I used to play ice hockey for almost 8 years
Now I'm getting into the inline skating and I can't reproduce hockey
stop on the asphalt with inline skates. I simply can't get over it.
I'm afraid of being thrown off my wheels. Is it possible anyway?
If it is, then probably the asphalt should be super smooth and hard
Also the wheels, probably the harder the better. But then again you
loose the grip.
Cheers
Serge
Yes
>If it is, then probably the asphalt should be super smooth and hard
>Also the wheels, probably the harder the better. But then again you
>loose the grip.
Yes again. To learn the hockey stop you are advised by me anyways to start on
smooth surfaces(like a rink) . It might help to relearn it in a different way.
Try doing a paralell or slalom turn with tighter and tighter radius till y ou
get close to a hockey stop and then try a full on hockey stop. That is how
several other posters have described the progression as well.. Eventually you
should be able to hockey stop on more/most surfaces.Although, again depending
on wheel/surface friction etc...(forget cobblestone) you will have more or less
success.
>
>Cheers
>
>Serge
>
>
>
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"Serge" <kor...@mail.ru> wrote in message
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You can't do an Ice hockey stop on Inlines. The stop they do is a
bastardized version of the ice stop, but not really the same, cause
you can't slide sideways on the wheels and control the rate of slide
like you can on the edges of your ice blades. A good ice hockey skater
and do a hockey stop and stop write next to a mark every time, with
the edge of their skate against the mark. You can't do that on
Inlines.
Bob
Hi Serge,
Go check out this website if you want to see some amazing stopping videos:
http://www.inlineskate.fr.st/
Here's a hockey stop from the same site:
http://funky.man.free.fr/slides/tricks/parallel%200.MPG
Cheers,
Mike.
"Mike van Erp" <mikevan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Where did this come from? The rate of stopping is irrelevant to the
original post. Serge's question was "Is it possible anyway?", and
this video shows that it is. OK, how quickly you can stop is
important to a hockey player, but all the players in a particular game
will be under the same grip limitations. It's obvious that an inline
hockey stop will never be as controlled or as powerful as an ice
hockey stop.
Secondly, what has the cement got to do with it? IMO the cement is
just where he happened to finish the last couple of inches of his
stop. If you had looked at some of the other videos on Sebastien's
site, there's further proof that the cement is irrelevant.
No offence, but your post smacks of sour grapes. IMO Sebastien
Laffargue is an exceptional skater and can probably out-skate nearly
everyone in this group in his skill area. When he first contacted me
and told me about his videos a few months ago, I was blown away by his
videos.
Cheers,
Mike.
In a slide stop, two stopping forces are at work:
One is the opposing force of friction due to sliding.
The other is the opposing force of your leg thrust as you turn your skates
parallel to direction you are traveling.
The first is by far the dominant force on ice and can be used with excellent
control. On inlines, except on special surfaces, the force of sliding
friction is difficult to control. That is why so many inline stops slide on
one skate while the second provides stability.
The second force (leg thrust) is relatively more important on inlines. It
slows you down w/o sliding and by doing a few linked turns you can come to a
stop w/o sliding at all. This is the best way to control your speed down
hills: with closely linked turns (where you enter the turn with knees bent,
but extend the legs as you come out of the turn, thus slowing you down at
every turn).
I have not seen this explanation anywhere else, but I am a pretty good
inline skate and a pretty good physicist, and I think this is a correct
analysis.
Comments?
"Serge" <kor...@mail.ru> wrote in message
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I rockered my skates and can turn much sharper now
But I still don't slide. Need more practice probably
I also noticed this sliding reflex that comes from ice is the most
difficult to relearn or get rid of on inlines
Sergey
"Ronald Bruno" <rbr...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<z7oD8.138730$q8.14...@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
Practice on a nice, smooth surface with hard, small wheels. I used 56mm 90A
wheels initially on nearly perfect asphalt. You need all the help you can get
when first learning the stop. There are two main things to remember.
First, your feet are further apart compared to ice, more like 2-3 skate lengths
apart instead of just one skate length apart. This is because you don't have
the same grip compared to ice, so your feet would slide under your body too
quickly if you didn't compensate with a wider stance.
Second, on ice you lower your skate angle to dig into the stop. On inlines, it's
the opposite. Lowering your skate angle causes you to slide more. Thus, you need
to start sliding with a low skate angle and raise it up, which is just the
opposite of what you would have learned on ice.
Once you've got those two points, you'll be able to handle a hockey stop at
slow to mid speeds. At higher speeds, you'll need to be more careful of body
weight and the arc your feet sliding. Ie, you need a near 50/50 weighting on
each skate (compared to a 60/40 outside/inside leg weighting on ice), and your
feet should be in a shallow V shape pointed in your direction of motion.
