Death on the Ice in NH
Anonym8786
Taken from the Valley News, west-central NH (truncated), 1/26/98 (note, the
driver has since been found on 1/27, frozen to death).....
ENFIELD - A 43-year old Enfield man was still missing last night after a
bulldozer he was driving across Mascoma Lake fell through the ice, police said.
Police said the man, Peter Reynolds of Mascoma Heights Drive, was transporting
the midsized bulldozer owned by the Paragon Construction Company of Haverill,
from a nearby construction site to his house.
Reynolds was last seen crossing the lake about 12:40 PM, police said. After
he had not arrived home, his wife, Tami, became worried and began to search the
area.
Tami Reynolds said she found the hole where the bulldozer had apparently
fallen thourrgh the ice at about 3 PM, and called police.
According to a police report, the bulldozer was found after about half an
hour, upright in approximately 27 feet of warer in an area about 600 feet
southwest of Black Point, just south of Shaker Bridge.
"The way the tracks look...this thing must have happened instantaneously",
said Enfield Police Chief Peter Giese. "There is a very small hole."
He added that the ice around the hole was about 18-24 inches thick, and it was
not uncommon for people to drive (normal automobile) vehicles across the ice.
(snip)
Note: there were witnesses to his crossing.....many ice-fishing houses where he
went down. Don't ask me why folks didn't notice "here one second, gone the
next". Heavy equipment, to the best of my recollection, has never crossed the
ice. It is a highly unusual occurrance, once that would cause folks to notice.
-Kim in NH
Tim Stammers
In article <19980127032...@ladder02.news.aol.com>
anony...@aol.com (Anonym8786) writes:
> Note: there were witnesses to his crossing.....many ice-fishing houses where he
> went down. Don't ask me why folks didn't notice "here one second, gone the
> next". Heavy equipment, to the best of my recollection, has never crossed the
> ice. It is a highly unusual occurrance, once that would cause folks to notice.
>
> -Kim in NH
A friend and I came upon the scene with our snowmobiles, when there
were only two people at the hole, checking it out. We watched for a
bit as rescue workers arrived and eventually, divers were going down
in, but weren't having any luck finding the guy. Anyway, one of the
officials asked if we'd head down to the ice shanties and tell the
people with vehicles on the lake, to remove them. So, we did just that
and one of the fisherman commented that they did see the bulldozer at
one point and shortly after they said that it kind of disappeared in
the horizon. They said that they had joked that he probably went
through the ice. Needless to say, they were surprised to find out that
they were right...
- Tim
JT440
In article <19980127032...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, anony...@aol.com
(Anonym8786) writes:
>
Taken from the Valley News, west-central NH (truncated), 1/26/98 (note,
>the driver has since been found on 1/27, frozen to death).....
ENFIELD - A
>43-year old Enfield man was still missing last night after a bulldozer he was
>driving across Mascoma Lake fell through the ice, police said. Police
said
>the man, Peter Reynolds of Mascoma Heights Drive, was transporting the
>midsized bulldozer owned by the Paragon Construction Company of
>Haverill, from a nearby construction site to his house. Reynolds was
last
>seen crossing the lake about 12:40 PM, police said. After he had not arrived
>home, his wife, Tami, became worried and began to search the area. Tami
>Reynolds said she found the hole where the bulldozer had apparently fallen
>thourrgh the ice at about 3 PM, and called police. according to a police
>report, the bulldozer was found after about half an hour, upright in
>approximately 27 feet of warer in an area about 600 feet southwest of Black
>Point, just south of Shaker Bridge. "The way the tracks look...this thing
>must have happened instantaneously", said Enfield Police Chief Peter Giese.
>"There is a very small hole." He added that the ice around the hole was
>about 18-24 inches thick, and it was not uncommon for people to drive (normal
>automobile) vehicles across the ice. (snip)
Note: there were witnesses to
>his crossing.....many ice-fishing houses where he went down. Don't ask me why
>folks didn't notice "here one second, gone the next". Heavy equipment, to
>the best of my recollection, has never crossed the ice. It is a highly
>unusual occurrance, once that would cause folks to notice.
-Kim in NH
Don't worry Kim he didn't feel a thing, he had to be brain dead already when he
thought he could drive a bulldozer over a lake. Truely a "Darwin award"
canidate.
Ray Pezzi
On 27 Jan 1998 19:35:52 GMT, jt...@aol.com (JT440) shamelessly started
blaming stupid dead people for their own actions:
>
>Don't worry Kim he didn't feel a thing, he had to be brain dead already when he
>thought he could drive a bulldozer over a lake. Truely a "Darwin award"
>canidate.
>
>JT
>JT...@aol.com
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Geez, JT, at least those of us who call drunken sarcastic pea-brained
idiots "jerks" provide an opportunity for them to respond!!! :->
On the other hand, this poor fellow has no such chance to respond to
your truly mean-spirited attack. Aren't you simply ashamed of
yourself?? :->
Ray Pezzi
Impeach Hillary, Too!!
Luv2run9
Is it possible to drive a car across 18-24 inches of ice??
Jim Robinson
We will drive groomers (Tucker Sno-Cat) across 18 inches. Lake
Baikal, Russia runs trains (railroad variety) across 36 inches.
