suggestions on inline skates for an ice skater?
Terry Lin
i'm a newcomer to the world of inline skating. i've been ice skating quite
a bit over the last few months (last time i skated was when i was a little
kid) i've been really working hard on performing smooth crossovers... now
that winter has ended and most ice rinks are closing, i'd like to start
skating on dry land.
my question is what kind of skates should i buy? i'm quite used to ice
skating and i would like to get a pair of inline skates that mimic the same
feel. i really hope that by practicing crossovers on dry land, they will
also improve my crossovers on ice. are there any inline skates out there
that would do the trick?
thanks in advance,
terry
johns
B Fuhrmann
> i'm a newcomer to the world of inline skating. i've been ice skating
quite
> a bit over the last few months (last time i skated was when i was a little
> kid) i've been really working hard on performing smooth crossovers... now
> that winter has ended and most ice rinks are closing, i'd like to start
> skating on dry land.
>
> my question is what kind of skates should i buy? i'm quite used to ice
> skating and i would like to get a pair of inline skates that mimic the
same
> feel. i really hope that by practicing crossovers on dry land, they will
I see that johns has made his usual PIC skates are good for everything
comment. If you watch the group for a while, you will find that he is
pretty much ignorant of anything related to inline skates.
PIC skates are a very specialized skate that mimics the ability of figure
skates for jumps and spins. I didn't see that as part of your question.
You didn't say what kind of ice skates you want to mimic.
No inline skate will exactly mimic an ice skate because of the difference in
the way they grip.
If you are looking for the maneuverability of a curved skate like figure or
hockey, a recreation skate that can be rockered will give you more of that
feel.
Rockering is moving the wheels out of a straight line so that only two
touch the ground
at a time. Recreation and fitness skates come with the wheels set up
"flat" as their
normal state.
Some skates have adjustments that allow you to shift the wheels to rocker
them.
The difference between recreational and fitness skates is small. It is
assumed that
fitness skaters will be skating longer distances on trails or other
places and not spending
most of their time on doing tight loops and turns. Most fitness skates
cannot be rockered.
If you are looking for something that behaves like a "racing" skate, a rec
or fitness skate will have behave closer to it.
If you want the feel of the length of a long blade, a 5 wheel fitness skate
will add the length to the flat blade.
If your skates have low cut racing boots, the upper end fitness skates have
a shorter boot than the average skate.
If you have a racing boot with a replaceable blade, you can buy a 4 or 5
wheel frame to replace the blade.
Motorblade
almost said "Here comes Johns hoppin down the picskate trail, hippity hoppity
easters on its way." sorry stupid joke number 500023(I keep them numbered just
for such occasions)
johns
> I see that johns has made his usual PIC skates are good for everything
> comment. If you watch the group for a while, you will find that he is
> pretty much ignorant of anything related to inline skates.
Except ... I outskate these bums every which way to Sunday.
> PIC skates are a very specialized skate that mimics the ability of figure
> skates for jumps and spins. I didn't see that as part of your question.
It didn't have to be part of his/her question. He/she's an ice skater
wanting to cross train on inlines.
> No inline skate will exactly mimic an ice skate because of the difference
in
> the way they grip.
Except PicFrames grip better than ice skates for basic stroking.
I run 8s much faster on the Pics than on my Riedells.
> If you are looking for the maneuverability of a curved skate like figure
or
> hockey, a recreation skate that can be rockered will give you more of that
> feel.
No it won't. The stupid toe-wheel on recreation inlines is
too far forward, and the heel wheel is too far up under the skate.
You'll break your neck trying to run 8s on that crap.
johns
johns
> That was an excellent digest of info Mr Fuhrmann.
Not if "Terry" is a girl.
johns
Motorblade
>
>Not if "Terry" is a girl.
>
>johns
>
>
What???
lower center of gravity er some esoteric reason
"fritz"
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HREF="http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2001-05-11/xtra_featu
re4.html">The Austin Chronicle Features: A Life on Wheels</A>
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B Fuhrmann
> >> That was an excellent digest of info Mr Fuhrmann.
> >johns wrote
> >Not if "Terry" is a girl.
"Motorblade" wrote ...
> What???
> lower center of gravity er some esoteric reason
He probably hasn't caught on yet that women might want to do some other kind
of skating than figure.
Get a clue johns, women play hockey and race.
Some of them even work for a living. This isn't the 1930s anymore.
