The Pedophilia Troll is Busy
Gina
(Louis Epstein) wrote:
> I got a bunch of emails from him quoting a message of mine and
> then ranting about love of raping children in the past 24 hours.
> Anyone else?
Yep--got one earlier today.
Patrick Kelly
e-mail for me. He was quite upset as are we. Aren't the Feds on the Net
looking for people like this?
Patrick in Baltimore
Franklin Romero
Louis,
I also have gotten these emails. I have just setup Outlook to delete
those messages off of the server whenever they are sent to me. As a backup
measure I have also had Prodigy specifically block out messages from that
email address. I suggest that you contact your ISP about implementing
similar measures.
Frank
Louis Epstein wrote in message ...
Shallah
So far I have been spared but I looked up some stuff that you all who have
gotten this sicko spam might want to look into for reporting this. I got
the following from Andrew Vachss's website here:
http://www.vachss.com/help/menu_frm.htm
<a href="http://www.vachss.com/help/menu_frm.htm">menu</a> for How to Report
Child Pornography Online and otherwise National and International
Nationwide
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION (FBI)
Innocent Images Initiative
Baltimore Division
11700 Beltsville Drive, Calverton MD 20705
Phone: 301-586-4519 (business hours)
Phone: 301-586-4500 (until midnight)
Email: balt...@fbi.gov
URL:
http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/balt/major.htm#innocent
Operation Innocent Images identifies and develops
prosecutable
cases on individuals who use Bulletin Board Systems
(BBS) to
victimize children. FBI agents and task force
officers, who pose as
young children or sexual predators, go online to
investigate those
individuals who recruit minors into illicit sexual
relationships,
electronically distribute pornographic images of
children, or post
illegal images onto the Internet.
NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN
Exploited Child Unit
2101 Wilson Boulevard, Suite 550, Arlington, VA
22201-3077
Phone: (703) 235-3900
Toll-free 24-hour Hotline: (800) THE-LOST
Fax: (703) 235-4067
URL: http://www.missingkids.com
CHILD EXPLOITATION AND OBSCENITY SECTION
Criminal Division
U.S. Department of Justice
1331 F Street NW, 6th Floor, Washington DC 20004
Phone: 202-514-5780 Fax: 202-514-1793 The Child
Exploitation and
Obscenity Section (CEOS) of the Criminal Division,
U.S.
Department of justice, has supervisory responsibility
for Federal
statutes covering obscenity, child exploitation, child
sexual abuse,
activities under the Mann Act, sex tourism, missing
and abducted
children, and child support recovery. Created in 1987,
CEOS is a
specialized section composed of attorneys with broad
expertise in
prosecuting obscenity, child exploitation, and child
abuse. CEOS's
jurisdiction is limited to enforcement of Federal
statutes. Section
attorneys work with U.S. Attorneys on child
exploitation cases
across the country, providing litigation and support
services. They
also provide training, both domestically and
internationally, for
prosecutors, judges, attorneys, law enforcement, and
victim service
systems. CEOS's attorneys advise task forces on
missing and
abducted children, child abuse, sex offender
recidivism and
registration, and youth placement. CEOS works with
victim-witness
offices of the U.S. Attorney's offices.
CHILD PORNOGRAPHY REPORTING HOTLINE
U.S. Customs Service Child Pornography Enforcement
Program
Toll-free: (800) BE-ALERT
E-mail: icp...@customs.treas.gov
URL: http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/enforcem/child.htm
The U.S. Customs Service is the country's front line
of defense in
combatting the illegal importation and proliferation
of child
pornography. You can help by reporting any information
you have
about this hideous material by calling the toll-free
hotline.
INTERNATIONAL CHILD PORNOGRAPHY INVESTIGATION
AND COORDINATION CENTER
U.S. Customs Service
1300 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20229
E-mail: icp...@customs.treas.gov
URL: http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/enforcem/cpep.htm
Contact the U.S. Customs Service to report websites,
individuals,
servers, or chat rooms trafficking in suspected child
pornography.
Please forward as much information as possible about
the persons
involved, including e-mail addresses, FTP sites, etc.
U.S. CUSTOMS SERVICE
Cyber Smuggling Center
11320 Random Hills Road, Suite 400, Fairfax VA 22030
Phone: 703-293-8005
URL: http://www.customs.ustreas.gov
The Cyber Smuggling Center's main focus is to patrol
the Internet
for signs of the illegal importation and proliferation
of child
pornography or of sexual exploitation of children. The
center
conducts all Internet investigations from a central
location.
U.S. POSTAL INSPECTION SERVICE
475 L'Enfant Plaza West SW, Washington DC 20260
Phone: 202-268-4286
URL: http://www.usps.gov:80/postalinspectors/
The U.S. Postal Inspection Service, often working with
such
agencies as the Child Exploitation and Obscenity
Section of the
U.S. Department of Justice and the National Center for
Missing and
Exploited Children, conducts undercover operations to
investigate
individuals who use the Internet or a Bulletin Board
Service to
exchange pornography or who correspond with others who
do the
same. In some undercover operations, postal inspectors
contact
suspects via computer networks and the Internet.
