Kurt Browning Homophobe?
David Migicovsky
With Mike Bullard"
Mike: Who'd you compete against this year?
Kurt: Well, geez. Rudy Galindo. Anyone ever heard of Rudy Galindo? (singing
with "queenie" tone and facial expression) YMCA. He came out with a hula
hoop and I won somehow. It was a tough (breaks off)
Mike: I didn't know that this sort of sniping goes on in your business.
Is there a long-running feud between the two or something?
David who regardless, nominates Browning for inclusion in the "Worst Male
Pattern Baldness" thread.
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Oh dear. Kurt, sweetie, that doesn't reflect at *all* well on you. Is
the boy some sort dolt, darlings or is he just always been hateful and
never been on a talk show before?
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Lorrie Kim
David Migicovsky <da...@see.sig> wrote:
>This struck me as rather mean-spirited.
I think you've hit it right there. Browning sometimes says
mean-spirited things. Perhaps his mean streak is no worse than anyone
else's, but he can have poor impulse control. I think he's impulsive
rather than homophobic, partly because gay skaters have stated that
Browning is gay-supportive. He may also have a problem with effeminacy,
rather than with homosexuality (just speculating).
Other skaters whose tastes have been ridiculed by Browning:
Victor Petrenko, Brian Boitano, Alexei Urmanov.
>Kurt: Well, geez. Rudy Galindo. Anyone ever heard of Rudy Galindo? (singing
>with "queenie" tone and facial expression) YMCA. He came out with a hula
>hoop and I won somehow. It was a tough (breaks off)
It's misleading to connect Browning's win with the hula hoop.
Galindo's artistic program scores at the 1997 World Pros suffered not from
the hoop, but from his less difficult jumps, and the fact that he repeated
some jumps (repeated elements don't get scored). Browning's victory was
not that easy. Galindo nearly tied him in the technical event, despite
the utter lack of choreography in "Dancing with Myself" and the brilliant
choreography of "Antares," because Galindo's jumps were perfect and
Browning's were messy.
>Is there a long-running feud between the two or something?
Strictly speaking, no, because for years I imagine Browning hardly
remembered that Galindo existed. Nobody thought we'd ever see Galindo at
the World Pros. But on the other hand, Galindo states on the record that
some of Kristi Yamaguchi's Edmonton friends were cold and rude to him many
years ago (1990 or so). Browning might have been one of them. The one
time I saw Galindo and Browning at a press conference, their interaction
seemed friendly and professional enough.
Lorrie Kim
lor...@plover.com
annie
wrote:
>This struck me as rather mean-spirited. This is from tonight's "Open Mike
>With Mike Bullard"
>
>Mike: Who'd you compete against this year?
>
>Kurt: Well, geez. Rudy Galindo. Anyone ever heard of Rudy Galindo? (singing
>with "queenie" tone and facial expression) YMCA. He came out with a hula
>hoop and I won somehow. It was a tough (breaks off)
>
>Mike: I didn't know that this sort of sniping goes on in your business.
>
>
>
>Is there a long-running feud between the two or something?
>
Yeah, that comment was bad form on the part of Kurt. He ususally comes
across as such a good-quote-nice-guy. Well, not to defend Kurt's
remark (it's still unwarranted and in bad taste), but this may have
stemmed from the pro competition this past winter (was it World
Pros?), where Rudy, upset with his marks, did a kiss-and-cry interview
where he expressed that he was frustrated by the judging and that the
judges didn't seem to be able to recognize how his number displayed
real artistry while the rest of the guys competing were just skating
back and forth (or something to that effect). To me, Rudy came across
like an all-around poor sport, sounding really petty, whiny and
insulting in that interview.
But who knows, maybe there's bad blood between the two of them from
way back. Rudy was forced to train at Royal Glenora in Edmonton
(Kurt's club for most of his amateur career) for a while in the 89-90
season when he was still skating pairs with Kristi Yamaguchi who'd
moved to Glenora to be with her singles coach. In his autobiography,
Rudy referred to his Glenora days as dark times where he felt like a
total outsider, and claims that although Kristi thrived at Glenora and
made many new friends there, he was shunned by the skaters at the rink
who he felt made it clear to him that they wanted nothing to do with
Kristi's "fag" partner. But this was all Rudy's side of the story.
Maybe there's truth in it, and maybe it was Rudy's attitude or perhaps
he was displaying an abrasive personality which the Glenora skaters in
turn responded to.
JTO DVM
>In article <IRZN1.67$le1.38...@news.randori.com
>David Migicovsky <da...@see.sig> wrote:
>>Kurt: Well, geez. Rudy Galindo. Anyone ever heard of Rudy Galindo? (singing
>>with "queenie" tone and facial expression) YMCA. He came out with a hula
>>hoop and I won somehow.
Hmm, Kurt needs a reality check. I was at the World Pros that night and Rudy's
program was *the* highlight of the night (and the vast majority of the audience
agreed). His use of the hoop was creative and unique, while Kurt recycled
Brickhouse and had half the jumps that Rudy did. IMHO, Rudy should have won
that night (and I was not alone).
For Kurt to ridicule his opponent this way shows a supreme lack of class. I
used to like Kurt just fine, but lately the charm is definitely fading.
Jane
PosterBoy
annie wrote in message <36087315....@news.direct.ca>...
>On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:17:50 -0400, "David Migicovsky" <da...@see.sig>
>wrote:
>
>>This struck me as rather mean-spirited. This is from tonight's "Open Mike
>>With Mike Bullard"
Is everyone here aware that "Open Mike With Mike Bullard" is a COMEDY
show on the COMEDY network...and that the speciality of the house with
"guest stars" is saying ridiculous things about other show-biz types?
Just wondering.
Cheers.
Revjoelle
> Is everyone here aware that "Open Mike With Mike Bullard" is a COMEDY
>show on the COMEDY network...and that the speciality of the house with
>"guest stars" is saying ridiculous things about other show-biz types?
> Just wondering.
Well that's always the excuse people use to be mean and ridicule others--then
if you object you are accused of not having a sense of humour.
Joelle
"Whoever you like is the best skater in the world."
Scott Hamilton
Chris Lam
Revjoelle wrote:
> > Is everyone here aware that "Open Mike With Mike Bullard" is a COMEDY
> >show on the COMEDY network...and that the speciality of the house with
> >"guest stars" is saying ridiculous things about other show-biz types?
> > Just wondering.
I didn't see Kurt as offensive in any way. When he said "YMCA" I saw it as kind
of singing; as for him saying he 'somehow won' I saw it as him saying it was a
very close match and I didn't see it as insulting Rudy. Just my opinion
Chris
PosterBoy
Revjoelle wrote in message <19980923134725...@ng24.aol.com>...