Matthew Russotto
johns <sna...@uidaho.edu> wrote:
>
>> I see that johns has made his usual PIC skates are good for everything
>> comment. If you watch the group for a while, you will find that he is
>> pretty much ignorant of anything related to inline skates.
>
>Except ... I outskate these bums every which way to Sunday.
Put up or shut up. There are plenty of upcoming events where you can
prove your superiority in all manners of skating... planning to come to
any of them?
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrus...@speakeasy.net
=====
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of justice is no virtue."
Phil Earnhardt
>> I see that johns has made his usual PIC skates are good for everything
>> comment. If you watch the group for a while, you will find that he is
>> pretty much ignorant of anything related to inline skates.
>
>Except ... I outskate these bums every which way to Sunday.
You also told us that you don't participate in the speed roller
sessions. Outskating the inline speedskaters is rather tough if you
don't actually participate in their sessions.
Snakenberg: which is it? Do you participate in the local speed
sessions or do you avoid them?
>johns
--phil
Ilan Vardi
>>
> Snakenberg: which is it? Do you participate in the local speed
> sessions or do you avoid them?
I was practicing my skating at the Palais Royal in Paris, which is
the most popular place for slalom people, and at some point a person
showed up with what may have been PIC skates. In particular, these
skates
had 3 wheels in line (3 on each skate, that is) and at the front was a
plug
that looked like a door stop, or what you might find at the front of
a quad skate. Anyway, the guy was skating around on his own and pretty
much staying out of the way. At some point, I went up to him with the
intention of asking him if he was johns, but he avoided even looking
at me, and this
foiled my attempt at communication. Later on, he started doing figure
skating type jumps.
> >johns
>
> --phil
-ilan
Edward Dike, III
Ilan Vardi <il...@tonyaharding.org> wrote in message
news:6c8faec2.02032...@posting.google.com...
I don't believe johns skates; on either continent.
ED3
Bob Cardone
Mike van Erp
As with others on this group, I'd suggest ignoring any advice Johns
gives, as most of the skaters here don't rate what he writes here on
the newsgroup.
Cheers,
Mike.
Ilan Vardi
>
> Maybe he thought you were trying to "pick him up"
Well, he was a figure skater... Actually, I did approach a tourist
in that location a couple of months ago and he started walking away fast
desperately trying to avoid me. However, I approached this person
because he was a graduate student I knew at Stanford 10 years ago.
He finally stopped to talk to me when I uttered his complete name.
He told me that he had thought I was a pan handler, which struck me as
odd. I've never imagined someone begging for money on skates. However,
he now lives in Missouri.
-ilan
Phil Earnhardt
>http://www.picskate.com/
>
>johns
I closely read the OP's OP. He said nothing about figure skating. He
talked about mastering crossover turns, something done in all skating
discoplines.
Unless the OP is actually interested in figure skating, such skates
would be an expensive waste.
--phil
Phil Earnhardt
>my question is what kind of skates should i buy? i'm quite used to ice
>skating and i would like to get a pair of inline skates that mimic the same
>feel. i really hope that by practicing crossovers on dry land, they will
>also improve my crossovers on ice. are there any inline skates out there
>that would do the trick?
You didn't really say what kind of skating discipline you're
interested in. All kinds of skaters do crossover turns. If you have --
and like -- a particular kind of skate on ice, you may want to get
that same kind of inline skate. There are inline hockey skates, speed
skates, and figure skates.
If you don't have a strong preference, get an inline "recreational"
skate. Something from the major lines of Rollerblade/K2/Solomon should
do just fine. The skate to get is one that fits your foot well.
A couple of recommendations about mastering skills:
1. Remember that you can take your inlines to roller skating rinks. It
used to be that inlines had protruding bolts that could damage a rink
floor if you fell/dragged them a particular way. No more. Skating
rinks are happy to have you spend your money and skate on inlines.
Depending on the rink, they may require that you remove your inline
brake before skating.
IMHO, roller skating rinks are mondo fun. If you're at a "normal"
skating session. make sure you do all the goofy activities. They're
great for expanding your sense of play, which is one of the reasons
you put on skates in the first place.
Seek out adult rink sessions in your area. There may not be any, or
they may be massively popular at your rink.
If you travel, take your skates with you. There are some very cool
skating rinks out there like the Oaks Skating Rink in Portland, OR (
http://www.oakspark.com/skating.html ). These guys have a Wurlitzer
pipe organ at the rink and have several live organ music sessions
every week. There's a link on the above URL for skating rinks in the
US.
