Would Slutskaya have won if....
Carla Hashman
been hard not to give it to her. Kwan on the other hand did the best
performance, but who can feel sorry for a deceitful liar with millions,
fame, and 3 already?>>
jason
Please, jason. Return to Earth, soon.
Carla
Cheryl Blagg
Or if she would have done a seperate 3 loop besides the other?
I feel bad for Slutskaya. If I had been on that panel, it would have
been hard not to give it to her. Kwan on the other hand did the best
performance, but who can feel sorry for a deceitful liar with millions,
fame, and 3 already?
It surprises me that people don't see through kwan's selfcenteredness
and greed. She doesn't care about how things actually are in her heart,
but how she can by words make her heart to appear so "kind" and
"gracious" on the outside. She's a disgrace, as I said elsewhere, and
I've been saying this even before the competition. You'd have to be
blind, or manipulated to not see it.
--jason
Dasha K.
Cheryl Blagg wrote in message
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<<It surprises me that people don't see through kwan's selfcenteredness
and greed. She doesn't care about how things actually are in her heart,
but how she can by words make her heart to appear so "kind" and
"gracious" on the outside. She's a disgrace, as I said elsewhere, and
I've been saying this even before the competition. You'd have to be
blind, or manipulated to not see it.>>
You know, I hear that Prozac works wonders for that condition, Jason.
Dasha
Rick
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[snip everything not worth repeating]
Go away. Ignore Carla. Try Mars or Jupiter.
- Rick (not Ricky)
Locutus of Borg
You know, I thought for sure I wouldn't see any "Irina was robbed" threads.
Wrong again. :^(
Peg
27vfl00aml
Caroline Migneault
earlier this month, the whole ng experience has become so much more
pleasurable!
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"Cheryl Blagg" <che...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Gellio971
also, but Kwan beat her hands down last night. Let me tell you a little story
about Kwan's character.
I was living in Minneapolis in '98 which hosted the World's. Two women and I
went to a rink the night before the long program for a ladies practice session.
The ladies practiced in order they would compete in the long program, so it
was going to be a long wait for the final group.
Well, no one showed, all night to the final group. There were about 100 little
girls there. The final group's time started, still no one, except for Kwan.
Her short practice made it so obvious that she only came for the little girls
whom she was their hero.
After her short practice she then stood there and signed autographs for these
girls.
Michelle is a competitor, and a fierce one, but she is also a dynamic, kind,
and sencere person.
Don't let your bitterness over Slutskaya losing make you say bad things about
another skater.
Kwan and Slutskaya are great friends off the ice.
Ruefrex
>and greed.
Aw, well don't worry, cupcake.
Every sees through your selfcenterdness and greed.
Hey, but Jesus loves you, right?
"The fleet can only move as fast as its slowest ship."
-- Rue's Razor
Eugene Kim
Kwan obviously wants the whole world to love her, or somesuch garbage.
Are you relatively new to this NG? Then you may not be familiar with a notorious
troll (whose name shall go unmentioned here) who distinguished himself with an
obsessive adoration of Tara Lipinski that also translated into a pathological
hatred of Michelle Kwan. To that end, said troll would adopt a multitude of
aliases in a pathetic attempt to make it seem there was a plethora of like-minded
people. (That strategy backfired; whenever someone "new" made an irrational
comment about Kwan, I'd end up thinking, "Oh, it's him again." The conventional
wisdom in the NG became: There's only one person here who truly, totally hates
Kwan, and his name is Legion.)
The jury is still out on whether the initiator of this thread is that person, but
I wouldn't be surprised.
Cheryl Blagg
I'm definitely not that taralover or whatever you were talking about. In
fact, I don't really like tara lipinski-- not much feeling either way
about her.
But, I definitely do not like kwan because she is a hypocrite. You
question my intentions, but I do not like kwan for things other than her
skating....she's like the miss america who tells everyone what they want
to hear in order to cash in.
Merry Brandybuck
Fine. I guess I have committed the mortal sin of second-guessing the result
of a major competition, something nobody ever dares to do here lest they
bring down the wrath of the regular rssif posters. I apologize, in case I
annoyed anyone else by my ignorant ramblings. Next time, I'll know better
than to ask any questions regarding figure skating.
In all seriousness, I was genuinely curious about how Irina's performance
stacked up against Michelle's through the eyes of more knowledgeable fans.
I am not an experienced watcher of skating (although getting better at
identifying jumps) and don't know how the judging works. I didn't think I
was being obnoxious by asking how Irina's mistake affected her scores, but
apparently... Oh well.
MerryB, going back to lurking
"Caroline Migneault" <carol...@home.com> wrote in message
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Ellen Arnold
> It surprises me that people don't see through kwan's selfcenteredness
> and greed. She doesn't care about how things actually are in her heart,
> but how she can by words make her heart to appear so "kind" and
> "gracious" on the outside. She's a disgrace, as I said elsewhere, and
> I've been saying this even before the competition. You'd have to be
> blind, or manipulated to not see it.
