What is the fastest record speed of skating that registered in the human being ever?
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should boiled!
in my opinion it's maybe about 100-150 KMH...(even this is listen to
me too much fast!) ,and,how ever if you say,How could the skater
control himself in ~300 KMH???
if u have info aabout the record put here links.
thanks
Tal
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survive?".
Renaud-Roland Hubert
roller section...
Including picture of the record!
-- R2
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On 30 Oct 2001 10:07:19 -0800, tal...@zahav.net.il (']['@\_) wrote:
Scott Anderson
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> I seem to remember something about the guy using *metal* wheels...
If it's the German guy, I saw him once on a talk show with Ralf Schumacher
("you're nuts" "no, you're nuts"). Skates were ski boots with custom frames,
huge air scoops directing air onto the bearings. Don't know about the
wheels. He had a rack on the back of the Porsche that looked a bit like
triathlon bars on a bike, handgrips plus forearm trays and pad holding the
elbow. It's not just straight line speed, he also did a lap of the
Nordschleife (sp?) track behind the car, corners and everything. And he once
made a special pair of custom skates that he used to "skate" a roller
coaster, with several inverted sections.
Scott
C. Eric Nastav
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> There is a good article from SKF at http://r2hubert.free.fr in the
> roller section...
> Including picture of the record!
>
largest wheels you can get?
Eric N.
Renaud-Roland Hubert
I think it's not the number of wheels but the size of the plate that
make the difference. And for the size of the wheels I think smaller
whell are more stable but are going to burn faster :o)
R2
patinp...@voiladot.fr
>it interesting what is the fastest speed that skater can do..
>Tal
Anwser:
previously = 270 km/h
currently = 307 km/h
next step: 320 km/h ?
from:
http://www.esportbike.com/news/jul01/000726_01_fuchs.html
On Thursday the 19th of July 2001, German “Rollerblader” Dirk Auer set
a new World Record of 270.0 km/hr towed behind a motorcycle.
from :
http://www.skfsport.com/
Speed record on inline skates
Jörg Schläfli of Switzerland has set the 1998 world record for
high-speed inline skating while being pulled by a motorcycle.
Schläfli reached a top speed of 233.76 km/h. Schläfli's inline skates
from BAUER are equipped with SKF HighSpeed bearings.
His next goal? To clock 320 km/h while being pulled by a car. That
would beat the current record of 307 km/h.
PS:
email : patinpatine at voila dot fr
web : http://site.voila.fr/patinpatine
Tom Charbonneau
him "what is the fastest you have ever skated, on flat pavement, without
drafting?" He replied "47 mph".
Brad
Edward Dike, III
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endurance to accelerate up to that speed, if that is in fact what you are
implying. I don't think a cyclist could get up to that speed on his own.
ED3
Scott Anderson
> him "what is the fastest you have ever skated, on flat pavement, without
> drafting?" He replied "47 mph".
B.S. Maybe 47 km/h. With all deference to Chad, that would have to be flat
pavement ten feet past the bottom of a long descent. 47 mph is faster than
the best sprinters on bikes can do (track or road) and, if you compare
times, bikes are generally at least 20% faster than skates over a given
distance (100 m standing start notwithstanding).
Jim White
Chad's not a BS guy, IME, no need to be.
We're not hearing the whole story.
Tom Charbonneau
the question I asked him.
Scott Anderson
> Chad's not a BS guy, IME, no need to be.
> We're not hearing the whole story.
No, I expect there's been some miscommunication somewhere.
Edward Dike, III
| I'm not implying anything. I'm stating a direct quote of Chad's answer to
| the question I asked him.
|
|
tow; no down hill grade; no draft- could skate up to a speed of 47 MPH(75
kph)?
ED3
Scott Anderson
to
> | the question I asked him.
> |
> Do you believe a skater, in a neutral environment- that is: no tailwind;
no
> tow; no down hill grade; no draft- could skate up to a speed of 47 MPH(75
> kph)?
> ED3
If you answered yes, I have some property in Florida you might be interested
in buying.
GTi
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>implying. I don't think a cyclist could get up to that speed on his own.
>ED3
A professional track cyclist can reach up to over 60 mph. Personally,
some years ago I reached 47 mph on track, and over 70 mph (!!!) down
the Stelvio, in Italy.
Scott Anderson
> the question I asked him.
I finally got around to doing some math here...
The current world record 300 m standing start is a bit under 25 seconds.