2. Consider taking lessons either at a rink or with an instructor. You
can look up current IISA instructors at www.iisa.org .
3. When you get back on the ice, consider taking lessons there, too.
The greatest skating lessons I ever took were on ice, and the best
lesson the instructor taught us was how to fall. Fear is the
mind-killer. Once you get a handle on falling, you can start to deal
powerfully with all the other skills to learn on skates.
>thanks in advance,
>terry
Have fun!
--phil
dcrts
>
> my question is what kind of skates should i buy? i'm quite used to ice
> skating and i would like to get a pair of inline skates that mimic the same
> feel. i really hope that by practicing crossovers on dry land, they will
> also improve my crossovers on ice. are there any inline skates out there
> that would do the trick?
It's unfortunate that Johns has started another "Johns v. the world"
debacle, because he is right, at least up to a point. Perhaps he should
have been a bit more informative in the first place rather than just
posting a URL. If you want a pair of skates which feel most like ice
skates, then you should definitely look at PIC skates. Certainly this is
true if you are using figure skates on ice. If you are using hockey
skates then ordinary inlines may be OK, though they will feel quite a
bit different from ice skates. Although PIC skates can be used for jumps
and spins, even with less advanced techniques their feel is so much
closer to figure skates on ice that they may well be worth getting. This
is definitely the case for 3-turns and the like, and if by crossovers
you mean the figure skating ones rather than hockey ones then I would
recommend using PIC skates because otherwise going back to ice will be
difficult.
I got PIC skates for pretty much exactly the same reason as you - our
open air ice rink is closing in a couple of weeks. I took them out for
the third time yesterday and already I'm doing tons of stuff that I
could do on ice but that I couldn't do properly on ordinary inlines. And
I'm gong again this afternoon. Yippee!
Mike van Erp
> It's unfortunate that Johns has started another "Johns v. the world"
> debacle, because he is right, at least up to a point. Perhaps he should
> have been a bit more informative in the first place rather than just
> posting a URL. If you want a pair of skates which feel most like ice
> skates, then you should definitely look at PIC skates. Certainly this is
> true if you are using figure skates on ice. If you are using hockey
> skates then ordinary inlines may be OK, though they will feel quite a
> bit different from ice skates. Although PIC skates can be used for jumps
> and spins, even with less advanced techniques their feel is so much
> closer to figure skates on ice that they may well be worth getting. This
> is definitely the case for 3-turns and the like, and if by crossovers
> you mean the figure skating ones rather than hockey ones then I would
> recommend using PIC skates because otherwise going back to ice will be
> difficult.
Unfortunately it's not very often that Johns posts some sensible
advice. PIC skates might be the right answer for Terry only if Terry
is into figure skating and is prepared to spend quite a bit more than
on ordinary good quality rec inlines. What about if Terry uses hockey
skates or speed skates on the ice?
IMHO Johns advice here is wrong because he regularly purports that PIC
inlines are the only decent inlines around, and he hasn't taken into
account what Terry might actually need, what type of skating Terry is
into or wants to spend.
> I got PIC skates for pretty much exactly the same reason as you - our
> open air ice rink is closing in a couple of weeks. I took them out for
> the third time yesterday and already I'm doing tons of stuff that I
> could do on ice but that I couldn't do properly on ordinary inlines. And
> I'm gong again this afternoon. Yippee!
Sounds like you are having a lot of fun with them! Do you take them
into Hyde Park much? I wouldn't mind taking a look if you're around
sometime. I bet Asha would like to try some PIC skates!
Cheers,
Mike.
dcrts
>
> advice. PIC skates might be the right answer for Terry only if Terry
> is into figure skating and is prepared to spend quite a bit more than
> on ordinary good quality rec inlines. What about if Terry uses hockey
> skates or speed skates on the ice?
It's more debatable, but IMHO PIC skates behave more similarly to ice
hockey skates than do ordinary inlines. I used to skate on ice in hockey
skates. Alternatively, it may be possible to simulate the feel of ice
under hockey skates by really radically rockering a pair of inlines, I
know this was one approach I tried once and I did make some progress.
Anyhow, if Terry is keen to practise things like "figure-skating"
backward crossovers then PIC skates are definitely the ones which best
mimic ice skates (the question originally asked). Whether they are worth
the expense is another question.