Individuals who
use the U.S. Mail for the actual exchange of material
or for initial
contact are subject to investigation.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am not sure who you all should be reporting this stuff too but have a look
at these resources and most likely if you ask they would tell you who would
is appropriate to report this stuff too.
Shallah hoping the info is of help....
Louis Epstein
Rina J.
Regina1 wrote:
>
>Yep--got one earlier today.
>
>
>
Add me to the list. Already complained to WebTV.
~~Pete Sampras: In a class all his own~~
Jaguars rule Football! 2000 World Champs!
"and he thought he heard the echoes of a pennywhistle band, and the laughter
from a distant caravan"
OperettaJK
dayd...@aol.comandgetit (Rina J. ) writes:
>Add me to the list. Already complained to WebTV.
I reported him to ab...@global.net.uk again. Last time they assured me
appropriate action has taken.
Jas
Daffy
l...@put.com (Louis Epstein) wrote:
> I got a bunch of emails from him quoting a message of mine and
> then ranting about love of raping children in the past 24 hours.
> Anyone else?
>
I think he's hitting every fracking Email address that posts to this group.
I got one of his messages, as well.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Smallovian Insider
>I got a bunch of emails from him quoting a message of mine and
>then ranting about love of raping children in the past 24 hours.
>Anyone else?
Yup, and passed along to the various abuse addresses. With headers.
Peg
reply to p.egl...@aol.com [re move the obvious ext ra dots]
==
join OT-r...@onelist.com - for off-topic discussions. Send an email to
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Opal
this? What should I do?
Shallah wrote in message <841fqt$ecq$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
Randy Simcox
> > I got a bunch of emails from him quoting a message of mine and
> > then ranting about love of raping children in the past 24 hours.
> > Anyone else?
Yep, got one too (but only one)... I didn't get one the last go around but he
found me this time.
Pretty sick dude.
Randy
LYADL
it.
Louis Epstein
:
: Louis,
: I also have gotten these emails. I have just setup Outlook to delete
: those messages off of the server whenever they are sent to me. As a backup
: measure I have also had Prodigy specifically block out messages from that
: email address. I suggest that you contact your ISP about implementing
: similar measures.
: Frank
I *AM* my ISP.
While I maintain a banned.domains list from which email will be refused
by my server,I don't have any address-pinpointed filter in place.And I
can't see refusing all mail from the guy's host.
: Louis Epstein wrote in message ...
: >I got a bunch of emails from him quoting a message of mine and
:
:
Louis Epstein
:
: So far I have been spared but I looked up some stuff that you all who have
: gotten this sicko spam might want to look into for reporting this. I got
: the following from Andrew Vachss's website here:
: http://www.vachss.com/help/menu_frm.htm
: <a href="http://www.vachss.com/help/menu_frm.htm">menu</a> for How to Report
: Child Pornography Online and otherwise National and International
These emails,however,don't qualify as "child pornography".
They're just expressions of offensive sentiment.
Of course,if you choose to treat them as confessions of sex crimes,
the guy deserves all the investigation he can hande and then some...
Roger Halstead
He's just somebody's kid playing with mom's computer.
Set your e-mail filters to ignore him based on not only who sent it, but on
a few key words in the message and you'll never see them
You can also set the filters in some readers to forward e-mail to a specific
address. Most ISPs have an abuse address and you could forward all those
e-mails to that.
If you're using internet explorer, or a recent Netscape and have a problem
setting them up, drop me a note and I'll explain how to set them up.
--
Roger (K8RI)
N833R CD-2 (World's Oldest Debonair?)
http://users.tm.net/rdhalste
"Opal" <bp...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
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Roger Halstead
messages from that name as well as some of the key words in the content.
If you are using Internet Explorer/Outlook Express, or Netscape and have
problems setting it up and don't have a source for computer help, drop me a
not and I think I can talk you through setting them up.
Or...There are likely many readers of the NG who could also help.
If the demand is such (although off topic) I could post a general
description as to how to do it, but it's not a good idea to post just how
you have a filter set up as the undesired can just read it and know how to
get around it.
--
Roger (K8RI)
N833R CD-2 (World's Oldest Debonair?)
http://users.tm.net/rdhalste
"LYADL" <ly...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991225103755...@ng-cp1.aol.com...
mads...@my-deja.com
I am new to these newsgroups and was trying to understand the
discussions on <Anonymous Posters Are Gutless Wimps!>. I must admit, I
wasn't able to follow everything.
I post anonymously to avoid situations you describe below. I was
talking to a friend just this morning and he told me he's gotten slews
of pornographic Email. Another reason not to post with a traceable
Email address.
Louis, in a previous post on this subject (I can't find it now, but I
was just reading it this morning) I thought you said you have never
been effected by not posting anonymously. But your post below says
otherwise.
