Grand Prix Final - Ice dance results
bex Hunter
Ice Dancing Summary
Rank Name Country Or.dance Free dance A Free dance B Tot.Points
Rank Points Rank Points Rank Points
1 Irina LOBACHEVA / Ilia AVERBUKH RUS 1 0,4 1 0,6 1 1,0 2,0
2 Tatiana NAVKA / Roman KOSTOMAROV RUS 2 0,8 2 1,2 2 2,0 4,0
3 Albena DENKOVA / Maxim STAVIYSKI BUL 3 1,2 3 1,8 3 3,0 6,0
4 Elena GRUSHINA / Ruslan GONCHAROV UKR 4 1,6 4 2,4 4 4,0 8,0
5 Galit CHAIT / Sergei SAKHNOVSKI ISR 5 2,0 5 3,0 5 5,0 10,0
6 Marie-France DUBREUIL / Patrice LAUZON CAN 6 2,4 6 3,6 6 6,0 12,0
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Debo Lincoln
>From: b...@TheWorld.com (bex Hunter)
>Date: 03/01/2003 11:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <b3qnhm$iot$1...@pcls3.std.com>
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>From http://www.isugrandprix.ru/results/index.html
Bex -
As I read this at high noon, EST, looks as though, for today, only the starting
orders are listed. The event is occurring at 18:00 hrs. in St. Petersburg.
Maybe those are yesterday's results?
Debo
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>As I read this at high noon, EST, looks as though, for today, only the
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>orders are listed. The event is occurring at 18:00 hrs. in St. Petersburg.
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>Maybe those are yesterday's results?
If the event started at 1800 in St Pete, that would make it 8 AM or 9 AM EST.
So, it is entirely possible that those are the final results. Just a thought.
Penpoint
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>Ice Dancing Summary
>Rank Name Country Or.dance Free dance A Free dance B Tot.Points
>Rank Points Rank Points Rank Points
>1 Irina LOBACHEVA / Ilia AVERBUKH RUS 1 0,4 1 0,6 1 1,0 2,0
>2 Tatiana NAVKA / Roman KOSTOMAROV RUS 2 0,8 2 1,2 2 2,0 4,0
>3 Albena DENKOVA / Maxim STAVIYSKI BUL 3 1,2 3 1,8 3 3,0 6,0
>4 Elena GRUSHINA / Ruslan GONCHAROV UKR 4 1,6 4 2,4 4 4,0 8,0
>5 Galit CHAIT / Sergei SAKHNOVSKI ISR 5 2,0 5 3,0 5 5,0 10,0
>6 Marie-France DUBREUIL / Patrice LAUZON CAN 6 2,4 6 3,6 6 6,0 12,0
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Why did they even hold free dances A and B? The placements of the
couples remained the same through three different programs. Unless
you have skaters with a wide range of abilities, it doesn't seem
logical to me that there wouldn't be some variation in the placements.
Here you have top skaters--not a huge difference in their
abilities--so obviously the judges made up their minds on the rankings
in the first program. Did they sleep through the other two programs?
Didn't any couple make any errors? Weren't the judges swayed by one
program over another? I wish they would hold the entire dance
competition without showing scores for individual events--then just
award placements at the end. At least that wouldn't look as if the
whole thing were fixed ahead of time.
gerbear
Have you seen the results for the pairs competion? It looks just like
the dance results - all 6 rankings are identical for each segment of
the competition. How can ISU possibly contend that things are
improving?
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From: gerj...@msn.com (gerbear)
>Have you seen the results for the pairs competion? It looks just like the
dance results - all 6 rankings are identical for each segment of the
competition. How can ISU possibly contend that things are
improving?<
Have you seen the competition? If not, how can *you* possibly contend that
something was wrong? I have no idea whether there should have been movement in
pairs. All I know is that T&M were clean in each portion of the competition,
while S&Z made mistakes. Other than that, I'll wait until I see the skating
before I make statements about "things not improving".
PS. Obviously, things moved in each stage of the ladies and mens competitions.
gerbear
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> Have you seen the competition? If not, how can *you* possibly contend that
> something was wrong? I have no idea whether there should have been movement in
> pairs. All I know is that T&M were clean in each portion of the competition,
> while S&Z made mistakes. Other than that, I'll wait until I see the skating
> before I make statements about "things not improving".
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> PS. Obviously, things moved in each stage of the ladies and mens competitions.
No, I haven't seen the competition. According to Heather's tv guide, I
might get to see the dance and pairs in three weeks, and that's only
if it isn't preempted by a basketball game or bowling tournament or
something. [Oops, that's a whole other sore spot: our local station
showed neither Europeans nor Four Continents, once because of the
shuttle tragedy and once because of a college basketball game. Last
year they would at least bump the skating to the middle of the night,
but no such luck this year, as far as I could tell.]
My main point was to agree with penpoint, the previous post. Something
has always seemed fishy when you invite the world's most elite
athletes to compete in three (or four, as is often the case in dance)
different stages, and there is little or no movement from stage to
stage. If the finals of the 100 meters were run 3-4 times, no one
would expect the order of placement to be identical each time. If
there was never any movement in the placements for diving competition
there would be no reason to have 9 rounds. Everyone could do just one
dive and the winner could be just as accurately determined. If there
is no movement from stage to stage, then all the extra stages are
unnecessary.
I love your p.s.(if I understand it correctly) and I agree that there
was movement in the men's and ladies events. Wouldn't you be troubled
if there hadn't been? To me, it is 'obvious' that there should be
movement in all 4 skating disciplines if this is a sport that wants to
be taken seriously.
Lack of movement in the dance category has been a pet peeve of mine
for a long time, and it's even more frustrating that it seems only
rarely to be talked about. I was just glad that at least one other
skating fan appears to have similar feelings.
MyRomanHoliday
stations. Bowling? Ugggghhhh! I don't know how much ice dancing and pairs will
see though -- the focus will be on ladies, since an American skater is a
serious contender there.
I understand your point. But I caution you against lumping together ice dancing
and pairs results. While lack of movement in pairs is strange, I am not
surprised that top 4 didn't move. According to people who've seen the skating,
they all had a very consistent (not necessarily in a good way) competition. I
don't know what happened with remaining pairs. I am curious to see why L&A were
placed so low. I hope our dear ABC will allow us to see them. I am also hoping
that Dick doesn't spoil my enjoyment of Plushenko. It was a performance for the
ages, and I don't want Dick to focus on the negative like he did during the
Europeans.
-cassie-
Althealeo
always seemed fishy when you invite the world's most elite athletes to compete
in three (or four, as is often the case in dance) different stages, and there
is little or no movement from stage to stage.>
Ice dance has always been like that, but what's kind of weird is that, at least
in previous Worlds and Olympics, the individual judges do sometimes vary pretty
substantially where they place the teams.....particularly once you move beyond
the top 5 teams.
The GPF isn't the best place to see that, obviously, since the competition is
so restricted, and we can't of course look at the individual marks. :( But at
least in previous years, if they were 'fixing' the results across all the
competitors, they were doing a pretty good job disguising it.
-- Kate