Judges' scores -- Pairs Free Skate
Eric West
Here is a list of the judges' scores and ordinals for the free
skate in the pairs competition at the world championships. The
first score is for technical merit; the second is for artistic
impression. The second score breaks the tie.
UKR GRE GBR RUS BLR AUS FRA CAN GER
Eltsova/ 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.5 5.6 5.7 5.5
Bushkov 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.8 5.7 5.6 5.7 5.8 5.6
RUS 1st 1st 4th 2nd 2nd 4th 1st 1st 3rd
Wotzel/ 5.7 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.6 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.7
Steuer 5.7 5.7 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.5 5.6 5.7 5.8
GER 2nd 2nd 5th 3rd 3rd 5th 2nd 2nd 1st
Meno/ 5.5 5.6 5.7 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.5 5.5 5.5
Sand 5.7 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.6 5.7 5.7
USA 4th 3rd 2nd 4th 4th 3rd 3rd 3rd 2nd
Shishkova/ 5.6 5.7 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.6 5.4 5.6 5.4
Naumov 5.7 5.7 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.6 5.5 5.6 5.6
RUS 3rd 4-T 1st 1st 1st 2nd 4th 4th 4th
Kazakova/ 5.6 5.6 5.8 5.5 5.3 5.6 5.4 5.2 5.5
Dmitriev 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.4 5.7 5.3 5.5 5.5
RUS 5th 6th 3rd 5th 7-T 1st 6th 7th 5th
Ina/ 5.5 5.7 5.5 5.6 5.5 5.3 5.3 5.4 5.4
Dungjen 5.6 5.7 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.3 5.3 5.4 5.5
USA 6th 4-T 7th 6th 5th 8th 7th 6th 6th
Sargeant/ 5.4 5.4 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.2 5.3 5.3 5.2
Wirtz 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.3
CAN 7th 7th 6th 7th 6th 7th 5th 5th 9th
Menzies/ 5.3 5.3 5.5 5.2 5.3 5.3 5.2 5.2 5.3
Bombardier 5.4 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.4 5.6 5.3 5.4 5.4
CAN 8th 8th 8th 8th 7-T 6th 8th 8th 7th
Beloussovskaya/ 5.2 5.1 5.2 5.3 5.2 5.0 4.8 5.1 4.9
Potalov 5.3 5.4 5.2 5.2 5.3 4.8 4.9 5.1 4.9
UKR 9th 9th 10 9th 9th 11 13 9th 12
Lyons/ 5.3 5.2 4.7 5.0 5.1 5.3 4.9 5.0 5.0
Wells 5.2 5.3 4.7 5.1 5.2 5.2 5.0 4.9 4.9
USA 10 10 14 11 10 9th 11 11 11
Carr/ 4.9 4.8 4.7 5.0 5.1 5.1 5.0 4.7 4.6
Carr 5.1 5.1 5.0 5.2 5.1 5.3 5.0 5.0 4.8
AUS 11 12 12 10 11 10 10 13 15
Abitbol/ 5.1 4.9 5.1 5.1 5.0 4.7 4.7 4.9 5.0
Bernadis 4.9 5.2 5.0 5.0 5.0 5.0 4.5 4.9 5.2
FRA 12 11 11 12 13 12 14 12 10
Shen/ 5.0 4.7 5.4 5.1 5.2 5.2 5.0 5.1 5.4
Zhao 4.8 4.9 5.1 4.9 5.0 4.5 5.2 5.0 5.3
CHN 14 14 9th 13 12 13 9th 10 8th
Zagorska/ 4.9 4.6 4.9 4.8 4.9 4.5 4.9 4.9 4.9
Siudek 4.7 4.9 4.6 4.7 5.0 4.6 4.9 4.6 4.8
POL 15 15 13 15 14 14 12 14 13
Dmitrov/ 4.9 4.9 4.7 4.8 4.8 4.4 4.5 4.7 4.8
Rex 5.0 5.0 4.4 4.9 4.7 4.5 4.5 4.7 4.8
GER 13 13 15 14 15 15 15 16 14
Rogers/ 4.5 4.6 4.5 4.5 4.4 4.3 4.0 4.2 4.4
Aldred 4.7 4.8 4.5 4.8 4.4 4.3 3.8 4.4 4.4
GBR 17 16 16 16 19 16 20 18 18
Khalturina/ 4.7 4.6 4.3 4.4 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.3 4.8
Kruokov 4.6 4.7 4.0 4.5 4.7 4.1 4.4 4.3 4.5
KZK 16 18 20 18 17 17 16 19 16
Asanakis/ 4.5 4.4 4.6 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.7
McKeever 4.5 4.6 4.4 4.7 4.6 4.1 4.2 4.5 4.5
GRE 19 19 17 17 18 19 17 17 17
Haddad/ 4.4 4.5 4.4 4.2 4.7 4.2 4.0 4.5 4.3
Prive 4.6 4.8 4.3 4.6.4 7 4.3 3.9 4.9 4.3
FRA 18 17 18 19 16 18 19 15 19
Joukalova/ 4.4 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.3 4.3 4.1 4.1 4.0
Dlabola 4.3 4.5 4.2 4.5 4.3 4.1 3.9 4.4 4.1
CZR 20 20 19 20 20 20 18 20 21
Kaverzina/ 4.3 4.2 4.2 4.2 4.2 4.3 3.9 4.1 4.1
Emeljenenko 4.2 4.3 3.9 4.1 4.2 3.9 3.8 3.8 4.2
BLR 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 20
Nekrassova/ 3.3 3.8 3.0 3.5 3.7 4.0 3.5 3.5 3.5
Mintals 3.3 3.9 3.8 3.8 3.8 3.7 3.5 3.5 3.5
EST 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22
Boguslavska/ 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.2 3.2 3.0 3.0 3.2 3.3
Salmanov 3.1 3.2 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.0 2.9 3.1 3.1
LAT 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23
Traz66
>Here is a list of the judges' scores and ordinals for the free
>skate in the pairs competition at the world championships. The
>first score is for technical merit; the second is for artistic
>impression. The second score breaks the tie.