>
> --jason
Jeez, just when I thought I'd never have to activate my killfile feature
again :-)
Ellen
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" . . . reality is the leading cause of stress amongst those in touch with
it. I can take it in small doses, but as a lifestyle I found it too
confining . . . Now, since I put reality on the back burner, my days are
jam-packed and fun-filled." Lily Tomlin (as Trudy, the Bag Lady, in "The
Search For Signs Of Intelligent Life In The Universe")
Caroline Migneault
"Ellen Arnold" <ellen...@pop.dnvr.qwest.net> wrote in message
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> Cheryl Blagg wrote:
>
>
> > It surprises me that people don't see through kwan's selfcenteredness
> > and greed. She doesn't care about how things actually are in her heart,
> > but how she can by words make her heart to appear so "kind" and
> > "gracious" on the outside. She's a disgrace, as I said elsewhere, and
> > I've been saying this even before the competition. You'd have to be
> > blind, or manipulated to not see it.
> >
> > --jason
>
> Jeez, just when I thought I'd never have to activate my killfile feature
> again :-)
>
> Ellen
>
>
It's been a busy day for the kill file here.
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Cheryl Blagg
female skater ever, and her performance did deserve the win pretty
clearly.
But, I would like to see slutskaya win one and butyrskaya another one
against her, but only if it's a fair win.
To those who think I'm nuts: get a grip. Not every person who doesn't
like someone is nuts. When I start to note SCRIPTURES, then you think
that I must be nuts. I have not said anything hateful, just the truth on
here.
janet swan hill
>Fine. I guess I have committed the mortal sin of second-guessing the result
>of a major competition, something nobody ever dares to do here lest they
>bring down the wrath of the regular rssif posters.
Dear Merry. Don't let the strange reaction of Cheryl (or whoever it is) sour
you. You haven't "called down her/his wrath" by your question ......
her/his/its wrath appears not to have to be "called". Nor, so far as I have
seen yet, have you called down ANYBODY'S wrath --- whether a "regular" or not.
The "another one for the killfile" comment referred to "Cheryl".
My answer to your question is "I don't know". I would like to think that
Kwan would still have won, because of the overall quality of her entire
performance, and because Slutskaya looked a little disorganized throughout the
program. But it's impossible to tell how much of this look of "not quite in
control" and "not quite *on*" was as a result of her first improvised 3-jump
combination (which was not all that pretty), and that second jump combination
in which the middle jump failed and she tacked on the third in desperation.
janet
Kcsummers89
opinion. It is one thing not to like a skater, but to make the rude statements
about Kwan that you did was out of line. Quite frankly, what you said about
her was hateful. Your remarks about her character were obviously meant to be
inflamatory and to upset people. Attacking Kwan on a personal level because
your favorite did not win doesn't speak very highly of you. So, instead of
changing people's opinions of Michelle, you only set yourself up to be viewed
as a rude, arrogant troll.
Frances
PAULETTEB
>like someone is nuts. When I start to note SCRIPTURES, then you think
>that I must be nuts. I have not said anything hateful, just the truth on
>here.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Your so called quote from Jesus does not appear in any Bible I have seen.
Concerning judgment, the one I remember is "Remove the log from your own eye
before you remove a speck from your brother's eye." Take that one to the bank,
hon. You need it.
Paulette
DASBABY932
error **
Geez. make that "is the winning margin". Drop the error, in both respects.
DASBABY932
No, you have expressed your opinion, and that and truth are not synonymous.
DASBABY932
control" and "not quite *on*" was as a result of her first improvised 3-jump
combination (which was not all that pretty<<
Okay, since pretty is as pretty does, why was it not as impressive as it
*could* have been? Did it not get enough ice coverage? Was it the lack of
flow out in the final landing? I thought it sort of made a j shape at the end
- the "2" kind of turned in on itself. Also it seemed a little muscled. In
any event, even if she hadn't done the second sloppy combo, I would be
distressed if the first had provided the winning margin, because to me if
something impressive like that is the winning margin of error over a complete
skate like Kwan's, the impressive move should be first rate, not just gutted
out and landed standing still. What was it that wasn't first rate? Why wasn't
it pretty?
janet swan hill
>Okay, since pretty is as pretty does, why was it not as impressive as it
>*could* have been? Did it not get enough ice coverage? Was it the lack of
>flow out in the final landing? I thought it sort of made a j shape at the
>end
>- the "2" kind of turned in on itself. Also it seemed a little muscled.