> Sounds like you are having a lot of fun with them! Do you take them
> into Hyde Park much? I wouldn't mind taking a look if you're around
> sometime. I bet Asha would like to try some PIC skates!
Yes, I go to Hyde Park some week-ends. By the Serpentine.
Edward Dike, III
Nothing in the original post suggests he is practicing figure skating any
more than speed skating. I doubt PICs would feel anything like hockey
skates- the most common 'all around' ice skate
Given the PICs are as much a specialty item(perhaps even more so than speed
skates), either recommendation might well prove to be an expensive
disappointment for a recreational skater.
The responsible reply would have been to ask for more information before
making a recommendation; not simply taking the opportunity to air one's long
standing, and illogical prejudices to an unsuspecting novice.
You made an informed choice in getting the PICs and they seem to be working
well for you, but you can't make the same presumption given Terri's original
queries.
ED3
dcrts
> You made an informed choice in getting the PICs and they seem to be working
> well for you, but you can't make the same presumption given Terri's original
> queries.
And luckily I didn't make the same presumption. That's why my post was
full of "if"s.
Edward Dike, III
"...If you want a pair of skates which feel most like ice
skates, then you should definitely look at PIC skates. Certainly this is
true if you are using figure skates on ice..."
Given your endorsement preceded your qualifying statement, and the fact that
johns's advice was involved, I felt the issue worthy of comment, for the
sake of the uninitiated.
;-)
All the best.
ED3
dcrts
Not sure I get this. "Looking at" PIC skates doesn't seem too
presumptive to me and both of those sentences have a got a big fat "if"
in them. Maybe johns made a presumption but I don't see that I did.
This group would be a bit healthier if people moved away from the "johns
is always completely wrong about everything" position and if johns
delivered a bit more explanation and justification and a bit less rash
assertion and opinion. As it happens, I suspect he is a pretty good
freestyle skater and some of what he says happens to be correct. I was
trying to introduce a bit of balance because I honestly believe that an
ice skater who wants to cross train should seriously consider PIC
skates, in spite of the fact that johns recommended them. To repeat
myself, I'm sure this is true for figure skates and I think it may well
be true even for hockey skates.
I don't really think what I posted was "worthy of comment". From this
end it feels more like somebody attacking me (for being "presumptive")
just because I happen to be agreeing with johns.
I'd have a bit more respect for this discussion if we heard more from
people who have skated on ice on figure skates and hockey skates and had
skated on PIC skates and on other inline skates. So far, most of the
testimony available to us comes from skaters who have been quoted on the
PIC skate site as saying how similar skating on PIC skates is to skating
on ice. From my experience, I tend to agree with them. To contradict
this view, it would be nice to hear, say, from somebody who had skated
on ice in hockey skates and could say "No, such-and-such inlines are
more like hockey skates on ice than are PIC skates." Any takers?
;-)
(whatever that means)
Bob Cardone
You will learn on this newsgroup that johns has figured a way ( no pun
intended) to get under the skin of most of the people that are
regulars on this newsgroup. He says things that he knows are going
to tick them off and then they always respond with john bashing that
goes on for a few days. It is always the same, never changes.... Same
comments from the same people. You just happened to get in the middle
of it this time. If johns said that the earth revolved around the
sun, there would be 2-3 people stating that he was nuts for making
that statement and it is just another example of how johns doesn't
know anything. Now if you even dare to state that maybe their is one
grain of truth in any of john's comments, you will also probably be
on the receiving end of some flaming....
It's all rather funny, and I suspect that johns is the one that is
laughing the hardest.... :)
Bob
It's all rather amusing. :)
Bob
dcrts
>
> know anything. Now if you even dare to state that maybe their is one
> grain of truth in any of john's comments, you will also probably be
> on the receiving end of some flaming....
Thanks, I thought that's what was happening. I suppose I'll know what to
expect next time.
Motorblade
If you ever make it to Austin , look me up, we should skate.
Motorblade
>well for you, but you can't make the same presumption given Terri's original
>queries.
>
>ED3
>
You could make that presumption, but to avoid excessive debate (if you knew how
this NG goes at it) you would label it PRESUMPTION #1 or something like that.
Motorblade
>
>If you ever make it to Austin , look me up, we should skate.
>
>
>"
Sorry , my newsreader posted this on the wrong thread. Its supposed to be in
the lightning thread.
Mike van Erp
> It's more debatable, but IMHO PIC skates behave more similarly to ice
> hockey skates than do ordinary inlines. I used to skate on ice in hockey
> skates.