So I am still trying to understand. Was the discussion against an
specific anonymous troll or anonymous posters, in general? I guess I
wonder what difference does it make if you are using your real name or
a pseudonym. You still have a persona in the discussion group. Some of
us do not put a traceable Email address or use our real names for
safety reasons because there are so many wierdos out on the web. Is
this something you guys really do not like? If so, I guess I'll
reconsider participating, though I must admit I will still continue
reading and enjoying many of your discussions.
Respectfully,
M
In article <IHV84.18726$W2.1...@iad-read.news.verio.net>,
l...@put.com (Louis Epstein) wrote:
> I got a bunch of emails from him quoting a message of mine and
> then ranting about love of raping children in the past 24 hours.
> Anyone else?
>
Sk8Maven
> So I am still trying to understand. Was the discussion against an
> specific anonymous troll or anonymous posters, in general?
A specific and EXTREMELY obnoxious troll using an "anonymous" remailing
service (but it didn't take people long to figure out who she was and
take action against her).
> I guess I wonder what difference does it make if you are using your
> real name or a pseudonym. You still have a persona in the discussion
> group.
If you're a regular poster and contribute valuable insights, people get
used to your "handle" fairly quickly. On the other hand, hit-and-run
trolls, or smallminded gossips, or deranged fans very quickly get
killfiled.
> Some of us do not put a traceable Email address or use our real names
> for safety reasons because there are so many wierdos out on the web.
Many of us don't either, although the spamblocking is sometimes very
subtle. :-)
> Is this something you guys really do not like? If so, I guess I'll
> reconsider participating, though I must admit I will still continue
> reading and enjoying many of your discussions.
I think by now you've gotten the picture. We like to know "who" we're
dealing with, in the sense of a consistent persona. "Real names" are
optional.
Oscar
other newsgroups, and I don't use any filters. I believe most of the spam
on the net comes when you register for certain internet sites that require
you to give an email address. The internet sites then sells your email
address to the penis enlarger and porn people.
--
Oscar
Happy Holidays! Let's hope the y2K bug doesn't bite!
<mads...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8430l6$46j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
>
> I am new to these newsgroups and was trying to understand the
> discussions on <Anonymous Posters Are Gutless Wimps!>. I must admit, I
> wasn't able to follow everything.
>
> I post anonymously to avoid situations you describe below. I was
> talking to a friend just this morning and he told me he's gotten slews
> of pornographic Email. Another reason not to post with a traceable
> Email address.
>
> Louis, in a previous post on this subject (I can't find it now, but I
> was just reading it this morning) I thought you said you have never
> been effected by not posting anonymously. But your post below says
> otherwise.
>
> So I am still trying to understand. Was the discussion against an
> specific anonymous troll or anonymous posters, in general? I guess I
> wonder what difference does it make if you are using your real name or
> a pseudonym. You still have a persona in the discussion group. Some of
> us do not put a traceable Email address or use our real names for
> safety reasons because there are so many wierdos out on the web. Is
> this something you guys really do not like? If so, I guess I'll
> reconsider participating, though I must admit I will still continue
> reading and enjoying many of your discussions.
>
PegLewis
>I post anonymously to avoid situations you describe below...
No, you're not posting anonymously. You're using a posting name different from
your real name. I don't use my real name (this one) often; I usually use my
Deleten0t posting name instead.
Anonymous posting means you're trying hard to be untraceable. We who use
handles can be traced via the message headers, at least to our ISP level.
There's a big difference between someone hiding his origins and someone simply
being cautious about revealing his name and true email address.
Your handle is as good as a name for usenet purposes. Squirrels like Richard,
Che (who change their names on a whim), and She Who Can Not Be Named (who was
likely the one using the anonymous mailer, despite my goading posts to the
contrary) have little to no respect online, while people with handles do
receive respect if they earn it. :^)
Peg
Oscar
distributes some child pornography. Anyone can express an opinion. I saw a
story on 20/20 a while back about the abundance of man/boy love websites on
the net that lobby congress to repeal laws against this behavior. There are
some real sick people out there.
--
Oscar
Sk8Maven <sk8m...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3865111D...@earthlink.net...
> mads...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > So I am still trying to understand. Was the discussion against an
> > specific anonymous troll or anonymous posters, in general?
>
> A specific and EXTREMELY obnoxious troll using an "anonymous" remailing
> service (but it didn't take people long to figure out who she was and
> take action against her).
>
> > I guess I wonder what difference does it make if you are using your
> > real name or a pseudonym. You still have a persona in the discussion
> > group.
>
> If you're a regular poster and contribute valuable insights, people get
> used to your "handle" fairly quickly. On the other hand, hit-and-run
> trolls, or smallminded gossips, or deranged fans very quickly get
> killfiled.
>
> > Some of us do not put a traceable Email address or use our real names
> > for safety reasons because there are so many wierdos out on the web.