>
>> Is everyone here aware that "Open Mike With Mike Bullard" is a COMEDY
>>show on the COMEDY network...and that the speciality of the house with
>>"guest stars" is saying ridiculous things about other show-biz types?
>> Just wondering.
>
others--then
>if you object you are accused of not having a sense of humour.
>
Well....that could be correct, Rev. In this case, it happens to be an
honest question, deserving of an answer instead of a harpoon.
Did you see the show? Do you agree with David's interpretation?
I saw the segment, and it would be a real stretch, IMVHBITCCAO, to
consider the dialogue anything but a light and cheery response to bait
trolled by Bullard.
(Also please see Chris Lam's impression posted in this thread!)
Cheers.
Revjoelle
> Well....that could be correct, Rev. In this case, it happens to be an
>honest question, deserving of an answer instead of a harpoon.
> Did you see the show? Do you agree with David's interpretation?
I didn't see the show and I have nothing to say about Dave's interpretation and
you will note I made no comment about what Kurt said or how he said it or what
I think of him saying it--since I didn't see it. On the face of it it doesn't
sound particularly funny or flattering to Kurt but as I say, I didn't see it.
I was pointing out that the fact that this was a comedy show doesn't change
anything. If he was ridiculing Rudy, it was mean--regardless of whether or not
he was supposed to be funny.
Chelsea Christenson
>
> David Migicovsky wrote:
>
> > Kurt: Well, geez. Rudy Galindo. Anyone ever heard of Rudy Galindo?
> > (singing with "queenie" tone and facial expression) YMCA. He came
>
> Well, that's one interpretation. He mentioned Rudy Galindo. No
> audience reaction. He then turned to the audience and asked if they'd
> heard of him. Still no response. He started to sing YMCA to jog
> their memory. Mike misunderstood and started laughing, thinking it
> was a dig, which is why he made the comment about sniping.
Goes to show how much you can miss without tone of voice, gesture and
body language.
Trudi Marrapodi
(Revjoelle) wrote:
I don't know. From what I gather Kurt was singing "YMCA" to try to get
people to recognize which skater Rudy was by singing something he skated
to, and maybe the host thought that was Kurt's snide way of implying Rudy
is gay (as if no one knew that) or that he was ridiculing Rudy when he was
just singing a song Rudy skated to. Who knows...
Trudi
Lee
>
>>In article <IRZN1.67$le1.38...@news.randori.com
>>David Migicovsky <da...@see.sig> wrote:
>>>Kurt: Well, geez. Rudy Galindo. Anyone ever heard of Rudy Galindo?
(singing
>>>with "queenie" tone and facial expression) YMCA. He came out with a hula
>>>hoop and I won somehow.
>
Rudy's
>program was *the* highlight of the night (and the vast majority of the
audience
>agreed). His use of the hoop was creative and unique, while Kurt recycled
>Brickhouse and had half the jumps that Rudy did. IMHO, Rudy should have
won
>that night (and I was not alone).
>
>For Kurt to ridicule his opponent this way shows a supreme lack of class.
I
>used to like Kurt just fine, but lately the charm is definitely fading.
>
Maybe THAT's why he's taking some time off from touring...stressed out,
perhaps? People do tend to be a little less circumspect when they're
stressed (trust me, I know...have a hubby that proves it...grrrrr!).
I didn't see the show, and it saddens me to think Kurt would respond this
way, but people said he did, so I have no choice but to believe it. Let's
just hope the time off is what he needs to get back to his 'old self'...
Lee
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Naomi Lloyd
>From: "D. C." <da...@magma.ca>
>Subject: Re: Kurt Browning Homophobe?
>Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:17:33 GMT
>David Migicovsky wrote:
>> Kurt: Well, geez. Rudy Galindo. Anyone ever heard of Rudy Galindo? (singing
>> with "queenie" tone and facial expression) YMCA. He came out with a hula
>> hoop and I won somehow. It was a tough (breaks off)
>Well, that's one interpretation. He mentioned Rudy Galindo. No audience
>reaction. He then turned to the audience and asked if they'd heard of him.
>Still no response. He started to sing YMCA to jog their memory. Mike
>misunderstood and started laughing, thinking it was a dig, which is why he made
>the comment about sniping.
I think people, including Kurt, need to be careful when emulating the behavior
of a group that has been mimicked and disparaged. Even to emulate an
individual you have to identify traits unique to them and it is easy to cause
offense. If it's a group of people, trying to pick out traits is risky as this
is often how entire groups have been ridiculed - by people asserting that
certain types of behavior characterise this group only. If Kurt was "camping
it up" he was on very shaky ground, as this type of mimicking has been used by
heterosexual men and boys to ridicule gay men. Even if attempting, in all
seriousness, to jog people's memory you run the risk of your emulation coming
off as ridicule. Especially if you're on a comedy show and are trying to win a
few laughs. I mean, what did he think people would be laughing about?
If the show's host thought Kurt was sniping there's a good chance others
did. It is difficult to imagine how Kurt could have gay men as friends and
decide to emulate a gay man on a comedy show. I guess the litmus test would be
if Kurt would have done this if the entire audience consisted of gay men -
would he have thought that they would have found it funny? Did Rudy find it
funny?
If Kurt was gay and the audience too, this would be a different story. Then it
would be more family members criticizing/laughing at one another, as opposed
to an outsider who neither knows or loves the family criticizing/laughing at
one of its members. I certainly don't have any heterosexual friends who could
or would try to in any way get away with in-jokes about the lesbian community.
It is still just too painful.
Naomi
Ellen B. Edgerton
: If the show's host thought Kurt was sniping there's a good chance others
: decide to emulate a gay man on a comedy show. I guess the litmus test would be
: if Kurt would have done this if the entire audience consisted of gay men -
: would he have thought that they would have found it funny? Did Rudy find it
: funny?
Well, apparently Rudy finds such behavior funny enough to build an entire
comic skating routine around it. <shrug>
David Migicovsky
Big difference for him to do it as one of his routines, and for Browning to
do it.
Randy MacDonald
>Ellen B. Edgerton wrote in message <360a4...@news.syr.edu>...
>>Naomi Lloyd (ll...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>>: If the show's host thought Kurt was sniping there's a good chance others
>>: did. It is difficult to imagine how Kurt could have gay men as friends
>and
>>: decide to emulate a gay man on a comedy show. I guess the litmus test
>would be
>>: if Kurt would have done this if the entire audience consisted of gay
>men -
>>: would he have thought that they would have found it funny? Did Rudy find
>it
>>: funny?