Either the ice wasn't good blue ice or there was some kind of current
or upwelling at the point he went through. Changing ice is always a
problem.
On 28 Jan 1998 03:59:58 GMT, luv2...@aol.com (Luv2run9) wrote:
>Is it possible to drive a car across 18-24 inches of ice??
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Tim Stammers
In article <19980128035...@ladder02.news.aol.com>
luv2...@aol.com (Luv2run9) writes:
> Is it possible to drive a car across 18-24 inches of ice??
No problem. They're still driving their vehicles out on the lake, just
a half a mile from the hole.
- Tim
BrackneyC
>>Is it possible to drive a car across 18-24 inches of ice??
We have a guy who plows a circle track for ice bikes here in Iowa. The ice has
been 6-8 inches and he has been good to go so far. He did put it in a few years
ago. That was a mess. We have a few of the top pro flat track riders in the
country come out on weekends and they put on one heck of a show. There are
about 50 locals who come out to race with them. Last weekend a few sleds got
out there and gave it hell. Combined with the 3 and 4 wheelers it was quite a
show. Of course, we have had 40 degree days here this wek, so the ice is better
for jet skis now. :)
JT440
(caution this post may contain humor unsuitable for morons)
In article <34ce5fd...@news.voyager.net>, rayp...@voyager.net (Ray Pezzi)
points out:
>
>On 27 Jan 1998 19:35:52 GMT, jt...@aol.com (JT440) shamelessly
>started blaming stupid dead people for their own actions:
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
>
>>Don't worry Kim he didn't feel a thing, he had to be brain dead already when
he
>>thought he could drive a bulldozer over a lake. Truely a "Darwin
>>award" canidate.
>>
>>JT
>>JT...@aol.com
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>Geez, JT, at least those of us who call drunken sarcastic pea-brained idiots
>"jerks" provide an opportunity for them to respond!!! :->
True, but those "drunken pea-brained idiots" that you call jerks are capable of
responding and perhaps mending their ways. :->
> On the other hand, this poor fellow has no such chance to respond to
>your truly mean-spirited attack. Aren't you simply ashamed of yourself??
:->
Nope! where ever his poor soul resides it's beyond my "mean-spirited attack"
Which was really an attemp to let Kim know the poor bastard (oops) didn't
suffer
much on his way down.
Then again with no basis in fact I could ask was he drunk? was that dozer
over-power? was the trail/lake marked NO DOZERS?? Was that dozer
properly registered?? Are those fishermen liable for giving him a
false sense of security?
Hmmm... Who really is to blame?
>Ray
>Pezzi
>Impeach Hillary, Too!!
JT
Don't forget Gore!
KEW
> Then again with no basis in fact I could ask was he drunk? was that dozer
> over-power? was the trail/lake marked NO DOZERS?? Was that dozer
> properly registered?? Are those fishermen liable for giving him a
> false sense of security?
> Hmmm... Who really is to blame?
> >Ray
> >Pezzi
> >Impeach Hillary, Too!!
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Trail groomers cross the lake all the time and they don't sink! I thought
you liked Hillbillary! kw
Chad
There are a lot of things I COULD do that I WOULDN'T do , although here in
WA state maybe out winters aren't cold enough or long enough to create
conditions conducive to driving on ice. I don't even WALK on it! Ice skate
in an arena. But then it's not common here to drive cars on ice so maybe
that's why I wouldn't feel secure even with only a snowmobile. I only hear
of the tragedies.
Jim Robinson wrote in message <34cf2227...@news.bellglobal.com>...
>We will drive groomers (Tucker Sno-Cat) across 18 inches. Lake
>Baikal, Russia runs trains (railroad variety) across 36 inches.
>
>Either the ice wasn't good blue ice or there was some kind of current
>or upwelling at the point he went through. Changing ice is always a
>problem.
>
>On 28 Jan 1998 03:59:58 GMT, luv2...@aol.com (Luv2run9) wrote:
>
>
John
Minnesota DNR recommends 8 inches of ice to drive a car and 5 inches to
drive a snowmobile on a lake. You have to believe there is a small margin
of safety in these numbers, but the problem is that the ice thickness can
vary widely on the lake. 24 inches of ice is WAY, WAY thick.......but
apparently not for a bulldozer.
There is also a "critical speed" based on the depth of the water and the
thickness of the ice. If your vehicle is unfortunate enough to be
traveling at the critical speed, it can create a moving wave in the ice that
can cause it to crack even though it would normally have been thick enough
to safely support your vehicle.
Luv2run9 wrote in message <19980128035...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
Markus1068
KW wrote:
>Trail groomers cross the lake all the time and they don't sink! I >thought
you liked Hillbillary! kw
Sorry, they sink. We broke through 8 inches of ice with ours 4 years ago, sunk
like a rock. Maybe 5 seconds from the first crack, to it sitting on the bottom
of the lake. See it first hand, you become more respectful of the ice.
Markus.
Dbmxz
.......Lets see.....vehicle broke through the ice...had cleats on it........yes
! this would be classified as a another snowmobile accident for the Minnesota
liberals..!!!