I'm going mostly to see *~Evgeny~*, Michelle, Sarah, Alexei and Irina.
After seeing the three-hour broadcast on TNT though, I have no idea
how I am going to sit through the rest of it. I hate seeing Viktor
Petrenko, a skinny, pasty white Ukrainian man, acting like the
Notorious BIG. He's done the hat backwards, rap act before, and it
makes me puke. Also, out of *all* the figure skaters I have seen, the
only one I really do not like, is tooty-fruity Rudy Gallindo. I am
sorry if I sound homophobic, but that is the way I feel. I'm going to
have to have a few drinks before the show; it's the only way I'll find
the cross dressing and the South Park/Mrs. Doubtfire guy funny.
Can't they cut out these "B" acts and washed-up has-beens?
Cynthia Marie
give me the ticket, I'll watch pasty white guys. The part that u don't
like.
> I'm going mostly to see *~Evgeny~*, Michelle, Sarah, Alexei and Irina.
> After seeing the three-hour broadcast on TNT though, I have no idea
> how I am going to sit through the rest of it.
I think the whole purpose of watching COI on TNT is so that you can
plan your bathroom breaks. Unfortunately, TNT broadcasts the
skaters out of order, so you can't go 100% by what you saw today.
> I hate seeing Viktor
> Petrenko, a skinny, pasty white Ukrainian man, acting like the
> Notorious BIG.
The only pasty white man I ever want to see skating in a
hip-hop-related program again is Kurt Browning!
> Can't they cut out these "B" acts and washed-up has-beens?
How much of a show would they have? Would those who are left
be willing to skate two numbers a night for 85 nights? I know
that a lot of us would be willing to watch, but touring must be
hard on the body for the skaters.
Laura
>I hate seeing Viktor
>Petrenko, a skinny, pasty white Ukrainian man,
"Skinny"??? Bwa haha haha!! Viktor P. may be many things, but "skinny" isn't
one of them. His butt is HUGE, and every year it seems to get bigger and
bigger. Eeeeeeeeeeek!!
>Can't they cut out these "B" acts and washed-up has-beens?
Well, they finally got rid of that stinky old dried-up boring Todd Eldridge.
That's at least a step in the right direction.
I believe he is skating with SOI.
You're right. I was still thinking of him as he was ten years ago.
Viktor has gained a *tremendous* amount of weight since then.
Cynthia Marie
My picks:
Viktor- Tosca
Rudy - Swan Lake
Michelle - Rach.
K&D - Oly. 98 long
B&E - Tears in Heaven
Phillipe - D'artagnan or Godfather
Plushy- Carmen
Yags - Man in the Iron Mask
Feel free to add.
>I believe [Todd Eldridge] is skating with SOI.
Thanks for the warning!!
[Regarding me]: >You're right.
I'm always right.
>Viktor has gained a *tremendous* amount of weight since [10 years ago].
Yes, he has gained a lot of weight, but at least he lost a ton of Oksana Baiul.
<g>
Great idea - but I'd be torn on Michelle. Can she do more than one? Dante's
Prayer and the Rach? Or maybe East of Eden? I'd really like to see her do an
older version of Romanza/Fiesta Flamenco (I think I have that right). Oh,
what the heck, she can do a medly of her greatest hits.
Nicole B. - Zorba the Greek
Klimova and Ponomarenko (whom I missed this year) - Romeo and Juliet
Janice
"Gee 86, you're twice the man 43 is." Agent 99 to Maxwell Smart
Some of the sillier show programs that you mentioned in your post
will probably look better in a live arena than they do on TV. For
one thing, the audience really gets into most of these numbers.
The noise and energy in the building can be infectious. But if
you really don't like these types of programs, you might prefer
to attend a competition instead of a tour.
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>Great idea - but I'd be torn on Michelle. Can she do more than one? Dante's
>Prayer and the Rach? Or maybe East of Eden? I'd really like to see her do
>an
>older version of Romanza/Fiesta Flamenco (I think I have that right). Oh,
>what the heck, she can do a medly of her greatest hits.
With multiple, Philippe-Candeloroesque costume changes? I hope they give her a
changing booth. Or maybe she can peel them off in layers, like Debi Thomas did
in her James Bond medley.