Lemme get this straight:
This other skater has YMCA as the music for one of his routines;
Kurt Browning, believing everyone watches figure skating, does a bit of the
routine, thinking people will recognize it, not necessarily realizing the
cultural baggage of the song.
He also mentions the inclusion of a silly prop (the hula hoop) and expresses
mock suprise at the loss.
At this point Bullard comments on the sniping.
Perhaps the hula-hoop company should be offended.
David Migicovsky
>
>Lemme get this straight:
>
> This other skater has YMCA as the music for one of his routines;
> Kurt Browning, believing everyone watches figure skating, does a bit of
the
>routine, thinking people will recognize it, not necessarily realizing the
>cultural baggage of the song.
> He also mentions the inclusion of a silly prop (the hula hoop) and
expresses
>mock suprise at the loss.
> At this point Bullard comments on the sniping.
>
>Perhaps the hula-hoop company should be offended.
A couple of things:
Galindo is the only (prominent) openly gay figure skater.
The expression on Browning's face and tone of voice clearly indicated he was
fully aware of the cultural baggage of the song.
I think the best light that can be put on this is that Browning was trying
to make a joke about a competitor and came off as a bit insensitive.
The worst light is that after all this time, Browning still feels compelled
to demonstrate his masculinity by ragging on gays. He's not the first figure
skater to do it, and he won't be the last.
Chelsea Christenson
>
> Naomi Lloyd (ll...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu) wrote:
> : If the show's host thought Kurt was sniping there's a good chance
> : others did. It is difficult to imagine how Kurt could have gay men
> : as friends and decide to emulate a gay man on a comedy show. I guess
> : the litmus test would be if Kurt would have done this if the entire
> : audience consisted of gay men - would he have thought that they
> : would have found it funny? Did Rudy find it funny?
>
> entire comic skating routine around it. <shrug>
A couple points:
1. What Kurt Browning presumably emulated was the _stereotype_ of a gay
man, not a specific gay man. Otherwise, the audience wouldn't have
gotten the reference.
2. Rudy's YMCA routine includes a variety of behaviors. There's the
muscleman posing, the military marching, the disco dancing and the
ballet moves. Of the three, the ballet moves take up the least amount
of time (and also get the biggest laugh). So I can't say there's any
particular behavior that forms the basis of the routine.
Fred Williams
>I think people, including Kurt, need to be careful when emulating the
behavior
>of a group that has been mimicked and disparaged. Even to emulate an
>individual you have to identify traits unique to them and it is easy to
cause
>offense
This is true, it's best to be careful. Nevertheless, I doubt that Kurt
would do anything to insult anyone, let alone another skater. After all,
he's Canadian, eh?(:-))
It's more likely that Kurt is so comfortable in the skating community,
some of whom are gay and some aren't, that such hang-ups were forgotten. I
didn't see the incident, myself, but I've followed Kurt's skating, among
others, for many years now, and he's just not the type to do anything
intentionally mean to anyone.
--
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DesertRoaz
>
>In article <IRZN1.67$le1.38...@news.randori.com>,
>David Migicovsky <da...@see.sig> wrote:
>>This struck me as rather mean-spirited.
>
>mean-spirited things. Perhaps his mean streak is no worse than anyone
>else's, but he can have poor impulse control. I think he's impulsive
>rather than homophobic, partly because gay skaters have stated that
>Browning is gay-supportive. He may also have a problem with effeminacy,
>rather than with homosexuality (just speculating).
> Other skaters whose tastes have been ridiculed by Browning:
>Victor Petrenko, Brian Boitano, Alexei Urmanov.
>
>>with "queenie" tone and facial expression) YMCA. He came out with a hula
>>hoop and I won somehow. It was a tough (breaks off)
>
>Galindo's artistic program scores at the 1997 World Pros suffered not from
>the hoop, but from his less difficult jumps, and the fact that he repeated
>some jumps (repeated elements don't get scored). Browning's victory was
>not that easy. Galindo nearly tied him in the technical event, despite
>the utter lack of choreography in "Dancing with Myself" and the brilliant
>choreography of "Antares," because Galindo's jumps were perfect and
>Browning's were messy.
>
>
>remembered that Galindo existed. Nobody thought we'd ever see Galindo at
>the World Pros. But on the other hand, Galindo states on the record that
>some of Kristi Yamaguchi's Edmonton friends were cold and rude to him many
>years ago (1990 or so). Browning might have been one of them. The one
>time I saw Galindo and Browning at a press conference, their interaction
>seemed friendly and professional enough.
>
> Lorrie Kim
>
To be fair, Rudy Galindo when interviewed at a competition and asked about his
outlandish costumes and skating style, said he could be like the other guys and
"just skate around." So if he makes remarks like that, he might have to expect
to get some sniping in kind. Tho any homophobic content to the sniping is
totally uncalled for. Kurt stuck his foot in his mouth, unfortunately.
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CChriste said:
>
>2. Rudy's YMCA routine includes a variety of behaviors. There's the
>muscleman posing, the military marching, the disco dancing and the
>ballet moves. Of the three, the ballet moves take up the least amount
>of time (and also get the biggest laugh). So I can't say there's any
>particular behavior that forms the basis of the routine.
All of the movies you mentioned are included within the referenced "behavior",
all being different stereotypes of gay men: the muscle builders, the disco
dancers, the ballet dancers, and the navy, which has been the butt of gay
jokes.
Randy MacDonald
In article <g%tO1.42$vM3.14...@news.randori.com>, "David Migicovsky"
<da...@see.sig> wrote:
>A couple of things:
>
>Galindo is the only (prominent) openly gay figure skater.
>
>The expression on Browning's face and tone of voice clearly indicated he was
>fully aware of the cultural baggage of the song.
..perhaps only to the paranoid.
>I think the best light that can be put on this is that Browning was trying
>to make a joke about a competitor and came off as a bit insensitive.
>
>The worst light is that after all this time, Browning still feels compelled
>to demonstrate his masculinity by ragging on gays. He's not the first figure
>skater to do it, and he won't be the last.
..you mean his heterosexuality. Your equating homosexuality with loss of
masculinity seems inconsistent with your apparent goal of advocate.
Kaiju
Who in the heck is Mike Bullard? And why does he have fans?
Kaiju <only somewhat specious...YMMV...>
CKilyanek
As much as I like Kurt and think he's a genuinely nice guy and all...I have
heard him make some snide remarks about both Patrenko and Uramov that I thought
were a bit mean.
