People Mag on Ilia Kulik and Ekaterina Gordeeva
Maria
--
-Maria
Robert Dister
"Maria" <m...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Katya has definitely undertaken grand genetic experiment as far as
producing potential figure skaters, having produced a set of
half-sisters with Olympic Gold Medalist parents. There must be a fair
number of kids with Gold Medalist parents, but have any of them taken up
skating seriously? None of Carol Heiss and Hayes Jenkins children became
skaters. I don't recall Irina Rodnina and Alexander Zaitsev's
child/children becoming skaters. Did Pakhamova and Gorshkov, the
Protopovs, Linichuk and Karponosov, or Valova and Vasiliev ever have
children that became skaters at some even minor competitive level?
TFBWWW
>producing potential figure skaters, having produced a set of
>half-sisters
hordeeva also attempted to breed to curt browning.
TFBWWW
~August 1, 1999 - the day my prayers were answered!~ hehehe
Stacey
"Kulik" (and what that form is)? I know in Russia this is the case
with some names, as in the tennis playing sister and brother Cyril Suk
and Helena Sukova.
Thanks,
Stacey
Caroline Migneault
same for men and women, so the baby will be Elizaveta Kulik. Daria, on the
other hand, is Daria Grinkova, because her name is a true Russian surname
that changes according to sex.
--
--
Caroline
----
If anything were to happen between Buffy and Spike,
it would neither be `oh my God, she's completely flipped'
nor would it be `aww, hearts and flowers, love and love'.
It would be in an icky, moral quagmire somewhere in
between. Which is a place that the Buffy program is
happy to go.
(Jane Espenson)
"Stacey" <cjb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:26d7e02f.01070...@posting.google.com...
TFBWWW
wrong. her last name will be hordeeva since she is illiagetimate. and in
russia illiagetimate children can not have a patronimic either.
JBERNB2
>Gordeeva)
>From: Robert Dister
>There must be a fair
>number of kids with Gold Medalist parents, but have any of them taken up
>skating seriously?
I wonder if Dick Buttons and Slavka Kahout's children, ever skated in
competition. I think it's rare that children continue in the foot steps (skate
blades) of their accomplished Champion skater parents. There have some,
Natasha K. sorry can't remember last name she skated pairs with Todd Sands.
Her parents were skaters in Ice Capades. Oh gees there has to be more
David
>Date: 7/7/2001
>I think it's rare that children continue in the foot steps (skate
>blades) of their accomplished Champion skater parents. There have some,
>Natasha K. sorry can't remember last name she skated pairs with Todd Sands.
>Her parents were skaters in Ice Capades. Oh gees there has to be more
>
Yuka Sato comes to mind. So does Fedor Andreev.
David
>Message-id: <20010707011553...@ng-mf1.aol.com>
>
>>From: jbe...@aol.com
>
>>Date: 7/7/2001
>
>>I think it's rare that children continue in the foot steps (skate
>>blades) of their accomplished Champion skater parents. There have some,
>>Natasha K. sorry can't remember last name she skated pairs with Todd Sands.
>>Her parents were skaters in Ice Capades. Oh gees there has to be more
>>
Oh, I am sorry, I should have added this too: It was Natasha Kuchiki who skated
with Todd Sand (watch out for that Phantom S!) ;-)
David
Tina Kramer
"David" <cassiss...@aol.comeNoSpam> wrote in message
news:20010707012306...@ng-mf1.aol.com...
Laurance Owen, U.S. Ladies Champion of 1961 and one of those killed in that
plane crash which wiped out the entire U.S. Figure Skating team, was Maribel
Vinson's daughter.
Tina
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Ellen Arnold
> Laurance Owen, U.S. Ladies Champion of 1961 and one of those killed in that
> plane crash which wiped out the entire U.S. Figure Skating team, was Maribel
> Vinson's daughter.
>
To add to what Tina wrote, both of her daughters, Laurence and Maribel, were
national champions, Laurence in ladies' singles and "young Maribel" in pairs.
Maribel herself was a nine-time US ladies' single champion and also won six
national pairs championships.
The dedication to her book reads "To my skating family: Mother, Father, Husband
and Daughters who have engendered and sustained my great love of figure
skating." I don't know anything about her parents and husband; perhaps some
other Owenophile out there does.
Another linkage (although non-genetic): Maribel Owen coached Frank Carroll and
he has been quoted that he considers her his mentor.
Ellen
Hattie54
>I wonder if Dick Buttons and Slavka Kahout's children, ever skated in
>competition.
No , Edward and Emily Button are involved and interested in plays and stage
productions .Think they are in their late 20's now . Button said in the IFS mag
that the daughter had a Masters degree in theater and was working on a play in
Scotland last year .
Harriet
Podium99
>he has been quoted that he considers her his mentor.
>
>Ellen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Podium99
>russia illiagetimate children can not have a patronimic either.
>
>TFBWWW
>~August 1, 1999 - the day my prayers were answered!~ heh
is this true? now this is interesting. tell me more. i really whant to know.
boy this would really be awful. for the baby. i don't reakky have a strong
opinion about unwed mothers but having a baby that would not be able to take
the fathers name is a nother matter even if she is born here.
Ellen Arnold
> >another linkage (although non-genetic): Maribel Owen coached Frank Carroll and
> >he has been quoted that he considers her his mentor.
> >
> >Ellen
> >
> >as far as a skater he was no body. so we can count him out.