Peg
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Hmm, Michelle could do this with her red-costumed numbers: start with
"Romanza" in two full sleeves... take off one sleeve to do "A Day In the
Life"... then take off the other sleeve for her Rachmaninoff SP. :)
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Now THERE'S a program to remember.
Isn't that interesting? (well, to me it is) .... Debi Thomas was a
frighteningly talented skater who, because of other ambitions, and of the times
in which she skated had a relatively short eligible career, but had three
programs that stand out in my mind ...
Wanda Beazel ...... this one is a classic. There are so few skaters who can
carry off comedy. And Thomas didn't appear to be the kind of skater who would
feel comfortable looking silly, but then she went and created this little
masterpiece. Years later Laurent Tobel tried a very similar program, but even
though he added dressing in drag to it, and even though he is naturally a
little silly looking, his program wasn't nearly as funny.
James Bond medley. First with a trench coat. Then another tune starts and
she takes off the coat and hat and skates in a dress And then, skating to
"For Your Eyes Only" she removes the dress and is wearing .... umm ..... an
illusion leotard with not all that many strategically placed sequins.
The "unitard program." Frankly, I can't remember anything about the program
except how wonderful she looked in a unitard and how good the unitard looked
for skating.
........ So ..... there's my contribution for Debi : If you had no more than
minutes of video to devote to some skater's programs, which of their programs
would YOU save?
janet
LOL. If we're going to resurrect old Kwan programs, Dream of Desdemona (97SP)
and Ariane (99LP) are the ones I'd like to see the most. Especially DOD.
Please?
Jocelyn (ok, I'd settle for a Dante's Prayer done to the music instead of ahead
of it)
Watching it on TV this weekend I didn't think that he has gotten fat, just
that he has aged, like any normal human being. Men (and women) tend to get
bigger in the thighs and hips as they get older, it's just gravity folks!
You could really tell how universal this is when they showed clips of comps
and the COI performance as they were rolling the credits. Compare Elvis
then and Elvis now...a real eye opener. Rudy Galindo went from stick figure
to svelte, but his health has probably improved since then too.
mm
This was her 1988 short program actually, and it was superb. I
nominate it for one of the all time best Ladies SPs!
>
> ........ So ..... there's my contribution for Debi : If you had no more than
> minutes of video to devote to some skater's programs, which of their programs
> would YOU save?
>
> janet
It depends on the skater. Some skaters, like Michelle Kwan or Kurt
Browning, have so many great programs, that it would be impossible to
pick and choose. Other skaters who have had shorter careers are
easier to fit on tape. Basically, there's a reason I run to Radio
Shack once a month for a pack of ten video tapes for $10--I need
EVERYTHING on tape!
Actually, in answer to Janet's question, I was going to suggest a tape of MK's
Dream of Desdemona, as skated at The Ultimate Four, and Dante's Prayer (tour
version, not the competitive version) or the enhibition version of The Red
Violin as skated (the only time I'm aware of) at 1999 Worlds Exhibition.
I keep hoping MK will delve into comedy. She seems to have a heck of a sense of
humor.
Elvis Stojko: the exhibition version of his kodo drum program with the slow,
edgy introduction (he skated this at the spring team pro-am thingie in 2000).
This shows what a masteful interpreter and pure skater he can be, as well as
the high-energy macho stuff he's more known for.
Todd Eldredge: 1996 Worlds LP, and the 1997 tour program in the white
jammies... shows the fire and the elegance.
Kazakova/Dmitriev: Sad Waltz, I believe it was called. First program that
really came together for them, and it had all the quirky little moves that
became trademark moves.
Tovill/Dean: Cecilia and Missing.
Michelle Kwan: Dream of Desdemona (Dec. 1995 Ultimate Four 2); and either
Dante's Prayer (exhibition version) or 1999 worlds exhibition version of The
Red Violin
Caryn Kadavy: The 1988 SP, and the endlessly used Celine D. piece "It's all
coming back to me" which was really a good program the first 20 times, but
which lost its appeal after repeated airings.
Paul Wylie: Carmina Burana and the thing with the leather pants (Touch Me?)
