Arctic Cat 2002 EFI owners-Please speak out
rob_lyons
would like to know how the 2002EFI owners feel about it, especially as
compared to the carbed versions. I'm also concerned about gas mileage. I
know that the 02ZR800CC carb sled gets real good mileage..How does the EFI
version compare? I'm a little nervous buying something that I can't
"tinker" with. Any opinions welcome, please speak out.
Rob in Vermont
www.hardcoresledder.com
CrnySKIDOO
I'm not a Cat guy (I like Cats, just don't have one) but knowing you as
a good tinkerer, I would recommend the carbed version.
Cat EFI sleds are notorious for getting poorer mileage than the carbed
version, but on the other hand, for those who don't like to tinker, their sled
runs smoothly regardless of temp with EFI.
Just my opinion from following RSS and local riders of Cats over the years.
I'm not a liquid guy, but the new F Cats are wicked sweet sleds. I think you
will be very pleased if you switch.
You exposed one noticeable problem with the Edge, and that is it's high front
end makes it lean and tippier feeling in the corners. Of course the Pro X
chassis is way better than the regular.
Kevin.........
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>Subject: Arctic Cat 2002 EFI owners-Please speak out
>From: Rob Lyons
>Date: 3/9/02 3:30 AM Pacific Standard Time
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rob_lyons
03ZR8 or the F7. Only the F5 is carbed for 2003. That's why I'm a little
nervous about the efi.
Rob in Vermont
www.hardcoresledder.com
FE410 Merc
really good! My buddy just bought the 02 600 EFI in the mtn cat version and
he loves it. The pump failed after 1.9 miles though. Go to snowmobile
world.com and read the thread "02 efi fuel pump problems" It was on page 3
of the artic cat message boards and has a lot of info.
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Catmando
your paycheck it will start in 2 pulls after sitting for 2 weeks outside. As
far as mileage a regulator will bring it to acceptable mpg if it isn't
already. More resale value too.
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Sasquatch
this year it runs and performs great. His gas mileage is between 15 and 17
mpg imperial or in you terms 12.4 to 14.1. Another riding bud has a 800 ZR
carb a 2001 his mileage is about the same.
What I like about the EFI is not having to rejet no mater the temps and yes
they start second pull every time. Add electric start and command start and
you don't even have to step outside to warm them up. Free command start for
ZLs with EFI and ESR.
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JW
I don't have 800's but I have had the zl600's (3) with the EFI and reverse.
I have to tell you. ive never had trouble with them. ride when its cold,
ride when its hot, no messing with the carbs. On warm days they will start
with one pull, on the coldest days, -10 to -20 2nd pull always. even after
summarizing and sitting all summer, the most pulls were 2.
good luck
JW
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Peter C
had to pull mine over more then two times to get it started. EFI is the
answer for me. But yes the 02' ZR 800cross country efi does ghet shitty gas
milage and but i don't find mine that bad. Good luck with your possible
switch to Cat, i am sure you will like it
Scott
02' ZR 600
Maurice Richard
Salut Rob
MR
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Maurice Richard
do not forget one on your next F7
http://www.snowmobilenews.com/output.cfm?id=33535
Salut
MR
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Bob Alger
I haven't noticed any weak spots in the fuel map. The mileage has been
unbelievable also. On hardpacked Quebec trails it ranges from 14-18mpg. Same
the same loop that took 10 gal in 97 with a zr580efi is taking 6 gal with
the 800efi. Not to sound smug but, with the sled running this well I have no
desire to "tinker" with it.
Bob Alger
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jed
fuel economy when we ride together, although I am on a 600. LOVE the
starting - if it doesn't go on the first pull, it will on the second!
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rob_lyons
opportunity to ride one of those.
Rob in Vermont
www.hardcoresledder.com
On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 02:47:18 GMT, "Bob Alger" <ralger...@twcny.rr.com>
wrote:
Dan E.
I'm also considering the F7, but there are three other things that are
bothering me. Snow ingestion with the force air induction (like the viper)
and the fit and finish where the air force induction part of the cowl snaps
into the main cowl. The other is there the hand warmers switches are
located. The F7 I saw at the show, the throttle cable was over the switches
and you had to take your hands completely of the handle bar to work them.