>
> UKR GRE GBR RUS BLR AUS FRA CAN GER
>
>Kazakova/ 5.6 5.6 5.8 5.5 5.3 5.6 5.4 5.2 5.5
>Dmitriev 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.4 5.7 5.3 5.5 5.5
>RUS 5th 6th 3rd 5th 7-T 1st 6th 7th 5th
I find it hard to believe that *any* judge could have placed this pair in
first place! Sure, none of the pairs really stole the show this year, but
K&D had a *huge* break in the program when she fell the second time!
Didn't the error force them to leave out some important elements,
including a throw jump?
IMHO, Artur must have been given a couple of extra tenths for reputation!
If I were judging (which I was-- in the privacy of my own living room!), I
would have placed them behind Ina & Dungjen.
Teresa A.
jennifer rebecca hendrix
It seems that some judges penalized them for the break (5.2) and some
just gave them credit for the elements that they performed successfully
before the break (5.8), of which there were quite a few if I remember
correctly. Most of the judges gave them in between marks, though. It also
appears that the judges penalized them in the artistic marks, albeit to
varying degrees (5.3-5.7). In any case, it appears that not all of the
judges knew exactly how to score their program, which is unlikely given
the level of experience needed to be a judge at international
competitions. In short, the whole thing was bizarre.
Robert Dister
> fi...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West) writes:
>
> >Here is a list of the judges' scores and ordinals for the free
> >skate in the pairs competition at the world championships. The
> >first score is for technical merit; the second is for artistic
> >impression. The second score breaks the tie.
> >
> > UKR GRE GBR RUS BLR AUS FRA CAN GER
> >
> >Kazakova/ 5.6 5.6 5.8 5.5 5.3 5.6 5.4 5.2 5.5
> >Dmitriev 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.4 5.7 5.3 5.5 5.5
> >RUS 5th 6th 3rd 5th 7-T 1st 6th 7th 5th
>
> I find it hard to believe that *any* judge could have placed this pair in
> first place! Sure, none of the pairs really stole the show this year, but
> K&D had a *huge* break in the program when she fell the second time!
> Didn't the error force them to leave out some important elements,
> including a throw jump?
Austrian judges seemed to be a bit out there during this years Worlds. The
Austrian judge in the Ladies' event (who has been the subject of previous
threads concerning her marking of Bonaly vs. Kwiatkowski) actually gave
identical marks to Surya Bonaly and Chen Lu in the SP.
Sklar Toy
Not to mention, the Austrian judge in the Men's competition gave Todd
Eldredge 4th place marks for the Long Program!
Margaret Burwell
Robert Dister (rdi...@spectacle.berkeley.edu) writes:
>> >
>> > UKR GRE GBR RUS BLR AUS FRA CAN GER
>> >
>> >Kazakova/ 5.6 5.6 5.8 5.5 5.3 5.6 5.4 5.2 5.5
>> >Dmitriev 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.4 5.7 5.3 5.5 5.5
>> >RUS 5th 6th 3rd 5th 7-T 1st 6th 7th 5th
>>
The AUS designation is Australian. Austria is abbreviated AUT.
Marg
Louis Epstein
: In article <4ju13m$g...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, tra...@aol.com (Traz66) wrote:
: > fi...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West) writes:
: >
: > >Here is a list of the judges' scores and ordinals for the free
: > >skate in the pairs competition at the world championships. The
: > >first score is for technical merit; the second is for artistic
: > >impression. The second score breaks the tie.
: > >
: > > UKR GRE GBR RUS BLR AUS FRA CAN GER
: > >
: > >Kazakova/ 5.6 5.6 5.8 5.5 5.3 5.6 5.4 5.2 5.5
: > >Dmitriev 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.4 5.7 5.3 5.5 5.5
: > >RUS 5th 6th 3rd 5th 7-T 1st 6th 7th 5th
: >
: > I find it hard to believe that *any* judge could have placed this pair in
: > first place! Sure, none of the pairs really stole the show this year, but
: > K&D had a *huge* break in the program when she fell the second time!
: > Didn't the error force them to leave out some important elements,
: > including a throw jump?