Subtract a couple of seconds start allowance and you get 23 seconds for a
flying 300 m. That works out to 47 km/h. So anyone's maximum speed on
inlines (flat, no wind, unpaced etc.) being 47 KM/H makes sense, 47 MPH
most certainly does not. (With allowances for a straight run at the finish
and a leadout and all that, maybe 50 km/h is possible, but that's not really
the point.)
Scott Anderson
> >ED3
>
> A professional track cyclist can reach up to over 60 mph. Personally,
> some years ago I reached 47 mph on track, and over 70 mph (!!!) down
> the Stelvio, in Italy.
Bullshit. The world record for a flying 200 m is just under 10 seconds (Curt
Harnett, at altitude). A 10 second 200 works out to 72 km/h, which is about
43 mph. So if you reached 47 mph on the track you were either the greatest
undiscovered potential world champion sprinter of all time or you were
behind a motorcycle (violating the original criteria of unpaced) or riding a
streamliner (also violating the original criteria - non-standard bike).
Descending at 70 mph doesn't count. We were talking about level roads.
heather halvorson
Scott Anderson wrote:
>
>
> The current world record 300 m standing start is a bit under 25 seconds.
> Subtract a couple of seconds start allowance and you get 23 seconds for a
> flying 300 m. That works out to 47 km/h. So anyone's maximum speed on
> inlines (flat, no wind, unpaced etc.) being 47 KM/H makes sense, 47 MPH
> most certainly does not.
i was wondering if maybe there was some confusion over mph vs km/h.
thank you, scott.
GTi
<scott.a...@berlin.deNOSPAM> wrote:
>undiscovered potential world champion sprinter of all time or you were
>behind a motorcycle (violating the original criteria of unpaced) or riding
>streamliner (also violating the original criteria - non-standard bike).
I was riding an aerodynamic bycicle.
However, John Seibert reached 62 mph (99.68 km/h) in Colorado, USA, in
october 1980.
I would like to remember you that the record behind a motorbike is 150
mph!
>Descending at 70 mph doesn't count. We were talking about level roads.
That was just to bring more parameters. An italian cycler reached
over 200 km/h down the "chilometro lanciato" on snow!!! (riding a
bycicle!)
Scott Anderson
well, the truth comes out
> However, John Seibert reached 62 mph (99.68 km/h) in Colorado, USA, in
> october 1980.
not on an normal bike he didn't. I think the current HPV sprint record is
now closer to 80 mph.
> I would like to remember you that the record behind a motorbike is 150
> mph!
...and the pace vehicle had a huge fairing. the big stayer bikes on the
track max out at about 90 km/h.
fun/freakish speed records aside, the discussion was about speeds possible
on a standard (UCI legal) bike versus speeds possible on skates, so claiming
to have gone 47 mph while failing to mention that the bike was a streamliner
is missing the point in a big way
Scott
Ilan Vardi
ED3 is correct. The world record for flying 200 meters on a "normal"
bicycle (not a recumbent) is 9.865 seconds, Curt Harnett,
Cali (Bogota) Columbia, 1995. This is 72.985 kph, so about 44 mph.
Note that this record was established at high altitude, about 10,000
feet,
and that the flying 200 meters is done on a banked track, so that the
cyclist can increase his maximum speed by accelerating up to (flat
ground)maximum speed on the top of the track and
going downhill at the beginning
of his timed effort. In other words, this record is not truly on flat
pavement
in the sense that one is aided by gravity.
Note further that the turn slows you
down, though it's unclear which effect is greater. Also, because
the rider does not follow the line at which the distance is measured,
at the bottom of the track, he is timed for a distance which is
slightly
greater than 200 meters.
By the way, this record was recently (October) challenged by the
French national
team at an even higher altitude in Bolivia. I believe that world
champion Laurent Gane failed to beat this mark.
The drafting world record is done behind a moving
truck on the Boneville Salt flats, Utah, USA. In 1985 John Howard
introduced this technique and managed 152 mph. In 1995, fifty year old
Fred Rompelberg of the Netherlands managed to do this at 166.9 mph.
In John Howard's, case, he had to be towed to 50mph because he did
not have gearing that could be used below that speed. In this sense,
it is not a "pure" drafting record.
-ilan
Ilan Vardi
> times, bikes are generally at least 20% faster than skates over a given
> distance (100 m standing start notwithstanding).
I recall a race between cyclist Steve Hegg (pursuit gold medal
1984 Olympics, tested positive for caffeine in 1988, 16th in 1996
Olympic time trial) and an inline skater in about 1993 on the
occasion of the US professional cycling championships in Philadelphia,
PA,
in which a street sprint tournament is held in the days preceding the
road race. I think that the idea was to have an exhibition round
with an inline skater.