> >
Point of clarification, please! This comment about Frank Carroll's skating career
was not part of my original posting but -- at least on my news server -- looks as
if it was. In any event, even if Carroll "was nobody" as a skater, he's definitely
been somebody as a coach, and so Vinson Owen's talents have been transmitted in
another, IMHO equally important, way.
Ellen, who is perhaps overly sensitive to the possiblity of being flamed and is
trying to head it off at the pass :-)
Podium99
>is
>trying to head it off at the pass :-)
>
teaching must have taken effect
>
>
>
>
>
Jennifer Lyon
their father's patronimic. In other cases, the mother chooses one
for them (i.e. her own, that of another relative, or if she
remarries the child may have its stepfather's patronymic). Since
Katia's baby was born in the USA, she can give it any name--
first, middle, and last-- that she pleases.
----------
In article <20010707153413...@ng-mn1.aol.com>,
Locutus of Borg
>Point of clarification, please!
Poddy doesn't care about clarity. Poddy delights in commenting within the first
caret to look like it's vile commentary is part of the original poster's words.
There's another poster who likes to sign his name right above the original
quoted poster's sig, which I also find annoying. Such is life, though...
Anyway, don't sweat it. Poddy won't quit, and I think we were paying pretty
good attention to who the insult came from. Of course, by "we" I refer to me
and all the mind-controlled drones I guide in rssif. ;^)
Peg
27vfl00aml
Amy
making them a three generation skating family. And, of course, we can only wonder
if the girls would have had skating-oriented kids.
I guess this makes me an "Owenophile." :)
Amy
Ellen Arnold wrote:
> To add to what Tina wrote, both of her daughters, Laurence and Maribel, were
> national champions ...Maribel herself was a nine-time US ladies' single champion
Jocelyn
they were competitively, or if they were only show skaters. I have a photo of
them somewhere.
Jocelyn
Ellen Arnold
> Maribel's husband Guy skated pairs with her. I don't recall how successful
> they were competitively, or if they were only show skaters.
I know that Maribel won the national pairs championship six times and the North
American pairs championship at least once; I don't know who her partner(s)
was/were.
Ellen
Ron Ng
>"Kulik"
The baby is a bastard.
Ron Ng Knows!
Ron Ng
She ought to give the baby up for adoption.
Ron Ng Knows!
Ron Ng
>producing potential figure skaters
All she does is sleep around. Based on diarias lack of skating ability, this
latest bastard child will also have no talent.
Ron Ng Knows!
NN
born in or outside of marriage. Actually, all of us Russians have
patronimics; it is an obligatory part of our legal names. So little
Liza will most definitely be Elizaveta Ilyinichna. Although she may
not need a patronimic at all, since she is born American.
As for last name, the law in Russia allows complete freedom of choice
here. She can take mother's name or father's name, and parents don't
have to be married for a child to have a father's last name.
Moreover, a child can take any last name herself once she reaches 18.
On the other hand, all of that can be irrelevant, since the child is
American by citizenship, although Russian by blood. Hope that helps!
NN
Amy
time to look up if that was in singles or pairs). The couple skated together
professionally.
Maribel's mother skated some but I don't think was really advanced. In Maribel's
1960 book (in which Laurence was among those demonstrating moves), MVO mentioned
her 79-year-old mother still skated and people were alarmed when they saw her fall
(but she knew how to fall "correctly.")
There are a number of people lurking here who could add further details. :)
If you branch out from the original topic (gold medalists' children) there are
other families which have produced quite a few skating talents. Think of John
Hughes, a championship college hockey player producing two girls who are
(respectively) elite & near-elite figure skaters (and sons who are fairly serious
hockey players from what I understand).
Amy
Ellen Arnold wrote:
--
"The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else."
Martina Navratilova
TFBWWW
>born in or outside of marriage.
wrong. illiagetimate russien children do not have a patranimic.
michael farris
A question. Is it just me or does everyone else (that has enough free time to
think about these things) think that Ron Ng and TBWW(whatever) are one person.
It's a real downer to think that _two_ people could be so unfortunate ... and
neither has the integrity to use a real name (unless Ron Ng is Cantonese, but I
can't picture a male writing those ..... whatever you want to call them)
I _should_ just kill-fill both of them and let them suffer away from my screen,
but ...
-mike farris
janet swan hill
>think about these things) think that Ron Ng and TBWW(whatever) are one
>person.
No. But there are many who believe mumbles to be a reincarnation of an
earlier noisome troll.
>I _should_ just kill-fill both of them and let them suffer away from my
>screen,
>but ...
It's certainly increased *my* newsgroup reading pleasure.
janet
NN
>
> TFBWWW
> ~August 1, 1999 - the day my prayers were answered!~
Obviously, somebody daydreamed during spelling lessons at school.
bagelpuss
Well, judging from the fact that neither of them know how to spell,
they both frequently mis-spell the same words, and they seem to
disappear and reappear at the same time.......
TFBWWW
well at least i know about patronimics. illiagetimate russian children can not
have a patronimic.
PIreneP
> illiagetimate russian children can not
>have a patronimic.
Wrong. Any person who is born in the former Soviet Union has to have a
patronimic. That at least hold true for the Russian, Ukrainian, and
Byelorussian citizen.
Jocelyn
>Wrong. Any person who is born in the former Soviet Union has to have a
>patronimic. That at least hold true for the Russian, Ukrainian, and
>Byelorussian citizen.
But was Elizaveta born in Russia or the US? I'm pretty sure it is the latter.
Jocelyn
Althealeo
She was born in the U.S. Which means, I think, that Gordeeva can name her
anything she wants....she may choose to follow Russian practice or not.