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Dan E.
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rob_lyons
To be honest I didn't notice the problems with the switches on F&F. But I
did pay a lot of attention to the air force induction thing. Before I saw
it I had no idea of how it works. But upon inspection it looks to be a
filter membrane suspended within the Firecat's "beak", so that incoming air
(and snow) needs to go upward to enter the induction unit. The membrane
will filter the snow out, but since it is upside down, the snow would just
fall away rather than building up. It appeared to me that it would work as
long as the sled was moving. My concerns would be when you stop, with the
possibility of engine heat melting the snow onto the membrane and freezing.
Still, that could be avoided by simply making sure the "beak" area is clear
of snow when you stop. All speculation of course..
I'm planning on going to the Cat show near Montreal tomorrow, I'll look
closer at the switches then.
Rob in Vermont
www.hardcoresledder.com
Evel
Did Steve try to siphon some of your Cat gas! LOL The Renegade was a bit
thirsty I heard :o) Are you still running on the blacktop in the summer?
Evel
BTW my buds 600 EFI eats gas like crazy.. Tried to convince him to install a
regulator..
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Shawn
I have a 2000 ZR500 EFI and Love it. Second pull starts are great even
better when all your buddies are on there 4th pull on the very cold days.
*Side note* When Bragging about 2 pull starting to your buddies. MAKE SURE
THE KEY IS ON, this will save on the verbal abuse later.
As far as EFI verses carb for racing carb all the way, regular sport and
recreational riding EFI only way to go.
For mileage I ride with all 800's so I am pushing my 500 hard and average
lower mileage.
All sleds starting with a full tank this is what it takes to fill up after
90 miles.
2001 ZR800 carb (stock) 9 gallons
2002 ZR800 carb (stock) 9 gallons
2000 ZR500 EFI (stock) 9.8 - 10.1 gallons
>I'm a little nervous buying something that I can't
> "tinker" with. Any opinions welcome, please speak out.
>
> Rob in Vermont
I love tuning engines, EFI is great because you leave it alone.
Shawn
Peter S
I have a 2002 EFI ZR 800 CC EFI
Came from Doo (last 5 sleds)
Very good machine the ZR.
EFI works great - 105 miles on a 13 gal tank on moderate to heavy riding
Overall Sled - 7 of our 10 - Small problems but annoying
After 5000 miles this season (light season for me)
- Thumb warmer keeps coming off
- Decals keep coming off
- Remote resevoir shocks had to be rebuilt every 1000 miles (no cost AC
warranty)
Rob I believe you put on many miles per season (10,000 plus miles -
Congrats)
Why not invest in a 4 stroke machine
- Gas anxiety thing goes any
- Oil costs substantially lower
- Gas costs lower
- no vibration
- Environmentally friendly
I am a huge 2-stroke fan and have owned over 15 sleds in the 17 years.
4 stroke technology with tons of low end torque plus great gas and oil
consumption sounds like a winner to me.
We usually ride in Northern Ontario (we are from Toronto, Ont) and in
uebec - Most trips present gas challenges for us (300 plus miles a day)
Good luck with the F7 - Stick with the EFI - Can't go wrong - Bullet proof
Peter
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Bob Alger
Overall, I'll say it works as advertised. It is very soft/smooth on the
small washboard stuff and can feel it stiffen up as the bumps get bigger. I
think it is setup well for Quebec type trails. However, with the stock
springs I think it is a little too soft for anybody who spends most of their
time riding big bumps, like a weekend on Tug Hill. It does tend to bottom
out easier than my ZR did. I weigh 230lb so a set of heavier springs might
be in order if I spent more time in the big bumps.
Bob
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Bob Alger
with my 99 zr700 to get 12-14 mpg, so I really do appreciate the 800efi
running well out of the box. It seems Doo is taking their turn at setup
problems with the 700 and 800. Next year it will be someone else.
I'll be on the tar again this year. The zrt will be getting a little heart
surgery this month so it should be an exciting season. There should be some
quick sleds this year at ESTA.
Bob
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Matt Jensen
Mileage won't be a problem. My 02 ZR 800 EFI CC (for the *very* few
miles I owned it) did 1mpg better than my 01 ZR 800 carb over the same
period. That's with the deeper-lug track.