Ron Yaraskavitch
: Ellen B. Edgerton wrote in message <360a4...@news.syr.edu>...
: >: If the show's host thought Kurt was sniping there's a good chance others
: >: did. It is difficult to imagine how Kurt could have gay men as friends
: >: and
: >: decide to emulate a gay man on a comedy show.
But Kurt wasn't emulating a gay man. He was emulating Rudy's program to
help people recognize the skater he was talking about. Now, why is it
bad to be emulating something that looks so gay?
Or why does the program look so gay if that's what is being emulated?
: >: I guess the litmus test would be
: >: if Kurt would have done this if the entire audience consisted of gay
: >: men -
Well, yes he would because he was helping people recognize who he was
talking about.
: >: would he have thought that they would have found it funny? Did Rudy find
: >: it funny?
Did you ask Rudy?
: >Well, apparently Rudy finds such behavior funny enough to build an entire
: >comic skating routine around it. <shrug>
That's true, Rudy meant his program to do light hearted.
: Big difference for him to do it as one of his routines, and for Browning to
: do it.
Wait a minute. Your missing the point. It was about helping people
recognize who he was talking about, and the YMCA program has become a
signature piece for Rudy.
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David Migicovsky
>>The worst light is that after all this time, Browning still feels
compelled
>>to demonstrate his masculinity by ragging on gays. He's not the first
figure
>>skater to do it, and he won't be the last.
>
>..you mean his heterosexuality. Your equating homosexuality with loss of
>masculinity seems inconsistent with your apparent goal of advocate.
I said his masculinity and meant his masculinity. The equating of
homosexuality with loss of masculinity is done by those who rag on gays, not
by me. Most gays I know are somewhat more masculine than Browning.
Demonstrating his heterosexuality on television would be rather difficult,
even on "Open Mike."
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>Apropos absolutely nothing...
>
>Who in the heck is Mike Bullard? And why does he have fans?
>
>
Mike Bullard is the host of "Open Mike with Mike Bullard" and an inspiration
to fat, balding, hockey-hating guys everywhere.
PosterBoy
David Migicovsky wrote in message ...
>Kaiju wrote in message <360B6A1F...@NOSPAM.ecn.com>...
>>Apropos absolutely nothing...
>>
>>Who in the heck is Mike Bullard? And why does he have fans?
>>
>Mike Bullard is the host of "Open Mike with Mike Bullard" and an
inspiration
>to fat, balding, hockey-hating guys everywhere.
Bullard, and his show, was referred to in Roy Lee's post ref to the URL
reviewing CTV programs:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/docs/news/19980925/TruthRumours/STRUTH.html
This site said, referring to another show:
"Gallagher, an interview/entertainment show with host John Gallagher, has
been on the air for a month. It's pulling in about 160,000 viewers a show,
which is double the audience projected by TSN.
"A recent program in which Wayne Gretzky was a guest drew an audience of
273,000.
"Comparatively, Mike Bullard's talk show on the Comedy Channel had initial
ratings last year of about 100,000."
Personally, I am surprised at THAT many viewers; it's usually pretty
lame, IMO.
Cheers.
Kaiju
>
> Kaiju wrote in message <360B6A1F...@NOSPAM.ecn.com>...
> >Apropos absolutely nothing...
> >
> >Who in the heck is Mike Bullard? And why does he have fans?
> >
> >
>
> Mike Bullard is the host of "Open Mike with Mike Bullard" and an inspiration
> to fat, balding, hockey-hating guys everywhere.
Ah...I see. I think I'm sorry I asked, and more happy that I can't see
the show.
Kaiju
LV2SKT
>>As much as I like Kurt and think he's a genuinely nice guy and all...I have
heard him make some snide remarks about both Patrenko and Uramov that I thought
were a bit mean.>>>
Please, do tell what he said about them. I've seen many interviews with Kurt
and he has always been very pleasent and kind to his fellow skaters. Could you
please tell us what he said and when? Thanks.
Kurt fan!
creepygirl
(LV2SKT) wrote:
I don't know what he said about Petrenko, but here's a Kurt quote on
Urmanov from _Inside Edge_:
"He's got great jumps," Browning said, "and one of these days he might
step on the ice like a man and have a program that everyone's going to
have to take seriously. By using the term _man_, I mean a presence.
Standing out there for a reason, other than just being out there doing
what someone told you to do."
I love Kurt, but I think these remarks were unfortunate. Which doesn't
mean that I think he's evil桔ust that he's human, and like everyone else,
he sometimes says things that are less than completely gracious.
-cg
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Cid
I also recall Rudy Galindo's very unprofessional, conceited, comments in
the pro competition where Kurt won. Rudy said he should have gotten all
10s in artistic for his hola act. In another NG Rudy's complain caused
someone to go as far as to post that Rudy did not win because he is an
openly gay skater.
You are probably right that maybe Rudy was not as well liked as Kristy
among the other skaters in Canada because of his personality and not
because he is openly gay. People who are extremely anti gay and
prejudiced in general are likely to also be racially prejudiced, but
Kristy was well accepted. I suspect Rudy and some of his fans might be
the ones who have an anti-gay phobia. Everythng is due to prejudice
because of Rudy's gayness. I am not going to judge Kurt without hearing
the interview myself. Kurt is always joking about his wins by making
himself sound less talented than he is. Kurt was probably also making
fun of himself. In his book, Kurt has nothing but nice things to say
about his skating rivals like Victor Petrenko.
Cid
BK
Kaiju wrote:
Actually, Mike Bullard is a stand up comedian. He's really pretty funny. He can
get up on stage and just improvise. No pre-written scripted stuff. I suppose that
is why it was thought he'd make a good chat show host although I've never actually
seen the show myself.
Kel
WIsil
> >>As much as I like Kurt and think he's a genuinely nice guy and all...I
>have
>> heard him make some snide remarks about both Patrenko and Uramov that I
>thought
>> were a bit mean.>>>
> Please, do tell
>
>"He's got great jumps," Browning said, "and one of these days he might
>step on the ice like a man and have a program that everyone's going to
>have to take seriously.
There was one program that Browning was commentating where Urmanov was skating
and he was saying very mena things about his costume. I can't remember exactly
what it was, but it was pretty mean-spirited. Maybe someone else will
remember.
Wendy
"Pick a little, talk a little, pick a little, talk a little, cheep cheep cheep,
talk a lot, pick a little more!"