-- Kate
TFBWWW
and she was illiagetimate.
NN
> >>But was Elizaveta born in Russia or the US? I'm pretty sure it is the
> latter.>>
>
> She was born in the U.S. Which means, I think, that Gordeeva can name her
> anything she wants....she may choose to follow Russian practice or not.
>
> -- Kate
Kate,
you are right that Elizaveta was born in the U.S., which makes the
patronimic discussion somewhat academic. What I was explaining below
related to the standard rules of the patronimic concept, i.e. what her
patronimic would have been if she had been born in Russia, and the way
it is for all kids in Russia. A common way of transforming
patronimics in the U.S. is give a middle initial..following that logic
she would be a Elizaveta I. Kulik (or Gordeeva). Bottom line is, you
are right that Katia and Ilia may or may not follow the patronimic
practice - it's their choice completely.
TFBWWW
>
but she is illiagetimate and that is a fact not a choice.
Ruth Lafler
TFBWWW wrote:
> >She was born in the U.S.
>
> and she was illiagetimate.
>
Actually, she wasn't. According to the article, the baby was born in
California. California does not recognize the concept of illegitimacy.
Birth certificates in California do not indicate whether the parents are
married: they list the father's name and the mother's maiden name,
period.
And in case you think this is a new age touchy feely California thing,
it's been that way since 1915. I did some quick web research and came up
with the following:
"The California Congress of Mothers was
instrumental in
promoting and securing passage of many important
laws.
Among them was a landmark Birth Registration law
(Senate Bill 511) in 1915; this provided for the
"complete
and accurate registration of all births within
36 hours and
deaths within 72 hours, and omission of the
words
'legitimate or illegitimate' from birth
certificates."
(California Congress of Mothers and
Parent-Teachers Associations Yearbook,
1915-1916.)
"California thus became the first state to go on
record
against branding for life a child in no way
responsible for
his parentage."
I think we all could take something from that last sentence!
--Ruth <who doesn't usually respond to trolls, but thought this
information was worth passing along>
bagelpuss
> record
> against branding for life a child in no way
> responsible for
> his parentage."
>
> I think we all could take something from that last sentence!
>
> --Ruth <who doesn't usually respond to trolls, but thought this
> information was worth passing along>
This is called "progressive thinking," a concept obviously lost on many...
Hattie54
>that the Canadian officers at Fort Erie Customs and Immigration probably
>refer to me behind my back as "Ice Show Lady."
>
>Trudi
>
There are many Americans that don't even have a passport . I have crossed the
Canadian border a few times and once they only said a drivers lisense was
enough but I still had my passport with me .
Harriet
Ruth Lafler
> Ruth Lafler wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > I did some quick web research and came up
> > with the following:
> >
> > "The California Congress of Mothers was
> > instrumental in
> > promoting and securing passage of many important
> > laws.
> > Among them was a landmark Birth Registration law
> >
> > (Senate Bill 511) in 1915; this provided for the
> > "complete
> > and accurate registration of all births within
> > 36 hours and
> > deaths within 72 hours, and omission of the
> > words
> > 'legitimate or illegitimate' from birth
> > certificates."
>
> Very interesting, but when's the last time anyone ever saw a birth
> certificate that actually said "legitimate" or "illegitimate" on it anyway?
>
> My notarized photocopy of my original Ohio birth certificate (which I
> was still using regularly to make trips into Canada, because I don't
> have a passport--before just a year or so ago when it got too tattered
> and I decided to request a new one, which they gave me on a neat new
> computer printout on specially watermarked paper) doesn't state that my
> parents were married. Yes, it has a space for my mother's "maiden name,"
> and the space is filled, but nowhere does the original document overtly
> say that my parents were married when I was born, nor does it contain a
> place to mark the birth status "legitimate" or "illegitimate." And that
> was the early '60s.
>
> I suspect that in most states, even the allegedly less progressive ones
> such as Ohio, the concept of "legitimacy status" hasn't been included on
> a birth certificate for a long, long time.
I'm guessing that's true (although you never know what might be
illegal in some states), but how many people actually know that?
People think all kinds of stupid things about documents. Don't you
want to scream when someone on TV or in the movies suggests a woman
should sneak a look at a guy's driver's license to see if he's
married? What state has a person's marital status on their driver's
license?
OB skating: Has a skater ever missed a competition because s/he didn't
have the right documents to enter/leave the country? Like all those
Caribbean ballplayers who are late for spring training because of visa
problems.
--Ruth
Sandra Loosemore
> OB skating: Has a skater ever missed a competition because s/he didn't
> have the right documents to enter/leave the country?
Yeah, I remember that Koegel & Fediukov had some problems of this sort
before he got his US citizenship. And a few years ago, Krylova &
Ovsiannikov were stuck in Russia for several months because they were
having problems with getting new visas to return to the US after they
carelessly let their old ones expire.
-Sandra
Morgan Dhu
>My notarized photocopy of my original Ohio birth certificate (which I
>was still using regularly to make trips into Canada, because I don't
>have a passport--before just a year or so ago when it got too tattered
>and I decided to request a new one, which they gave me on a neat new
>computer printout on specially watermarked paper) doesn't state that my
>parents were married. Yes, it has a space for my mother's "maiden name,"
>and the space is filled, but nowhere does the original document overtly
>say that my parents were married when I was born, nor does it contain a
>place to mark the birth status "legitimate" or "illegitimate." And that
>was the early '60s.
FWIW, my original birth certificate, from Nova Scotia, Canada, 1955,
does not indicate the marital status of my parents either, nor is
there any place for any indication of my "legitimacy."