>
> Many of us don't either, although the spamblocking is sometimes very
> subtle. :-)
>
> > Is this something you guys really do not like? If so, I guess I'll
> > reconsider participating, though I must admit I will still continue
> > reading and enjoying many of your discussions.
>
Roger Halstead
>
>
> I am new to these newsgroups and was trying to understand the
> discussions on <Anonymous Posters Are Gutless Wimps!>. I must admit, I
> wasn't able to follow everything.
There are some valid reasons for a "few" people staying anomyous on their
postings. (other than being able to be disgusting with out being
identified<G>)
I've used my real name and address ever since starting on the net and I have
been around a while. Even my name, address, and phone number are
posted...But *every one* gets an answering machine except for my *other*
numbers...The unlisted one and the cell phone. The unlisted one almost
always has a computer on it and the ringer for that line doesn't work
either...Gotta fix that. ...Some day when I quit procrastinating.
>
> I post anonymously to avoid situations you describe below. I was
> talking to a friend just this morning and he told me he's gotten slews
> of pornographic Email. Another reason not to post with a traceable
> Email address.
As far as spam, I really don't think it makes much difference.
After all these years I still receive more junk mail through the US mail
than via the internet and what little I do receive doesn't use a lot of
resources as does printed matter.
Quite a number of us who have been around a while dislike people hiding
behind an anomyous address and name, but do realize, as I said above, that
there are some situations where they are warrented.
I do think that children should not post in such a manner that some one can
easily trace them down, but by the same token I have this unrealistic notion
that their parents should be keeping track (or at least try to keep track)
of where they go and what they do on the net.
>
> Louis, in a previous post on this subject (I can't find it now, but I
> was just reading it this morning) I thought you said you have never
> been effected by not posting anonymously. But your post below says
> otherwise.
>
When it comes to being anonymous, what most don't like is the individual who
will post obvious trolls, or disgusting material while hiding behind an
anonymous account. They are the ones who feel that they can say anything
about any one without fear of some one knowing who they really are.
> So I am still trying to understand. Was the discussion against an
> specific anonymous troll or anonymous posters, in general? I guess I
> wonder what difference does it make if you are using your real name or
> a pseudonym. You still have a persona in the discussion group. Some of
> us do not put a traceable Email address or use our real names for
> safety reasons because there are so many wierdos out on the web.
Every one has their own comfort factor as to what to make visible.
There are those who are well known who don't want their inbox filled with
notes from other than friends. they like to keep their privacy.
Then there are those of us who have not done enough of note to attract that
kind of following.
> Is
> this something you guys really do not like? If so, I guess I'll
> reconsider participating, though I must admit I will still continue
> reading and enjoying many of your discussions.
For those who justifiably use an anomyous address, one of the most obnoxious
things is forgetting to change to a valid return address when sending e-mail
as a response to a post.
The vast majority of us on the web just hit return and write a reply.
Finding that we just spent a half hour composing an elaborate e-mail with a
detailed response, only to find that it bounced due to an invalid/anonymous
address is far more than a little irritating.
Probably participating with an anomyous screen name and e-mail address would
be best approached by staying off controversial subjects, or replying to the
more extreme (rabid?) posters, but posting enough to develop a persona that
regular posters recognize.
If any one makes enough posts they will be recognized.
Then their posts will/may be given a more knowledgeable, or auithoriarian
recognition. What ever seems to be deserved.<G>
Roger
Isiafs5
>handles can be traced via the message headers, at least to our ISP level.
I would like to confirm that this ISP information is very true.
Anyone that thinks they are untraceably anonymous are very mstaken.
Your ISP number stays the same regardless of your screen name. So all one has
to do is get the ISP and then do search through Deja or other means. If the
person has posted other screen names then those will show up also. Any
experience college student computer type can trace this sort of stuff. If any
of it crosses into illegal acts then the authorities can become involved.
Certainly, the comments of a person supposedly admitting crimes would be of
interest to authorities, and I would not be surprised if they are already being
watch.
Certainly, there have been plenty of stings of internet people told about on
the news so that the average citizens knows this is true.
Also, consider the case of rec.skiing.Alpine where threats were made on the
internet. A judge became involved and restricted one user from posting under
threat of a felony conviction. This can be confirmed through dejanews.com or
just go over and ask at that ng.
Bottom line, no one is really anon as they think. It is just a matter of
breaking the law or how much you piss off people before someone takes the
trouble to take action.
Sling Skate
Roger Halstead
news:843ap3$i0j$1...@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net...
> I don't get spam from the email address I use to post on this and a few
> other newsgroups, and I don't use any filters. I believe most of the spam
> on the net comes when you register for certain internet sites that require
> you to give an email address
I agree about the registering and lists.
many, but not all, of these sites create user lists and make good money
selling them.
Contrary to their claims about user privacy, when my wife and I were on AOL
we received massive amounts of spam. We went to an independent ISP and it
has remained at a very low level for the last three or four years.
Another way of getting spam is to visit the less reputable areas of the
internet.