Perhaps, but I suspect that inline hockey skates will be closer still.
I admittedly haven't skated on PIC frames, but have you skated on any
inline hockey skates? Particularly one of the Vapor series with the
rocker chassis?
You've also forgotten about the toe pick (stopper?) - that will be a
real pisser if Terry's used to hockey skates and is not familiar with
figure skates. What about protection from the puck and the feel and
fit of the hockey boot? That will only come with an inline hockey
boot and not PIC or indeed any other kind of inline skate.
> Alternatively, it may be possible to simulate the feel of ice
> under hockey skates by really radically rockering a pair of inlines, I
> know this was one approach I tried once and I did make some progress.
> Anyhow, if Terry is keen to practise things like "figure-skating"
> backward crossovers then PIC skates are definitely the ones which best
> mimic ice skates (the question originally asked). Whether they are worth
> the expense is another question.
We don't know exactly what Terry wants because his/her post wasn't
specific enough - you're making assumptions. Secondly, I'm not
convinced that PIC frames are closest to all types of ice skates as
you imply here, although I am convinced that they are closest to ice
figure skates. I think it's very unlikely that they will be nearly as
similar to ice hockey or speed skates.
If Terry's into figure skating, then I and probably everyone here
would agree that PIC frames are worth trying in terms of his/her
original request.
Cheers,
Mike.
Mike van Erp
> This group would be a bit healthier if people moved away from the "johns
> is always completely wrong about everything" position and if johns
> delivered a bit more explanation and justification and a bit less rash
> assertion and opinion. As it happens, I suspect he is a pretty good
> freestyle skater and some of what he says happens to be correct. I was
> trying to introduce a bit of balance because I honestly believe that an
> ice skater who wants to cross train should seriously consider PIC
> skates, in spite of the fact that johns recommended them. To repeat
> myself, I'm sure this is true for figure skates and I think it may well
> be true even for hockey skates.
I actually wrote that it's not very often that Johns posts sensible
advice, and not that he never does. I still maintain that Johns
immediate advice to look at PIC skates was wrong because he doesn't
know what Terry wants. It might be the right answer by chance.
> I don't really think what I posted was "worthy of comment". From this
> end it feels more like somebody attacking me (for being "presumptive")
> just because I happen to be agreeing with johns.
I'm not attacking you, I'm just pointing out what I think are flaws in
your argument. :)
> I'd have a bit more respect for this discussion if we heard more from
> people who have skated on ice on figure skates and hockey skates and had
> skated on PIC skates and on other inline skates. So far, most of the
> testimony available to us comes from skaters who have been quoted on the
> PIC skate site as saying how similar skating on PIC skates is to skating
> on ice. From my experience, I tend to agree with them. To contradict
> this view, it would be nice to hear, say, from somebody who had skated
> on ice in hockey skates and could say "No, such-and-such inlines are
> more like hockey skates on ice than are PIC skates." Any takers?
Yes, that would give us an expert opinion.
For you to suggest that PIC frames are most like both ice figure and
ice hockey skates is rather like me trying to suggest that in fact
inline hockey skates are more like both ice hockey skates and ice
figure skates than PIC skates. To me both of these are equally
improbable.
Cheers,
Mike.
Motorblade
>fit of the hockey boot? That will only come with an inline hockey
>boot and not PIC or indeed any other kind of inline skate.
minor minor point on my part but..
only might be a tad strident. There are a few skates that came close without
being hockey skates.old rb maxxumm laceup and old trs . Not really relevant
since you can't buy them.
Mike van Erp
> > What about protection from the puck and the feel and
> >fit of the hockey boot? That will only come with an inline hockey
> >boot and not PIC or indeed any other kind of inline skate.
>
> minor minor point on my part but..
>
> only might be a tad strident. There are a few skates that came close without
> being hockey skates.old rb maxxumm laceup and old trs . Not really relevant
> since you can't buy them.
>
>
> "fritz"
Fair enough. I should have said in terms of hockey skate properties
rather than just those two examples. With many hockey skates the
inline boot is very similar to the ice boot, and sometimes is exactly
the same. Can't get much closer than that!
Cheers,
Mike.
logic1
"in-group" sniping, trolling and flaming I'd say the original poster has
been scared off long ago.
I'm new to this group but so far I've seen alot of intelligent people who
seem to know alot about skating but because of pettiness and in-fighting
none of the information ever seems to get across effectively.
