Vienna Cup--who goes to the Olympics?
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Les Chrobak <les...@cyberpoop.com> wrote:
: Ok, I'm strictly speaking about the women here. There is concern about
: Susan Humphreys' low ranking after the short, but everyone representing a
: country that finish top 24 at the worlds last year isn't trying to get an
: olympic spot, right?
: So I'll go through the list,
[list not re-quoted except for:]
: 6 Yulia VOROBIEVA AZE 3.0 **AZE--21st last year wrlds (same
: skater)
: 10 Helena GRUNDBERG SWE 5.0 **SWE finished 22nd at last year
: wrlds
I believe these two ladies are trying to qualify for their country as
well. I'm not sure what happened, but the ladies that finished close
to the cutoff of top 24 were axed anyway. It'd be fantastic for Canada
if Susie was 6th among qualifiers, but I think she's still 8th.
Sam.
Les Chrobak
Ok, I'm strictly speaking about the women here. There is concern about
Susan Humphreys' low ranking after the short, but everyone representing a
country that finish top 24 at the worlds last year isn't trying to get an
olympic spot, right?
So I'll go through the list,
1 Tonia KWIATKOWSKI USA 0.5 **obviously not after an olympic spot
2 Zoe JONES GBR 1.0
3 Lu CHEN CHN 1.5
4 Tatjana PLIUSHEVA RUS 2.0 **obviously not after an olympic spot
5 Miriam MANZANO AUS 2.5 **AUS--11th last year wrlds (Joanne
Carter)
6 Yulia VOROBIEVA AZE 3.0 **AZE--21st last year wrlds (same
skater)
7 Eva Maira FITZE GER 3.5 **GER--10th last year wrlds (same
skater)
8 Sabina WOJTALA POL 4.0 **POL--14th at last year
wrlds(Zuzanna Szwed)
9 Silvia FONTANA ITA 4.5
10 Helena GRUNDBERG SWE 5.0 **SWE finished 22nd at last year
wrlds
11 Zuzana PAUROVA SVK 5.5
12 Anna WENZEL AUT 6.0 **AUT--6th at last year wrlds (Julia
Lautowa)
13 Diana POTH HUN 6.5 **HUN--7th at last year wrlds
(Christina Czako)
14 Shirene HUMAN SAF 7.0
15 Susan HUMPHREYS CAN 7.5
16 Ivana JAKUPCEVIC CRO 8.0
17 Marta ANDRADE SPN 8.5
18 Sofia PENKOVA BUL 9.0
19 Choi HYUNG-KYUNG ROK 9.5
20 Ja-Lin WENG TPE 10.0
21 Jekaterina GOLOVATENKO EST 10.5
22 Helena PAJOVIC YUG 11.0
23 Marta CHISU ROM 11.5
That means that only 14 or the 23 skaters are at the Vienna Cup for an
Olympic spot, right?
I've heard that Susan is 8th among those trying to secure an Olympic spot,
but according to my count she is 6th. (Which would mean she's still,
well--ok!, surely she can hold that weak standing. I'm sure she's working
hard to makes sure the long program goes much better.
Can someone tell me if I'm right (or where I went wrong) with this line of
thinking. Oh well, we will know the final standings tomorrow.
Les.
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By my calculations, here are the countries who have gained the final Olympic
berths in men, pairs, and dance as a result of the Vienna Cup competition
(the ladies' final is Saturday).
MEN (6):
Australia, Bulgaria, Switzerland, Italy, Slovak Republic, Kazakhstan
*Note: Anthony Liu (who formerly skated for China and placed second to Dan
Hollander in Vienna) is not eligible to represent Australia in Nagano at this
time.
PAIRS (4):
Ukraine, Czech Republic, Great Britain, Azerbaijan
DANCE (5):
Belarus, Israel, Bulgaria, Great Britain, Armenia
LADIES (6):
After the short program, the top eight countries in the running for the six
remaining Olympic slots are (skaters in Vienna and their placements after the
short program in parentheses):
Great Britain (2. Zoe Jones), China (3. Chen Lu), Azerbaijan (6. Yulia
Vorobieva), Italy (9. Silvia Fontana), Sweden (10. Helena Grundberg), Slovak
Republic (11. Zuzana Paurova), South Africa (14. Shirene Human), Canada (15.
Susan Humphreys).
--Sylvia
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Sonya Lee McCallum
On 18 Oct 1997, Trudi Marrapodi wrote:
> So it is as some others have said--Susie is 8th. Well, I'll reiterate, I
> don't know how Paurova skates, but if she can't beat Human (whom I've seen
> skate, and not very well) and Paurova, whom I haven't seen), one has to
> ask whether anyone in Canada belongs at the Olympics.
>
I did NOT like reading that last statement, but I suppose in my previous
"harsh" posts about Canadian women, I said the same thing .... Of course,
Susan IS beter than these results would indicate, but the point is, you
have to do it when it counts. As per my previous post, CONFIDENCE seems
to be a key!!
I have a stupid question ..... all this talk about the OLYMPIC berth
...... will Canada still get to send a woman to Worlds???!!!
Sonya
Trudi Marrapodi
In article <19971017235...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
skate...@aol.com (Skatephile) wrote:
> By my calculations, here are the countries who have gained the final Olympic
> berths in men, pairs, and dance as a result of the Vienna Cup competition
> (the ladies' final is Saturday).
>
> MEN (6):
> Australia, Bulgaria, Switzerland, Italy, Slovak Republic, Kazakhstan
OK, so if I had just read further I would have had my answer :-).
> *Note: Anthony Liu (who formerly skated for China and placed second to Dan
> Hollander in Vienna) is not eligible to represent Australia in Nagano at this
> time.