: Austrian judges seemed to be a bit out there during this years Worlds. The
: Austrian judge in the Ladies' event (who has been the subject of previous
: threads concerning her marking of Bonaly vs. Kwiatkowski) actually gave
: identical marks to Surya Bonaly and Chen Lu in the SP.
Wereen't we just complaining about the Austrian judge's off-the-wall marks
back in Birmingham?Maybe Austrian judging schools have different standards??
Louis Epstein
: Robert Dister (rdi...@spectacle.berkeley.edu) writes:
: >> >
: >> > UKR GRE GBR RUS BLR AUS FRA CAN GER
: >> >
: >> >Kazakova/ 5.6 5.6 5.8 5.5 5.3 5.6 5.4 5.2 5.5
: >> >Dmitriev 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.4 5.7 5.3 5.5 5.5
: >> >RUS 5th 6th 3rd 5th 7-T 1st 6th 7th 5th
: >>
: > Austrian judges seemed to be a bit out there during this years Worlds.
: The AUS designation is Australian. Austria is abbreviated AUT.
Good point...kind of surprised a skating non-power like Australia gets World
judges,have they been getting credentials from Chuckie?
I gather these three-letter abbreviations are based on names in English
for the most part,but not always.
Robert Dister
aj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Margaret Burwell) wrote:
> Robert Dister (rdi...@spectacle.berkeley.edu) writes:
> >> >
> >> > UKR GRE GBR RUS BLR AUS FRA CAN GER
> >> >
> >> >Kazakova/ 5.6 5.6 5.8 5.5 5.3 5.6 5.4 5.2 5.5
> >> >Dmitriev 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.4 5.7 5.3 5.5 5.5
> >> >RUS 5th 6th 3rd 5th 7-T 1st 6th 7th 5th
> >>
> > Austrian judges seemed to be a bit out there during this years Worlds.
>
> The AUS designation is Australian. Austria is abbreviated AUT.
>
Oops! I'm curious, though, as to how Australia wound up with a judge. Are
there any skaters of note from Australia, other than "Nicole Bobeck" and
other denizens of Chuckie's alternate universe?
R. Moes
> Oops! I'm curious, though, as to how Australia wound up with a judge. Are
> there any skaters of note from Australia, other than "Nicole Bobeck" and
> other denizens of Chuckie's alternate universe?
Australia gets a judge for the pairs thanks to Danielle & Stephen Carr,
who have most certainly made a name for themselves Down Under with their
10th place finish at '94 Worlds.
--Rob
SKHazen
<Pine.A32.3.91.960405...@green.weeg.uiowa.edu>, "R. Moes"
<rm...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> writes:
>Australia gets a judge for the pairs thanks to Danielle & Stephen Carr,
>who have most certainly made a name for themselves Down Under with their
>10th place finish at '94 Worlds.
Unstated, but I believe intended: also 11th place finish at 95 Worlds.
With 3 Russians in the top 10 that year (again) and 2 US competitors in
the top 10, the pool for 96 would logically have included the following
(in the order of 95 finish): CZE, RUS, USA, GER, LAT, FRA, CAN, AUS, UKR,
& KZK. Which, as I write it, I find confusing: maybe the question should
be why GRE (no team in 1995 but one in 96)), GBR (17th behind POL), and
BLR (no team in 1995 but one in 96) had Judges in the pool and USA, LAT &
KZK did not? Speculating now (truly off the top of my head): perhaps the
latter three fedrerations did not nominate a Judge for Pairs or did but
such judge was assigned to another event he or she was eligible to cover
and preferred to do so -- in which case the ISU would have to look
elsewhere. Looking to other federations entering competitors in the event
would be logical, paricularly if an internationally recognized Pairs judge
was available from one or more of those federations.
SKHazen
figs...@ix.netcom.com(Sklar Toy) writes:
>Not to mention, the Austrian judge in the Men's competition gave Todd
>Eldredge 4th place marks for the Long Program!
3rd place marks for Rudy -- so at least it would be hard to call it a
national bias thing (Florian Tuma having retired after a fall in the SP).
Gvarty
> Which, as I write it, I find confusing: maybe the question should
> be why GRE (no team in 1995 but one in 96)), GBR (17th behind POL), and
> BLR (no team in 1995 but one in 96) had Judges in the pool and USA, LAT &
> KZK did not? Speculating now (truly off the top of my head): perhaps the
> latter three fedrerations did not nominate a Judge for Pairs or did but
> such judge was assigned to another event he or she was eligible to cover
> and preferred to do so -- in which case the ISU would have to look
> elsewhere. Looking to other federations entering competitors in the event
> would be logical, paricularly if an internationally recognized Pairs judge
> was available from one or more of those federations.
There are usually more than enough judges for a panel nominated by the
various countries. My understanding is that each ISU-member country is
able to nominate judges in the various disciplines. From this pool, the
members of each panel are drawn, in much the same way as the skaters'
starting order is drawn. It has nothing to do with which country placed
in what order in the previous championships. That explains why there was
no Chinese judge on the Ladies' panel.
Louis Epstein
In dance,it apparently does...or maybe this is only Olympics?