- Morgan Dhu
==============================================================
If you have two loaves of bread, sell one and buy a hyacinth.
==============================================================
Vespertine
<<
My notarized photocopy of my original Ohio birth certificate (which I
was still using regularly to make trips into Canada, because I don't
have a passport--before just a year or so ago when it got too tattered
and I decided to request a new one, which they gave me on a neat new
computer printout on specially watermarked paper) doesn't state that my
parents were married.>>
Humm. Is the Canadian border more stringent in your neck of the woods? Because
I have been to Canada many times, and I've never had to produce passport or
birth ceritificate, and only once have had to show a driver's license.
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life - music and cats." --
Albert Schweitzer
Ron Ng
>I have been to Canada many times, and I've never had to produce passport or
>birth ceritificate, and only once have had to show a driver's license.
Maybe you're not suspicious.
Ron Ng Knows!
Sandra Loosemore
> Humm. Is the Canadian border more stringent in your neck of the
> woods? Because I have been to Canada many times, and I've never had
> to produce passport or birth ceritificate, and only once have had to
> show a driver's license.
I've crossed the Canadian border from the US many times, in the
process of attending skating events. My experience has been that when
the amount of rigamarole you have to go through depends on your method
of transportation. When driving across in a car, it seems they never
do more than ask your citizenship, where you are headed, and whether
you are bringing anything with you -- I've never been asked to produce
ID of any kind. If you take the bus across the same border checkpoint
(e.g., the Detroit-Windsor tunnel bus), everybody has to get off the
bus, go through customs, and get back on the bus. In this case, it
much expedites matters if you can produce proof of citizenship. And,
if you fly across the border, you have to go through the full customs
stuff with filling out paperwork and standing in long lines in the
airport, and I don't think the airlines will even let you get on the
plane without proof of citizenship. OTOH, I once crossed the border
by boat, and I don't recall that there was any customs processing at
all involved with that.
I have yet to try crossing the border by train, blimp, submarine,
elephant, or dog sled. :-) Or, (obskating) on ice skates. :-)
-Sandra
Hattie54
>I have been to Canada many times, and I've never had to produce passport or
>birth ceritificate, and only once have had to show a driver's license.
Vespertine
Sounds like the bars and beer in Binghampton is pretty boring and folks cross
the border to find a better drink . <G>
Harriet
Althealeo
the border to find a better drink . <G> >>
The border to Pennsylvania? Scranton isn't exactly a thrill, either. :)
(Check a map, Hattie.)
-- Kate
Hattie54
>
>(Check a map, Hattie.)
>
>-- Kate
I am talking about NY State as Trudi we all know lives in Binghampton .
Harriet
Locutus of Borg
Well, maybe that's the problem, Kate. Hattie is talking about some fictional
town of Binghampton. If she looked on a map for that, she'd be out of luck
learning where Trudi's town really is.
Peg, drove there for a pro-am, and while it's nearer to Canada than Texas, I
wouldn't exactly call it bar-hopping range
27vfl00aml
Hattie54
>Well, maybe that's the problem, Kate. Hattie is talking about some fictional
>town of Binghampton. If she looked on a map for that, she'd be out of luck
>learning where Trudi's town really is.
>Peg,
Upstate NY is pretty dreary anyway , esp in the winters. Someone told me once
they saw Trudi's adress in the yellow pages online . LOL
Harriet
Althealeo
>>Well, maybe that's the problem, Kate. Hattie is talking about some fictional
town of Binghampton. If she looked on a map for that, she'd be out of luck
learning where Trudi's town really is.>>
:) :) (and double :) for the contractions comment, Peg.)
Hattie:
> Upstate NY is pretty dreary anyway , esp in the winters.>>
Au contraire. One word: Adirondacks.
-- Kate
Trudi Marrapodi
rlaf...@home.com (Ruth Lafler) wrote:
> Trudi <marrapodw...@binghamton.edu> wrote in message
news:<3B4F3C01...@binghamton.edu>...
> > [snip]
> > I suspect that in most states, even the allegedly less progressive ones
> > such as Ohio, the concept of "legitimacy status" hasn't been included on
> > a birth certificate for a long, long time.
>
> I'm guessing that's true (although you never know what might be
> illegal in some states), but how many people actually know that?
> People think all kinds of stupid things about documents. Don't you
> want to scream when someone on TV or in the movies suggests a woman
> should sneak a look at a guy's driver's license to see if he's
> married? What state has a person's marital status on their driver's
> license?
I don't think I've ever seen such a show, but I wouldn't be surprised if I
did...of course, I have seen many shows in which it was key to the plot
that someone would marry an American just to become a U.S. citizen. Which
also isn't possible (as we previously discussed here when Gorsha Sur was
still having citizenship problems when competing el, and some people
asked, "Why doesn't he just marry Renee Roca?"). You can get a green card
that way, and be legal to live and work in the USA, but you cannot get
U.S. citizenship through marriage alone. And it's hard to even get a green
card that way, because the government is suspicious and will quiz you up
one way and down the other to make sure it's not just a marriage of
convenience.
> OB skating: Has a skater ever missed a competition because s/he didn't
> have the right documents to enter/leave the country? Like all those
> Caribbean ballplayers who are late for spring training because of visa
> problems.
Well, I do know Chen Lu had immigration problems once trying to get into
Canada for one of Brian Orser's benefit shows. She got delayed at the
border and skated like crap in the afternoon performance. The evening
performance went much better.
--
Trudi
"Asps. Very dangerous. You go first."