Tough break for him, but great break for Australia...I suppose Liu will be
sent to worlds, though?
> PAIRS (4):
> Ukraine, Czech Republic, Great Britain, Azerbaijan
>
> DANCE (5):
> Belarus, Israel, Bulgaria, Great Britain, Armenia
>
> LADIES (6):
> After the short program, the top eight countries in the running for the six
> remaining Olympic slots are (skaters in Vienna and their placements after the
> short program in parentheses):
> Great Britain (2. Zoe Jones), China (3. Chen Lu), Azerbaijan (6. Yulia
> Vorobieva), Italy (9. Silvia Fontana), Sweden (10. Helena Grundberg), Slovak
> Republic (11. Zuzana Paurova), South Africa (14. Shirene Human), Canada (15.
> Susan Humphreys).
>
> --Sylvia
> Skate...@aol.com
So it is as some others have said--Susie is 8th. Well, I'll reiterate, I
don't know how Paurova skates, but if she can't beat Human (whom I've seen
skate, and not very well) and Paurova, whom I haven't seen), one has to
ask whether anyone in Canada belongs at the Olympics.
--
Trudi
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Louis Epstein
Sonya Lee McCallum (son...@sfu.ca) wrote:
:
: I have a stupid question ..... all this talk about the OLYMPIC berth
If you're in the ISU,you're allowed to send skaters to the Worlds
quals.Only if you're hosting can you be sure they'll gete OUT of quals.
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Sonya Lee McCallum <son...@sfu.ca> wrote:
: I did NOT like reading that last statement, but I suppose in my previous
: Susan IS beter than these results would indicate, but the point is, you
: have to do it when it counts. As per my previous post, CONFIDENCE seems
: to be a key!!
Here's an interesting thought. If a skater can't handle the pressure
well and has continuous confidence problems, is the skater still a
complete and great figure skater? Susan's technical and artistic
ability are not in doubt, but she's had so many confidence problems.
If you give her 8 out of 10 for technical ability, 9 out of 10 for
artistic ability and only 1 out of 10 for mental ability, that still
only works out to an average skater - 6 out of 10 (I'm making these
numbers up). Of course, since the mental game is so low, it cancels
out part of the technical and artistic abilities. Perhaps down to
4 out of 10 when she's stressing herself out. Meanwhile, a skater
like Zuzana Paurova may only have 2 out of 10 for technical, 3 out of
10 for artistic, but has 10 out of 10 for mental. That's only 5 out
of 10, but confidence boosts her performances and with nothing to
lose, her technical abilities rise and she lands that triple she's
never landed before.
Someone just sent me a wonderful article about Jennifer Robinson. She
talks about how she lost her confidence last year, admitted it (many
skaters probably deny that fact) and then sought help. Now she
says she's become much stronger and has no fear. I was just about
to put it up on her home page, but maybe I'll post it here too.
It was so inspiring I typed it in right away and scanned the pictures.
: I have a stupid question ..... all this talk about the OLYMPIC berth
: ...... will Canada still get to send a woman to Worlds???!!!
I don't see why not. All Canada needs to do is qualify like all the
other countries. Canada would only get a maximum of one entry in the
ladies event though, but that's no surprise.
Sam.
Trudi Marrapodi
In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.971017184109.26185E-100000@beaufort>, Sonya Lee
McCallum <son...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> On 18 Oct 1997, Trudi Marrapodi wrote:
>
> > So it is as some others have said--Susie is 8th. Well, I'll reiterate, I
> > don't know how Paurova skates, but if she can't beat Human (whom I've seen
> > skate, and not very well) and Paurova, whom I haven't seen), one has to
> > ask whether anyone in Canada belongs at the Olympics.
> >
>
>
> I did NOT like reading that last statement, but I suppose in my previous
> "harsh" posts about Canadian women, I said the same thing ....
Well, I hate to sound like David Dore, but to be fair, this is not an
exceptionally high standard to have to meet...
> Of course,
> Susan IS beter than these results would indicate, but the point is, you
> have to do it when it counts. As per my previous post, CONFIDENCE seems
> to be a key!!
That's it. She may be far, far better than this, but if she can't be when
she has to be...
> I have a stupid question ..... all this talk about the OLYMPIC berth
> ...... will Canada still get to send a woman to Worlds???!!!
> Sonya
Actually, I think it hinges on this too--doesn't it? Or do other factors
go into that?
kemc
> > I have a stupid question ..... all this talk about the OLYMPIC berth
> > ...... will Canada still get to send a woman to Worlds???!!!
> Actually, I think it hinges on this too--doesn't it? Or do other factors
> go into that?
Good question - what's the answer ??
kemc.
Spam Hater
http://www.usfsa.org/news/news8.htm
says, "Every member country automatically receives one entry in each
of four disciplines." Canada gets to go if they want.
kemc
> > >> > I have a stupid question ..... all this talk about the OLYMPIC
berth
> > >> > ...... will Canada still get to send a woman to Worlds???!!!
> > >
> > >> Actually, I think it hinges on this too--doesn't it? Or do other
factors
> > >> go into that?
> > >
> > >Good question - what's the answer ??
> > >
> > http://www.usfsa.org/news/news8.htm
> > says, "Every member country automatically receives one entry in each
> > of four disciplines." Canada gets to go if they want.
>
> Yeah, and I guess the deal is, of course...they gotta qualify once there,
> and if they don't...they don't.
>
OK, so everybody gets to send one skater and they have to
qualify to get into the short program.
But, who gets to send two or three skaters? Is it the same
as for the Olympics?
kemc.
Trudi Marrapodi
I believe so. Anyone know any different?