After a while, you should be able to go to more normal wheels (I use 76mm 82A)
and your stop length will shorten dramatically. And unlike what other people
may say, if you know the surface, you'll be able to perfectly judge your
stopping distance with practice.
>Thanks everyone
>
>I rockered my skates and can turn much sharper now
>But I still don't slide. Need more practice probably
>I also noticed this sliding reflex that comes from ice is the most
>difficult to relearn or get rid of on inlines
>
You will also discover that if you skate exclusively on Inlines for a
few years and then go to an Ice Rink, and try to do a hockey stop from
a high speed, you will feel like it is difficult to convince yourself
to stop that way.
Bob
Well, I didn't say he couldn't skate, I commented on his stopping. Now
looking back on the video I am taken that it resembles a rail slide more
than a hockey slide. That is, he keeps the slide going for a long time like
a stunt skater whereas a hockey skater would come to a stop in the shortest
distance possible. So I suppose he is using rather hard wheels to lessen
the grip. This is the opposite of what hockey skaters would do. I think
that the hockey slide becomes more difficult as the grip increases. I know
that once the rink floor was freshly coated the guys had a very hard time
hockey sliding without falling over forward.
KillFrenzy
901Crew
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LOL
Does your mother know you talk like that?
ED3|
* What is a cess?
* What is spandex faggot?
* What is the meaning our you moniker?
* Are you awesome in inlines, or do just pretend to be?
Hopefully your answers will bring something to this thread other than your
usual poison. If not, you may be seen here, but you will be ignored by me
forever........
"KillFrenzy" <lmor...@midsouth.rr.com> wrote in message
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Bob
What do you expect them to do with it? Whatever else his post may have
been, it was not only not violative of most TOS, it was actually on
topic.
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Every time you buy or rent a DVD, a programmer is kicked where it counts.
Every time they kick a programmer, 1000 users are kicked too, and harder.
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>Hahahahaha, like my ISP has time to worry about everyones piddly complaints,
>get real. These are public unmoderated forums, last time i checked free
>speech was still a right for my people.
I have to say that I think Bob was wrong for netcopping you. Even
though I bitch about people being assholes in here more than anyone,
you certainly haven't done ANYTHING that warrants a complaint. Your
posts are all on-topic and within the bounds of what's reasonable
here...especially considering the attitude in this group lately.
Netcopping people is bad form.
Anyway, Bob has done the same thing...he's just more subtle...
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>What do you expect them to do with it? Whatever else his post may have
>been, it was not only not violative of most TOS, it was actually on
>topic.
Exactly...
As in, not a hockey stop. A hockey stop is sliding on the wheels.
> do not try that in free skates your lookin to
> fall if you do, if your not confident enough to try a cess then try a
> reverse t stop till you get the hang of it.
You mean powerslide? I find it ironic that you were so patronising when
you thought we had the name of a technique wrong....
> A spandex faggot is someone in
> here that doesnt know what the hell they are talking about,
So basically, you.
> it irritates me
> to see such bs about a sport flying thru the air, its pointless if you dont
> know the answer dont try and respond you are just discourageing people.
Whereas calling people faggots, pussies and spazzes it really
encouraging. I know you don't want skating to become popular, as you
see it your own little sport. You are just the dregs of the skating
world. Idiot kids who think a bad attitude and baggy clothes are what
makes a good skater. You are an embarassment to skating. You will no
doubt have moved onto hte next fashion by this time next year though, so
we can at least look forward to that.
> Also
> threatening to get an ISP cancelled does it really matter, there are
> hundreds to choose from, I would be back on in a matter or minutes, other
> than the fact that the pipe goin to my house is a t-3 line and trust me they
> wont cancel it, thats 350 bucks a month they are loosing per line to my
> house, so tell someone who cares. Thats all i got to say
I agree that saying you wil lose your account for 1 complaint is naive,
but if enough people complain, you will have your account pulled. Your
$350 is nothing to the problems rr would have if they get LARTed. They
could lose millions if no-one will propogate newsgroups from them. This
is why they have to take complaints seriously. Insult the wrong person
and it's bye bye ISP.
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>In article <4ul8eushgn3j1ta9p...@4ax.com>,
>Bob Cardone <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote:
>>Mr Kill Frensy. I think you are a moron and I decided to let your ISP
>>know how moronic I think you are by forwarding them your post.
>
>What do you expect them to do with it? Whatever else his post may have
>been, it was not only not violative of most TOS, it was actually on
>topic.