Trudi Marrapodi
vespe...@aol.com (Vespertine) wrote:
> Trudi writes:
>
> <<
> My notarized photocopy of my original Ohio birth certificate (which I
> was still using regularly to make trips into Canada, because I don't
> have a passport--before just a year or so ago when it got too tattered
> and I decided to request a new one, which they gave me on a neat new
> computer printout on specially watermarked paper) doesn't state that my
> parents were married.>>
>
> Humm. Is the Canadian border more stringent in your neck of the woods?
Because
> I have been to Canada many times, and I've never had to produce passport or
> birth ceritificate, and only once have had to show a driver's license.
The border discriminates based on your mode of travel. If you're in a
private vehicle, you almost never have to produce any documents to prove
your citizenship--they take your word for it, especially if the vehicle
has plates from a U.S. state. But if you take an intercity bus, you
usually have to get off of it with all your stuff and get "processed"--and
that includes producing proof of citizenship. (At least this is the case
at Fort Erie, Ontario. I have sometimes crossed at other points and not
had to get off.) On the trains, the officers come onto the train and work
their way through it.
What's more, a driver's license is definitely not considered sufficient
proof. It's birth certificate or passport--or if you're not from the U.S.
or Canada, passport and visa. Many's the time I've seen people left behind
because their visas had expired.
The U.S. side is worse. I've never had my stuff searched on the Canadian
side (except for one bizarre occasion when they asked to see how much
money I'd brought with me--I can only conclude they were looking for
someone who resembled my description), but usually on the U.S. side they
look through your bags.
ObSkating: Usually, all U.S. Customs finds in my bags when I come back
from Canada is an SOI program.
Hattie54
>> Upstate NY is pretty dreary anyway , esp in the winters.>>
>
>Au contraire. One word: Adirondacks.
>
>-- Kate
Yup ! My hubby was born in upstate NY . His Dad hated it and moved to LA to get
away from the long winters .
Harriet
WIsil
>>number of kids with Gold Medalist parents, but have any of them taken up
>>skating seriously?
For some reason, I think I heard somewhere that Valova's son was skating with
Vasiliev's daughter? Does anyone have an information on this, or was I
misinformed?
Ron Ng
>they saw Trudi's adress in the yellow pages online .
what does turdi sell to end up in the yellow pages?
Ron Ng Knows!
Vespertine
<<I've crossed the Canadian border from the US many times, in the
process of attending skating events. My experience has been that when
the amount of rigamarole you have to go through depends on your method
of transportation. When driving across in a car, it seems they never
do more than ask your citizenship, where you are headed, and whether
you are bringing anything with you -- I've never been asked to produce
ID of any kind. >>
Ah, that explains it, then. I always driving when I go to Vancouver.
<< OTOH, I once crossed the border
by boat, and I don't recall that there was any customs processing at
all involved with that.>>
Acutally, now that I think about it, when I went to Victoria (from Anacortes,
WA), I did go through customs. But no one had to have a passport or birth
certificate. That's the one time they asked to see my driver's license.
Ruth Lafler
Althealeo wrote:
And Cooperstown. Very pretty town, very pretty lakes in that area. Not far from
Binghamton (although I don't know where it is in relation to "Binghampton"). I'm a
California girl, and I'd take that area over LA any day (although it is too cold
in the winter and too humid in the summer).
OB skating: ummm ... I'm looking forward to another visit to the skating hall of
fame this October.
--Ruth
Hattie54
>> > Upstate NY is pretty dreary anyway , esp in the winters.>>
>>
>> Au contraire. One word: Adirondacks.
I did enjoy my half day visit to Lake Placid in the summer of 1999, even tho it
was 95 degrees that day . We toured the ice rinks and met Russ Weatherby ( sp)?
He was real nice .
Harriet
Nikki Rademan
Some of this may also depend on when your crossing and, unfortunately,
whether you look "American" to the officials. I live in Buffalo and
have crossed many times and had no problems. However, friends of mine
crossed into Quebec the week before the trade conference and said that
every car that had one person that was either a member of a racial
minority or looked "foreign" was stopped and really given the third
degree. My friend, who was born in the US, is
half-Italian/half-Jewish but has been mistaken for Greek or Indian.
She and her husband were stopped for over an hour, their car was
searched and they were given a very hard time about the fact that she
kept her maiden name. Apparently the INS officials had never heard of
such a thing.
Nikki
MJsk8
>if you fly across the border, you have to go through the full customs
>stuff with filling out paperwork
My favorite question on that form you fill out is "Are you transporting any
bees?"
MaryJo
MJsk8
>side
If you look like you are going in to fish they will search your car quite
thoroughly. My husband fishes in Canada every year and every year they are
stopped and their car is torn apart. They are mostly looking for drugs and
alcohol being smuggled in. On the way back they are looking for fish, as there
is a limit on how many can be brought out.
MaryJo
Margaret Burwell
When driving across the border, going into the US they want to know if you
have any citrus fruit. Coming back to Canada they ask if you have any
firearms.
Marg
Hattie54
>half-Italian/half-Jewish but has been mistaken for Greek or Indian.
>She and her husband were stopped for over an hour, their car was
>searched and they were given a very hard time about the fact that she
>kept her maiden name. Apparently the INS officials had never heard of
>such a thing.
>
>Nikki>
What a shame !!! I bet if she was blue eyed and blond, she would have less
problems . I had a friend that was full German with olive skin and black hair .
He lived in Calif. His wife was Mexican but he is the one that got asked all
the questions when they crossed the border back to Calif. His last name was
German too .
