Sanity and the Helmet Issue
David Cary Hart
Central Park, doing the horse-shit slalom in heavy bike/jogger/blader
traffic.
I'm amazed a the number of parents I see skating with 8 to 10 year old
children without helmets. This seems astonishingly stupid.
--
David Cary Hart, President
Cary Hart Associates, Executive Search
www.caryhart.com
LateNite
David Cary Hart wrote in message <3593a...@news1.ibm.net>...
I would have to agree with you. Last time I checked the asphalt could crack
my skull, but I don't think it works the other way around.
Brian A
LateNite wrote in message <6n0tug$lgn$1...@camel18.mindspring.com>...
>>...Central Park, doing the horse-shit slalom in heavy bike/jogger/blader
>>traffic.
>>
>>I'm amazed a the number of parents I see skating with 8 to 10 year old
>>children without helmets. This seems astonishingly stupid.
>
>I would have to agree with you. Last time I checked the asphalt could crack
>my skull, but I don't think it works the other way around.
I see a lot of kids bicycling around with helmets on, which virtually no one
wore when I was a kid. Maybe it will just take more time (and more
education) for parents to realize the importance of their child's wearing a
helmet while skating. Unfortunately, a lot of kids will suffer head
injuries in the meantime.
On a side note, can you use just any old horse-shit for that "horse-shit
slalom", or do you get a special kind from sporting goods stores? Is there
a horse-shit engineering council (HSEC) that provides industry standards
(e.g. HSEC-1, HSEC-5, etc)?
Brian A
"Wild, wild horses couldn't drag me away."
LateNite
>
>On a side note, can you use just any old horse-shit for that "horse-shit
>slalom", or do you get a special kind from sporting goods stores? Is there
>a horse-shit engineering council (HSEC) that provides industry standards
>(e.g. HSEC-1, HSEC-5, etc)?
>
>Brian A
>"Wild, wild horses couldn't drag me away."
>
Ok, So if there was in industry standard, how would it be based? I would
have to assume tow factors here in determining the HSEC rating. The texture
of the HS and the material used in creating it. For example, a horse fed a
diet of hay and oats would produce one type of shit, while a diet of apples,
candy and assorted other stuff will produce another type.
Also I this the age of the HS would also determine the rating. For example a
fresh dropping would and should have a different rating than a day or week
old sample. Would or could we classify this type of rating under the
durometer scale?
Mike
Derek Dudgeon
> On a side note, can you use just any old horse-shit for that "horse-shit
> slalom", or do you get a special kind from sporting goods stores? Is there
> a horse-shit engineering council (HSEC) that provides industry standards
> (e.g. HSEC-1, HSEC-5, etc)?
>
> Brian A
> "Wild, wild horses couldn't drag me away."
Don't forget the quality of the horse-shit producer....a lot of the
different ratings are just advertising hype, and will have little effect
on performance. As any reader who frequents this NG knows, high quality
HSEC-1 can be faster than HSEC-5, while giving longer life with less
maintenance.
-D
JC
On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:30:16 GMT, Derek Dudgeon <der...@home.com>
wrote:
>Don't forget the quality of the horse-shit producer....a lot of the
>different ratings are just advertising hype, and will have little effect
>on performance. As any reader who frequents this NG knows, high quality
>HSEC-1 can be faster than HSEC-5, while giving longer life with less
>maintenance.
Sorry I think you've been reading that horse shit propaganda at
http://www.mini-horseshit.com too long.
There most certainly IS a difference between HSEC-5 and HSEC-1 horse
shit, and that is the quality of the horse shit. While it's true that
HSEC-5 horse shit will eventually melt down to the consistency of
HSEC-1 horse shit, there's no doubt that HSEC-5 is still a higher
quality horse shit--as you would most certainly know if you had ever
even tried HSEC-5 horse shit, which I doubt--and that just because it
will eventually wear out doesn't mean you shouldn't settle for any
less than the very best horse shit.
Keep in mind that there is even HSEC-9 horse shit but it is so potent
that it is banned from the United States except for use in military
applications.