The ladies of River City
PosterBoy
aste...@mail.sdsu.edu wrote in message <6uhemm$8u9$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Regardless, Kurt, IMO doesn't fit the homophobe profile. However, I know
for
>a fact of 1 famous male skater who has earned this title hands-down!!! This
>skater has even gone as far as to spread rumors about male skaters having
>relationships with each other..and thought it was funny/cute. It wasn't at
>all AMUSING!
I don't believe you.
Sceptorcal.
aste...@mail.sdsu.edu
In article <19980925083527...@ng79.aol.com>,
ckil...@aol.com (CKilyanek) wrote:
As much as I like Kurt and think he's a genuinely nice guy and all...I have
heard him make some snide remarks about both Patrenko and Uramov that I
thought were a bit mean.
---------------------------------
Browning has never been a favorite of mine. I was further turned off by him
when:
(1) He did commentary with Dick Enberg at the 1994 Worlds In Chiba Japan, I
guess NBC agreed since I don't recall him doing the honors since then.
and
(2) When I viewed a Canadian-based documentary about him...the name escapes
me now. Based on the content, it was obviously made after the 1992 Olys
(France) and before 94 Olys. What a big turn off..his demeanor, and the whole
nine yards!
I remember in particular, Kurt was sooooo upset about his 92 Oly performance
in France that he left the games early. Furthermore, he wouldn't even speak
to his parents after arriving back in Canada. His own father stated on camera
that he himself, had to go through Kurt's lawyers and reps to speak to and
even find/ locate his own son!!!
Also, I remember him rolling his eyes at the choreographer who was assisting
him with his programs. He seemed very immature and frankly, he doesn't appear
to have changed much since then, at least in this regard.
Still yet, I yet to meet with and/or talk to a single Canadian who wasn't
very defensive/protective of Kurt, and there are plenty who vacation and/or
live here in California year-around. They seemingly have unconditional love
for him, regardless. I have always felt that he holds a special place above
any other skater in Canada, including Elvis. Maybe the Canadians here can
offer otherwise.
Yes, the following is gossip. If you don't like gossip, please don't read the
following:
One thing I've ALWAYS suspected...that Kristi Yamaguchi had more than just
friendly feelings for Kurt, as she was by his side grinning from ear-to-ear
in this documentary. However, the feeling obviously wasn't mutual... as we
all know he ended up marrying someone else.
Does anyone have the tape of Kurt winning the World Professional Championships
over Brian Boitano? Paul Wiley, I believe was 3rd. Kurt and Sonja were not yet
married. This was in 96 or 97????
At any rate, Sonja WAS giving evil eyes when Kristi gave Kurt a
congratulatory hug backstage. She and Kristi IGNORED each other. I had almost
laid to rest my suspicions that Kristi had a thing for Kurt until I saw this
exchange. Boy, oh boy If LOOKS could do damage, Kristi would have been in
trouble that evening.
astewart
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In article <19980925172612...@ng81.aol.com>,
lv2...@aol.com (LV2SKT) wrote:
>
(#1) As much as I like Kurt and think he's a genuinely nice guy and all...I
have heard him make some snide remarks about both Patrenko and Uramov that I
thought were a bit mean.
(#2) Please, do tell what he said about them. I've seen many interviews with
Kurt and he has always been very pleasent and kind to his fellow skaters.
Could you please tell us what he said and when? Thanks.
Kurt fan!
-----------------------------
The comment made by the Kurt fan in (#2) just serves in part, to prove a
point I made earlier: Across all AGES...you'll get more people ready to rise
up and defend Kurt Browning...in comparison to any other skater, in
particular Canadian fans.
Yes, EVERYONE has a right to express their opinions. However,
This is one skater who one better have the goods on before offering criticism.
I've been told by many Canadians that if you criticze him in Canada, you just
may be run out of the country.
It's a mystery to me, but he's got a such a long-lasting, long-sustaining
following of fans across ALL ages unlike I've ever seen for any skater! I'm
inclined to think it's because he's proven to Canadians (and many Americans)
to be so far above and beyond a passing fad.
About Kurt being a homophobe? I haven't heard any comments by him which would
indicate that is homophobic. References were made to Rudy Galindo..but one is
jumping to grand conclusions if they assumed that since Kurt was supposedly
rude to Rudy, that he did so because Rudy is gay. That doesn't rise to
challenge of proving Kurt is homophobic.
It's probably got more to their personalities being highly incompatible:
Rudy, being a straightforward, highly sensitive person would more than likely
be put off by someone who offers off-color jokes and who many times, utilizes
sarcasm to get thier points across....which is clearly in line with Kurt's
personality.
Regardless, Kurt, IMO doesn't fit the homophobe profile. However, I know for
a fact of 1 famous male skater who has earned this title hands-down!!! This
skater has even gone as far as to spread rumors about male skaters having
relationships with each other..and thought it was funny/cute. It wasn't at
all AMUSING!
astewart
Revjoelle
What I always think is so interesting when there is a story like this is that
you get two kinds of reactions.....
either "Oh this skater that I thought was so perfect has turned out to be
flawed and now I am so crushed and disappointed I will never respect him or his
skating ever again as long as I live"
OR
"Oh this skater I know is so perfect and would never ever in a million years do
this horrible thing you have accused him of--you must be wrong it couldn't
possibly be true"
There really are other options inbetween those two reactions :-)
Joelle
"Whoever you like is the best skater in the world."
Scott Hamilton
TCAXEL
Joelle:
>
>What I always think is so interesting when there is a story like this is that
you get two kinds of reactions.....
>
either "Oh this skater that I thought was so perfect has turned out to be
flawed and now I am so crushed and disappointed I will never respect him or
his skating ever again as long as I live"
>OR
>"Oh this skater I know is so perfect and would never ever in a million years
do
this horrible thing you have accused him of--you must be wrong it couldn't
>possibly be true"
>
>There really are other options inbetween those two reactions :-)
********************
Actually there have been varying responses from what I can see. And few have
been as skewed as you've portrayed them. But as with most skaters, the
posters predispostion come through as to how he/she interprets the actions of
Kurt. No great secret or revelation there.
TCAXEL (theo)
(Wondering aloud if one were to describe Rudy Galindo with an audience who
didn't know he was , what would one use? YMCA seemed as a good a bet as any)
Revjoelle
>
>Yes, the following is gossip. If you don't like gossip, please don't read the
>following:
>
The following is a comment on your gossip. If you don't like comments on your
gossip--please don't read the following....
<gossip snipped>
Actually that's not even gossip. It's just your imaginative fantasy based on a
few minutes of television. But thanks for sharing.
Randy MacDonald
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>
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Jusandra
>(2) When I viewed a Canadian-based documentary about him...the name escapes
>me now. Based on the content, it was obviously made after the 1992 Olys
>(France) and before 94 Olys. What a big turn off..his demeanor, and the whole
>nine yards!