Harriet
Trudi
[snip]
> Some of this may also depend on when your crossing and, unfortunately,
> whether you look "American" to the officials. I live in Buffalo and
> have crossed many times and had no problems. However, friends of mine
> crossed into Quebec the week before the trade conference and said that
> every car that had one person that was either a member of a racial
> minority or looked "foreign" was stopped and really given the third
> degree. My friend, who was born in the US, is
> half-Italian/half-Jewish but has been mistaken for Greek or Indian.
> She and her husband were stopped for over an hour, their car was
> searched and they were given a very hard time about the fact that she
> kept her maiden name. Apparently the INS officials had never heard of
> such a thing.
They must have heard of it, Canadians do it too...they were just being
suspicious and "profiling" the way they sometimes do when they're
looking for someone on the lam or concerned about certain nationalitiesT
trying to enter the country to cause trouble. I think that's why I have
sometimes had problems--I'm a half-Italian-half-German American, but I
look very Greek. Of course, by this time they know me so much for my
SKATING trips that they practically have a "Welcome Trudi" sign up on
the Fort Erie customs building. "Say hi to Brian for us."
Trudi
Pat C
<marrapodw...@binghamton.edu> wrote:
>Nikki Rademan wrote:
>> She and her husband were stopped for over an hour, their car was
>> searched and they were given a very hard time about the fact that she
>> kept her maiden name. Apparently the INS officials had never heard of
>> such a thing.
Trudi:
>They must have heard of it, Canadians do it too...they were just being
>suspicious and "profiling" the way they sometimes do when they're
>looking for someone on the lam or concerned about certain nationalitiesT
>trying to enter the country to cause trouble.
Keeping your birth name is very common in Canada. They just picked a
very bad time to cross into Quebec-Ontario.
I've either cruised thru both sides no problem, or been detained for
long periods of time. It depends on what's happening. Sweat happens.
Margaret Burwell
Trudi (marrapodw...@binghamton.edu) writes:
> Nikki Rademan wrote:
> [snip]
>> However, friends of mine
>> crossed into Quebec the week before the trade conference and said that
>> every car that had one person that was either a member of a racial
>> minority or looked "foreign" was stopped and really given the third
>> degree. My friend, who was born in the US, is
>> half-Italian/half-Jewish but has been mistaken for Greek or Indian.
>> She and her husband were stopped for over an hour, their car was
>> searched and they were given a very hard time about the fact that she
>> kept her maiden name. Apparently the INS officials had never heard of
>> such a thing.
>
> They must have heard of it, Canadians do it too...
Not only that, it is the law in Quebec that a married woman keeps her
maiden name unless she goes to court to have it legally changed.
Marg
Ted Chihara
>
> <<I've crossed the Canadian border from the US many times, in the
> process of attending skating events. My experience has been that when
> the amount of rigamarole you have to go through depends on your method
> of transportation.
My experience has been that it depends upon your stated purpose in going
to Canada. I used to travel to Edmonton regularly to meet with a Canadian
colleague to conduct research and sometimes to give a lecture. If you are
honest and explain why you are entering Canada and admit that you will be
paid an honorarium and/or expenses, then Immigration frequently would make
you cool your heels for no apparent purpose other than to harass you. I
guess they didn't like Americans coming into Canada and taking money out.
This occurred regularly until my hosts started writing specific letters
addressed to immigration and explaining the purpose of my visit. These
trips were by air travel, but one time I combined business with pleasure and
drove to a meeting where I would present a paper and some expenses would
be paid. I got the same runaround. I told the immigration officer after
I was finally allowed to proceed that the next time, I would simply lie
and say I was going to drive to the national parks (which was true). I've never
had even a slight delay when crossing for pleasure trips (which I've
done a number of times).
I also taught in Canada two years and never had any delays travelling back
and forth on vacation except once I got a little delay from U. S. immigration .
I think I had let my hair grow too long (no kidding).
Ted Chihara
Sara Glidden
on my departure, the customs agent fired off a series of questions about my
travel, and then ended with "what is your hair color?" I responded
with"when?" and he laughed and sent me on my way.
Obskating: I'm going to Calgary soon, and I hope I can see some of the
Olympic sites.
Sara
Trudi Marrapodi
chi...@calumet.purdue.edu (Ted Chihara) wrote:
> vespe...@aol.com (Vespertine) wrote in message
news:<20010715141246...@ng-mh1.aol.com>...
> > Sandra writes:
> >
> > <<I've crossed the Canadian border from the US many times, in the
> > process of attending skating events. My experience has been that when
> > the amount of rigamarole you have to go through depends on your method
> > of transportation.
>
> My experience has been that it depends upon your stated purpose in going
> to Canada. I used to travel to Edmonton regularly to meet with a Canadian
> colleague to conduct research and sometimes to give a lecture. If you are
> honest and explain why you are entering Canada and admit that you will be
> paid an honorarium and/or expenses, then Immigration frequently would make
> you cool your heels for no apparent purpose other than to harass you. I
> guess they didn't like Americans coming into Canada and taking money out.
[snip]
Solution? Tell them you're going to see skating. Works every time. :-)
Fiona McQuarrie
also depend on whether a
suspected terrorist has recently passed through the border or not.
The guy who just got convicted of the plot to blow up the LA airport on
New Year's Day 2000 entered the US through a Canadian border crossing not
far from where I work. The week he was arrested, there were two-hour
lineups on both sides of the border for a crossing that usually takes
five to ten minutes, because the customs officers were being so careful
with every single car and foot passenger.