Corey Eli Gibson
> Ok, So if there was in industry standard, how would it be based? I would
> have to assume tow factors here in determining the HSEC rating. The texture
> of the HS and the material used in creating it. For example, a horse fed a
> diet of hay and oats would produce one type of shit, while a diet of apples,
> candy and assorted other stuff will produce another type.
I think the most imporatnt factor in the HSEC rating would be smell of the
HS.
> Also I this the age of the HS would also determine the rating. For example a
> fresh dropping would and should have a different rating than a day or week
> old sample. Would or could we classify this type of rating under the
> durometer scale?
The HS would have to initially be rated when fresh. That is the rating
that would remain with the HS no matter how badly it degrades. Of course
if you maintain your HS, then it will stay closer to the HSEC rating for a
long period of time.
This brings me to the question, does anyone have any tips on horse shit
maintenance so that I can keep mine the freshest and the best so I win my
next HS slalom meet?
Also, what is the difference in HSEC rating between horse shit from a
thouroughbred race horse and a Clydsedale????
--
Corey Gibson
RMIT Inline Skate Club (RISC) President (bring on the interns)
Hand tight is not a torque wrench setting.
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LateNite
Corey Eli Gibson wrote in message <6n1vj5$p4o$2...@aggedor.rmit.edu.au>...
Corey,
While I agree that the freshness rating is a good tool, I'm not so sure it
would be fair to look for a way to maintain that freshness. I feel that it
is more sporting to get your sample as fresh as you need from the source.
For example, for practice I would use a lower rated sample because it would
be cheaper and easier o get. While in a tournament setting only the freshest
sample would be used. I'm sure you can see my point here, that is that if
you try to maintain the freshness of the sample, you can there by affect the
quality of the sample.
Now to the most interesting part of the question. I don't think that the
type of horse should have so much to do with the rating sample. I think it
would have o to more with the size and weight of the sample. I can only
assume that on a day to day basis the horse output samples will change for
many reasons, many of which are not under our control. To eliminate or
reduce the margin of error I would have to say that size, weight, freshness,
and composition should be the 4 basic rating groups, with the necessary sub
groups to allow for a uniform rating system. Of course this is all
speculative as I am no authority on HS. I suppose we would have to create a
HS panel of at least 4 different people in the following horse fields. Race
horses, show horses, work horses, and a horse vet to ensure that the samples
are not chemically enhanced.
How do the rest of the HS users feel?
Mike
Brian
LateNite wrote in message <6n3m0p$sq8$1...@camel29.mindspring.com>...
>While I agree that the freshness rating is a good tool, I'm not so sure it
>would be fair to look for a way to maintain that freshness. I feel that it
>is more sporting to get your sample as fresh as you need from the source.
Ah, I see you're a purist. I guess you've never tried any of the new
synthetic types of horse-shit which have come on the market recently.
They're made of a new space-age polymer, Dupont Craplon®.
Natural horse-shit will soon be a thing of the past. You get one skate
through a pile of natural horse-shit and it's done for, you have to replace
it (both the pile and the skate). The new synthetic type springs back to
its original shape after just a couple of minutes.
The only problem is that Craplon is not compatible with conventional horses,
so all horses will have to have a special catalytic converter installed in
order to use it. A small price to pay for progress, if you ask me.
[® Craplon is a registered trademark of E.I. Dupont de Nemours, Inc.]
Brian A.
"He's in a jam, in a giant clam!"
LateNite
Brian wrote in message <6n3shu$h...@nnrp2.farm.idt.net>...
Please dont confuse my lack of love for Craplon with the beauty of the
original HS. Just in the same as you cannot compare just any deep dish pizza
with a Chicago style pie. While on the grand scheme of things the are the
same, in practice they are not.
I am more that happy for the Dupont company to increase jobs in third world
countries. Those folks need the work for food and such. My problem comes in
the fact of what the waste from the Craplon production is doing to our
rivers. Good _____ (fill in your religious deities name here) man, have you
ever driven past one of the Craplon factories. They stink. While the natural
stuff stinks as well, I have never gotten a head ache from the smell of HS.