If you insist on tinkering, the EFI is a no-no. Otherwise, it's a
yes-yes in just about every area.
One negative: my 02 EFIs (I also have a 600 ZL SS) both had problems
with jelly gunk in the tanks when they were first delivered. It clogged
up the fuel filters and they had to be serviced by the dealer. He
dumped the old gas, replaced the filters, and washed out the tanks.
Haven't had a problem since. I don't know if it was bad gas or bad
tanks (maybe not cleaned at the factory or something.) Thought I should
mention that. On the bright side, it that was the only time I ever had
a problem with an EFI Cat.
They're very nice. But if you really want to tinker, you should
probably stay away. Clutching is about all you can do.
CrnySKIDOO wrote:
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Matt Jensen
Did he have gunk in his tank? This was pretty common. Must have
something to do with the way they handle the tanks at the factory. Must
be some residue in there or something.
Mine failed after about 60 miles. My dealer cleaned out the tanks and
the valves. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 600-700 miles since then.
Also...I have heard that this also happened with the gas tanks in the
carbs. The difference is that the carbs were able to pass the gunk
right through without a problem.
FE410 Merc wrote:
> Other then the problems with fuel pumps and smart valves the EFI works
> really good! My buddy just bought the 02 600 EFI in the mtn cat version and
> he loves it. The pump failed after 1.9 miles though. Go to snowmobile
> world.com and read the thread "02 efi fuel pump problems" It was on page 3
> of the artic cat message boards and has a lot of info.
>
> --
> FE410 Merc
Matt Jensen
Sometimes those things (like the switches) aren't ready at the time
those tour drones are thrown together. The padding on the handlebars
for the ZRs was that way last year. Be sure to ask a sales rep whether
the warmer switches will be fixed for production.
Warning...this is a sales rep...you may have to explain what you mean by
"hand warmer switch."
Rob wrote:
> Good questions, Dan.
>
> To be honest I didn't notice the problems with the switches on F&F. But I
> did pay a lot of attention to the air force induction thing. Before I saw
> it I had no idea of how it works. But upon inspection it looks to be a
> filter membrane suspended within the Firecat's "beak", so that incoming air
> (and snow) needs to go upward to enter the induction unit. The membrane
> will filter the snow out, but since it is upside down, the snow would just
> fall away rather than building up. It appeared to me that it would work as
> long as the sled was moving. My concerns would be when you stop, with the
> possibility of engine heat melting the snow onto the membrane and freezing.
> Still, that could be avoided by simply making sure the "beak" area is clear
> of snow when you stop. All speculation of course..
>
> I'm planning on going to the Cat show near Montreal tomorrow, I'll look
> closer at the switches then.
>
> Rob in Vermont
> www.hardcoresledder.com
MICHAEL O'HARA
I have a Pantera 600 EFI that averages 13-14 mpg. I have seen threads on
EFI troubles, but have not experienced any trouble at al. I serviced the
power valves at 1200 mi. and they did not stick or appear to be overly
dirty. Using AC synthetic oil. I don't snocross on the trails but I like to
lift the skis on occasion (which the 600 will do). one more thing- you will
like the throttle pull after one of your 250 mile trips. Leaves a little
strength left to tip a cold frosty after a great day of riding
MikeO
Evel
Heart surgery eh? a 1050 kit maybe :o) Me and the boys will have to get to
ESTA this year to watch you and Steve tear up the tar! We had a great time
riding this year when we able to.. We got just over 1000 miles. The boys did
great on their new 02 MXZ 500 fans.. One bent ski edge on the youngest
ones.. If I could afford it I would get him into snow-cross.. He has no
fear. He scared me a few times with his jumping this year :o) Pray that we
have some more snow next year.. I think I am going to do the REV :o)
Cheers,
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Bud Flagstad
weekend he averaged 10mpg and wonders why it may have dropped a few mpgs. He
thought the deep snow may have something to do with it vs. groomed trails. He
loves it and this is his 3rd EFI Cat.
Bud
BRC Member
2003 RX-1 "USS Tuna"
Mark Olesen
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