Well, they ( the ISP) disagree with your conclusion.
Bob
What did they say?
BTW, Bob, netcopping just reinforces your poor image here.
Bob Cardone wrote:
>
> Most ISP's respond to every complain they get. Happens all the time.
> Usually if the complain is a legitimate one, including things like
> message ID's etc, which the several I sent on you do, your account
> will soon be history.
>
i dislike this. this is usenet- why are we trying to censor someone?
sure, i censor people myself by leaving their posts unread, but i don't
like how this is playing out.
heather
: Bob Cardone wrote:
:>
:> Most ISP's respond to every complain they get. Happens all the time.
:> Usually if the complain is a legitimate one, including things like
:> message ID's etc, which the several I sent on you do, your account
:> will soon be history.
:>
: i dislike this. this is usenet- why are we trying to censor someone?
Hmm, maybe because the poster used some obscene and offensive language in
his post?
Exactly and some kids read this newsgroup and I think language like
that is totally inappropriate. You notice, when I mentioned that his
ISP was informed, his language went though a remarkable and sudden
transformation.
Bob
>What did they say?
>
>BTW, Bob, netcopping just reinforces your poor image here.
>
>
>
Russotto,
If you think my image is bad, then I must be doing something right.
Bob
if this group is going to become a nursery, i'm leaving. (although
instead of leaving, i'll probably hypocritically lurk, knowing my patterns.)
have fun,
heather
Sorry you feel that way. I thought I had read somewhere that you were
a mom. I therefore am a bit surprised that exposing young kids that
are interested in Inline skating, to the language that we are
discussing in the couple of posts by Mr Frenzy, you feel is acceptable
and those type of posts shouldn't be discouraged according to your
comments. . ( I happen to know several young Rollerhockey players
that play in a local league as well as some of their teammates, that
lurk on this newsgroup from time to time and they are ages 7-10. )
Oh well, different strokes for different folks.
Bob
>Sorry you feel that way. I thought I had read somewhere that you were
>a mom. I therefore am a bit surprised that exposing young kids that
>are interested in Inline skating, to the language that we are
>discussing in the couple of posts by Mr Frenzy, you feel is acceptable
>and those type of posts shouldn't be discouraged according to your
>comments. . ( I happen to know several young Rollerhockey players
>that play in a local league as well as some of their teammates, that
>lurk on this newsgroup from time to time and they are ages 7-10. )
>Oh well, different strokes for different folks.
Congrats Bob, you are the first person I am ever going to killfile. I
have never killfiled anyone (even johns) but your behavior is
absoloutly ridiculous. I can't believe you netcopped him for that.
Plenty of other people swear in this group, and you just decided to
pick on him for some reason. You are so full of it Bob, you have the
worst, meanest, most unproductive attitude of almost anyone in this
group and yet you decide to pick on him. There is NOTHING ANYWHERE
that regulates the language you can use on USENET. I have no idea why
you decided to pick on him, but you have really gone too far this
time.
I will be sending email to his ISP to attempt to correct the damage
that you have attempted to cause. Although, I am absoloutly positive
that they are not going to take any action because he has done nothing
wrong.
Goodbye Bob.
*PLONK*
Could you please provide exact links? I was unable to find any videos of
you by searching the sites or domains skatepile.com and dbmag.com for
"killfrenzy" with Google.
--
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>if this group is going to become a nursery, i'm leaving. (although
>instead of leaving, i'll probably hypocritically lurk, knowing my patterns.)
His behavior has gone from "crusty curmudgeon" to totally
unreasonable. I can't believe that he did this...he was TOTALLY out
of line. Yes, KillFrenzy definitely did not enter this group on the
best of terms, but netcopping him was WAY out of line. That's
someones internet access he's messing with. Does he honestly believe
that he is "protecting children" with this? Has he not seen the rest
of what is available on USENET? Any responsible parent who doesn't
want their kid seeing content as bad as killfrenzy's post should NEVER
be allowing their kid to read USENET...plain and simple. I think Bob
has lost his mind...
I firmly believe that Bob has done as much to contribute to this
group's problems as any of the regs. He has been in the flamewars, he
shirks reasonable discussion to flame people...his behavior is no
better than anyone elses and yet he pulls this.
>Goodbye Bob.
>
>*PLONK*
>
Goodbye Endus,
Have a nice day :)
Bob
Am I to believe you honestly don't know that there are inline hockey
skates? Either this is a troll, or you are even less informed than it
first appeared. If you want to know more, find a hockey club and ask
them about the skates they use.
