Too Much Emphasis on Quad?
TeresaM01
emphasis is being put on the quad jump (no one performed a clean one).
I've never been a fan of the quad because I'd rather see quality
skating instead of a "jump-fest". I get more excited watching Todd
Elderege spin than watching Yagudin perform a quad. Also, I think the
quad is going to be a double-edged sword for many skaters. I still
believe (or at least hope) that in the end, quality will win out over
quantity. Let's hope the judges see it that way too! What do you
think?
Teresa
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Stuart
TeresaM01 wrote in message ...
>After watching Skate Canada yesterday, I have to wonder if too much
>emphasis is being put on the quad jump (no one performed a clean one).
>I've never been a fan of the quad because I'd rather see quality
>skating instead of a "jump-fest".
The same thing was said when triples were introduced. It'll never end. I
wonder what people will say when women start trying to do them, or men start
trying to do 5's (sorry too lazy and dumb to know the word for that is, and
I don't mean anything sexist by it). Also, when you start talking like that,
why does anything count? This is not figure skating - figure eights, with
the little twist at the top and bottom of the loops, one foot, and one foot
only, on the ice at all time, that is figure skating - things will always
change, they always have and always will, and from history we can see that
the people that experience something new for the first time are always the
first to try and destroy, or refute, it. it's a natural progression of a
sport - you ever seen old tennis matches? 98mph serves?
Think of it this way, what will you grandkids be saying about octs. (8)
revolutions?
MorryS
>believe (or at least hope) that in the end, quality will win out over
>quantity. Let's hope the judges see it that way too! What do you
>think?
>
>Teresa
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There will be more emphasis on quads not less. The top 3 men at this season's
Worlds and maybe further down will have quads. The Mens' winner at the next
Olympics will need a quad combination to win. It is an athletic sport and will
continue to be so. All internatinal judges schools spend quite some time on
the subject of evaluating quads. As a result of these schools, it will take
"quality quads" to win after this season.
Morry - just my opinion after following the international scene for several
years.
BaleofAKS
I'd actually watch footage of the '81 Wimbledon tiebreaker than any live match
today. The points are too short (except on clay) -- give me the brilliant
angles of a John McEnroe any day of the week! :-)
I feel the same way (right now) about quads. Jumps are wonderful, but until
someone pulls the entire package together, I won't get too excited. I want to
see a clean program with interesting connecting moves, deep edging and fast
spins, not a splat fest. Like Morry said, the sport is progressing (nothing
wrong with that), but I get more joy out of watching a tape of John Curry's '76
Olympic LP than watching Yags' "Broken Arrow".
Just my not so humble opinion,
LB
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TeresaM01
someone pulls the entire package together, I won't get too excited. I
want to
see a clean program with interesting connecting moves, deep edging and
fast
spins, not a splat fest. Like Morry said, the sport is progressing
(nothing
wrong with that), but I get more joy out of watching a tape of John
Curry's '76
Olympic LP than watching Yags' "Broken Arrow".<<
I totally agree with you. Also, I think it's okay for the sport to
progress (as Morry said), but don't you think that as the number of
revolutions increase, the less consistent the jumps will be??
Prodigion
>
>... I think it's okay for the sport to
> progress (as Morry said), but don't you think that as the number of
> revolutions increase, the less consistent the jumps will be??
>
That has been the historical pattern, but it doesn't have to be that
way. I suspect that Todd E. is an example of a skater who won't whip out
the quad until he is damn good and ready - if ever. Still, even without
the quad, falls are a part of the sport. It's no different than striking
out in baseball, or dropping a pass in football. Nobody's perfect.
-Dave-
Stuart
TeresaM01 wrote in message ...
until
>someone pulls the entire package together, I won't get too excited. I
>want to
>see a clean program with interesting connecting moves, deep edging and
>fast
>spins, not a splat fest.
What about Timothy Goebel? :)
IceSk8ie
What about Tim Goebel? :o) Besides that fact that he is an excellent jumper,
there's not much else there. Somebody really needs to work with him on his
artistry, and quick.
Smallovian Insider
(IceSk8ie) writes:
>What about Tim Goebel? :o) Besides that fact that he is an excellent jumper,
>there's not much else there. Somebody really needs to work with him on his
>artistry, and quick.
He's working on it. Did you read the articles in the Cleveland Plain Dealer
during Skate America?
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I have a question. Why is it that men can
complete a three rotation on axels, where the
women can't? Women skaters look so
light weight wise, that you would think
they could do these..less to get up in
the air
Mary W
Isiafs5
>I have a question. Why is it that men can
>complete a three rotation on axels, where the
>women can't?
1. Good question.
2. Actually some women can.
3. There certainly are many more female skaters than men thus a much wider pool
of talent.
4. My guess has to do with gender muscle percentages.
Sling Skate
Johnny Dollar
muscle mass.
Why can women be so much more graceful than men?
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Roaz
> Like Morry said, the sport is progressing (nothing
>wrong with that), but I get more joy out of watching a tape of John Curry's
>'76
>Olympic LP than watching Yags' "Broken Arrow".
I just hope the sport isn't progressing toward rampant groin pulls. It's fine
by me if they do four rotations but maybe they should do fewer jumps per
program. I'd rather see the skaters have long careers than see them burn the
candle at both ends.
DesertRoaz [movie page: www.expage.com/page/desertroaz]
Tatiana on the podium 2000! Rah!
Doc Sixgun
> It's fine
>by me if they do four rotations but maybe they should do fewer jumps per
>program.
Gotta either have a rules change or a change in how judges judge.
Maybe ISU ought to migrate in the direction of the pro ranks. I mean,
these people are half-pro already. Maybe they need to make
presentation even stronger.
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Isiafs5
>Why can women be so much more graceful than men?
>
Stereotype. I consider Michael Jordan as darn graceful. I have seen plenty of
female skaters at the local rink that lack grace on the ice or in conversation
for that matter.
Sling Skate
Doc Sixgun
>Stereotype. I consider Michael Jordan as darn graceful. I have seen plenty of
>female skaters at the local rink that lack grace on the ice or in conversation
>for that matter.
All distributions overlap to some degree. If scientists had to work
with mutually exclusive distirubutions, few if any generalizations
would be possible. So, I was talking about normal types of
statements, not the purity that you seem to be demanding. And in a
normal mode of speech, grace, especially the kind involved in dance,
comes more easily to women as a sex than to men.
My question, by the way, was mostly rhetorical. Someone asked why
women had trouble with a triple axel. I thought it was humorously
obvious, and I asked my question in hopes that at least the perceptive
would get the point.
Of course, I should have known SOMEONE would strike like a nervous
rattler at it. Such is the world.
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Isiafs5
Boy, are you dumb! Obviously my answer was rhetorical, too. Did I say dumb,
sorry, I meant damn pretentious and dumb.
Sling Skate
Doc Sixgun
>Boy, are you dumb! Obviously my answer was rhetorical, too. Did I say dumb,
>sorry, I meant damn pretentious and dumb.
Sure got your money's worth at charm school, didn't you?
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HILL JANET SWAN
>
>I have a question. Why is it that men can
>complete a three rotation on axels, where the
>light weight wise, that you would think
>they could do these..less to get up in
>the air
(Triple axels are three and a half rotations)
It's mainly a question of strength. It takes a great deal of upper body
strength to do an axel, and men typically have greater upper body strength
tham women.
Additionally, women's figures are less easy to rotate than men's (hips and
bust make rotation more difficult).
janet
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Isiafs5
>It's mainly a question of strength. It takes a great deal of upper body
>strength to do an axel, and men typically have greater upper body strength
>tham women.
For the wrap?
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