Nancy Kerrigan: Desperate Love (1994 OOOOO SP), the duet with Paul Wylie from
Miss Saigon
Olga Markova: The SP in the copper body suit, and the Miss Saigon LP (used
numerous years)
LuLu: 1995 Worlds LP, 1996 Worlds LP (barely looks like the same skater)
Can't think of any more.....
-Wendy :)
Bourne and Kratz - Return to Innocence
A&P -Romeo and Juliet
Underhill and Martini - Ever Been in Love
-Wendy
Klimova/Ponomorenko - Romeo & Juliet
Usova/Zhulin: the thing with a noose (and the tights)
Rahkamo & Kokko (sp????) - Quickstep, and the Swan ballet parody program, where
she wore the optic orange boot covers.
>>........ So ..... there's my contribution for Debi : If you had no more
>>than
>>minutes of video to devote to some skater's programs, which of their programs
>>would YOU save?
Oh gee, it would have to be Wanda Beazel. It is so *hard* to do
comedy on ice. Truly magnificent - women it seems to me, find it hard
to totally capture this medium on ice. Thomas is/was certainly one of
kind. And I still smile even when I think about it, let alone watch
it.
And now it Peg's list:
>Elvis Stojko: the exhibition version of his kodo drum program with the slow,
>edgy introduction (he skated this at the spring team pro-am thingie in 2000).
>This shows what a masteful interpreter and pure skater he can be, as well as
>the high-energy macho stuff he's more known for.
Elvis to me will be always 1995 worlds lp, 1492. But honorable
mention to Todd, he made me cry when I saw this one live in Vancouver.
Two fine, fine performances by two wonderful skaters.
>Kazakova/Dmitriev: Sad Waltz, I believe it was called. First program that
>really came together for them, and it had all the quirky little moves that
>became trademark moves.
Yes, Sad Waltz. I didn't become a fan of theirs until they showed
this exhibition skate. And I think the first time I saw it was SC. I
really liked it then, I still like it now. It made me a fan.
>Tovill/Dean: Cecilia and Missing.
For me, Torvil & Dean's Rhumba - The History of Love. Marvelous, a
keeper, what I think ice dance should be. Everyone talks about Chris
Dean, and I say Jayne Torvill - she made that dance.
>Michelle Kwan: Dream of Desdemona (Dec. 1995 Ultimate Four 2); and either
>Dante's Prayer (exhibition version) or 1999 worlds exhibition version of The
>Red Violin
<g> A Day in the Life. And also her Rach piece - a master piece the
first time, ok the second. I liked Rush too. And for me out of all
her exhibition pieces - Dante's Prayer. What a remarkable talent,
what a wonderful representative of the sport. Love ya girl. You
don't have to prove a thing anymore.
>Caryn Kadavy: The 1988 SP, and the endlessly used Celine D. piece "It's all
>coming back to me" which was really a good program the first 20 times, but
>which lost its appeal after repeated airings.
Well yes, but it did suit her, didn't it?
>
>Paul Wylie: Carmina Burana and the thing with the leather pants (Touch Me?)
I've never been a Wylie fan. so whatever..........
(snip)
>
>LuLu: 1995 Worlds LP, 1996 Worlds LP (barely looks like the same skater)
I loved Cranston's choreo for The Last Emperor. Magnificent program,
it was her break out year.
Kurt:
Singing in the Rain. This piece is a work of art and talent. I've
liked many many skaters - most actually. Not many I have been totally
in awe of their talent. Kurt is one. There are others. <g>
Scott Hamilton: Body of work. He is a wonderful representative of
the sport, to pick one - probably Hair or Sabre Dance. But it is hard
to choose.
Klimova & Ponomarenko - absolutely anything and everything they do as
a waltz. I have yet to see anyone capture that feeling, expression
and partnership as they do.
Underhill & Martini - I have yet to see two people in interview so
totally unlike the characters they have portrayed so sensually on ice.
<g> My personal favorite is probably Oh Darling, but honorable
mention to Unchained Melody.
Gordeyeva & Grinkov - their 1988 olympic long program. Young,
athletic perfectionism.