I don't recall who was skating but he definitely won the race. After
losing the race, Hegg
realized he should use an easier gear and won a second race. I'm not
sure how he managed to convince the organisers to let him have a
second
chance, I thought it was unfair, and that he should have thought about
such things before the race.
-ilan
Dirk Rittersbusch
> The current world record 300 m standing start is a bit under 25 seconds.
> Subtract a couple of seconds start allowance and you get 23 seconds for a
> flying 300 m. That works out to 47 km/h. So anyone's maximum speed on
> inlines (flat, no wind, unpaced etc.) being 47 KM/H makes sense, 47 MPH
> most certainly does not.
I am sorry to correct your math, Scott. You assume that 2 seconds is
enough for an inline skater to achieve 47 km/h. It is not. Even a
Porsche would have to exert itself to achieve it (a strong Porsche,
e.g. a Turbo, needs ~ 5 seconds to achieve 100 km/h, _standing_
start!!).
So your flying start inline skater has a speed clearly below 47 km/h
at start. Your math calculates the AVERAGE speed of 300 m in 23
seconds. For the skater to achieve this average speed with less than
47 km/h in the beginning, he must be clearly faster than 47 km/h in
the end. So I think that 47 mph for an inline skater are quite
possible although this appears very, very fast to me, too.
Consider the skater愀 standing start: Initial speed = 0, final speed
after 300 m = ???, average speed = 43.2 km/h. This makes it obvious
that he must finish with a speed clearly above 43,2 km/h.
Again, sorry, but I think I had to clear the discussion.
Dirk
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Scott Anderson
of me. How embarrassing.
What I meant by "start allowance", though, is the time difference between a
standing start lap and a flying start lap,
not the time needed to reach maximum speed. How I came up with 2 seconds is
that in track pursuit cycling we generally factored in a 3 to 4 second
start allowance, and we know that skates are quicker off the line than
bikes, so 2 seconds as a reasonable estimate for the start allowance, and 47
km/h as the average speed for a 23 second flying 300 m.
However, you are right that the end velocity is higher than the average.
Here's a back of the envelope calculation:
assume constant (linear) acceleration to maximum speed
t1 = acceleration time
t2 = time at max speed
t1 + t2 = total time = 25 seconds
d = distance = 300 m
vm = maximum velocity
0.5(t1)(vm) + (t2)(vm) = d
assume t1 = 10 seconds, t2 = 15 seconds
(reasoning: track & field sprinters reach top speed in about 5 seconds,
kilometre cyclists in about 15 seconds, so we can estimate 10 seconds for a
skater)
then 0.5(10s)(vm) + (15 s)(vm) = 300 m
vm = 15 m/s = 54 km/h
So, as a rough guess, a world-class skater can hit mid-fifties in a sprint.
47 mph is still ludicrous, as common sense would suggest.
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Dirk Rittersbusch
be proud of you again! ;-)
Good job, Scott!
Dirk
Peter van der Sluis
Ilan Vardi schreef:
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> > times, bikes are generally at least 20% faster than skates over a given
> > distance (100 m standing start notwithstanding).
Since I believe ice speed skating is closer related to inlining than
cycling allow me to add some figures of speed on skates on the 400m
ovals.
In the past years japanese sprint skater Hiroyashi Shimizu repeatedly
proved to be the world's fastest (and officially registered) ice speed
skater. Here are some facts:
-during World Cup championships earlier this year Shimizu set a new
500m world record at the Salt Lake City olympic indoor oval.
1st 100 meters from standing start: 9.45 sec. = 38.094 Kph/23.676 Mph
Remaining 400m: 24.87 sec. = 57.901 Kph/35.985 Mph
Full 500m race: 34.32 sec. = 52.447 Kph/32.596 Mph
Back in '99 Hiroyashu Shimizu skated the fastest first 100 meters ever
in a 500m ice race on the Calgary olympic oval in an incredible 9.41
secs. = 38.257 Kph/23.776 Mph
The japanese sprinter then fell in the first turn...
The long distances...
In November last year dutch LD specialist Gianni Romme set a new 10k
world record on the lowland Thialf oval in Heerenveen, The Netherlands;
13:03.40 = 45.959 Kph/28.563 Mph
Best 10k american Derek Parra: 13:55.23 = 43.101 Kph/26.788 Mph
Peter van der Sluis
Pijnacker, The Netherlands
Brett & Sandra McCormack
are around 10 seconds for the first 100m the remaining 15 -17 seconds will
be for the 200m flying..will leave the math to you guys to get the speeds.
Cheers
Brett
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