Also, if you travel by bus (as Sandra mentioned), be prepared to be
grilled much more intensely than if you are travelling by car. The few
times I have taken the bus to Seattle have been to go to skating
competitions, and every time I had had to unpack my bag, show my skates,
and answer a lot of questions about how long I am staying and when I will
be returning to Canada. On the other hand, when I have driven to Seattle
for competitions, I have zipped right through the border with no problem
(and usually with a wish of "good luck" from the customs officer).
Cheers, Fiona
Shillelagh
"Nikki Rademan" <nik...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:366cccdb.01071...@posting.google.com...
>
> Some of this may also depend on when your crossing and, unfortunately,
> whether you look "American" to the officials. I live in Buffalo and
> have crossed many times and had no problems. However, friends of mine
> crossed into Quebec the week before the trade conference and said that
> every car that had one person that was either a member of a racial
> minority or looked "foreign" was stopped and really given the third
> degree. My friend, who was born in the US, is
> half-Italian/half-Jewish but has been mistaken for Greek or Indian.
> She and her husband were stopped for over an hour, their car was
> searched and they were given a very hard time about the fact that she
> kept her maiden name. Apparently the INS officials had never heard of
> such a thing.
>
> Nikki
Baloney - in Quebec the woman keeps her maiden name upon marriage.
Shelagh
Althealeo
practically have a "Welcome Trudi" sign up on the Fort Erie customs building.
"Say hi to Brian for us.">>
Chuckle. Well, that ought to answer anyone who thinks you're incapable of
diplomacy.
-- Kate
Morgan Dhu
>Some of this may also depend on when your crossing and, unfortunately,
>whether you look "American" to the officials. I live in Buffalo and
>have crossed many times and had no problems. However, friends of mine
>crossed into Quebec the week before the trade conference and said that
>every car that had one person that was either a member of a racial
>minority or looked "foreign" was stopped and really given the third
>degree. My friend, who was born in the US, is
>half-Italian/half-Jewish but has been mistaken for Greek or Indian.
>She and her husband were stopped for over an hour, their car was
>searched and they were given a very hard time about the fact that she
>kept her maiden name. Apparently the INS officials had never heard of
>such a thing.
>
If by "trade conference" you mean the Summit of the Americas, there
was extensive and extreme screening of people at border crossings
prior to and during the Summit, because the government wished to
prevent any occurance of the kind of demonstrations that happened at
the GTO conference in Seattle. Customs officials were stopping almost
everyone on almost every pretext imaginable.
Sometimes I really dislike the things my government does. This was one
of those times.
OBSkating:... er... hang on a minute, I'm thinking... if we do
eventually have a Free Trade Area of the Americas foisted upon us,
does that mean we'll be able to talk more seriously about trading a
few U.S. women singles skaters for some Canadian pairs? Or will we
both have to send our third ranked skaters to Mexico?
- Morgan Dhu
==============================================================
If you have two loaves of bread, sell one and buy a hyacinth.
==============================================================
Fred Goss
to be one of the quietest backwaters on the border..normally crossing
is absolutely no hassle..going to Canada they are concerned about
firearms and if "you are going to leave anything in Canada" returning
to the US officials only appear to care about duty free liquor...I
think if I wanted to smuggle plastic explosives or cocaine into the
US, I'd freely tell the officials I had two bottles of liquor and they
would just waive me in to pay the duty w/out further questions.
But the week of the Quebec City conference we had both OPP (Ontario
police) and the RCMP (Mounties) in force and had to go through two
sets of questions.
I have traveled many times to Canada on business...they are concerned
that people coming might be taking "jobs" away from Canadians..."never
tell them you are coming on business or have business materials with
you" my hosts advised. But what confused them was while I was
presenting seminars on a couple occasions, I was doing it as a part of
my job and not being paid specifically anything by the Canadians for
doing it. I heard, itmay not be true, that Gloria Steinem was once
barred entrance when she was going to make a speech...presumably for a
nice fee...on the grounds that a Cdn feminist could have been employed
for the job.
Fred
Rick
<20010715141246...@ng-mh1.aol.com>...
>Sandra writes:
>
><<I've crossed the Canadian border from the US many times, in the
>process of attending skating events. My experience has been that when
>the amount of rigamarole you have to go through depends on your method
>of transportation. When driving across in a car, it seems they never
>do more than ask your citizenship, where you are headed, and whether
>you are bringing anything with you -- I've never been asked to produce
>ID of any kind. >>
>
> Ah, that explains it, then. I always driving when I go to Vancouver.
>
>
><< OTOH, I once crossed the border
>by boat, and I don't recall that there was any customs processing at
>all involved with that.>>
>
> Acutally, now that I think about it, when I went to Victoria (from
Anacortes,
>WA), I did go through customs. But no one had to have a passport or birth
>certificate. That's the one time they asked to see my driver's license.
My sister once took the ferry from Victoria to Port Angeles. US customs
asked her if some aspirin she had was the stuff you can get OTC in Canada
with codeine. She said it wasn't, and then joked that if she knew you could
get it, she would have. They apparently didn't have much of a sense of humor
and spent two hours tearing her car apart to search it.
>"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life - music and
cats." --
>Albert Schweitzer
Albert Schweitzer never met my cat. I sometimes need to find refuge from
him. Like every night when I don't want to wake up at 4am.
- Rick
Amy
I have no idea what started this thread but did anyone know/mention the story
about Sarah Hughes being detained at Vancouver customs before Worlds? Per an
article I read at the time: she was walking alone, ahead of her coach, and the
Candian customs agent was suspicious of a 15-year-old who seemed to be
traveling by herself.