You're good at this stuff. Yes, the reason I called it "not all that pretty"
is a combination of those things, but mainly it was that the landing of the
first jump wasn't on a flowing edge -- it was curving sharply (from
uncontrolled rotation), and caused the second jump to have some uncontrolled
rotation going in, and ditto for the third. I've already said that I wondered
if she put the 2T on at the end to "rescue" a flawed combination. (It's not
necessarily the case -- she could have been planning it all along). But if
you trace the path of the entire combination, it "curved in on itself" in the
curvy J you mentioned.
A jump is supposed to exit on the same circle that it started from, and
continue the same arc afterward. The same 3-jump combination done with full
control would have covered a lot more ice, because it would have flowed on
across the ice in a broad curve instead of making a little snail-shaped path.
janet
CurtAdams
(re Slute 3S/3L/2T)
>What was it that wasn't first rate? Why wasn't it pretty?
She missed her opening combo - supposed to be 3Z/3L;
only a 3Z (but a good one). The commentators said she
landed too far back on the heel; to me it just seemed that
by the time she had the rotation adequately checked her
free foot was too far back for the loop. She might have
been stewing over how to compensate for that and not
fully focused on the combo at hand.
Does anybody else think Slute is just a little too ambitious
in her combo attempts? She can 3Z/2L consistently; I
bet she could 3Z/3T consistently; but she tries 3Z/3L,
and manages only occaisionally. Slute could tone down
the difficulty of her combos just a smidgeon and still
have the most difficult programs jump-wise. If her
consistency and flow improved, I think she'd score better.
(But I *do* appreciate people trying combos that don't
end in toe loops! Vive la difference!)
Michelle, by contrast, does *not* push the envelope
of what she can do in her programs. She's got a 3S/3L now;
she was once rumored to have a 3X; but her programs include
only items she's very comfortable with. On the whole,
I think Michelle's strategy works better; the consistency
and command possible when she's not *quite* at her limit
gives her the presentation advantage that usually wins
competitions for her.
Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com)
"It is better to be wrong than to be vague" - Freeman Dyson
Dave Amorde
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> I would like to think that
> Kwan would still have won, because of the overall quality of her entire
> performance, and because Slutskaya looked a little disorganized throughout
the
> program. But it's impossible to tell how much of this look of "not quite
in
> control" and "not quite *on*" was as a result of her first improvised
3-jump
> combination (which was not all that pretty), and that second jump
combination
> in which the middle jump failed and she tacked on the third in
desperation.
>
My assessment, based solely on the quality of Slutskya's SP performance, is
that she certainly *could* have won. I'll agree that Irina appeared to spend
the majority of her FS performance in "damage control" mode, which seriously
impacted her presentation.
-Dave-
Shillelagh
(and I snipped merrily along)
And Ellen wrote:
> Jeez, just when I thought I'd never have to activate my killfile feature
> again :-)
>
> Ellen
Ellen - it's right after women's comp at Worlds - of course you'll need your
killfile..... just "Plonk" the little bastards.
Shelagh
Shillelagh
"Locutus of Borg" <pegl...@aol.compurgator> wrote in message
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>
> You know, I thought for sure I wouldn't see any "Irina was robbed"
threads.
> Wrong again. :^(
>
> Peg
Oh Peg, dear, you must be joking, right?? And you know, the ladies comp
always brings out the trolls.
Shelagh
Shillelagh
"Rick" <pl1_alp...@juNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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What Carla said WAS worth repeating (and reading with comprehension) try it
sometime.
"Please, jason. Return to Earth, soon. " That was all she said. She said
nothing about Kwan
Shelagh
Rick
>
>"Rick" <pl1_alp...@juNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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>> Cheryl or Jason or Ricky or some other troll spewed in message
>> <23305-3A...@storefull-224.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>> [snip everything not worth repeating]
>>
>> Go away. Ignore Carla. Try Mars or Jupiter.
>>
>> - Rick (not Ricky)
>
>What Carla said WAS worth repeating (and reading with comprehension) try
it
>sometime.
Well, lets not get snippy now! It appears you have misread my post. If you
look properly at the attributions, you'll see that the "not worth repeating"
refers to what was said by the Jason, NOT Carla. Please note the "Cheryl or
Jason or Ricky or some other troll spewed..."
>"Please, jason. Return to Earth, soon. " That was all she said. She said
>nothing about Kwan
My reference to Carla was merely a whimsical suggestion that rssif would be
better served if the Jason were to take up residence on another planet. Of
course that is based on the possibly unfounded assumption that the internet
is not available there. If he were to post in a civilized manner, he would
be welcome to participate in rssif no matter which planet he chooses.
- Rick
Jocelyn
>only a 3Z (but a good one). The commentators said she
>landed too far back on the heel; to me it just seemed that
>by the time she had the rotation adequately checked her
>free foot was too far back for the loop.
Same difference. Slutskaya landed too far back on her heel to check the
rotation without the aid of her free leg, so she had to check out and abort the
loop. To do a loop as the second jump, you need to land forward THEN rock back
to the heel to take off.
Jocelyn