You are definately not anomyous when browsing.
Virtually *any* site you visit (ISP, not necessiarliy all users web pages),
can get all the information about your computer, CPU, memory, computer name,
your name....Probably more information about the computer than the average
user knows. So I'll almost gurantee that visiting *those* areas will
suddenly cause a good deal of offers to sell all kinds of *exotic* devices
and subscriptions to some colorful pages/services, will show up in your mail
box.
>. The internet sites then sells your email
> address to the penis enlarger and porn people.
They sell not only the addresses, but a list of your interests, based on
your browsing habits. It doesn't take a great deal of work for one of these
sites to place a script, and or cookie on your computer to trace your
browsing habits.
I recently visited a legitimate site that could and did show the user just
what information a site can *easily* gain through the browser connection.
It was nearly a page full, including my ISPs DNS, my e-mail address, my
computer name, my name, and much other information.
However, to completely disable cookies and scripts, may and quite likely
will, severely limit what you can do on the net. Much depends on what you
do and where you go. Without scripts and cookies I would have to do a lot
more work on much research and many sites would be unavailable to me.
Roger
> --
> Oscar
> Happy Holidays! Let's hope the y2K bug doesn't bite!
I'm more worried about what people may do than what the Y2K bug will do.
>
>
> <mads...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8430l6$46j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >
> >
> > I am new to these newsgroups and was trying to understand the
> > discussions on <Anonymous Posters Are Gutless Wimps!>. I must admit, I
> > wasn't able to follow everything.
> >
> > I post anonymously to avoid situations you describe below. I was
> > talking to a friend just this morning and he told me he's gotten slews
> > of pornographic Email. Another reason not to post with a traceable
> > Email address.
> >
> > Louis, in a previous post on this subject (I can't find it now, but I
> > was just reading it this morning) I thought you said you have never
> > been effected by not posting anonymously. But your post below says
> > otherwise.
> >
> > So I am still trying to understand. Was the discussion against an
> > specific anonymous troll or anonymous posters, in general? I guess I
> > wonder what difference does it make if you are using your real name or
> > a pseudonym. You still have a persona in the discussion group. Some of
> > us do not put a traceable Email address or use our real names for
> > safety reasons because there are so many wierdos out on the web. Is
> > this something you guys really do not like? If so, I guess I'll
> > reconsider participating, though I must admit I will still continue
> > reading and enjoying many of your discussions.
> >
Sandra Loosemore
> Your ISP number stays the same regardless of your screen name.
Uh, this is only true if you stay connected all the time, or if you
have your connection to your ISP set up to give you a static IP
address (same address every time you connect). Most ISPs are set up
with dynamic addressing nowadays, so that when you connect you get the
address of whatever port you connect to. You can get a *hint* that
articles *might* be being posted by the same person if they all have the
same IP address in the header, but they might also be posted by different
people who subscribe to the same service using the same dialup number and
connecting to that same port at different times.
ObSkating: Uh, didn't the people who put up the web site for Russian
nationals do a nice job with it? Almost-live photos, timely results,
and we don't have to listen to Peter Carruthers. Much cheaper than
flying to Moscow to see the event in person. :-)
-Sandra
PosterBoy
Roger Halstead <rdha...@tm.net> wrote in message
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>
> I recently visited a legitimate site that could and did show the user just
> what information a site can *easily* gain through the browser connection.
> It was nearly a page full, including my ISPs DNS, my e-mail address, my
> computer name, my name, and much other information.
Would you mind sharing the URL of that site, Roger? If you still have it
handy?
Many thanks, and....
Cheers.
BIGB0882
Louis Epstein
:
: Roger Halstead <rdha...@tm.net> wrote in message
I know www.anonymizer.com has something of that sort...
Alizea
12 years old. I was slightly freaked. It's nice to know it wasn't
specifically directed at her.
Alizea
SwiftyP
and he apparently gave me the same treatment he gave you.
The ironic thing is, the skater I was asking about was 23, so she did not fall
under the aegis of "young girls." Stupid bastard.
Swifty
Roger Halstead
Go to the link at the upper right where the word "you" is highlighted as a
link.
--
Roger (K8RI)
N833R CD-2 (World's Oldest Debonair?)
http://users.tm.net/rdhalste
"PosterBoy" <bra...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Isiafs5
>Uh, this is only true if you stay connected all the time, or if you
>have your connection to your ISP set up to give you a static IP
>address (same address every time you connect).
Okay, thanks, then I was misinformed. I think that I know for a fact that as
an AOL user I can change my screen name all that I want to, but my ISP name
stays the same.
This is interesting that some providers have dynamic addressing. There are
accountability versus privacy issues in there somewhere.
Sling Skate
Roger Halstead
news:19991226075727...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
> >
> >Uh, this is only true if you stay connected all the time, or if you
> >have your connection to your ISP set up to give you a static IP
> >address (same address every time you connect).