The whole point of a group is to educate people it's not a forum for penis
comparison, that's what people buy big cars for ;)
Way off topic but just my two cents.
.logic.
Bob Cardone
By the way, I tried the mod you suggested and it worked, so you were
correct. I got about 3-4mm of shift on the front of the frame
which allows enough for a slight supination. Now I am going to have
to tweak the frame to get it balanced perfectly. Will let you know
how I make out.
Bob
Phil Earnhardt
wrote:
>Not sure I get this. "Looking at" PIC skates doesn't seem too
>presumptive to me and both of those sentences have a got a big fat "if"
>in them. Maybe johns made a presumption but I don't see that I did.
>
>This group would be a bit healthier if people moved away from the "johns
>is always completely wrong about everything" position
dcrts: you did just make a presumption.
I looked over the postings in this thread. Nobody at all ever said
"johns is completely wrong about everything". I never ever saw those
words from anyone. Neither I nor Bill uttered words even remotely
close to that.
The closest anyone came was a short posting from Mike recommending
that people ignore the advice from Snakenberg:
On 22 Mar 2002 16:50:05 -0800, mikevan...@hotmail.com (Mike van
Erp) wrote:
>As with others on this group, I'd suggest ignoring any advice Johns
>gives, as most of the skaters here don't rate what he writes here on
>the newsgroup.
But that's not saying what you claimed we're saying either!
The problem with John's advice is that some of it is good and some of
it is bad. He does an excellent job hiding the bad in with the good.
At a cursory glance, his postings seemingly have an overall ring of
truth.
Why someone would want to get good at hiding good advice in the bad
advice is a mystery to me.
> and if johns
>delivered a bit more explanation and justification and a bit less rash
>assertion and opinion.
Hear, hear.
John: are you willing to do this?
> As it happens, I suspect he is a pretty good
>freestyle skater and some of what he says happens to be correct. I was
>trying to introduce a bit of balance because I honestly believe that an
>ice skater who wants to cross train should seriously consider PIC
>skates, in spite of the fact that johns recommended them. To repeat
>myself, I'm sure this is true for figure skates and I think it may well
>be true even for hockey skates.
Picskate themselves does not represent the skate as good for inline
hockey. See http://www.picskate.com/about.htm . They call it good for
freestyle, artistic, and recreational skating. Speedskating and hockey
are missing from that list.
Do you know whether or not hockey players are actually using the
Picskate for inline hockey?
If it were easy for people to try Picskates, then more people could
indeed give them a try. If my local rink had them in their rental
stock or if Picskate had demos, I'd give them a try. But I think it's
presuming an awful lot for you to think that these skates would be a
winner for someone for any activity other than inline figure skating.
>I don't really think what I posted was "worthy of comment". From this
>end it feels more like somebody attacking me (for being "presumptive")
>just because I happen to be agreeing with johns.
No. Just disagreeing with you for the reasons cited above.
>I'd have a bit more respect for this discussion if we heard more from
>people who have skated on ice on figure skates and hockey skates and had
>skated on PIC skates and on other inline skates.
Perhaps you're asking in the wrong group.
Why don't you make a posting in rec.sport.hockey and ask if anyone
there has used PicSkates. Report back the results here. I ask that you
not crosspost to avoid ... cross-checking.
You could also ask in the ice figure skating newsgroup
(rec.sport.skating.ice.figure) and tell us what they have to say.
>To contradict
>this view, it would be nice to hear, say, from somebody who had skated
>on ice in hockey skates and could say "No, such-and-such inlines are
>more like hockey skates on ice than are PIC skates." Any takers?
Clearly you're interested in promoting PicSkates. I respect that. At
the same time, I think the right person to volunteer to research is
you yourself.
Besides the postings above, I'd also suggest e-mailing Pic and asking
them. From looking at their website, they don't seem to be
recommending their skates to hockey skaters.
>;-)
>(whatever that means)
--phil
B Fuhrmann
> advice, and not that he never does. I still maintain that Johns
> immediate advice to look at PIC skates was wrong because he doesn't
> know what Terry wants. It might be the right answer by chance.
A stopped clock is right twice a day.
Since johns claims that pic skates are superior for ALL kinds of skating, he
may sometimes be right that they are the better skate for a person but it is
in the same level of corectness as the stopped clock.
Bob Cardone
Did you ever entertain the idea that you as well as a couple of other
people on this newsgroup are completely obsessed with johns and his
comments?
Bob