I have that documentary on tape. What "demeanor" exactly are you
referring to? I saw nothing offensive in it.
>I remember in particular, Kurt was sooooo upset about his 92 Oly performance
>in France that he left the games early. Furthermore, he wouldn't even speak
>to his parents after arriving back in Canada. His own father stated on camera
>that he himself, had to go through Kurt's lawyers and reps to speak to and
>even find/ locate his own son!!!
That is simply not true. Kurt's depression was a result of his back
injury in 1992. Quite understandable, since it happened barely before
the Olympic games. He took the phone off the hook during his recovery
because of all the reporters calling him at all hours, which his
father stated plainly in the documentary.
>Also, I remember him rolling his eyes at the choreographer who was assisting
>him with his programs. He seemed very immature and frankly, he doesn't appear
>to have changed much since then, at least in this regard.
He NEVER rolled his eyes at his choreographer. On that day, he was
skating poorly (which he stated himself), and was disgusted with
himself.
>Still yet, I yet to meet with and/or talk to a single Canadian who wasn't
>very defensive/protective of Kurt, and there are plenty who vacation and/or
>live here in California year-around. They seemingly have unconditional love
>for him, regardless. I have always felt that he holds a special place above
>any other skater in Canada, including Elvis. Maybe the Canadians here can
>offer otherwise.
They probably have to be defensive, when the occasional person comes
out with out-and-out lies and deliberate misinterpretations of his
actions.
>Yes, the following is gossip. If you don't like gossip, please don't read the
>following:
Well, I interpreted it as slander, but whatever ...
>One thing I've ALWAYS suspected...that Kristi Yamaguchi had more than just
>friendly feelings for Kurt, as she was by his side grinning from ear-to-ear
>in this documentary. However, the feeling obviously wasn't mutual... as we
>all know he ended up marrying someone else.
Spare me. I've never seen Kristi act any differently towards Kurt
than she does any other skater. She's always hugging Scott Hamilton,
too. Does that mean Scott should marry her too?
>Does anyone have the tape of Kurt winning the World Professional Championships
>over Brian Boitano? Paul Wiley, I believe was 3rd. Kurt and Sonja were not yet
>married. This was in 96 or 97????
>
>At any rate, Sonja WAS giving evil eyes when Kristi gave Kurt a
>congratulatory hug backstage. She and Kristi IGNORED each other. I had almost
>laid to rest my suspicions that Kristi had a thing for Kurt until I saw this
>exchange. Boy, oh boy If LOOKS could do damage, Kristi would have been in
>trouble that evening.
That's silly. You can't interpret one look into total animosity.
Sonja has always been very supportive of Kurt's career and friendships
within it.
Jenny
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Sk8Maven
> >Does anyone have the tape of Kurt winning the World Professional
> >Championships over Brian Boitano? Paul Wiley, I believe was 3rd.
> >Kurt and Sonja were not yet married. This was in 96 or 97????
"The" tape? Kurt has won that event *three times* -- 1995, 1996, and
1997. Paul did *terribly* in 1995 (due to injury just before the
competition) and 1996 (lingering effects of said injury plus a lot of
jerking-around by Candid), and declined an invitation for last year. I
believe Viktor was third all three times -- I don't recall him ever
doing *better* than third at Landover. Sonja's been there consistently,
and no one has ever reported anything but gracious conduct from her.
I have no idea what the previous person was talking about.
Maven
Jusandra
wrote:
Unfortunately, the cameras caught Sonja at a moment when she wasn't
grinning from ear to ear. Naturally, that means that she hated
someone, or was furious at someone. Geez Maven, didn't you know that?
;-)
jinx
http://www.lehigh.edu/~dg04/images/josee/kt-josee58.jpg
jinx
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aste...@mail.sdsu.edu
(Revjoelle) wrote:
>
Yes, the following is gossip. If you don't like gossip, please don't read the
following:
The following is a comment on your gossip. If you don't like comments on your
gossip--please don't read the following....
>
> <gossip snipped>
>
Actually that's not even gossip. It's just your imaginative fantasy based on
a few minutes of television. But thanks for sharing
------------------------
Still yet, with your pontificating, you yourself, just couldn't resist.
aste...@mail.sdsu.edu
(#1) I have that documentary on tape. What "demeanor" exactly are you
referring to? I saw nothing offensive in it.
-----------------------------------
I don't even think we're talking about the same video. I was
turned-off/put-off by his attitude. OFFENSIVE is a term you inserted here,
all on you own. Kurt rolled his eyes at the choreographer, video, among other
things. I was simply put off by his overall attitude.
(#2) That is simply not true. Kurt's depression was a result of his back
injury in 1992. Quite understandable, since it happened barely before
the Olympic games. He took the phone off the hook during his recovery
because of all the reporters calling him at all hours, which his
ather stated plainly in the documentary.
-------------------------------------
In this video, it did detail his back injury. It also showed him going
through treatment, etc. In particular, referring to the 92 Olys, is when his
father was interviewed on the farm. It had nothing to do with the back
injury...it was about his disappointing Oly performance, etc.
(#3) He NEVER rolled his eyes at his choreographer. On that day, he was
> skating poorly (which he stated himself), and was disgusted with
> himself.
-------------------------
KURT IS BEYOND ROLLING HIS EYES? I don't want to burst your bubble. But, Kurt
DID roll his eyes at the choreographer...plain and simple.
(#4)They probably have to be defensive, when the occasional person comes
out with out-and-out lies and deliberate misinterpretations of his actions.
--------------------------
Out-and-out lies? Boy, oh boy...are you going overboard or what? Regardless
of how you choose to defend Browning, I know what I saw. If you don't choose
to agree, that's your business.
(#5) Well, I interpreted it as slander, but whatever ...
----------------------
Do you even know what slander is? If you did, certaintly you wouldn't have
accused me of it. EXACTLY WHO AM I slandering in reporting what was plain to
see on a video camera? If you want to talk about slander, why don't you go
after all those people who started rumors about Kurt being gay and/or a
homophobe...some right here on rissf. I certainly wasn't one of them. PLEASE,
GET REALLLLLLL!
(#6) Spare me. I've never seen Kristi act any differently towards Kurt
than she does any other skater. She's always hugging Scott Hamilton,
too. Does that mean Scott should marry her too?
-----------------------------------
Again..you're throwing in things from no where? Who besides yourself said
that Browning SHOULD have married Kristi because she gave him a hug?