>
> Okay, thanks, then I was misinformed. I think that I know for a fact that
as
> an AOL user I can change my screen name all that I want to, but my ISP
name
> stays the same.
I think you will find that for *users* most ISPs use dynamic addresses.
But...dynamic addresses do not necessiarlily give anonymninity.
The reason for dynamic addressing is quite simple.
the ISPs cary enough addresses to cover what they figure will be the number
of connected users (via modems) rather than one for every user.(which is
what my ISP does) but, when I go with ISDN, or ASDL, where I can stay
connected all the time I'll end up with a static address.
The address goes with the port to which you connect.
>
> This is interesting that some providers have dynamic addressing. There
are
> accountability versus privacy issues in there somewhere.
>
It's basically economic and mechanics, for the ISPs.
They don't have to purchase a modem and phone line for each user.
think of the cost if AOL had a dynamic address for each user...
However, if you use an older browser it will give out your address when
asked. According to the link Louis found, as many as 10% of the e-mail
addresses obtained by the spammers come from that method.
Roger
>
>
>
> Sling Skate
>
>
>
>
HILL JANET SWAN
>In article <19991224214554...@ng-fw1.aol.com>,
>dayd...@aol.comandgetit (Rina J. ) writes:
>
>>Add me to the list. Already complained to WebTV.
>
>I reported him to ab...@global.net.uk again. Last time they assured me
>appropriate action has taken.
someone on Skatefans pointed out that the FBI might also be interested in
these messages.
janet
--
HILL JANET SWAN
>So I am still trying to understand. Was the discussion against an
>specific anonymous troll or anonymous posters, in general? I guess I
>wonder what difference does it make if you are using your real name or
>a pseudonym. You still have a persona in the discussion group.
The discussion was about a particular anonymous poster, posting
abusive messages from an anonymous service, and not signing the messages
in any way.
We really have little/no problem with people posting from an anonymous
server, if the messages are not abusive, and if the person does,
as you point out, develop a "persona" that gives other newsgroup members a
feeling for a *person*.
It's the "gutless wimps" who use the anonymous server as a kind of
fortress from which to fire away at others that are the problem.
(The special circumstance attached to this particular string of messages
was that the person posting appears to be the same person who behaved so
horrifyingly attrociously in the past that she was removed from at least
two .... possibly three ISPs)
janet
--
Louis Epstein
: Roger (K8RI)
An IP address,you mean.
(I charge extra if you want a static address...dynamic is standard.)
: However, if you use an older browser it will give out your address when
: >
: >
: >
: >
:
SoulzMate
Count me among the unlucky. I also got one of those emails from the pedophile
troll. While I do believe it was a stupid, pimple-faced teenager, I did decide
to err on the side of caution and report the jerk to AOL, WebTV and the FBI.
If it was a pedophile, I hope they catch him. If it was the pimple-faced teen,
the kid needs to be taught a lesson. And probably needs help as well.
The posts about real names vs. psuedonyms vs. anon is interesting. D/T my
former AOL volunteer position and the fact that I have a young child, I've
always refrained from giving out my last name to all but a few people. But I've
always assumed that if anyone really wanted to know it, it wouldn't be hard to
figure out. I just figured that no one out there would care enough to bother.
Kimber
New York City.
Roger Halstead
--
Roger (K8RI)
N833R CD-2 (World's Oldest Debonair?)
http://users.tm.net/rdhalste
"Louis Epstein" <l...@put.com> wrote in message
news:86s94.19190$W2.1...@iad-read.news.verio.net...
> Roger Halstead (rdha...@tm.net) wrote:
> : Roger (K8RI)
> : N833R CD-2 (World's Oldest Debonair?)
> : http://users.tm.net/rdhalste
> : "Isiafs5" <isi...@aol.com> wrote in message
> : news:19991226075727...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
> : > >
<Oops!
> : They don't have to purchase a modem and phone line for each user.
> : think of the cost if AOL had a dynamic address for each user...
>
> An IP address,you mean.
> (I charge extra if you want a static address...dynamic is standard.)
That's what I meant...thanks for catching that Louis.
Roger
mads...@my-deja.com
Thanks for the information on the site. That is a very informative and
useful site to know about, but just FYI: Not EVERYone's Email, name,
and much other personal information... is as accessible as everyone
else's. ;-) I do appreciate this informative discussion, though, so
thanks.
Regards,
M
In article <%Ag94.18942$W2.1...@iad-read.news.verio.net>,
l...@put.com (Louis Epstein) wrote:
> PosterBoy (bra...@bigfoot.com) wrote:
> :
> : Roger Halstead <rdha...@tm.net> wrote in message
> : news:fPb94.19898$Ye.5...@monger.newsread.com...
> : >
> : > I recently visited a legitimate site that could and did show the
user just
> : > what information a site can *easily* gain through the browser
connection.
> : > It was nearly a page full, including my ISPs DNS, my e-mail
address, my
> : > computer name, my name, and much other information.
> :
> :
> : Would you mind sharing the URL of that site, Roger? If you
still have it
> : handy?
