'
ideas into their design, building a motor that strong and reliable at
first attempt is no small feat. Yamaha also builds its own engines,
Skidoo on the other hand, cannot say the same. Sure Bombardier is
technologically up-to-date in their engine department, but the motor
better be good for the amount of money they're funnelling abroad for
it. Being Canadian, I'd be most interested in seeing what sort of a
motor Skidoo could domestically put together.
LED SLEDHED (loyal only to quality)
Paul Scott
HELLO, Bombardier owns Rotax, I'd say they might know what there doing,
there have been more more Rotax engines in the winners circle in the last 30
years than (this is a SWAG ((scientiffic wild ass guess)) than all others
combined!! LATER, JOE
Leslie Voros
>
> They all steal/share/borrow technology that works, so what's your point?
>
> Gary
>
Dear Gary, my point is exactly that!
jvanc...@yahoo.com
ski...@aol.com (SKI D00) wrote:
> >Bombardier should stick to making planes,buses,boats and
> >what ever else because most of their snowmobiles ideas they stole from
> >POLARIS
>
>
> Mark
>
Polaris came out with IFS and Hydralic brakes in the late 70's but Ski doo
refined them them to fit there chasis and all around make them better and the
Polaris took those designs and said they refined them. It has a decade or so
since polaris finally put a new brake on there sleds and that is only because
of poor braking marks on all there sleds tested by magazines such as Am
Snowmobiler, and SnowGoer. If you would like to continue this chat e mail me
at jvanc...@yahoo.com
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mxz
they look and feel more like a ski-doo every year? they are not very
inovated,but the more they copy ski-doo the better they are.
>
>
Michael Hart
mxz wrote in message <745034$ba...@saganaga.computerpro.com>...
>betcha polaris has a cylinder reed engine next year,have you noticed that
>they look and feel more like a ski-doo every year? they are not very
>inovated,but the more they copy ski-doo the better they are.
Uh take a look at the 99 Indy Trail and XCF...
Snowman
MARK A BOEVERS
Snowman wrote in message <74aakl$ebg$1...@supernews.com>...
Mike & Christine Robichaud
have cylinder reeds.
MARK A BOEVERS wrote:
Dave Anderson
the early 80's. He says Bombardier tried to buy Polaris but the US
government stepped in and nixed the deal over monopoly fears.
MARK A BOEVERS wrote in message <74esni$pgl$1...@ins8.netins.net>...
Chadek AO
In article <5WRa2.195$7E6.1...@news2.randori.com>, "Dave Anderson"
<da...@precision-inc.com> writes:
>still owned them in
>the early 80's. He says Bombardier tried to buy Polaris but the US
>government stepped in and nixed the deal over monopoly fears.
This is FACT Please note the time.It was just before Polaris tried to
purchase AC. Remember the Green Sprint ?