Midori Ito - athleticism, talent, and she touched me with her
attitude/shyness/reticencer. You have no idea Midori, how much I
like/liked your skating. My favorite is her 1988 olympic long
program.
Bereznhaya & Sikuralidze - their power programs. Probably Barcelona,
something in that line. Although I have to say Thais could have been
a masterpiece. I like their skating.
Shen and Zhao - Palladio. I love their power, I love their strong
presentation. And as a Canadian, I want you to learn how to do pair
elements. I want to see you skate as one. You can do it, I know you
can. (death spirals, pair spins) And I will say, I like Xue Shen's
smile. It's so honest, I don't care if you see a dentist or not.
Yagudin - Winter. This one is dragged from me, totally against my
will. It is a great program, he skated it well.
Gristchuk & Platov - back in 92 I really liked these guys. After
that, I'll leave it alone. I don't think they've had a definitive
program or a body of work that illustrates what they could have been.
Duchesnay's - I still like Savage Rites. It is the program that
changed ice dance. I'll leave it up to the rest of you, to say if it
was good or bad. I don't think it was the skaters that changed the
sport, I think it was the judging.
Sale & Pelletier - a good representative of what Canada's pair
programs. My personal favorite that was never realized is Orchid.
Too bad we've never seen it to it's potential.
Irina Slutskaya - Culture. I thought this program suited her to a T.
Wonderful 1 foot footwork sequence. Front end loaded, but it worked
for her.
Toller Cranston - I can't remember the piece, wonderful skating,
innovative, interesting.
And so many others...........but that will do for now.
Did I mention Sing, Sing by Brian Orser?
Yuka Sato?
Chris Bowman?
Pat C
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Kristi Yamaguchi -- 1992 Nationals LP (Malaguena)
Brian Boitano -- 1998 Olympics LP (Napoleon)
John Curry -- 1976 Olympics LP (Don Quixote)
Michelle Kwan (East of Eden, the 2nd version, used as an artistic
program circa 1998)
Sarah Hughes -- 2002 Olympic LP
Rudy Galindo -- 1996 Nationals LP
Bob
If my house was on fire, I would grab my cats & my Michelle Kwan
complilation tape. However, if I had to narrow it down to 3, I would
choose 2 exhibitions & one competition program: Dante's Prayer (any
performance), Ariane at the 98 World Pros, and Fields of Gold (either
at the Olys or Worlds). Both exhibitions give you a peek into
Michelle's soul (every time I saw either program I would almost forget
to breathe), and Ariane shows the power of Michelle. I think that
performance was the best-skated LP she ever did.
(But I sure would miss Salome, Rach, On My Own, Red Violin, etc etc)
also Klimova & Ponomorenko: that menacing, riveting Masquerade Waltz
(COI in '94?) I truly do miss K&P.
M&D - 1992 LP Liebestram
Michelle Kwan: Salome, East of Eden, Lyra Angelica...gee any of Lori
Nichol's creations (MK - please go back to LN)
S&P - Love Story; Come Rain or Come Shine (IMO the latter would be
wonderful in COI...they just sizzle in this number... I know it would
get me to part w/ some major bucks for a ticket)-- Ann/anova
>pegl...@aol.compurgator (Locutus of Borg) wrote in message
>news:<20020415171603...@mb-da.aol.com>...
>> Ooh, ooh... just had to add...
>>
>> Klimova/Ponomorenko - Romeo & Juliet
>>
>> Usova/Zhulin: the thing with a noose (and the tights)
>>
>snip
>
>> Peg
>
>also Klimova & Ponomorenko: that menacing, riveting Masquerade Waltz
>(COI in '94?) I truly do miss K&P.
Me, too.
>M&D - 1992 LP Liebestram
>
>Michelle Kwan: Salome, East of Eden, Lyra Angelica...gee any of Lori
>Nichol's creations (MK - please go back to LN)
How about the Lori Nichol before Lori Nichol began working with Sale &
Pelletier. The magic went to other people (Suguri, Robinson, Choinard,
Sale/Pelletier) the last couple seasons of their collaboration, IMO.