> : Many thanks, and....
> :
> : Cheers.
>
> I know www.anonymizer.com has something of that sort...
>
Shallah
emails webtv and the like. Can anyone give me advise on just which ISP I
should be reporting this person to? The both emails say the pervert has
webtv but both have different properties -
First Email-
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From: sirwa...@webtv.net (Richard Scott)
To: "Shallah" <sha...@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Galindo (was Re: Trophee Lalique observation (non-spoiler))
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 06:55:23 +0000
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From: sirwa...@webtv.net (Richard Scott02)
To: "Shallah" <sha...@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Galindo
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 07:35:14 +0000
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Shallah who takes it VERY seriously when some emails her saying he likes to
rape kids.
--
If you care about kids in the US Act Now:
http://www.careact.org/
<a href="http://www.careact.org/">Care Act</a>
Dolores Nichols
lines are forged!
Look at the Received: lines - they say that the person is in the UK.
Send your complaints to ab...@global.net.uk and ab...@vip.uk.com
In article <8460kf$e90$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
Shallah <shallahS...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I have recieved two now, one last night and one today. I am forwarding the
>emails webtv and the like. Can anyone give me advise on just which ISP I
>should be reporting this person to? The both emails say the pervert has
>webtv but both have different properties -
>First Email-
>Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [195.147.246.100])
> by vulture.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13582
> for <sha...@earthlink.net>; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 22:54:24 -0800 (PST)
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> for sha...@earthlink.net; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 06:54:22 +0000
>From: sirwa...@webtv.net (Richard Scott)
>To: "Shallah" <sha...@earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: Galindo (was Re: Trophee Lalique observation (non-spoiler))
>Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 06:55:23 +0000
>Organization: WebTV Subscriber
>Reply-To: sirwa...@webtv.net
>Message-ID: <vdq86skqt067oce9q...@neptune-news.com>
>References: <19991224004551...@ng-ce1.aol.com>
><2929-386...@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
><841ej8$ads$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
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real source ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Good luck putting a stop to this. Hitting delete only takes care of the
symptom. Sending complaints to the correct place will stop the problem.
--
Dolores Nichols |
D&D Data | Voice : (703) 938-4564
Disclaimer: from here - None | Email: <dolo...@d-and-d.com>
--- .sig? ----- .what? Who me?
Shallah
Dolores Nichols" <dolo...@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
news:846585$f29$1...@cadeau.d-and-d.com...
> Thank You for posting the headers!! The person is NOT on webtv. The From
> lines are forged!
>
> Look at the Received: lines - they say that the person is in the UK.
> Send your complaints to ab...@global.net.uk and ab...@vip.uk.com
>
> Good luck putting a stop to this. Hitting delete only takes care of the
> symptom. Sending complaints to the correct place will stop the problem.
> --
Thanks for the info! I will forward the emails to him NOW! I was
complaining to webtv but wasn't sure.... I DO hope they can get that guy for
claiming to be on webtv in someway tho!
ITA on only deleting. The same for spam - when I started complaining it has
REALLY cut down on the # of spams I get. For awhile there I was getting 5-7
spam a day. I REALLY love getting the email from the isp/email provider
saying "we have terminated the spammers account" :-O) It warms the cockles
of me heart ;-Ş
Shallah
Phyllis L. Smith
> I got a bunch of emails from him quoting a message of mine and
> then ranting about love of raping children in the past 24 hours.
> Anyone else?
reaction was
how sick this person was; than what in the sam hill did this sick comment
have to do
with figure skating! I deleted the message and prayed for him/her/it.
Louis Epstein
: Thank You for posting the headers!! The person is NOT on webtv. The From
: lines are forged!
:
: Look at the Received: lines - they say that the person is in the UK.
: Send your complaints to ab...@global.net.uk and ab...@vip.uk.com
: In article <8460kf$e90$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
: Shallah <shallahS...@earthlink.net> wrote:
: >I have recieved two now, one last night and one today. I am forwarding the
: >emails webtv and the like. Can anyone give me advise on just which ISP I
: >should be reporting this person to? The both emails say the pervert has
: >webtv but both have different properties -
: >First Email-
: >Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [195.147.246.100])
: > by vulture.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13582
: > for <sha...@earthlink.net>; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 22:54:24 -0800 (PST)
: >Received: from pc2s05a03.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.165.195])
: real source ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Note my "Pedophilia Troll Has Moved" thread.
I think these guys already tossed him...
: > by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1)
: > id 121l5p-000727-00
: > for sha...@earthlink.net; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 06:54:22 +0000
: >From: sirwa...@webtv.net (Richard Scott)
: >To: "Shallah" <sha...@earthlink.net>
: >Subject: Re: Galindo (was Re: Trophee Lalique observation (non-spoiler))
: >Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 06:55:23 +0000
: >Organization: WebTV Subscriber
: >Reply-To: sirwa...@webtv.net
: >Message-ID: <vdq86skqt067oce9q...@neptune-news.com>
: >References: <19991224004551...@ng-ce1.aol.com>
: ><2929-386...@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
: ><841ej8$ads$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
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: >
: >Second email-
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: > by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22089
: > for <sha...@earthlink.net>; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:34:00 -0800 (PST)
: >Received: from modem-161-216-176-194.vip.uk.com ([194.176.216.161])
: real source ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...I posted the addresses to contact vip.uk.com by email and snail.