Now I do understand the practical use of Craplon and can say that I would
accept it if it head the same value as the old pastime of HS collection. Why
I remember the days when I was a boy, Me and dad and his dad and his
before...We would roam the fields for a week to collect enough HS to last
the year. It was a fun time. Dad said that was the time when the menfolk
could get away from the women and be men again. He said we wore clean
clothes for women, bathed for women, and smelled good for women. That one
week we got back to our roots and let mother nature bathe us if she felt it
necessary..... Sorry I digress here.
My point is, that certain things in this world must be left in their natural
state: Football outdoors, Baseball on grass, and HS from nature. Now can you
tell me that store bought Craplon can replace my memories??
Mike
Duane Laviniere
Brian A wrote:
> I see a lot of kids bicycling around with helmets on, which virtually no one
> wore when I was a kid. Maybe it will just take more time (and more
> education) for parents to realize the importance of their child's wearing a
> helmet while skating. Unfortunately, a lot of kids will suffer head
> injuries in the meantime.
Hmmm, I'm only 20, and I remember riding my bike without helmets. God
knows how many endos I took to extreme head plants. I'm no wers fer
where. ;) Honestly, I kinda miss those days. Now every kid I see has
one of those sissy bike helmets on, even when they're just jumping off a
funbox. It just doesn't look right. What happened to those reckless
days of yore? PEACE.
--
o Duane Laviniere
| email: lavind1@[NO-SPAM]us.ibm.com
| "Life sucks, wear a helmet."
Brian A
Duane Laviniere <"lavind1"@[NO-SPAM]us.ibm.com> wrote in message >
>> I see a lot of kids bicycling around with helmets on, which virtually no
one
>> wore when I was a kid.
>
>Hmmm, I'm only 20, and I remember riding my bike without helmets. God
>knows how many endos I took to extreme head plants. I'm no wers fer
>where. ;) Honestly, I kinda miss those days. Now every kid I see has
>one of those sissy bike helmets on, even when they're just jumping off a
>funbox. It just doesn't look right. What happened to those reckless
>days of yore?
Oh yes, the days of our feckless youth. They are truly gone forever.
I remember when there were only five kinds of Kool-Aid: Grape, Orange,
Lemon-Lime, Cherry, and Lemonade. You could tell what kind the Kool-Aid was
just by looking at it.
The last time I was in the supermarket, I counted the flavors they have
today. It was more than seventeen thousand flavors. (Okay, I was kinda
bored that day). They had flavors like "Broccoli and Goat Curd", "Tofu
Surprise", and "Lemon-Kiwi Ethylene Glycol". Who needs that many flavors of
Kool-Aid?
It's no wonder why today's kids have a few problems. By the time they're
five years old, we've driven them totally bughouse.
Brian A
"Communications breakdown. It's always the same."
John frie
Duane Laviniere wrote:
> Brian A wrote:
>
> > I see a lot of kids bicycling around with helmets on, which virtually no one
> > wore when I was a kid. Maybe it will just take more time (and more
> > education) for parents to realize the importance of their child's wearing a
> > helmet while skating. Unfortunately, a lot of kids will suffer head
> > injuries in the meantime.
>
> Hmmm, I'm only 20, and I remember riding my bike without helmets. God
> knows how many endos I took to extreme head plants. I'm no wers fer
> where. ;) Honestly, I kinda miss those days. Now every kid I see has
> one of those sissy bike helmets on, even when they're just jumping off a
> funbox. It just doesn't look right. What happened to those reckless
> days of yore? PEACE.
>
> What a looser comment to make! Obviously all of those endos and extreme
head plants did make a difference in your clear thinking, making it non
existant.
Angel Station
Those days of yore dissappeared along with all those silly ideals of a free
America. Now we have all realized that we need to be legally regulated and
have no personal resposibility for lifes little pitfalls.
Break a leg and make a million!
Duane Laviniere <"lavind1"@[NO-SPAM]us.ibm.com> wrote in article