> Watching it on TV this weekend I didn't think that he has gotten fat, just
> that he has aged, like any normal human being. Men (and women) tend to get
> bigger in the thighs and hips as they get older, it's just gravity folks!
> You could really tell how universal this is when they showed clips of comps
> and the COI performance as they were rolling the credits. Compare Elvis
> then and Elvis now...a real eye opener. Rudy Galindo went from stick figure
> to svelte, but his health has probably improved since then too.
>
> mm
I thought that last part was very sad, showing the skaters in their
former glory next to the way they are now. :(
Cynthia Marie
janet swan hill wrote:
> If you had no more than
> minutes of video to devote to some skater's programs, which of their programs
> would YOU save?
Given my bias for eligible competition, I'd go for the following (in no particular
order)
and limiting it to the women from 88-92 (roughly)
Katarina Witt - 88 'showgirl' SP, Really summed up everything she was about by that
time. If I added a second for Witt, it would be her breakout 84 LP, which I was
lukewarm to at the time, but has grown (in my memories, I don't have it on tape) to
be a real turning point in the sport.
Debi Thomas - 88 unitard SP. She should have based her LP on this (if she could
keep it up for four minutes and didn't care about getting a medal) She was _so_
ahead of her time, a dancing wild woman (she was skating to Dead or Alive
IIRC!!!!!) in a sport where the pixie fairy princess was/is the ideal.
side note: Am I the only person who thought the 88 SP duel between Witt and Thomas
was a lot more interesting than the Carmens, neither of which represented either
skater's best work?
Jill Trenary - 90 LP. A couple of the music cuts could have been smoother, and she
never performed it 100% squeaky clean, but still a big fave. I loved the contrast
between the slinky percussive rhythm and Trenary's Kelly-esque cool elegance in the
opening section. If she could have done a triple loop instead of a triple toe in
the slow section, it would have been perfect.
Midori Ito - 89 LP. The best she ever did. The music fit and she wasn't yet trying
too hard to be artistic, letting her pure power and elegantly simple lines shine
thru. A pox on whoever convinced her she had to flutter her arms around.
Tonya Harding 91LP - Like Ito at her best when not trying for the choreographed
artistic stuff. That could never work for her. The music for this (Batman, Send in
the Clowns and Tone Loc IIRC) was clearly assembled by a schizophrenic martian and
edited with a sledgehammer and it didn't matter, it worked for her. Pure edges and
power at its finest.
Kristi Yamaguchi 92 Albertville exhibition "Milord" by Edith Piaf. I admit I never
was able to appreciate her like I should, but this is the best thing I ever saw her
do, even though I'm not as crazy about exhibitions and or vocal numbers. If I stick
to competition programs, then the Blue Danube SP, not my fave, but was obviously
state of the art (ca. 1992) for extracting first place ordinals from judges (and
gushing from commentators, some of whom, didn't even choreograph it).
-michael farris
Salé & Pelletier's Love Story (Olympic skate) and Imagine (the new one
from their Golden Homecoming show) programs. LS for obvious reasons,
and Imagine because it's dignified, warm, and just beautiful, all at
the same time. I see it as their "thank you" program, to their fans
and to each other as well.
Kurt's Nat King Cole medley (Serenade to Sonia)--the version at the
Canadian Pro when he nailed the 3X. Absolute perfection. I also love
his SP to St. Louis Blues, but alas, never saw him skate it to the
best of his ability.
Anything by G&G--but especially LP at 94 OOOOO's.
Anything by Torville and Dean--but if forced, would choose Cecilia or
their OD from 94 OOOOO's. (I loooove the 94 OOOOO's--with the
exception of some of the results, that is.)
Anything by Boitano--I love Missing You, Shenandoah, Shaker medley (94
OOOOO's again), 88 OOOOO's performances, etc.
Kat W.--I thought Lemon Tree was so cute for her.
Kristi--still love Blue Danube, after all these years.
MK--Rach SP or Salome--but it is *so* hard to choose.
Underhill and Martini--Fly Me to the Moon and Have You Ever Been in
Love.
Anything by Dorothy Hamill--although Someday comes to mind.
That'd about be the best tape. I could keep going...I'm missing Todd,
Ilia, Scott...
Stacey