HELLO..ANYBODY HOME? DID YOU EVEN SEE THE TAPE? I doubt it. At any rate, you
can call it anyway you want...and so can I!
(#7) That's silly. You can't interpret one look into total animosity. Sonja
has always been very supportive of Kurt's career and friendships within it.
-----------------------
Who said anything about ONE LOOK? I guess you know better since you're close
personal friends of all parties involved, yeah.....right!
One thing is certain, you don't appear to know much about body language.
Perhaps, you've never even heard of the expression: IF LOOKS COULD KILL?
Bottom line, you're at a disadvantage, since you're offering opinions about
videos you've obviously never seen.
aste...@mail.sdsu.edu
(#1) "The" tape? Kurt has won that event *three times* -- 1995, 1996, and
1997. Paul did *terribly* in 1995 (due to injury just before the
competition) and 1996 (lingering effects of said injury plus a lot of
jerking-around by Candid), and declined an invitation for last year.
----------------------------
I'm referring to one year in particular, which I believe was in 1996,
especially since you've reported that Wiley did not compete in 1997.
(#2) Sonja's been there consistently,and no one has ever reported anything but
gracious conduct from her.
----------
I don't recall anyone saying that Sonja wasn't gracious. I simply reported
what I saw.... she gave Kristi a dirty look when she ugged Kurt. It's on tape
for the world to see it as well.
aste...@mail.sdsu.edu
from ear to ear.
-----------------
Funny,.,,that MOMENT just happened to be when Kristi was giving her then
finance a congratulatory hug. Wow..how convenient!
Trudi Marrapodi
videotapes? BTW, it's SONIA, not Sonja. She's not Norwegian. Sheesh.
Trudi
Vespertine
astewart the "legal expert" writes:
<<Still yet, with your pontificating, you yourself, just couldn't resist.>>
Now class, this is an example of "irony". The very idea that a bag of hot air
- full of sound and fury, signifying nothing - like astewart should accuse
anyone else of "pontificating" is ironic in the extreme!
What a loser! First she is fantasizing about Tara Lipinski, and now Kurt.
My, my, why don't you go write a brief or "follow a complex contract case from
inception to defense at trial", or some of the other bogus crap you claim to
do?
Vespertine
Now class, today we are going to be studying really bad lawyering styles - you
know, those jerks who fancy themselves to be articulate and intelligent, but
are really losers. Today we will be studing one of our finest examples,
astewart. In order to be effective, successful, and respected attorneys, you
must carefully study astewart, and then do exactly the antithesis.....
-
Example one:
This is an example of getting events confused, and then trying to blame it on
your opponent. Notice the BIG LETTERS. astewart has to shriek and scream to
try to get her message across, because no one listens to her stupid comments.
This should not be done."
Example:<<KURT IS BEYOND ROLLING HIS EYES? I don't want to burst your bubble.
But, Kurt DID roll his eyes at the choreographer...plain and simple.>>
Then there is the snide comment and use of hyperbole when one doesn't have
anything else to say. This is very strongly disfavored by most good attorneys,
and judges loathe it. It is also referred to as Hot Air syndrome, or
Assholiness:
Example: <<Out-and-out lies? Boy, oh boy...are you going overboard or what?
Regardless of how you choose to defend Browning, I know what I saw. If you
don't choose to agree, that's your business.>>
Furthermore, there is theattempt to try and turn the tables so that
youropponent looks like they are in the wrong - unfortunately astewart does
this without any finesse or talent. Some bad attorneys can do it and you could
becompletely snowed! But with astewart, it's so heavy handed and jejune that
you notice it right away. Sigh.Sorry I dont' hvae a better, less heavy-handed
and immature example, but here is what we have:
Example <<Do you even know what slander is? If you did, certaintly you wouldn't
have
accused me of it. EXACTLY WHO AM I slandering in reporting what was plain to
see on a video camera? If you want to talk about slander, why don't you go
after all those people who started rumors about Kurt being gay and/or a
homophobe...some right here on rissf. I certainly wasn't one of them. PLEASE,
GET REALLLLLLL!>>
And finally, the perfect example of an alleged attorney making an utter and
complete ass of themselves, astewart shrilly and irritatingly proses and
shrieks on about nothing at all. To shriek or not to shriek, that is the
question. Just read the astewart comment provided below and you will easily and
confidently make up your mind to avoid such unattractive tactics:
Example <<Again..you're throwing in things from no where? Who besides yourself
said
that Browning SHOULD have married Kristi because she gave him a hug?
HELLO..ANYBODY HOME? DID YOU EVEN SEE THE TAPE? I doubt it. At any rate, you
can call it anyway you want...and so can I!
Who said anything about ONE LOOK? I guess you know better since you're close
personal friends of all parties involved, yeah.....right!
One thing is certain, you don't appear to know much about body language.
Perhaps, you've never even heard of the expression: IF LOOKS COULD KILL?
Bottom line, you're at a disadvantage, since you're offering opinions about
videos you've obviously never seen.>>
Now class, all together: astewart is obviously.........
a loser!
a jerk!
an idiot!
a fool!
a bore!
a nutcase!
Merde!
a pompous ass!
Very good, class! Now, for your homework, using astewart as an example,
discuss the results of a case in which astewart represents Ann Lewis in a
defamation case. Why will astewart pompously and erroneously think she will
win? How are astewart and ann lewis alike? 1000 words or less.
Cid
speaking about Urmanov's skating. I have not read Kurt's comment on
Urmanov, but I do recall Kurt saying something similiar about himself. I
do not recall the exact interview, but I do recall Kurt saying that all
he wanted for his last Olympics was not so much the gold, but to go out
there and skate like a man. He did not want to hold anything back
because of fear. He wanted to skate great for the audience at the
Olympics. Kurt also used the word "ballsy" when describing how he, Kurt,
wanted to skate. It is likely that Kurt was simply talking like Kurt
when he spoke about Urmanov skating like a man (meaning doing what he,
Urmanov, wanted on the ice). We cannot put Kurt's words in the contex
of our choise if he explains how he meant to use the word. We cannot
expect for Kurt to adjust the way he, harmlessly, usually uses certain
words to express himself because what he says will be placed in the
context of what others have said about Urmanov or anyone else. We cannot
hold Kurt responsible for other people's prejudices.
Regarding Kurt's joke of Rudy Galindo's number, it was Rudy himself who
made his number (YMCA) comical. Rudy turned a number about being
masculine (YMCA) and did a ballet step in the middle of it. Kurt could
have simply been echoing Rudy's intend at a joke ( the highlight of
Rudy's (YMCA number) rather than making fun at gays or Rudy. At that
point Kurt was probably laughing more with Rudy than at him.