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: > id 1228Gr-0005e4-00
: > for sha...@earthlink.net; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 07:39:18 +0000
: >From: sirwa...@webtv.net (Richard Scott02)
: >To: "Shallah" <sha...@earthlink.net>
: >Subject: Re: Galindo
: >Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 07:35:14 +0000
: >Organization: WebTV Subscriber
: >Reply-To: sirwa...@webtv.net
: >Message-ID: <99hb6s4ttul5nequd...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>
: >References: <7BVjOBJ+tHxwQt...@4ax.com>
: ><19991224064739...@ng-fy1.aol.com>
: ><H0j94.3778$GF1.2...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
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: >
: >
: >Shallah who takes it VERY seriously when some emails her saying he likes to
: >rape kids.
:
: >If you care about kids in the US Act Now:
: >http://www.careact.org/
: ><a href="http://www.careact.org/">Care Act</a>
: >
: >
:
: Good luck putting a stop to this. Hitting delete only takes care of the
: symptom. Sending complaints to the correct place will stop the problem.
: --
: Dolores Nichols |
Janice
>we received massive amounts of spam.
I haven't gotten any spam for this SN ever since I started using it some months
ago. I only register at reputable sites (Newspapers, mostly) and always mark
that I don't want mail from their list and that I don't want the address given
out. I also did not put a profile on this name.
I have not received any of the "pedophilia" mail, either. I do have a spam
filter on my e-mail address. Has anyone with a spam filter gotten the
offensive e-mails?
Janice
SIPAAMS
>>we received massive amounts of spam.
>
I have had this userid since 1994 and maybe get spam, oh, once every six
months. I register all over the place and do not have a spam filter. I think
I have been spared because my userid is sort of a strange combination of
letters.
j...@cypress.com
That pond scum has grabbed the email address from everyone in the
newsgroup and did a mass emailing; ignore it or at best, complain
to whatever authority that is supposed to control such animals.
-jl John
--Let's stretch her legs -- Capt. Smith, RMS Titanic
Alizea
from the troll, but I received one directed specifically about a skater in a
post and refering to places he had seen her. I suppose it shouldn't surprise
me that pedophiles hang out at local skating competitions, but I still think
it's a bit creepy.
Hey troll, if you're going to send me another obnoxious email about this
post, YOU'RE A JERK!!!!!
Smallovian Insider
jani...@aol.commandment (Janice) writes:
>Has anyone with a spam filter gotten the
>offensive e-mails?
Yes... to this screen name (which has the spam filter) and my main screen name
before I began to post from it again - which takes manual manipulation of the
sig quote address, and he also subbed to the off-topic list which is given in
my sig quote.
Peg
reply to p.egl...@aol.com [re move the obvious ext ra dots]
==
join OT-r...@onelist.com - for off-topic discussions. Send an email to
OT-rssif-...@onelist.com to subscribe
@>--\--- Any request to delete this post is a forgery---/--<@
Smallovian Insider
(Alizea) writes:
>On Skatefans, several people said that they had received identical messages
>from the troll, but I received one directed specifically about a skater in a
>post and refering to places he had seen her. I suppose it shouldn't surprise
>me that pedophiles hang out at local skating competitions, but I still think
>it's a bit creepy.
That would definitely be one to forward to the fbi.
> Hey troll, if you're going to send me another obnoxious email about this
>post, YOU'RE A JERK!!!!!
If these were phone calls, he'd be a criminal.
Hattie54
>it's a bit creepy.
>post, YOU'RE A JERK!!!!!
You need to learn to block your e mail .
Harriet
Roger Halstead
spam. Oh, there is the usual one or two on how to make money, or get rich
in a hurry, but I have set the filters which get those and once in a great
while some one shows up like our pet pervert (who is no longer on line)
However I get many times more via the US Mail service and that wastes a lot
more resources and takes more time to get rid of than hitting <delete>
Considering how wide spread my name, address, phone #, and e-mail address
are spread across the net, I consider it to be working quite well.
BTW, I also use ICQ and when AOL purchased them I started getting spam
again. I changed the default settings which make all your information
readily available and after a couple of months the trash went away.
The problem with ICQ is that you need to change those settings before they
get put up on the AOL page and as I said they default to tell every thing.
Pressure has probably caused them to change tactics a bit from a few years
back and they may be a decent outfit. We used to get lots of disconnects and
failures to connect.
Roger (K8RI)
N833R CD-2 (World's Oldest Debonair?)
http://users.tm.net/rdhalste
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