In the article, Sarah said the agent asked if she had "a note from her mommy."
:D
In all their travels to Europe and Japan, they'd never encountered a problem
with Sarah traveling sans parents - until then. She and her coach were taken
off to speak with another official, whereupon they explained in detail about
Worlds ("Michelle Kwan is going to be there; so is Elvis Stojko" !!).
Maybe from now on Sarah could just carry a picture of herself on the podium. :)
Amy
--
No one wants to hear about the labor pains, but everyone wants to see the baby.
DG511
writes:
>>"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life - music and
>cats." --
>>Albert Schweitzer
>
>Albert Schweitzer never met my cat. I sometimes need to find refuge from
>him. Like every night when I don't want to wake up at 4am.
(OT paragraph, but I have an obskating below.) Rick, cats in the wild become
active an hour or two before their first kill (meal) of the day. In domestic
cats, that means that they start bouncing around an hour or two before their
owners feed them. So if you want to sleep past 4 a.m., move your cat's
breakfast time back as far as you can. If you leave your home at 8 to go to
school/work, for instance, feed the cat at 7:55. That way, the cat will let
you sleep until 6 or 7 a.m. Trust me, this works, although the cat won't like
the first week of the delayed feeding time and will fuss about it. After that,
you'll be in great shape.
Obskating: What's the most unreasonable or oddest time a championship
competition has taken place? And why did it occur at that time?
Daria
Virginia Blalock
>Obskating: What's the most unreasonable or oddest time a championship
>competition has taken place? And why did it occur at that time?
I seem to recall that Brian Boitano skated his long program at 88
nationals at something like 10 PM.. am I remembering right?
Sandra Loosemore
Actually, it was something like 1am. 10pm is a fairly "normal" hour
for the last group of skaters at Nationals to be on the ice. The
problem in 1988 was a combination of a delay due to a huge traffic jam
outside the arena because of another event going on nearby, and delays
because people in the arena were throwing so much junk on the ice and
the skaters were going around personally collecting flowers from
people at the boards. (The next year the USFSA revised the
competition protocol to require skaters to leave the ice "without
undue delay", and they also completely banned the sale of flowers in
the arena for a time.)
At the other end of the scale, at 1993 Nationals, they had the junior
men's free skate scheduled for about 8 in the morning. I'm normally a
big fan of junior men, but I had to give that one a miss -- I had a
terrible case of the flu at that competition, and by the end of the
week I was feeling too wiped out to drag myself out of bed that early
in the morning.
-Sandra
janet swan hill
>> >competition has taken place?
>Actually, it was something like 1am. [when Brian Boitano skated his long
program at Denver nationals] 10pm is a fairly "normal" hour
>for the last group of skaters at Nationals to be on the ice.
In 1993 (I think), when Precision Nationals were in Detroit, my team had its
official practice at about midnight one night downtown, had its unofficial
practice at 6:00 am at Saint Clair Shores, did the first round at about 11:00
am, and the final at close to midnight.
In 1996 (I think) when Precision Nationals were in Chicago, my team had its
official practice scheduled for 1:00 am, but it was delayed and took place at
2:30 am. Competition the next morning was at about 10:00 am.
It doesn't make for the best possible performance.
janet
Pat C
>
>Obskating: What's the most unreasonable or oddest time a championship
>competition has taken place? And why did it occur at that time?
>
>Daria
Skate Canada in 1984 in Victoria, B.C.
The ice was so soft the paint was coming thru. So they suspended the
men's comp until 1:30 in the morning.
Pat C
MaraEL3
>she would be a Elizaveta I. Kulik (or Gordeeva).
If Katya uses her legal last name (rather than what I assume is her "stage
name"), wouldn't the name be Elizaveta Grinkova?
Mara
While I was and am still a sinner, Christ died for me.
Hattie54
>I seem to recall that Brian Boitano skated his long program at 88
>nationals at something like 10 PM.. am I remembering right?
>
I think it was more like midnight ?
Harriet
TFBWWW
that is stupid. sergie is dead so he could not have sired her. illya
supposedley sired her but he refuses to marry hordeeva.
TFBWWW
~August 1, 1999 - the day my prayers were answered!~
Ron Ng
She could have taken a sperm sample before he got too cold.
>illya
>supposedley sired her but he refuses to marry hordeeva.
True and so sad for the little illyiagetintimate baby!
Ron Ng Knows!
Vespertine
<<>"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life - music and
cats." --
>Albert Schweitzer
Albert Schweitzer never met my cat. I sometimes need to find refuge from
him. Like every night when I don't want to wake up at 4am.>
LOL!! This made me laugh!!
Stephanie Smith
news:3B4AC9B8...@amu.edu.pl:
> A question. Is it just me or does everyone else (that has enough
> free time to think about these things) think that Ron Ng and
> TBWW(whatever) are one person.
I keep thinking it's a bot.
--Steph Smith (hi, Fiona!)
janet swan hill
>> free time to think about these things) think that Ron Ng and
>> TBWW(whatever) are one person.
No. At a few times in the past (admittedly VERY few, and it was years ago)
when "Ron" has actually talked about skating, it appeared that "he" knew at
least a little something about it. Mumbles appears to know nothing whatever
about skating. I also can't explain why I think this, but it seems to me
that they come from different parts of the country. But since I started
filtering both of these (you should forgive the expression) people about 6
months ago, these impressions may have been contradicted by something they've
written recently.
janet