The part about how he, Kurt, somehow won also sounds, in part, just like
Kurt putting himself down and joking that somehow he managed to win.
I already posted how part of Kurt's comment about the hola hoop could
have been due to Galindo's most unprofessional remarks during a pro
competition where Kurt won. I could never imagine Kurt saying that he
deserved all 10s. Maybe Kurt felt Galindo had it coming, and Kurt's
comment about the hola hoop had nothing to do with being cruel or a
homophobe. Kurt might have just been saying,what I myself thought, that
Rudy's hola hoop number was not all that Rudy claimed it to be when Rudy
had the " I should have gotten all 10's" tantrum.
Cid
693...@ican.net
209150250050.clarityconnect.net>,
started spelling it with an "i", but it is the "i" spelling which now
appears on the National Ballet of Canada roster.
Hazel
PosterBoy
693...@ican.net <693...@ican.net> wrote in message
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>In article <trudiwantsnospam-2609981722290001@cci-
>209150250050.clarityconnect.net>,
> trudiwan...@clarityconnect.com (Trudi Marrapodi) wrote:
>> Sheesh, have you people got nothing better to do than hyperanalyze
>> videotapes? BTW, it's SONIA, not Sonja. She's not Norwegian. Sheesh.
>>
>> Trudi
>>
>Until recently, Sonja spelled her name with a "j". I'm not sure why she
>started spelling it with an "i", but it is the "i" spelling which now
>appears on the National Ballet of Canada roster.
>
"Typo?", Hazel ???
Cheers.
Trudi Marrapodi
> In article <trudiwantsnospam-2609981722290001@cci-
> 209150250050.clarityconnect.net>,
> trudiwan...@clarityconnect.com (Trudi Marrapodi) wrote:
> > Sheesh, have you people got nothing better to do than hyperanalyze
> > videotapes? BTW, it's SONIA, not Sonja. She's not Norwegian. Sheesh.
> >
> > Trudi
> >
> Until recently, Sonja spelled her name with a "j". I'm not sure why she
> started spelling it with an "i", but it is the "i" spelling which now
> appears on the National Ballet of Canada roster.
Seriously? I didn't know Sonja was ever spelled with a "j" in Latin
America (although the sound would be the same). Hmm...
Trudi
Barbara Hoffman
> > Until recently, Sonja spelled her name with a "j". I'm not sure why she
> > started spelling it with an "i", but it is the "i" spelling which now
> > appears on the National Ballet of Canada roster.
>
> Seriously? I didn't know Sonja was ever spelled with a "j" in Latin
> America (although the sound would be the same). Hmm...
I, too, am surprised that a Spanish name meant to be pronounced "Sone-ya"
would be spelled with a J. A Spanish J is pronounced much like an English H.
"Sone-ya" could be spelled Sonia or Sonya, but not Sonja. If I saw Sonja in
print as a Spanish name, I would assume it to be pronounced "Sone-ha."
Barbara
"668 - Neighbor of The Beast."
Sun...@my-dejanews.com
Rudy's
> program was *the* highlight of the night (and the vast majority of the
audience
> agreed). His use of the hoop was creative and unique, while Kurt recycled
> Brickhouse and had half the jumps that Rudy did.
I also thought the hoop was very original and imaginative, especially when he
let it down to the ice and he did a jump.
I guess most of us have had our share of ungraceful and unflattering times.
Rudy and Kurt have had some of that. It is human. But both of them are
genuine kind people and terrific skaters most of the time, then I guess it is
alright.
Sunbean.
Eda Tseinyev
> > Until recently, Sonja spelled her name with a "j". I'm not sure why she
> > started spelling it with an "i", but it is the "i" spelling which now
> > appears on the National Ballet of Canada roster.
>
> Seriously? I didn't know Sonja was ever spelled with a "j" in Latin
> America (although the sound would be the same). Hmm...
Considering how many spellings I have seen of "normal English" names
like Michael or Jennifer in the U.S., I think it is within the realm of
possibility that people in other countries can use variant spellings for
names TOO (even if this will subject their children to years of getting
their names spelled or pronounced wrong in school). For instance, maybe
it was "Eurochic" for a year in whatever country Sonia's family is from
to name your daughter Sonia but spell it "Sonja."
Oh dear, this isn't skating-related at all. Hmmm...
Could the media have coined the phrase "The Battle of the Brians" if one
had been spelled Bryan? What would they have done????
Sonya Lee McCallum
On 29 Sep 1998, Trudi Marrapodi wrote:
> In article <36100A9A...@erols.com>, bar...@erols.com wrote:
>
> > Trudi Marrapodi wrote:
> >
> > > > Until recently, Sonja spelled her name with a "j". I'm not sure why she
> > > > started spelling it with an "i", but it is the "i" spelling which now
> > > > appears on the National Ballet of Canada roster.
> > >
> > > Seriously? I didn't know Sonja was ever spelled with a "j" in Latin
> > > America (although the sound would be the same). Hmm...
> >
> > I, too, am surprised that a Spanish name meant to be pronounced "Sone-ya"
> > would be spelled with a J. A Spanish J is pronounced much like an English H.
> > "Sone-ya" could be spelled Sonia or Sonya, but not Sonja. If I saw Sonja in
> > print as a Spanish name, I would assume it to be pronounced "Sone-ha."
> >
> > Barbara
>
> I thought about that, but...does it really seem to matter? Not from what
> I've seen. I have seen more Latin females named "Sonia" than "Sonja."
> Don't ask me why.
>
> Trudi
>
>
I can't believe I am going to respond to this .... I don't post for
months and then I post about this, but heck, it's my name too!!
And it isn't like we have any real skating to talk about!!
I am pretty sure Kurt's wife's name is Sonia .... pronounced Sawn-ya. Son
rhymes with Lawn ... it isn't Sone as in bone, or sewn. (UGH!!! Sone-ya
sounds so bad ... to me at least!).
Wanna know why I know ...... after Kurt's short in the 1994 Olympics, he
was sitting in the "kiss and cry" and he said "I love you, Sonya. I wish
you were here". As someone with a fairly substantial crush on Kurt, I
couldn't help by notice that he said MY name ... okay, not my name, his
then-girlfriend's name - but I will take it how I can get it! My
boyfriend and my friends got quite a laugh over my glee!!!!!! Anyway, it
was definitely pronounced MY way.
The multiple pronunciations of the name are a sort point for many
Sonya/Sonia/Sonjas!!!
Cheers!!!
Sonya (Sawn-ya)