> and i have been
> skateing for 9 years now, feel free to look at some of my comp videos on
> skatepile.com, or dbmag.com you dont know me or my sport
9 years? So what? If you want a pissing contest I can guarantee that I
will win. There are others on here who've been around longer than me,
but I was posting on alt.skate 8 years ago, while Chris Edwards and Arlo
were still coming up with the first designs for grind plates and
removing wheels to make grind space...
> so before you try
> to come up with witty comebacks think about what your complaining about
> first cause now you just look like a hippocrite.
Please point out any hypocrisy in my posts. You don't know what you are
talking about and I pointed it out. Maybe you know a small amount about
aggressive skating, but you are severely lacking in knowledge of other
skating disciplines.
If you notice Heather, we are not interested in censorship. If this
were the case, we would have complained about the "villiage idiot" a
long time ago. I would never complain to an ISP about someone because
they had a different point of view to mine. I do not however feel that
simply coming in here and shouting off abuse is appropriate.
Duncan Clarke wrote:
>
> If you notice Heather, we are not interested in censorship. If this
> were the case, we would have complained about the "villiage idiot" a
> long time ago. I would never complain to an ISP about someone because
> they had a different point of view to mine. I do not however feel that
> simply coming in here and shouting off abuse is appropriate.
i'm not saying whether or not he's been acting appropriately.
however, having someone's internet access canceled because he swears or
is rude is nothing BUT censorship. you don't like how he talks or his
attitude so you take away his ability to "publish".
sorry, we all have our pet peeves, and this is one of mine.
i didn't notice anyone complaining a year or two ago when this post was made:
http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=9arcqs4d9nkso1ukpg6v7usodmkpi2j9g7%404ax.com
Better yet--try fucking a woman why she has no lubrication (something
you are
probably used to, as no woman could possibly get wet over someone so stupid)
and notice how frictionless her pussy is. (Not!)
so, are we going to start complaining to isp's every time a post like
this is made?
heather, spandex faggot
heather halvorson wrote:
>
> you don't like how he talks or his
> attitude so you take away his ability to "publish".
i should be more clear. i didn't mean "you" specifically, duncan. i
meant, "you" in the general sense. i guess i could get even more stuffy
and start using the pronoun "one".
"one doesn't like how he talks or his attitude so one takes away his
ability to 'publish'".
sorry to sound like a queen bitch,
heather
KillFrenzy
901Crew
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"Duncan Clarke" <dun...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
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Please Kill, I send all my club members to this newsgroup including young
members. Would you please stop the bad language! If the parents of the young
teens see your posts, they will stop them from comming here to the newsgroup.
There is much to be learned about skating technique and common sense (if one
can learn to ignore the flames). Thanks!
"Duncan Clarke" <dun...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
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pjb, please do not be drawn into attacking the skating discipline or
style just because one of its proponents is clueless.
I agree that there are similarities, but they are not the same thing,
which is what you claimed. To claim they are is like claiming a
frontside grind is the same as a royale...
> And this is a skating forum anything related
> to skating is on topic regardless of what thread it is in.
Though I agree that cess slides (and all aggressive skating) is on
topic, I do not think your attack/response was appropriate.
Bob Cardone wrote:
>
> Sorry you feel that way. I thought I had read somewhere that you were
> a mom. I therefore am a bit surprised that exposing young kids that
> are interested in Inline skating, to the language that we are
> discussing in the couple of posts by Mr Frenzy, you feel is acceptable
> and those type of posts shouldn't be discouraged according to your
> comments. . ( I happen to know several young Rollerhockey players
> that play in a local league as well as some of their teammates, that
> lurk on this newsgroup from time to time and they are ages 7-10. )
> Oh well, different strokes for different folks.
>
i'm not as cranky as i was before, but we'll just have to agree to
disagree, as the saying goes.
as to what kind of mother i am, for mother's day my son gave me a card
that says-
"i looked on the internet to find a way to say 'happy mother's day' to
someone as sweet as you-
you'd be fairly amazed at what comes up when you search for 'sweet mamas'"
i thought it was funny.
heather
This is what my other threads have been about, if you dont know what your
talking about then dont speak. Your only going to annoy and frustrate
people.
KillFrenzy
"Duncan Clarke" <dun...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
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Well, fuck them if they don't like it. However, I rather suspect
they've heard it all before.
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Every time you buy or rent a DVD, a programmer is kicked where it counts.
Every time they kick a programmer, 1000 users are kicked too, and harder.
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This is not a joke, not an exaggeration. This is real.
http://www.cryptome.org/broadbandits.htm
That's why there are competitions, get different ISPs if you don't like the
EULA of it.
>
> Bob